Official Election 2020 Doomsday Thread

[Bland Crumbs]

Well the media screaming “concede“ nonstop didn’t help with this election. If they let the audits happen normally I would honestly have thought Biden won flat out. Now I have heavy doubts solely because the media is acting the way they are.

Edit: There is the other stuff as well, but the media are playing the part of the canary in the coal mine.

All they had to do was nothing.

 

[Andrew Neiman]

Meh. The media screaming "concede" is just them being bitter they didn't get a more decisive win. Plus I suspect them being a bit crazy and drinking their own kool aid. They've been throwing out rhetoric for years to portray Trump as literally Hitler, and I suspect many of them privately think that and manage to work themselves up in a bit of a tizzy over dumb shit like Trump answering 'We'll see' to a question asking him to commit to "a peaceful transferal of power after the election". Which as an aside is a rather dumb question as Trump has no real options but a peaceful transfer of power unless you count whining and suing as violence and of course Trump wouldn't commit to not doing those. The question should have been if he'd commit to a quick and orderly transfer of power. Anyways, there's also probably a dash of "make him bend the knee" to it. I suspect in the media's mind, they've called the election so Trump should bend the knee to them and concede. If he waits until the electoral college votes - or even until the electoral votes are formally counted - he's not bending the knee to the media he's bowing to the electoral college. So they're screaming 'concede' in basically a temper tantrum that Trump won't do what they want him to do.

In fairness to the media there are some valid practical aspects that may be of genuine concern. The whole reason we amended the constitution to move inauguration from March to January was so that an incoming president could get on the job quicker in times of trouble, rather than have an outgoing president sitting around for months getting nothing accomplished. To go with that, we've also developed a lot of processes and procedures to get a newly elected president fully up to speed and ready to go as soon as he's inaugurated. Trump's currently gumming up those processes by refusing to concede and holding to a forlorn hope that he can find a way to remain in power. That's probably pissing off more than a few people as well, especially as he's not being particularly graceful in the way he pursues said forlorn hope.

In any case, a sign that there's fraud going on is probably the last thing I'd take the media complaints to indicate.

People want Trump to concede not because they’re bitter, but because they want him to behave like a civilized adult. Needless to say, they’re bound to be disappointed.

 

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People want Trump to concede not because they’re bitter, but because they want him to behave like a civilized adult. Needless to say, they’re bound to be disappointed.

I guess all I can say on that is.. Trump is obviously acting like a fat orange baby, but it's no different from what anyone expected. Is Trump delegitimizing American elections with lies? Sure, but they are already illegitimate because there's no real choice between the two wings of the uniparty. At worst you can say he's delegitimizing the elections 'wrong'.

Honestly, at this point, the left-uniparty operatives and their friends in the media are probably most angry that Trump, through his lies about fraud and recounts, is getting dumb vulnerable conservatives to give money directly to the right-uniparty RNC through his bogus recount donation scam. Trump has spent four years doing nothing for the people who voted for him in 2016 and now he's raising money for the establishment to fuck them over again wow

 

[theshitposter]

978 idiots who predicted trump should get a 'retard' flair

 

[teriyakiburns]

People want Trump to concede not because they’re bitter, but because they want him to behave like a civilized adult. Needless to say, they’re bound to be disappointed.

Concession before the electors meet is a courtesy, nothing more, and a relatively recent tradition as well. Gore didn't conceded until then.

 

[Taco]

Concession before the electors meet is a courtesy, nothing more, and a relatively recent tradition as well. Gore didn't conceded until then.

I don't think you can really compare that to our current situation.

That's barely over 500 votes and the entire race came down to Florida. Trump's closest race he's down over 10,000 votes and he'd need to flip 3-4 states to change the results.

 

[TherapyMan]

Concession before the electors meet is a courtesy, nothing more, and a relatively recent tradition as well. Gore didn't conceded until then.

It is not "relatively recent." It's been a tradition since William Jennings Bryan lost the election to McKinley in 1896. Gore is the exception, not the rule, and that was because the election was actually close. Here's the first filmed concession for the 1940 election where Wilkie lost to FDR. Concessions almost always happened within the first couple days of election day.

 

[Affluent Reptilian]

PA Supreme Court rejected the case as to the defective process by which mail-in voting processes were passed in the state legislature (which to my understanding is probably a legally sound argument) on the basis that the plaintiffs had been too slow in filing, given the legislation had been in place for around a year. Note that there were cases in train challenging the validity of this legislation before the election, but which were dismissed for reasons like 'it's too close to the election'.

 

[Geoff Peterson]

All you commie dicksucking cocksuckers who think Trump's contesting of the election is somehow anti-American make me laugh. There's nothing more American than tearing apart overbearing global empires. A true patriot would recognize when it's time to take the country he loves back behind the shed and put it out of its misery.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

PA Supreme Court rejected the case as to the defective process by which mail-in voting processes were passed in the state legislature (which to my understanding is probably a legally sound argument) on the basis that the plaintiffs had been too slow in filing, given the legislation had been in place for around a year. Note that there were cases in train challenging the validity of this legislation before the election, but which were dismissed for reasons like 'it's too close to the election'.

Corrupt people investigated themselves and found nothing wrong. Imagine my surprise.

 

[treblehunter98]

Corrupt people investigated themselves and found nothing wrong. Imagine my surprise.

It's not like they're looking for voter fraud, the legal team never claimed there was any fraud because they would be perjuring themselves. Instead they're running on the fact that they didn't let GOP watchers close enough, while in PA there's no law on how close should the poll watchers be, there's not even a law that says that they need to have a certain political affiliation.

 

[Affluent Reptilian]

Corrupt people investigated themselves and found nothing wrong. Imagine my surprise.

Wasn't about an investigation. The state constitution only allowed voting for illness or disability. A bill was passed to amend the constitution to allow postal voting. However, changes to the constitution have procedural requirements - something like they have to be passed twice in unamended form over two sessions or something like that. This didn't happen.

 

[teriyakiburns]

It is not "relatively recent." It's been a tradition since William Jennings Bryan lost the election to McKinley in 1896.

130 years is relatively recent by any reasonable measure.

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I don't think you can really compare that to our current situation.

That's barely over 500 votes and the entire race came down to Florida. Trump's closest race he's down over 10,000 votes and he'd need to flip 3-4 states to change the results.

The comparison was only to the fact that he conceded on the 13th of december, after the electors made their decision.

As I said, it's a courtesy to concede before that point. I don't see why you'd expect Donald Trump, of all people, to extend courtesies to anyone, let alone to the people who spent the entirety of his term calling him a fascist warmonger.

 

[Eris!]

People want Trump to concede not because they’re bitter, but because they want him to behave like a civilized adult. Needless to say, they’re bound to be disappointed.

Civilized adults hand over their civilization to someone who wants to destroy it, out of misplaced loyalty to a shitty system?

 

[TherapyMan]

130 years is relatively recent by any reasonable measure.

You got me. In the history of the entire universe, 130 years is indeed a short amount of time.

 

[Eris!]

You got me. In the history of the entire universe, 130 years is indeed a short amount of time.

He's right. America is a baby nation and nothing America has ever done is a long-standing tradition or ancient by any stretch of the imagination.
A long time begins at 1000 years. The throne of England has stood for a thousand years. American democracy has barely existed for a blink.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

It's not like they're looking for voter fraud, the legal team never claimed there was any fraud because they would be perjuring themselves. Instead they're running on the fact that they didn't let GOP watchers close enough, while in PA there's no law on how close should the poll watchers be, there's not even a law that says that they need to have a certain political affiliation.

Which just frankly tells you how honest the process is.

The rules are bound to be abused. And the courts look at that and says this is fine.

If anything I am laughing at Republicans agreeing to these things in the first place. It's hysterical.

 

[teriyakiburns]

You got me. In the history of the entire universe, 130 years is indeed a short amount of time.

There's no need to be facetious. It's barely 5 generations. My great aunt, god rest her, was alive when people who voted in that election were still working full-time jobs.

In terms of history, it's relatively recent. And this isn't some "oh my country is old and grand, look how smug I am", because my home country didn't legally exist until 1922, even if its people are significantly older.

 

[King's Gambit Accepted]

Wasn't about an investigation. The state constitution only allowed voting for illness or disability. A bill was passed to amend the constitution to allow postal voting. However, changes to the constitution have procedural requirements - something like they have to be passed twice in unamended form over two sessions or something like that. This didn't happen.

Worth noting, the bill was passed with bipartisan support in a GOP majority state legislature. The PA Supreme Court essentially said they waited too long since the law was passed over a year ago, and only after the 2020 primary and general election results were in the candidate they supported lost, and that the remedy they were seeking -- to throw out the entire election -- was extreme and unprecedented.

It could have an effect on future elections in PA though.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

There's no need to be facetious. It's barely 5 generations. My great aunt, god rest her, was alive when people who voted in that election were still working full-time jobs.

In terms of history, it's relatively recent. And this isn't some "oh my country is old and grand, look how smug I am", because my home country didn't legally exist until 1922, even if its people are significantly older.

It’s thirty elections. It’s been a standing tradition for over 30 election cycles and that’s more than 50% of all the American presidential elections ever held. It’s been done since the use of communication methods faster than letter writing and post delivery, i.e. telegraph, became standard and commonplace for relaying important news.