Good God, this thread was a dumpster fire. Too many bad faith arguments and terrible posts to address meaningfully. What's worse is that we've seemed to lose sight of what this thread was about. Also, LOL at the passive aggressive dumb votes from the usual suspects.
Not interested arguing about Nazi Germany because that history is entirely peripheral to the discussion at hand. For numerous reasons, the spectre of Aktion T4 and the Holocaust will continue to be cited to suppress any/all collective action among Nationalists just like Segregation and Apartheid are cited to suppress pro-White movements. I recall
@Null once suggesting that he couldn't think of anything beyond outright Fascism to stop the demographic shift, but to me, White people need to start feeling much less comfortable and get hungrier. People can be conditioned to accept the worst possible circumstances so long as they can go home sated and paid. Once those creature comforts stop, Whitey will start paying attention to his demographic displacement.
No one's going to argue that Charlottesville was the moment the alt-right self-immolated, but let's not pretend the aggressive deplatforming and demonetization from social media and financial institutions along with the ceaseless demonization from the media didn't contribute to their downfall. It also didn't help that the alt-right quickly started infighting and losing sight of the issues at hand, hence the protracted feud between The Daily Stormer and TheRightStuff plus all the other drama from lesser known personalities not worth mentioning.
Never read a word of Vox Day's content nor am I interested in anything he's written. He strikes me as a mildly clever doof who occasionally gets things right.
As much as I disagree with
@Doctor Placebo 's premise that Conservatism, Inc. (ie: Neoconservatism and Buckleyite "Conservatism") does more to conserve American values (they don't, and Pat Buchanan, Paul Gottfried or Ron Paul could tell you in better terms than I can), he's right on the money when he states that the alt-right vastly overestimated their cultural clout. Comedy is an important weapon for winning hearts and minds, but outmeming the left doesn't translate to actualizing longterm political goals. Big tent politics always degenerates overtime, and having a common enemy isn't enough to sustain a movement. In the end, you're going to need to come up with solutions to complicated problems nationally and internationally. I have yet to see anyone in fringe politics, be they from the left or right, attempt to do so.
As to why Trump won 2016,
@Mike "Bubbles" Smith had a
great post here, but I would add that Trump tapped into Conservatism's deep-seated ethnocentrism. "Build the wall" were the three magic words that won over millions. Even the most "unracist" Republican deep in his heart knows that he can trust a natural born American more than an immigrant no matter how hard he repeats popular American platitudes.
Also, I don't know anyone except the most adamant of shitlibs who buys the claim that Obama was the Deporter in Chief. Not only did that statistic include those turned away at the border, imagine the outrage from the Hispanic voting base if that were remotely true.
In any case, I don't see the right winning any cultural victories against the left until they start playing dirty. Real dirty. Pretty soon, the Democrats are going to effectively render all right-wing thought irrelevant. Already, young people do not care about free speech. People who snark "Freeze Peach" didn't come out of a vacuum. They were the end result of a long propaganda campaign spanning decades of ideological refinement:
A majority of Americans believe the First Amendment are willing to crack down on free speech, as well as the press, according to a new poll.
freebeacon.com
Despite all the Generation Zyklon memes, I'm extremely skeptical about Zoomers embracing right-wing politics. If anything, they'll be even more left-wing than Millennials, but that remains to be seen. Assuming Trump wins 2020, the President Election of 2024 will be the real test of Zoomer political consciousness because everyone born before November 2006 will be eligible to vote.
No idea why
@Doctor Placebo brought Sargon into this discussion, but apart from his cackhanded attempts to channel Trumpian rhetoric along with his embarrassing history the tabloids exploited, he failed because most of his fanbase probably lives
outside the United Kingdom. His fanbase was built entirely on the culture wars in the Anglosphere, but mostly America. When you're trying to get elected as an MEP, American shitposters won't be there to help you.
1. Alt-right conceptually meant "American conservative without religious baggage" for maybe a week. When the idea had staying power, it was slandered as being purely white nationalist by people like Clinton and immediately aborted before it had a chance to grow. I don't think anyone uses any umbrella term anymore because any named organization just gets called pedophile terrorists now.
At this rate, I'm repeating myself, but the alt-right was a thing long before Hillary Clinton's fateful speech. If you're trying to say that she and the media gave the alt-right legs, then it's hard to argue otherwise. They certainly got the exposure they'd been praying for. But to claim that the alt-right didn't exist prior to that speech simply isn't true.
The alt-right has always existed in varying segments for decades and you also had the Paleoconservative movement around Pat Buchanan. Richard Spencer was a protege of both Pat Buchanan and Taki Theodoracopulos who ran The American Conservative. Jared Taylor's American Renaissance started publishing back in the '90s.
2010 was the year all these disparate elements coalesced into an identifiable movement. Under the Obama years, Youth for Western Civilization actively tried recruiting college students into the cause across the country as well as White Students Union at Towson University. The Ron Paul movement was also home to lots of people who are now part of the alt-right. In fact, a huge swath of the alt-right used to identify as Libertarian because powerleveling was looked down upon even if they felt free markets and brown people don't mix.
You mean the man so utterly incompetent that he threw out his civil judge because he thought he was a kike only to find out the new judge was a nig, and who openly admitted that he instructed members of his organization to carry out attacks on minorities while on trial for inciting members of his organization to carry out attacks on minorities? I know that you think minorities shouldn't have rights, but trying to ignore the incitement clause is a bitch move.
2. He was "targeted" because he explicitly said "Go out and kill non-whites in the name of the White Race", and then the people he said this to went out and killed a black man explicitly for racial reasons, in their own words. I know that you think there is absolutely nothing wrong with this and that the people who did it should be given a parade, but the idea that murder is wrong is a foundational part of civilization.
Tom Metzger certainly was unfit to handle his case independently, but according to him,
no lawyer would ever take his case without six figures upfront. It's rather hard to get legal counsel when you're going up against the SPLC.
Re: "Go out and kill non-whites..." Once you read the whole story, it becomes increasingly obvious Dave Mazzella said whatever he could to save his own skin per the plea deal. Whether or not he lied under oath is up to you to decide:
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2014/11/1998_story_legacy_of_a_hate_cr.html
https://www.wweek.com/portland/article-2435-skinhead-revisited.html
I would strongly suggest reading "A Hundred Little Hitlers" by Elinor Langer. As far as I know, that author is not involved in right-wing politics.
The killing was from a street fight rather than a carefully premeditated, racially motivated attack that many assume it was. The involved skinheads initially denied that the killing was racially motivated. However, the prosecution consulted the SPLC and skinheads were given a plea bargain deal that included the stated admission of a racial motivation. This admission was then used by the SPLC in their lawsuit against Metzger. The star witness for the prosecution was Dave Mazzella who had contacts with both Tom and John Metzger, neither of who lived in Portland.
Mazzella had not moved to Portland to organize skinheads as alleged by the SPLC and actually had little influence among skinheads. A crucial meeting held just hours before the killing focused more on a desire for beer and girlfriends than the need to attack Blacks. The trial was mishandled because Metzger insisted on representing himself and there was no effective cross-examination of any of the SPLC's witnesses.
thezman.com
