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It doubled?

So it went from 30 to 60?
From 437 to 914 in about 30 days. In a state with a population of roughly 900k people, pretty well spaced out without crazy lopsided population density like NY or NJ (which have cases clustered in major cities with extremely high population density and massive public transportation infrastructure).Another good comparison would be Wyoming, which has a population around 600k and a population density far lower than SD. Its fatality and case rate are far lower than SD.
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Here’s a list of death per 100k - a standard way of looking at rates without bias. You can find it on the CDC website. SD and ND are totally out of place on this chart. They’re outliers and shouldn’t be at this level of death rate. They’ve got populations lower than everywhere in the top 11 but DC and maybe Rhode Island. But they’ve got the lowest population density of anywhere on this list as well. Let’s look at states with similar population densities and where they are on the list.

New Mexico is a great analog to both the Dakotas, as it has roughly the same population density while having about twice the population. It’s death rate per capita is 72. If you put both the Dakotas together, in population (I’m estimating about 1.8 million total and I’m being generous) and do the death rate per capita you still end up at 104 per 100k. This super Dakota has similar demographics and population akin to Nebraska, which has a death rate per capita of... 51. That’s half. So what’s different between Nebraska, New Mexico, and the Dakotas? Local/State mask mandates, with legal consequences. SD has only a couple mask mandates and one in Brookings has been active since the summer. There has been no state wide restrictions . The rest are very recent and have no legal consequences. Meanwhile, New Mexico has had state wide restrictions for a lot longer, and Nebraska had very successful contact tracing and quarantine measures in place since March, which helped slow or stop the spread. Add in mandatory and legally enforced mask mandates (and other restrictions) in the major cities in Nebraska, and you can see why the rate is much lower.
 
So for all of you claiming covid is no big deal, masks don’t work, etc., take a look at South Dakota. Over the course of a month, the death toll doubled. South Dakota has a population density of about 12 people per square mile. It has a covid death rate higher than Pennsylvania, a state with a population density of roughly 240 people per square mile. This shouldn’t be the case. The only major difference is that PA has instituted restrictions like mask mandates and bar curfews to curb the spread. South Dakota is approaching the per capita death rate of places hit early on in the pandemic, with far higher population densities. Fuck Kristi Noem, useless bitch has killed a thousand people here.
It's the classic freedom vs safety argument. I side with Noem and co. on this one. Give me liberty or give me death and all that. I suppose you don't know your values until they're tested.
 
Mother Nature being Mother Nature, the storm front split around our area, making us barely get anything, and absolutely swamped and blew everywhere else. Nevertheless, a couple of us decided to cancel the house and attempt to find one with a basement to get rid of the 'closed tornado shelters' problem.

On topic, I came through a lot of things days ago:
  • I got screamed by someone who drove by to get a mask... while I'm just walking around the block for exercising. Nobody was around me and I was alone, so wat?
  • I actually did notice that there was no Thanksgiving decorations in stores for weeks, it just jumped straight to Christmas. No turkey discounts either.
  • Stores just don't care if you have a mask or not, nor do people. Even those who have a 'mask required' sign by the door hardly enforce it if you enter without one. Only ones I see that enforce it are malls and big brand stores like Wal-Mart, though I guess it's a sort of requirement for the poor guys hanging by the door to give masks so he won't get fired.
  • On Black Friday or whatever its called, stores completely forgo the 'limit of people in' thing. So I would see a Wal-Mart's parking lot and the inside completely full and brimming with people.
  • Morbidly obese people don't wear masks at that too.... Apprantely, being obese is at the same level of having asthma or something.
 
From 437 to 914 in about 30 days. In a state with a population of roughly 900k people, pretty well spaced out without crazy lopsided population density like NY or NJ (which have cases clustered in major cities with extremely high population density and massive public transportation infrastructure).Another good comparison would be Wyoming, which has a population around 600k and a population density far lower than SD. Its fatality and case rate are far lower than SD.
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Here’s a list of death per 100k - a standard way of looking at rates without bias. You can find it on the CDC website. SD and ND are totally out of place on this chart. They’re outliers and shouldn’t be at this level of death rate. They’ve got populations lower than everywhere in the top 11 but DC and maybe Rhode Island. But they’ve got the lowest population density of anywhere on this list as well. Let’s look at states with similar population densities and where they are on the list.

New Mexico is a great analog to both the Dakotas, as it has roughly the same population density while having about twice the population. It’s death rate per capita is 72. If you put both the Dakotas together, in population (I’m estimating about 1.8 million total and I’m being generous) and do the death rate per capita you still end up at 104 per 100k. This super Dakota has similar demographics and population akin to Nebraska, which has a death rate per capita of... 51. That’s half. So what’s different between Nebraska, New Mexico, and the Dakotas? Local/State mask mandates, with legal consequences. SD has only a couple mask mandates and one in Brookings has been active since the summer. There has been no state wide restrictions . The rest are very recent and have no legal consequences. Meanwhile, New Mexico has had state wide restrictions for a lot longer, and Nebraska had very successful contact tracing and quarantine measures in place since March, which helped slow or stop the spread. Add in mandatory and legally enforced mask mandates (and other restrictions) in the major cities in Nebraska, and you can see why the rate is much lower.
So it went.... from 30.... to 60. Lot of words to agree with my original point. 60 people dying per day in a whole state is not a reason to give up your civil rights unless you are a fucking idiot.
 
From 437 to 914 in about 30 days. In a state with a population of roughly 900k people, pretty well spaced out without crazy lopsided population density like NY or NJ (which have cases clustered in major cities with extremely high population density and massive public transportation infrastructure).Another good comparison would be Wyoming, which has a population around 600k and a population density far lower than SD. Its fatality and case rate are far lower than SD.
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Here’s a list of death per 100k - a standard way of looking at rates without bias. You can find it on the CDC website. SD and ND are totally out of place on this chart. They’re outliers and shouldn’t be at this level of death rate. They’ve got populations lower than everywhere in the top 11 but DC and maybe Rhode Island. But they’ve got the lowest population density of anywhere on this list as well. Let’s look at states with similar population densities and where they are on the list.

New Mexico is a great analog to both the Dakotas, as it has roughly the same population density while having about twice the population. It’s death rate per capita is 72. If you put both the Dakotas together, in population (I’m estimating about 1.8 million total and I’m being generous) and do the death rate per capita you still end up at 104 per 100k. This super Dakota has similar demographics and population akin to Nebraska, which has a death rate per capita of... 51. That’s half. So what’s different between Nebraska, New Mexico, and the Dakotas? Local/State mask mandates, with legal consequences. SD has only a couple mask mandates and one in Brookings has been active since the summer. There has been no state wide restrictions . The rest are very recent and have no legal consequences. Meanwhile, New Mexico has had state wide restrictions for a lot longer, and Nebraska had very successful contact tracing and quarantine measures in place since March, which helped slow or stop the spread. Add in mandatory and legally enforced mask mandates (and other restrictions) in the major cities in Nebraska, and you can see why the rate is much lower.
Lol dude. Stop. Every rural county in the country is having it explode right now. It got cold and they all went inside. The colder it is, the worse it is. They didn't pass it around like the cities did earlier in the year. Look at a county map of Pennsylvania. Central PA is getting it just as bad.

It has jack shit to do with whose governor is more tyrannical. Putting a mask on doesn't magically clean the boogers off your hands. It is rural versus urban demographics and the weather.
 
Meanwhile, New Mexico has had state wide restrictions for a lot longer, and Nebraska had very successful contact tracing and quarantine measures in place since March, which helped slow or stop the spread. Add in mandatory and legally enforced mask mandates (and other restrictions) in the major cities in Nebraska, and you can see why the rate is much lower.

Shove your face condom and your contact tracing up your fucking ass faggot
 
This is uncontrolled exponential growth.
No, this is typical behaviour for a virus that thrives in winter. Everywhere, whether they instituted lockdowns or not, saw cases and deaths drop over the summer, and then start to rise as the weather turned cold. Right now, the southern hemisphere is seeing very low cases and deaths as the southern summer rises.

Regardless, your numbers are not that big. They look big, because a huge number of people caught the disease all at the same time, but don't mistake volume for effect. The death rate, the ratio of deaths to cases of this virus, is tiny in anyone under 70. Even in the over 70s, the rate is lower than a lot of diseases.

It only looks big because an enormous chunk of the population caught it all at once. 900-odd deaths out of 1000 cases would be a problem, but 900 out of 79k is bupkiss. A little over 1%. This assumes all cases are even known, which they aren't.

Worldwide, the case mortality rate has been estimated at about 0.66%, not accounting for age, and has been trending down as more detail and information about infection rates is uncovered. That is not, by any measure, a dangerous infection, demanding insane lockdowns and social isolation for months at a time.
 
They did a service to the community and now they have some cash to spend in the commissary. What's the problem here?

Just because they are prisoners doesn't mean they aren't willing to help. More than you think have a sense of civic duty.
Prisoners also show their civic duty by introducing child molesters, child rapists, and child killers to Mr. Shank. 👍
 
From 437 to 914 in about 30 days. In a state with a population of roughly 900k people, pretty well spaced out without crazy lopsided population density like NY or NJ (which have cases clustered in major cities with extremely high population density and massive public transportation infrastructure).Another good comparison would be Wyoming, which has a population around 600k and a population density far lower than SD. Its fatality and case rate are far lower than SD.
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Here’s a list of death per 100k - a standard way of looking at rates without bias. You can find it on the CDC website. SD and ND are totally out of place on this chart. They’re outliers and shouldn’t be at this level of death rate. They’ve got populations lower than everywhere in the top 11 but DC and maybe Rhode Island. But they’ve got the lowest population density of anywhere on this list as well. Let’s look at states with similar population densities and where they are on the list.

New Mexico is a great analog to both the Dakotas, as it has roughly the same population density while having about twice the population. It’s death rate per capita is 72. If you put both the Dakotas together, in population (I’m estimating about 1.8 million total and I’m being generous) and do the death rate per capita you still end up at 104 per 100k. This super Dakota has similar demographics and population akin to Nebraska, which has a death rate per capita of... 51. That’s half. So what’s different between Nebraska, New Mexico, and the Dakotas? Local/State mask mandates, with legal consequences. SD has only a couple mask mandates and one in Brookings has been active since the summer. There has been no state wide restrictions . The rest are very recent and have no legal consequences. Meanwhile, New Mexico has had state wide restrictions for a lot longer, and Nebraska had very successful contact tracing and quarantine measures in place since March, which helped slow or stop the spread. Add in mandatory and legally enforced mask mandates (and other restrictions) in the major cities in Nebraska, and you can see why the rate is much lower.

I'd love to meet you on one of my runs so I can spit in your face.
 
Not gonna lie, my dog is pretty much the only reason I haven’t an heroed yet.
All it is is work all day in a muzzle, go home, repeat. I do everything I’m supposed to as well. No fast food, workout over an hour a day, sometimes twice a day, be ‘grateful’ I have a job that exposes me all day everyday to the virus, all the shit I’m supposed to do to get through this. But man, I just kind of want to give up and die or whatever.
Sorry for the edge.
Dont. You never know what’s going to happen tomorrow, or the next week, or the rest of your life. It could be amazing, and you’d never know. (Also fucking up an attempt and ending up mangled is more common than you’d think) . Also doggo needs you.
It’s going to get better. Have a cup of tea. Pet the dog. Go check out the bad tattoos thread and have a laugh. This too shall pass.
 

A travel nurse has described the "horrific" scene at one hospital in El Paso, Texas, a city that has emerged as a new hotspot as the weathers its third and likely deadliest wave of the coronavirus.

In a nearly hourlong Facebook Live video published last Saturday, Lawanna Rivers said that she had served five postings at various hospitals during the COVID-19 pandemic, but her time at the University Medical Center of El Paso was by far the worst.

"Out of all the COVID assignments I've been on, this one here has really left me emotionally scarred," she said. "The facility I'm at has surpassed the one I was at in New York." New York was the epicenter of the US outbreak in the spring.

Rivers was most upset about how the sickest patients at the hospital were treated. She said they were all put into an area called a "pit," where they are essentially left to die.

"My first day at orientation, I was told that whatever patients go into the pit, they only come out in a body bag," Rivers said.

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A nurse enters a tent for coronavirus patients at the University Medical Center of El Paso on October 30, 2020. Cengiz Yar/Getty Images
Rivers said doctors at the hospital would not enter the area, and nurses like herself who were stationed in them were under orders to perform CPR just three times on a patient before letting them die.

Rivers said she learned that doctors wouldn't enter the pit when she called a physician for help one day with a patient who was bleeding profusely. She said the doctor told her they don't go into the rooms for the sickest COVID-19 patients, so as to not expose themselves to the disease.

In the three-and-a-half weeks that she was at the hospital, Rivers said she never once saw a doctor go into a COVID-19 pit.

"The doctors don't even step foot in those COVID rooms to see those patients ...We as nurses, it's OK for us to be exposed, but you as doctors, you don't even come in there. You can't get exposed, but we can and y'all are making all the money," she said.

Rivers said that she volunteered to work in a pit every day, hoping that continuity of care would help her patients get better — but that it didn't matter because they were too sick by that point.

Rivers said she believes that if the patients had received better care earlier on, it may have made a difference.

"I have never experienced, and have no words, for what I just experienced in El Paso, Texas," she said. "If those doctors there would aggressively treat those patients from the beginning, a lot more would make it."

Rivers also accused the hospital of giving special treatment to the wife of a doctor once. She said this woman, whom a nurse at one point called a "VIP" patient, was the only person to make it out of the ICU alive during her nearly a month at the hospital.

"They pulled out all the stops for that woman, it was nothing that they didn't do for that woman. And guess what? She was the one patient that made it out of the ICU alive, and was able to downgrade to a longterm acute care. So you mean to tell me because she's a doctor's wife, her life meant more than any of those other patients?"

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The University Medical Center of El Paso. Google Street View
In another shocking testimony, Rivers described how a worker once wheeled in a dead body into her unit because the morgue was full.

"The morgue was so full of bodies that they had ran out of room, so once the doors opened to the pit they come wheeling in a body already in a bag," she said.

"Lined 'em up with the rest of our alive patients, because they had to store the body in there, because the morgue was out of room. They've had to bring in freezer trucks because there's so many bodies."

Rivers said that she left her assignment in El Paso early because she couldn't bear to watch more patients die.

"I've seen so many deaths in this last month, than I've seen in my entire 13-year career," Rivers said.

She said she was also afraid for her life, and the kind of care she would receive if she got sick there.

"I kept saying: 'I can't get sick here in Texas, because if I get COVID here in Texas ... I'm going to die. It was that bad," she said.

Business Insider has contacted the University Medical Center of El Paso for comment.

The hospital has been releasing the same statement to local outlets about Rivers' video.

"After watching the video, while we cannot fully verify the events expressed, we empathize and sympathize with the difficult, physical and emotional toll that this pandemic takes on thousands of healthcare workers here and throughout our country," hospital spokesman Ryan Mielke said in the statement, according to KFOX 14.

"This particular travel nurse was at UMC briefly to help El Paso confront the surge of COVID-19 patients."

Texas currently has the most coronavirus cases in the US, according to Worldometer, and El Paso county has the third-most infections in the state, according to the Texas health department.

Earlier this month the county doubled its number of mobile morgues — which are typically refrigerated trucks — to store COVID-19 victims' bodies, and KFOX 14 reported that patients were dying at such a rate that medical examiners have not been able to keep up.
 
Ngl kiwis. I'm in a low place.
I was already pretty isolated and depressed before all this, but I at least went out to dinner a couple times a week or to craft stores.

Now I don't even have that. Big things like holidays are cancelled so the literal weeks if prep for Xmas is too. I've cleaned my house out of boredom and there's nothing really left to clean. I can't afford to get stuff for my hobbies like cosplay and even if I did... I'm so beat down I don't even want to anymore.
Like a poster a few posts up said... The only reason I haven't an heroed is bc I couldn't do that to my grandma.

I've looked for low cost/affordable mental health care in my area and either I'm retarded and haven't found anything online, or it's few and far between around here... Plus all the big covid warnings that take up half the page on every website just chizzles a little more if my sanity away.

I don't know what to believe anymore.

I just keep telling myself "don't do that to grandma. Don't make grandma go through that..." Over and over.


Thanks for listening to my ted talk.
 
Dont. You never know what’s going to happen tomorrow, or the next week, or the rest of your life. It could be amazing, and you’d never know. (Also fucking up an attempt and ending up mangled is more common than you’d think) . Also doggo needs you.
It’s going to get better. Have a cup of tea. Pet the dog. Go check out the bad tattoos thread and have a laugh. This too shall pass.

What Otterly said, X one billion. Today is not tomorrow. Tomorrow is the next day of the rest of your life. Everything passes, and so will this shit. I can relate. Bet damned near everyone here can relate.

Take things one day at a time, or if that's too much one hour or maybe one minute at a time. Don't worry about tomorrow. Put some days together, you get a week, Put some weeks together, that's a month. Eventually you can climb out of it. It ALWAYS takes longer to get out of depression than it did to get into it.

Suicide is a permanent solution to what are usually temporary problems. Your problems appear to be temporary. Find or start a hobby, check out some threads, read some books, print out my avatar and throw darts at it, I don't care, just keep the mind busy. Dwelling on your problems is as poisonous as any drug out there.

Simply do not give up. Refuse to lose. Keep in mind if you were to off yourself, some motherfucker will hear the news and laugh. I shit you not. Don't give that motherfucker the pleasure.
 
So for all of you claiming covid is no big deal, masks don’t work, etc., take a look at South Dakota. Over the course of a month, the death toll doubled. South Dakota has a population density of about 12 people per square mile. It has a covid death rate higher than Pennsylvania, a state with a population density of roughly 240 people per square mile. This shouldn’t be the case. The only major difference is that PA has instituted restrictions like mask mandates and bar curfews to curb the spread. South Dakota is approaching the per capita death rate of places hit early on in the pandemic, with far higher population densities. Fuck Kristi Noem, useless bitch has killed a thousand people here.
So what? It went from like 1,000 to 2,000 dead?
We’re closing in on 1k, most of it over the last two months.
:story:

News Flash: Diseases kill people. Welcome to being an animal that exists on planet earth.
 
Suicide is a permanent solution to what are usually temporary problems.
The problem with this line of thinking is that to the person experiencing those problems they feel anything but temporary, or even if they are fleeting situations they seem unbearable.
Californians might want to get all their "nonessential" shit done really soon, Hair Gel Hitler announced he's on the verge of completely shutting down the state again.
Wtf. Does that mean all the factories, farms etc that ship stuff to the rest of the world, because if so that's really gonna make people cranky.
 
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