Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

I just want to set the record straight re: Tim Lim and then I'll let it go. His victim narrative is irritating.
Not to hurt your feelings but your victim narrative is also annoying. If that has you so upset you need bigger problems. I get you and tim will never be side by side besties but it’s gotten old .
Edit Nasser you didnt
Leave you where kinda kicked to the curb. So we get it you’re back where you belong. You don’t need to tell us every few minutes.
 
Hey all. Fat and stuffed with turkey, I was spurred to actually take a dive into 'antiCG'.

His excellence, Pope Worm streamed yesterday promoting his new campaign, Monster Hunt!


Horrifyingly, after a 59 minute sermon, the campaign gained a whopping two thousand raising from 6,975 dollars to a grand total of 8,830 dollars. (wahwah). 'Highlights' of the stream.

-Apostles Mike Baron, Ryan Haack, and Mike S. Miller all appeared for the benidiction.

-Ryan, for those like me who had no clue, Is another wannabe. He is putting out a second book after his first one raised six grand off of 213 backers. His Wormship reveals that he likes that this comic doesn't have allot of blood and gore. After this most benevolent of pushes? 3,887 dollars.


-There's this weird thing with a toy unicorn that's annoying as fuck.

-Mike Miller reveals that he put up a Kickstarter. ($604!)

-at 51:00 mark the stream turns to the interesting. Pope Worm brings up the Orange Bitch . Apostle Mike calls Liam a lolcow, describes what got him mad, and calls him an SJW. But hark, his reverence brings up empathy. He floats that Liam is getting a taste of what Mike and others have tasted for the last two years. After all, is not the enemy of the Frog the ally of the Worm? Apostle Mike then adopts this what the hell look. Mike goes on to detail Liam's various sins. Pope Worm, never one to miss a chance to pontificate, holds out. Mockery and harassment does not belong in comics. Pope Worm is very forgiving of others wronging other people. Empathy is for everyone, except for Frog.

-Pope Worm ends by extending a hand to Liam welcoming aboard. Apostle Mike isn't willing to let it go, but Pope Worm doesn't like it. How dare people say Liam beats his mom and really, Nassar should know better. With that the stream ends with a miserable Apostle and a smug Pope Worm.
 
If other kiwi's wish to alog Ethan, so be it but at least make the posts interesting. Provide screenshots of tweets, archives of posts, timestamped livestreams, clips of videos or something of substance to explain why you feel the way you do,

I would, but I already have a day job, and rely on others to carry out these valuable tasks and services.

It seems like there is a demand for advice videos for indie self-starters in comics, both in art and writing. This would seem like the ideal topic for Comicsgate in its current phase, having evolved from an establishment-criticism focus to one of creator-owned self-publishing.

But looking at Comicsgate content in general, there seems to be a problem in the supply that possibly arises from a focus on streaming over making shorter, digestible, edited videos.

Even mentioning the legend Marshall Vandruff and wunderkind Stan Prokopenko in the same breath as comicsgate feels odd. Two men with an enormous wealth of expertise and teaching experience under their belts, both free from bitter public obsessions and glaring character defects. How does comicsgate match up to that? How can it? A thing born of political and idealogical bile and hectoring, transformed into a very vague publishing label that purports to be about creating comics for customers, but remains mired in internet drama, genuinely shocking infighting, and sneering at tweets from individuals in what remains of the old comic industry.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that moving in a more instructional direction would be a good thing. Anything to get away from the feeling like we're keeping up with the latest spats from Mad Max's schoolyard. Even I feel a twinge of sympathy for the frog if he looks upon his works and despairs, and wants to shift to something more legitimate.
I just don't know if comicsgate, as a whole, can manage it. Those who can, do; those who can't, teach. How many in comicsgate are capable of either? In the spirit, if not the fact, of providing something of substance ('Substance'. Fuck me. Lolcows be serious bizness.) it looks like only Ethan and Jon Malin - possibly also Sweetcast - have any sustained success. All other CG creators seem to fail to fund, fail to fulfil, fulfil but with awful products (TUG, WCBS), or fall away with subsequent crowdfunders. (YaBoi, Nasser) Is that accurate?
So what do these people have to teach anyone about making comics, except how not to do it? Even the Little Nero at the top of the pile struggles to write, draw and distribute two floppy comics in what, two, three, four years?

Ethan and Jon's success doesn't seem to be very replicable, and may not be, if it depends mostly on their very personal styles of capering and bickering on youtube, rather than the quality of their books. Given that, how does the demand for advice videos stack up against the gaunt hunger for soap opera antics and slapfight rubbernecking?
Ethan is making great gains in his channel by falling back on what made him blow up in the first place: Star Wars videos. You'll have to forgive me if I didn't rush to check them out and timestamp every remark - are they in the same style and tone as his old rants? How many action figures has he mutilated so far? How does any of it relate to robotic frog books? Does anyone care as long as he calls Kathleen Kennedy names? Or has the tide turned to simping for Gina Carano?

All of it, origins, performance, focus, it all feels too tainted.

Let's narrow the focus to my favourite topic du jour.

I definitely like this direction, at some point the Liam and Donal milk will run dry and you'll need something to fall back on.

Replace 'Liam and Donal' with 'comicsgate' and I'm there.

I want to see you work on your raw natural storytelling ability, because right now I would say that Big Daddy, who you clowned and roasted, is a better horror storyteller than you. He has actually scared me just from talking on his streams, whereas you have never scared me even a tiny bit. And you're the one selling a horror comic!

That's all you need to be able to do. Can you make me shit my pants, either through laughter or fear? That's the main thing we all want deep down.

Those who can't etc. etc.

I can get behind this. Nasser, I bought one of your books. I couldn't finish it. The most horrific aspect was how quickly it threatened to plunge me into a coma. You've had one successfully fulfilled comic, and I've listened to you beg your youtube audience to buy your books so that Amazon will throw you another few cents this month.
I'll use up my one optimism coupon for this month: I think you can improve and be a good writer. I think the comicsgate subsidy and certain kiwis (not Pilule) giving you pointers to be a better dancing poodle on youtube, will stunt that growth. Superchats for your hot takes will not retroactively make Eternity or Duality much better. But all the same, I see you are now considering posting videos instructing viewers about 'craft'. It's - What - I - Did you become some in-demand literary superstar when I wasn't looking? Straight away, Pilule, otherwise cheerleading, is pulling you up on your understanding of basic scene-setting. Don't you think you should learn how to walk before you can run?

I know how I sound. Tell me to fuck off if you think I'm trying to browbeat you 'for your own good'. I'm not your dad. But sometimes taking in comicsgate feels like beating your head against a wall, and sometimes yours feels like the densest brick in it.
 
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I bought one of your books. I couldn't finish it.
I think I've gotten much better since I published those.
You've had one successfully fulfilled comic
Two
I think you can improve and be a good writer.
Thank you
Did you become some literary superstar when I wasn't looking?
No, but I've had people from 2018 to now always ask me for my opinions on craft and what tips I have. You don't have to be a "superstar" to give advice. I could tell somebody what works for me, and they might try it and find it works for them too. Everyone knows something you don't--I think every writer could teach me something, even a bad writer. A bad writer might know something I don't. I don't know. Half our advice is just stuff we've learned from better writers and creators. How many times have I said "Hitchcock said" or something along those lines? A lot.
Tell me to fuck off if you think I'm trying to browbeat you 'for your own good'.
I wouldn't tell that to you or to anyone. This is valid criticism.
 
Does Doug have brain damage?

He is exceedingly tall, so I imagine he's banged his head on high ceilings.

Even mentioning the legend Marshall Vandruff and wunderkind Stan Prokopenko in the same breath as comicsgate feels odd. Two men with an enormous wealth of expertise and teaching experience under their belts, both free from bitter public obsessions and glaring character defects. How does comicsgate match up to that? How can it? A thing born of political and idealogical bile and hectoring, transformed into a very vague publishing label that purports to be about creating comics for customers, but remains mired in internet drama, genuinely shocking infighting, and sneering at tweets from individuals in what remains of the old comic industry.

That's a form of entertainment that some crave. I previously detailed the original model that I've never heard better described than by Jon Malin. You are making fans of you via Youtube and then using that success to attempt to sell them something. The key is the making fans part comes first and its the one that everyone wants to skip.

As to content. People have tried copying the first tubers like comichistorian or whatever for years and failed. That's because those guys already exist and have drowned YT in content. I would caution Nassar and other gators to be original and that whatever original content you produce understand, your audience is going to look like the content.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that moving in a more instructional direction would be a good thing. Anything to get away from the feeling like we're keeping up with the latest spats from Mad Max's schoolyard. Even I feel a twinge of sympathy for the frog if he looks upon his works and despairs, and wants to shift to something more legitimate.
That shits reality television. Its big and its cheap and its resulted in allot of success for the Johnny come lately channels. As far as I'm concerned its all legitimate as long as you remember your goal is to entertain.
I just don't know if comicsgate, as a whole, can manage it. Those who can, do; those who can't, teach. How many in comicsgate are capable of either?
Far fewer. There is a cream of the crop comic talent wise and a cream of the crop tube wise. The Venn diagram where these to meet is the sweet spot.
In the spirit, if not the fact, of providing something of substance ('Substance'. Fuck me. Lolcows be serious bizness.) it looks like only Ethan and Jon Malin - possibly also Sweetcast - have any sustained success. All other CG creators seem to fail to fund, fail to fulfil, fulfil but with awful products (TUG, WCBS), or fall away with subsequent crowdfunders. (YaBoi, Nasser) Is that accurate?
Richard and Ethan's channels at peak were reality tv/entertainment weekly fair. Jon Malin more or less inherited parts of Ethan and Richard's audiences. Those two planted and grew them. Nassar didn't do it right the first time and to be frank, he's not an artistic peak talent. Clint Stoker is someone who did what Nassar should have done first time round. He came in, built a channel with daily content, and has tubed to the CG audience. Stoker hasn't expanded that audience and he's not going to doing what he's doing. But nothing seperates him from Nassar talent wise. If anything Stoker's content is terrible, but he's preaching to the choir.
Ethan is making great gains in his channel by falling back on what made him blow up in the first place: Star Wars videos. You'll have to forgive me if I didn't rush to check them out and timestamp every remark - are they in the same style and tone as his old rants? How many action figures has he mutilated so far? How does any of it relate to robotic frog books? Does anyone care as long as he calls Kathleen Kennedy names? Or has the tide turned to simping for Gina Carano? All of it, origins, performance, focus, it all feels too tainted.
Ethan is the casualist of casual Star Wars fans. He's not going to get the same traction off of the bland, okay to good Mando that he got off of the tire fire that was Last Jedi. But even as fried as Star Wars is, it's fandom is more robust than Comic Books.

My advice to Nassar, don't be PBS. Find the next culture gate, chase the algorithm, and when you've mastered YT, then you sell your stuff.

Or don't. My last bit of advice on this subject having watched hundreds of CGers fail over the last two years to figure out the grift.
 
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-Pope Worm ends by extending a hand to Liam welcoming aboard. Apostle Mike isn't willing to let it go, but Pope Worm doesn't like it. How dare people say Liam beats his mom and really, Nassar should know better. With that the stream ends with a miserable Apostle and a smug Pope Worm.
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Part of me thinks Doug should maybe be warned about the lulzy nature of everyone's favorite ginger koala who fights the crack heads to save all the childrenz.

However, the troll in me wants this to keep going just to see what other hilarious retardation will come out of it, if Doug was being serious about joining forces with the orange doofus.
 
Ethan is the casualist of casual Star Wars fans. He's not going to get the same traction off of the bland, okay to good Mando that he got off of the tire fire that was Last Jedi. But even as fried as Star Wars is, it's fandom is more robust than Comic Books.

My advice to Nassar, don't be PBS. Find the next culture gate, chase the algorithm, and when you've mastered YT, then you sell your stuff.

Or don't. My last bit of advice on this subject having watched hundreds of CGers fail over the last two years to figure out the grift.

It isn't just STAR WARS. It's keeping your ear to the ground for clickbait potential within the largest fandom communities. Videos about celebrities in geek culture always work.

Being a good YouTuber means talking fast, having a pleasing sounding voice, and presenting whatever bullshit is trending on Google in the most lurid and compelling way possible, with an interesting title and a good thumbnail. Zack and I used to talk about it all the time, working on having good radio voices and publishing quick videos with funny titles. We talked about getting to the point as quickly as possible (he forgot that part) while trying to keep viewers hanging on and watching longer.

There is money in this. When I'm properly working my YT channel, making 2 recorded videos per day plus a one hour livestream, I'm earning about $20-30K per month, gaining regular viewers, and growing a potential audience to sell my comics to. It's an engine to market comic books, or whatever merch you're selling, and it actually pays better than my job at DC did.

Most CGers fail because they aren't spending enough time learning how to be entertaining. They use YouTube to socialize and collect odd superchat dollars, without seeking to create content that draws in viewers.

Nasser is young enough to be able to unironically talk about youth culture, and work on a youtube persona. He shouldn't be in such a rush to push IGG campaigns. Make a plan. It's going to be at least a year of hard work, growing your platform before you are going to be able to promote your comic from it.

I don't know how you feel about YellowFlash, but he's figured out how to chase the algorithm and grow a channel. He's a YouTuber first and foremost, and when he decides to launch a comic, it's going to easily raise $200,000 because of all of the timely videos he made about Weeb Wars and Johnny Depp/Amber Heard, or whatever else he's reading into a microphone while sounding disgusted.

Watch these guys and figure it out, Nasser.
 
Even mentioning the legend Marshall Vandruff and wunderkind Stan Prokopenko in the same breath as comicsgate feels odd. Two men with an enormous wealth of expertise and teaching experience under their belts, both free from bitter public obsessions and glaring character defects. How does comicsgate match up to that? How can it? A thing born of political and idealogical bile and hectoring, transformed into a very vague publishing label that purports to be about creating comics for customers, but remains mired in internet drama, genuinely shocking infighting, and sneering at tweets from individuals in what remains of the old comic industry.

I know right! Heh. But in fairness to Comicsgate, or at least one Comicsgater, Dan Fraga definitely knows who Marshall Vandruff is, he brought up his name once. Fraga is rare among Comicsgaters in that he has an insatiable hunger to learn despite having a wealth of experience and expertise under his belt. Art is a martial art to him, which I really like. He knows who Bernard Krigstein is, stuff like that. But setting Comicsgate aside, I still wonder why there isn't more discussion of sequential art on Draftsmen. I might email Marshall and ask him, he's been friendly to me when I emailed him in the past.

Also going back to Fraga, I have to say I am laughing at the pink bunny's current 'hibernation phase' accompanying this latest CG-wide meltdown. He's learning how to hunker down in his bunker - the last few weeks he did one thirty second video, about guacamole, and one stream, where the drama immediately swarmed in, causing him to quickly hop back in his burrow.
 
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Hey all. Fat and stuffed with turkey, I was spurred to actually take a dive into 'antiCG'.

His excellence, Pope Worm streamed yesterday promoting his new campaign, Monster Hunt!


Horrifyingly, after a 59 minute sermon, the campaign gained a whopping two thousand raising from 6,975 dollars to a grand total of 8,830 dollars. (wahwah). 'Highlights' of the stream.

-Apostles Mike Baron, Ryan Haack, and Mike S. Miller all appeared for the benidiction.

-Ryan, for those like me who had no clue, Is another wannabe. He is putting out a second book after his first one raised six grand off of 213 backers. His Wormship reveals that he likes that this comic doesn't have allot of blood and gore. After this most benevolent of pushes? 3,887 dollars.


-There's this weird thing with a toy unicorn that's annoying as fuck.

-Mike Miller reveals that he put up a Kickstarter. ($604!)

-at 51:00 mark the stream turns to the interesting. Pope Worm brings up the Orange Bitch . Apostle Mike calls Liam a lolcow, describes what got him mad, and calls him an SJW. But hark, his reverence brings up empathy. He floats that Liam is getting a taste of what Mike and others have tasted for the last two years. After all, is not the enemy of the Frog the ally of the Worm? Apostle Mike then adopts this what the hell look. Mike goes on to detail Liam's various sins. Pope Worm, never one to miss a chance to pontificate, holds out. Mockery and harassment does not belong in comics. Pope Worm is very forgiving of others wronging other people. Empathy is for everyone, except for Frog.

-Pope Worm ends by extending a hand to Liam welcoming aboard. Apostle Mike isn't willing to let it go, but Pope Worm doesn't like it. How dare people say Liam beats his mom and really, Nassar should know better. With that the stream ends with a miserable Apostle and a smug Pope Worm.
Zippy the Unicorn has got to be the stupidest gimmick ever.

He is exceedingly tall, so I imagine he's banged his head on high ceilings.



That's a form of entertainment that some crave. I previously detailed the original model that I've never heard better described than by Jon Malin. You are making fans of you via Youtube and then using that success to attempt to sell them something. The key is the making fans part comes first and its the one that everyone wants to skip.

As to content. People have tried copying the first tubers like comichistorian or whatever for years and failed. That's because those guys already exist and have drowned YT in content. I would caution Nassar and other gators to be original and that whatever original content you produce understand, your audience is going to look like the content.


That shits reality television. Its big and its cheap and its resulted in allot of success for the Johnny come lately channels. As far as I'm concerned its all legitimate as long as you remember your goal is to entertain.

Far fewer. There is a cream of the crop comic talent wise and a cream of the crop tube wise. The Venn diagram where these to meet is the sweet spot.

Richard and Ethan's channels at peak were reality tv/entertainment weekly fair. Jon Malin more or less inherited parts of Ethan and Richard's audiences. Those two planted and grew them. Nassar didn't do it right the first time and to be frank, he's not an artistic peak talent. Clint Stoker is someone who did what Nassar should have done first time round. He came in, built a channel with daily content, and has tubed to the CG audience. Stoker hasn't expanded that audience and he's not going to doing what he's doing. But nothing seperates him from Nassar talent wise. If anything Stoker's content is terrible, but he's preaching to the choir.

Ethan is the casualist of casual Star Wars fans. He's not going to get the same traction off of the bland, okay to good Mando that he got off of the tire fire that was Last Jedi. But even as fried as Star Wars is, it's fandom is more robust than Comic Books.

My advice to Nassar, don't be PBS. Find the next culture gate, chase the algorithm, and when you've mastered YT, then you sell your stuff.

Or don't. My last bit of advice on this subject having watched hundreds of CGers fail over the last two years to figure out the grift.

I disagree with your opinion on Stoker. While his youtube skills are not much to speak of, he does stay drama free and he has consistently expandEd his costumer base with each campaign he puts out. Which is what really matters when you are in the business of selling books.
 
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Part of me thinks Doug should maybe be warned about the lulzy nature of everyone's favorite ginger koala who fights the crack heads to save all the childrenz.

However, the troll in me wants this to keep going just to see what other hilarious retardation will come out of it, if Doug was being serious about joining forces with the orange doofus.

He knows. He's guested on Oz's show.

It isn't just STAR WARS. It's keeping your ear to the ground for clickbait potential within the largest fandom communities. Videos about celebrities in geek culture always work.
I think that gets the views. But what makes them fans is engagement.
Being a good YouTuber means talking fast, having a pleasing sounding voice, and presenting whatever bullshit is trending on Google in the most lurid and compelling way possible, with an interesting title and a good thumbnail.
I wish he was wrong. But if your building an EW/reality television platform, that's it.

There is money in this. When I'm properly working my YT channel, making 2 recorded videos per day plus a one hour livestream, I'm earning about $20-30K per month, gaining regular viewers, and growing a potential audience to sell my comics to. It's an engine to market comic books, or whatever merch you're selling, and it actually pays better than my job at DC did.
I'd say that's the rarified air if you catch a gate. But there's no reason it can't supplement your income nicely by doing it well.
Most CGers fail because they aren't spending enough time learning how to be entertaining. They use YouTube to socialize and collect odd superchat dollars, without seeking to create content that draws in viewers.
Worse, they are all recycling the same general audiences.
Nasser is young enough to be able to unironically talk about youth culture, and work on a youtube persona.
He's not a hot girl. That's the only time I think age helps.
He shouldn't be in such a rush to push IGG campaigns.
Get out your pen kid, good advice.
Make a plan. It's going to be at least a year of hard work, growing your platform before you are going to be able to promote your comic from it.
Major problem for CG...what year two? Bunch of pros came in and didn't want to bring anybody with them.
I don't know how you feel about YellowFlash, but he's figured out how to chase the algorithm and grow a channel.
He got lucky with Vicgate and is now hustling to maintain that core group of culture wars weebs.

I disagree with your opinion on Stoker. While his youtube skills are not much to speak of, he does stay drama free and he has consistently expandEd his costumer base with each campaign he puts out. Which is what really matters when you are in the business of selling books.

He's expanded his support. It's largely the same CG audience as everyone else.

He's not bringing outsiders to the table. He's not the next level wonder kind. A major reason guys like Tug can hit those big numbers is they have audiences outside of CG into the Weeb crowd. That's what Tug, YF, and others offer. A crowd outside of the comic book buyer core. But those people have to believe what they're buying is more than just a comic book. (Even if it is).
 
I'll be laughing when nasser gets punked by yellow flash again. Shitting up the thread crying about donal but joining cg for money that doesn't exist, Nasser, you already soiled the Well with Cg fans, if you think going back to cg for a quick buck then you're dumb. War Campaign isn't here to buy the highest tiers anymore to pad the numbers like last year.
 
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You tube is also fickle one day you’re on top next day no one knows you’re name. Many that get just a taste think they will keep getting it but people bore. If you get to be like keemstar or James Charles etc then people look to cancel you. It’s not a long term solution. Have it as a side thing not your main job . Build a savings in case.
 
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You tube is also fickle one day you’re on top next day no one knows you’re name. Many that get just a taste think they will keep getting it but people bore. If you get to be like keemstar or James Charles etc then people look to cancel you. It’s not a long term solution. Have it as a side thing not your main job . Build a savings in case.

he’s already had people trying to cancel him for three years now.
 
I don't know how you feel about YellowFlash, but he's figured out how to chase the algorithm and grow a channel. He's a YouTuber first and foremost, and when he decides to launch a comic, it's going to easily raise $200,000 because of all of the timely videos he made about Weeb Wars and Johnny Depp/Amber Heard, or whatever else he's reading into a microphone while sounding disgusted.

Watch these guys and figure it out, Nasser.
Yellowflash is a gayops and clickbait faggot and I can't wait until he gets doxed.
 
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