Snowflake shoe0nhead / June Lapine / June La Porta & Armoured Skeptic / Gregory "Greg" Fluhrer - A poor man's Boxxy: rejected by Vaush, disowned by /pol/ for burning coal, sleeps in a dog's bed surrounded by trash, and her ex-boyfriend.

[Pointless Pedant]

Is she ignorant enough to believe that people who "hate the establishment" would sign up for a system of government that takes complete control over the economy and would rapidly clamp down on any rights we still have left? Does she understand that "libs" in the context of the right wing means people on the left, not specifically neo-liberals, and that they definitely hate anyone further left even more? Sounds like your typical ancom delusion that you can somehow seize enough power to absolish the government without first becoming an authoritarian state that will then never be dissolved.

The red-brown alliance is a real thing, or potentially could be. It's basically the entire premise of pan-Arab nationalism. Anarcho-anything is dumb, though.

 

[biscuitscilia]

Is she ignorant enough to believe that people who "hate the establishment" would sign up for a system of government that takes complete control over the economy and would rapidly clamp down on any rights we still have left? Does she understand that "libs" in the context of the right wing means people on the left, not specifically neo-liberals, and that they definitely hate anyone further left even more? Sounds like your typical ancom delusion that you can somehow seize enough power to absolish the government without first becoming an authoritarian state that will then never be dissolved.

A lot of the centrist "libs" are like that, they think they are their own distinct side but then vote for socialist candidates and support socialist personalities. ChrisRayGun is another one who does this as well, but he's not nearly as delusional or obnoxious as Shoe is.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

June seems to be a bit in denial of the positions her new sociopathic friends hold.

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She asks these questions to people ... All the while she voted for Joe Biden.

And she gets assmad when people call her out on her stupidity? Mkay.

 

[Guntkvd]

June seems to be a bit in denial of the positions her new sociopathic friends hold.

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I like how she says woke advertising instead of wokeness. It's the advertising that makes us look bad, just ignore it fellow right-wing paypiggy.

 

[Jack Awful]

June seems to be a bit in denial of the positions her new sociopathic friends hold.

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The continuation of the list that Shoe is leaving out because if the MAGAs saw it, they would lose interest:

[] Think that trans people are valid?
[] Believe all white people are racist and oppress minorities?
[] Want to defund and dismantle the police?
[] Want universal mask mandates?
[] Want to institute socialized medicine?
[] Want free college paid for by the tax payer?
[] Want to ban AR 15s and other "weapons of war"?
[] Want your taxes to go up?

 

[Rekkington]

I like how she says woke advertising instead of wokeness. It's the advertising that makes us look bad, just ignore it fellow right-wing paypiggy.

She hates woke advertising because she thinks fags shouldn't be mainstream which is literally all they've been bitching about for like 50 years. Not only do straight women want to keep gay men as pets, they want them to be their woke shock troops.
But I got news for you June, they're far more comfortable getting fucked in the ass than you seem to think.

 

[bixbycr]

June seems to be a bit in denial of the positions her new sociopathic friends hold.

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What she doesn't get is that this is what MAGAs have been all along. Long before the current idea of MAGA existed. These have been the stances of much of the non-neocon right since at least 2007 (with hating war) and the rest have always been the stances/views of much of the right that is currently "MAGA". It is her that is playing catch up. As is Vaush. This is why we view the two of them as idiots. They're the ones "half way there" and out of their upper middle class suburban-minded ignorance.

It'd be nice to have an honest, civil conversation with shoe on this, but her twitter replies are filled with quick-to-like-her-tweets types who offer mindless one or few worded replies before she mutes conversations. Getting to have a voice chat with her is even less likely. And I wouldn't pay to access her discord but i'm sure she ignores and mutes people on there too, if not moreso.

 

[Hotel in Minsk]

It bothers me that these retards have seriously coopted Alex Jones' style rants about Hillary being a demon as their own. The left can't meme is a real thing. Hearing Alex talk about seeing Hillary's eyes go black all the way back in the '08 primaries was fucking hilarious, and these fags have no problem stealing his essence and posting about how "I think Hillary is a demon is basically my whole personality xD".

It bothers me more than it should and this post reads rather autistic, but it's true. None of these people are actually funny, and their entire speech consists of formerly viral Twitter posts they hope others won't recognize.

 

[Ged!]

What she doesn't get is that this is what MAGAs have been all along. Long before the current idea of MAGA existed. These have been the stances of much of the non-neocon right since at least 2007 (with hating war) and the rest have always been the stances/views of much of the right that is currently "MAGA". It is her that is playing catch up. As is Vaush. This is why we view the two of them as idiots. They're the ones "half way there" and out of their upper middle class suburban-minded ignorance.

It'd be nice to have an honest, civil conversation with shoe on this, but her twitter replies are filled with quick-to-like-her-tweets types who offer mindless one or few worded replies before she mutes conversations. Getting to have a voice chat with her is even less likely. And I wouldn't pay to access her discord but i'm sure she ignores and mutes people on there too, if not moreso.

This is something that is becoming increasingly common among people who, for the sake of convenience, I'll just lump under the term of "dirtbag left". People who supported Bernie, or maybe Tulsi, but don't buy into the social justice dogma all too common on the far left. I think they realize, though perhaps only intuitively, that their movement has largely failed in the wake of the 2020 election. Additionally, they can recognize that some MAGAs and former alt-righters hold economic views that, although maybe not outright socialist, are to the left of the average republican free-market advocate or neoliberal democrat. Thus the dirtbag leftist will position themselves as "one of the good ones" and try to form some loose sort of red-brown alliance (or maybe just convert right-wingers to leftism. Whichever).

This isn't an awful strategy, but it is built on a deception. The dirtbag leftist is painting the picture of a left-wing reminiscent of old-school union dems. While union dems certainly still exist, especially in the rust belt, they are of declining relevance in the DNC, which has been fractured between neoliberals, union dems, and leftists who adhere more to intersectionalism (see also: woke). If the dems were still significantly pro-union and hadn't leaned into far-left social politics, a red-brown alliance would be perfect right now. Instead, any dirtbag leftist who wants to win over MAGAs and other assorted right-wingers are going to have to spend most of their time chasing away and/or covering for insane social justice possessed woke leftists.

 

[hundredpercent]

This is something that is becoming increasingly common among people who, for the sake of convenience, I'll just lump under the term of "dirtbag left". People who supported Bernie, or maybe Tulsi, but don't buy into the social justice dogma all too common on the far left. I think they realize, though perhaps only intuitively, that their movement has largely failed in the wake of the 2020 election. Additionally, they can recognize that some MAGAs and former alt-righters hold economic views that, although maybe not outright socialist, are to the left of the average republican free-market advocate or neoliberal democrat. Thus the dirtbag leftist will position themselves as "one of the good ones" and try to form some loose sort of red-brown alliance (or maybe just convert right-wingers to leftism. Whichever).

This isn't an awful strategy, but it is built on a deception. The dirtbag leftist is painting the picture of a left-wing reminiscent of old-school union dems. While union dems certainly still exist, especially in the rust belt, they are of declining relevance in the DNC, which has been fractured between neoliberals, union dems, and leftists who adhere more to intersectionalism (see also: woke). If the dems were still significantly pro-union and hadn't leaned into far-left social politics, a red-brown alliance would be perfect right now. Instead, any dirtbag leftist who wants to win over MAGAs and other assorted right-wingers are going to have to spend most of their time chasing away and/or covering for insane social justice possessed woke leftists.

Not even the dirtbag left is reminiscent of the old left. See:
* Vaush opposing worker's rights because it hurts woke corporations, when the left are "on the cusp of cultural hegemony"
* Vaush opposing Trump withdrawing troops from Syria
* Vaush opposing free speech because it hurts leftists

As for shoe0nhead, her entire grift is to go hard on the uncontroversial leftist talking points (NSA bad, foreign wars bad, megacorporations evil), present this as controversial, and then avoid any actually controversial topics and claim she's "converting right-wingers".

It's true she's watched by rightists, but this is because she very deliberately avoids challenging any of their views.

 

[Ged!]

Not even the dirtbag left is reminiscent of the old left. See:
* Vaush opposing worker's rights because it hurts woke corporations, when the left are "on the cusp of cultural hegemony"
* Vaush opposing Trump withdrawing troops from Syria
* Vaush opposing free speech because it hurts leftists

To be honest I would consider Vaush more of a (potentially unwitting) neoliberal shill than a dirtbag leftist. It's amazing how many of his views are exactly in line with neoliberal dogma.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

To be honest I would consider Vaush more of a (potentially unwitting) neoliberal shill than a dirtbag leftist. It's amazing how many of his views are exactly in line with neoliberal dogma.

I think you can chalk some of that up to him being trained on the Destiny school of thought

 

[hundredpercent]

To be honest I would consider Vaush more of a (potentially unwitting) neoliberal shill than a dirtbag leftist. It's amazing how many of his views are exactly in line with neoliberal dogma.

Well, it's just a rebrand of (neoliberal) leftism to appeal to the younger people. Compare and contrast to Contrapoints, who's actually concerned about not just being a 'hip and edgy' version of centrism.

I think you can chalk some of that up to him being trained on the Destiny school of thought

Destiny seems comparatively honest, though, and like he actually has principles, to the point where it almost got him deplatformed.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

Destiny seems comparatively honest, though, and like he actually has principles, to the point where it almost got him deplatformed.

I don't think 'honest' is the right word, but yes he is way more consistent than Vaush

 

[Jack Awful]

Shoe and co's strategy is interesting.

Instead of pushing people left by guilting and shaming them into adopting labels and ideologies (I.E. the recent push that you're a racist if you aren't an "anti-racist", which just so happens to mean you do and say exactly what the left tells you to, and if you disagree you are a Nazi who should be cancelled), they're pushing centrism itself left and trying to present their leftist ideas as common sense and non controversial. "Those wacky SJWs and their awful identity politics! They're so extreme and radical when we, the common folk, just want common sense things like free speech, an end to the pointless wars in the Middle East, instituting democratic socialism, and stopping annoying identity politics! All things that are very centrist and very similar!"

It's fairly clever and far less offputting than the mainstream guilt and shame approach, but the fact they use so much USSR iconography and keep calling each other Comrade (which they do) might fuck them over in the long run. That and the fact they're socialists.

 

[hundredpercent]

Shoe and co's strategy is interesting.

Instead of pushing people left by guilting and shaming them into adopting labels and ideologies (I.E. the recent push that you're a racist if you aren't an "anti-racist", which just so happens to mean you do and say exactly what the left tells you to, and if you disagree you are a Nazi who should be cancelled), they're pushing centrism itself left and trying to present their leftist ideas as common sense and non controversial. "Those wacky SJWs and their awful identity politics! They're so extreme and radical when we, the common folk, just want common sense things like free speech, an end to the pointless wars in the Middle East, instituting democratic socialism, and stopping annoying identity politics! All things that are very centrist and very similar!"

It's fairly clever and far less offputting than the mainstream guilt and shame approach, but the fact they use so much USSR iconography and keep calling each other Comrade (which they do) might fuck them over in the long run. That and the fact they're socialists.

All of those ideas, save for socialism, are uncontroversial among young people.

I don't think shoe has a strategy in that sense. She never pushes any of the controversial elements of the ideology, only the elements that even right-wingers would agree on. There's no way to get "redpilled" from watching her, because you could agree with all of her points and still be a raging White supremacist.

It's fairly obvious her end game is to be an e-girl who gets Patreon bucks from both sides, not to convince anyone into any political ideologies.

 

[Ged!]

I don't think shoe has a strategy in that sense. She never pushes any of the controversial elements of the ideology, only the elements that even right-wingers would agree on. There's no way to get "redpilled" from watching her, because you could agree with all of her points and still be a raging White supremacist.

In regards to politics, shoe does not have any real strategy. I don't believe that shoe has no actual beliefs, but her understanding of politics are very surface-level. She just kind of goes along with whatever the current talking points/memes are, as well as the few mostly uncontroversial positions she does solidly hold (war bad, NSA bad, SJWs bad, etc). She's a far better grifter than political commentator.

 

[Eris!]

Shoe and co's strategy is interesting.

Instead of pushing people left by guilting and shaming them into adopting labels and ideologies (I.E. the recent push that you're a racist if you aren't an "anti-racist", which just so happens to mean you do and say exactly what the left tells you to, and if you disagree you are a Nazi who should be cancelled), they're pushing centrism itself left and trying to present their leftist ideas as common sense and non controversial. "Those wacky SJWs and their awful identity politics! They're so extreme and radical when we, the common folk, just want common sense things like free speech, an end to the pointless wars in the Middle East, instituting democratic socialism, and stopping annoying identity politics! All things that are very centrist and very similar!"

It's fairly clever and far less offputting than the mainstream guilt and shame approach, but the fact they use so much USSR iconography and keep calling each other Comrade (which they do) might fuck them over in the long run. That and the fact they're socialists.

In all games of words, victory is found in framing, not in substance. If you frame something properly you don't have to argue for it.

 

[soryu]

To be honest I would consider Vaush more of a (potentially unwitting) neoliberal shill than a dirtbag leftist. It's amazing how many of his views are exactly in line with neoliberal dogma.

Vaush is definitely a radical liberal. I find it frustrating he claims he is anti IDpol, but uses IDpol to as a "gotcha" during arguments with others.

 

[biscuitscilia]

"Those wacky SJWs and their awful identity politics! They're so extreme and radical when we, the common folk, just want common sense things like free speech, an end to the pointless wars in the Middle East, instituting democratic socialism, and stopping annoying identity politics! All things that are very centrist and very similar!"

It's weird how much they shit on SJWs and Wokeness while also spamming their accounts with Communist symbols and hanging out with hardline socialists. Though, Shoe really isn't politically savvy, or consistent, enough to have a strategy like this. She's clearly just an airhead e-thot trying to get money from the left and the right. That's why she won't just flat out admit to being socialist despite very clearly being one, she doesn't want to scare away the right. Issue is, a lot of right leaning people are not as interested about woke agendas in film, TV and video games as they were in the past (At least from what I've seen) and they're far more critical of leftism in general, not just "wokeness" in media. That market was what Shoe appealed to and it's shrinking.