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Is Mel still camgirling? That’s the last I heard about her, sometime in...early April, maybe? Or has she shifted completely to sfw content?
Yes she is. I still see stuff on my Twitter feed since the guy who runs the Mel Out of Context page (and her PH archives) is Drgnkiller, aka that guy who used to quotemine DSP until he got DMCA'd out of existence on his main account. Now he stopped doing anything related to Phil and is just a Mel simployee.
What's the deal with Silver? She seems the most "normal" of the group, although I'm getting the impression that doesn't mean much when the others have such a reputation.

Melody seems more primed for a downfall than the others. I looked up her debut streams from earlier this year and she seemed somewhat "with it" then, but she sounds way off now. Her brain works like a fucking markov chain.
Silver apparently causes drama outside of her streams. There's enough info in this thread that I can't be bothered to look up, but everything that I see ain't pretty and makes her look like a petty bitch.

I've seen clips of Mel watchalongs and I honestly think she does the camgirl stuff because she doesn't know how pants work. I might be showing my age but apparently Mel's at least 20 so she should 100% know about a lot of the stuff she sees on those streams yet hasn't a fucking clue. I'm not talking about obscure Internet shit that died before she knew how to really use Youtube, but actual pop culture stuff. It still shocks me that she doesn't have a fucking clue who Tim Burton is or what The Nightmare Before Christmas is.

Oh, and to be fair to Coco's singing, she has actually improved a great deal from when she first debuted. It's just that, like, 98% of the time, when she's doing singing streams, she's memeing her tits off and not actually trying. On the very rare occasion she does try, she sounds much better than 9+ months ago.
Some of the stuff she does is really good, like her covers of "You Raise Me Up" or whenever she puts effort into Evanescence still hit hard. The problem is that she's singing in character. Kson's voice is high pitched but not nearly as squeaky as what she puts on for Coco.

I'm honestly hoping that this whole bugmen bullshit blows over in time for their live show. I'd hate to see that ruined; Coco's put in so much goddamn work that she should be up on that stage with the rest of the group.
 
Re: Zentreya and VSW; she made an announcement on twitter a couple days ago that she wasn't leaving, but was passing leadership onto some other streamer with a startlingly similar red-haired-busty-dragon-girl avatar.

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I'm sure the fact the name Cece is so similar to Coco is just a coincidence, but even so, very thunk-provoking.

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I've seen clips of Mel watchalongs and I honestly think she does the camgirl stuff because she doesn't know how pants work. I might be showing my age but apparently Mel's at least 20 so she should 100% know about a lot of the stuff she sees on those streams yet hasn't a fucking clue. I'm not talking about obscure Internet shit that died before she knew how to really use Youtube, but actual pop culture stuff. It still shocks me that she doesn't have a fucking clue who Tim Burton is or what The Nightmare Before Christmas is.
I don't really follow her, but I assumed her cluelessness was just a bit. Her character's supposed to be a computer program that went sentient or some bullshit like that and wouldn't know any pop culture in character.

I could be wrong though and she could've just been living under a rock for 20 years, but somehow I doubt that sort of person would go into that specific line of work.
 
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Re: Zentreya and VSW; she made an announcement on twitter a couple days ago that she wasn't leaving, but was passing leadership onto some other streamer with a startlingly similar red-haired-busty-dragon-girl avatar.

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I'm sure the fact the name Cece is so similar to Coco is just a coincidence, but even so, very thunk-provoking.
Yeah, he's gonna be running it as himself rather than the mute Zen persona. People calling Zen trans I feel are way off base. No, Zen's a dude who just likes playing a woman for the attention.
 
Re: Zentreya and VSW; she made an announcement on twitter a couple days ago that she wasn't leaving, but was passing leadership onto some other streamer with a startlingly similar red-haired-busty-dragon-girl avatar.

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I'm sure the fact the name Cece is so similar to Coco is just a coincidence, but even so, very thunk-provoking.

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I don't really follow her, but I assumed her cluelessness was just a bit. Her character's supposed to be a computer program that went sentient or some bullshit like that and wouldn't know any pop culture in character.

I could be wrong though and she could've just been living under a rock for 20 years, but somehow I doubt that sort of person would go into that specific line of work.
So, after Gura-clones, indies are going to be filled with Coco-clones? What next? Korone-clones? Pekora-clones?
 

Well, she went TMI, and made Pekora uncomfortable.
To be fair that isn't new, a vtuber joining Hololive while being a super fan of an earlier gen. Miko was a huge Sora fan and cried after being able to perform on stage with her idol, and Civia told the story how she is a huge Aqua fan and spent something like half her Hololive audition talking about Aqua.
 
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TheGunRun is Justin, aka the Justin.tv Justin. Co-founder of Twitch.
No. Incorrect.

Justin TV was founded by Justin Kan.

Justin Ignacio was some random guy on the TeamLiquid.net forums that managed to get connections with a lot of the big players in streaming before it got proper big, back when streamers were still using uStream, Livestreamer, etc. and CS viewers were still like "Why would I watch a video when I can pull up HLTV and see whatever perspective I want? This streaming thing for tournaments will go nowhere."

Eventually he started doing video production for some StarCraft online tournaments, and parlayed that into a position at Twitch that even my Google-fu is failing to turn up what his title was, but he did two two things notable:

  1. Was part of the team that headed the re-brand of JustinTV into Twitch
  2. Credits himself as having "Invented" the "IRL Backpack"
    1. In as much as you can "invent" putting a huge external battery, a phone to transmit, and a camera stuffed into a backpack to stream yourself walking down the road, or trolling a restaraunt.
 
From what I remember it was more like she "promised some guy favors if her bought her a plane ticket and then talked her way out of it or threatened him"
Someone earlier brought up that Callie was raped by some manager of hers and then (I think) never backed it up. Soon every EN girl is going to have some sort of weird sexual history based on jokes, rumors, and misinterpreted posts.
- Ina once worked on hypnosis rape hentai.
- Amelia starred in blacked porn.
- Gura is actually famous thot Belle Delphine.
 
It's generally bad to post member only content but I don't think this is that big of a deal
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translation:
Hold my hand when times are hard
And if it makes you feel better
Your support, cheering and kind words
All the love given by everyone
As long as I have that, I am invincible
You don't have to worry about it!
I'm sure we will see each other again soon.
I wont let you down!

With Love,
Kiryu Coco
If you take the first letter of every line, it spells out くそやみそしきが which is a incomplete sentence fragment that means "shitty secret society is...". It's probably just a reference to Hololive (running joke is that she calls it a underground organization) making her work her ass off. Coco has had a habit of working too hard and burning out and needing to take breaks so I don't believe this has anything directly to do with antis. Right now, every holo member is practicing for the upcoming event. From what we heard, the all-day practice sessions so incredibly exhausting that even Korone became delirious from exhaustion after midnight. Considering that 4th gen are the only members to appear in both days, they have double the workload.
 
Some of the stuff she does is really good, like her covers of "You Raise Me Up" or whenever she puts effort into Evanescence still hit hard. The problem is that she's singing in character. Kson's voice is high pitched but not nearly as squeaky as what she puts on for Coco.
I was startled when I heard her do "Top of the World" in a husky country southern accent.
 
Looks like "Froot" aka bsapricot is about to start her own streaming career. Right now the others are just dicking around in Minecraft. I like ironmouse despite her community, which I'll talk about in a moment, but holy shit I got more enjoyment watching a 3 minute clip of Sakura Miko burning shit down with lava buckets than I have in 2 hours of this.

EDIT - gotta say I am digging Froot's accent.

As for ironmouse, I think she is in an unfortunate position that she simply hasn't been in public life enough to know how much things have changed among people in the last decade. People have always been shitty, shady fucks but in the last decade or so it seems this has manifested itself much more prominently and spread far and wide into what were formerly isolated communities. Vtubing is even comparatively new so it surprised me to read up on things and see how quickly some shit began once it drew in more fans outside of random corners of the internet. But she has been fairly limited in her experience to the outside world, I can see where she wouldn't really have the experience to know just how far and wide shitty people have spread around. She may legitimately believe that the people she's chosen for their positions are good people, idk. Or maybe she's shitty too and just gets along with people like Silver because of it. But she seems significantly less cunty than Silver so I doubt that. As for her modstaff they are just randos who were into weebshit in her early days, or in the case of her lead mod roxy, I think she legitimately considers her to be a best friend, and have seen a few instances where roxy was being a bitch and mouse felt the need to explain things in a more calm tone. She talks about calling her at 3 AM sometimes when she's feeling depressed etc so obviously she's not likely to "fire" someone she considers a line of support on a personal level, someone who likely knows personal details about her and is already shown to be vindictive.

A ton of the community surrounding all these girls is horrible though. Mel's has enough channers in it that some of them have a thick enough skin but there are a TON of people in the others that are just thin skinned and hypersensitive and honest to god white knight for people they don't know with fictional avatars. They form their own little cliques and all come off as holier than thou while still being judgmental assholes themselves. Silver's and Mouse's seem to be the worst out of the group, and I don't even bother looking at Zentreya's or Nyanner's.

What's the deal with Silver? She seems the most "normal" of the group, although I'm getting the impression that doesn't mean much when the others have such a reputation.

Melody seems more primed for a downfall than the others. I looked up her debut streams from earlier this year and she seemed somewhat "with it" then, but she sounds way off now. Her brain works like a fucking markov chain.
Silver just really comes off as a bitch. As I said before I'm 90% sure she's the type of girl who was slightly above average social status in high school but still not cool enough to sit with the mean girls, so she played it off with a "hot topic meets spencers gifts" goth aesthetic and played to her cute face and nice "features". She will readily bitch at people during stream for inane things like "backseat gaming" when someone's just making a joke like "lol crash the sub". When mouse got partnered I remember her sperging out momentarily telling people to shut the fuck up about mouse in her stream, etc, that you shouldn't discuss other streamers in her stream even if they're her friends, etc - completely ignoring the fact that half of the people watching her stream had come from the raid that mouse had sent to her just a little while earlier. She knows her community mods are trash but she still enables them and keeps them on, as well as defends their actions.


As far as Mel, sadly I can kinda see that. She has an endearing enough personality but I do have to agree I think she is lacking, shall we say, big brain. She gets confused and panics easily, is socially anxious, and has all the assertiveness of a rock. It took her getting deplatformed from one of her most profitable avenues to get her to even address the Digitrevx mess, despite her having enough proof of his fuckery to show that she owned the copyright and IP after the contract etc. I feel like a point will come where she realizes her success has led to an oversaturated market and she'll exit, but it's hard to tell, she might actually be the cause of the coming vshojo fracture just by her sheer naivete. Her success makes her a central point of relevance among the others because her success directly drew in larger audiences and access for the others in terms of thousands of new subscribers. That's a fairly significant amount of money, plus all the donations and bits, which are largely due to her early day collabs with people like Silver and Ironmouse that shot their audience counts up from numbers of <200 to upwards of 4-6k on average now. But that also makes her the highest standing blade of grass, and you know how that old adage goes. With dramacows and grifters like Silver and Nyanners in the group it's only a matter of time until some issue comes up where they split into fractions that try to pull Mel to one side or the other and she will bury her head in the sand.
 
Gooruh's so bad at games. She's going to be like 0 - 10 by the end of this stream.
 
It's kinda weird that like, what, four other agency members are streaming during Froot's debut. Why would they do that and take viewers away from their fellow VShojo personality? I dunno, it's just....bizarre to me. Also, just for something to look at, here's some of the agency's 'facts,' etc.


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It's kinda weird that like, what, four other agency members are streaming during Froot's debut. Why would they do that and take viewers away from their fellow VShojo personality? I dunno, it's just....bizarre to me. Also, just for something to look at, here's some of the agency's 'facts,' etc.


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They're not streaming while she's streaming lol they streamed the couple hours before her debut and got a bunch of followers online so they could raid Froot. Right now Froot has 13k+ viewers.

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It's kinda weird that like, what, four other agency members are streaming during Froot's debut. Why would they do that and take viewers away from their fellow VShojo personality? I dunno, it's just....bizarre to me. Also, just for something to look at, here's some of the agency's 'facts,' etc.


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The choice of using Twitch really seems to me that they're aiming for mainstream AMERICAN audience, compared to the usual Vtubers audience
 
It's kinda weird that like, what, four other agency members are streaming during Froot's debut. Why would they do that and take viewers away from their fellow VShojo personality? I dunno, it's just....bizarre to me. Also, just for something to look at, here's some of the agency's 'facts,' etc.


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"Founded by Gunrun, founder of Twitch"

So basically his plan for any success in the future when doing fundraising is going to be to never correct someone who says "Yo, he's the Justin from JustinTV/Twitch!"
 
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