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[PenguinSuitAlice]

Are you sure he's not trying to recreate what he had with Batwoman?
EDIT: He did it again.
He really seems to be pushing the 'this show is so bad it is laughably ridiculous' motif from Batwoman.

 

[A.Shitposter]

Are you sure he's not trying to recreate what he had with Batwoman?
EDIT: He did it again.
He really seems to be pushing the 'this show is so bad it is laughably ridiculous' motif from Batwoman.

I don't understand how he thinks he can pull this off when the entire reason Batwoman was so awful was the bland script, terrible acting and film student awful cgi effects, the two are not even remotely in the same realm of comparison. If he wants another batwoman hit he needs to stick to CW shows.

 

[biscuitscilia]

Are you sure he's not trying to recreate what he had with Batwoman?
EDIT: He did it again.
He really seems to be pushing the 'this show is so bad it is laughably ridiculous' motif from Batwoman.

Holy shit, that laughter was so forced. They're really desperate to pretend this is as bad as "Batwoman" when it clearly isn't. Even those clips prove it's not anywhere near as bad.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

You are very much allowed to have a positive view of the thread subject especially as this is in the multi-media section and not the general lowcow area. That being said I am inclined to believe you haven't actually read through this whole thread as there have been many people who have clearly stated the fundamental problems with both Mauler and EFAP at large.

• Mauler puts on an aura of being knowledgeable about film despite only seemingly watching 50 or so Hollywood blockbusters and a few select generally approved of older films. This doesn't lead to a well-rounded view of cinema or much of a pool to compare stuff to.
• This wouldn't even be a problem except Mauler wants to be seen as some high-brow "objectively correct" film snob, but then makes laughable claims like Infinity War being the "best, least broken" movie of the year.
• Mauler's "objective" critique is a grossly bloated plot summary which ignores any and all actual film making techniques or staging choices in favor of surface-level nitpicking a la Cinemasins.
• EFAP is a fundamentally broken format for giving serious criticism. Not only do they often cut off the video recipient mid-point, they often go off-topic needlessly lengthening the run-time.
• On top of that often EFAPs turn into character assassinations and the crew purposefully playing dumb just so they can disagree with whomever the video is on.
• Mauler and Rags literally stating that long critique is better regardless of the actual content of the critique
• Expecting people to actually respond to EFAP drivel and then getting upset when people look at the run-time and go "lol no."
• "Me, Wolf, and Rags have a special gift"
• Mauler procrastinating so hard on making edited videos he is taking his patrons for a ride.
• Generally encouraging a cult of personality around himself by basically stating that all who follow him are smart, rational, and intelligent, unlike those nasty Force Awakens fanboys.

He mainly just comes off as an idiot masquerading as an enlightened figure. "Look at my long in-depth review, nevermind the value of the actual contents! What you don't want to sit through seven hours of nit-picking? L-long man bad, haha!"

Don't forget that both Mauler and Rags have shit taste and act like they are speaking untold truths that scare the masses despite just being general contrarianism for the sake of it, differing opinions, or genuine shit taste.

 

[Not Even Twice]

Are you sure he's not trying to recreate what he had with Batwoman?
EDIT: He did it again.
He really seems to be pushing the 'this show is so bad it is laughably ridiculous' motif from Batwoman.

One thing that stands out in the Mandalorian coverage is that Mauler makes sure to mention that he is going in blind, but the forced sounding inserts of "wait what is happening now?" make it is pretty obvious that he has seen the episodes before doing the actual stream.
The whole thing comes off as an attempt to create an artificial re-enactment of the Batwoman videos. And even though he is failing at it, I can see why he would. The Batwoman stuff is easily his most entertaining output.
He should try for shittier productions though, it's not like there is a shortage of that these days.

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

One thing that stands out in the Mandalorian coverage is that Mauler makes sure to mention that he is going in blind, but the forced sounding inserts of "wait what is happening now?" make it is pretty obvious that he has seen the episodes before doing the actual stream.
The whole thing comes off as an attempt to create an artificial re-enactment of the Batwoman videos. And even though he is failing at it, I can see why he would. The Batwoman stuff is easily his most entertaining output.
He should try for shittier productions though, it's not like there is a shortage of that these days.

I also think that they genuinely enjoyed making the Batwoman and Crisis on Infinite Earths EFAP minis. This just feels like they are continuing to criticize Disney Star Wars because they are the people that go after Disney Star Wars. So they just filmed themselves watching it rather than making an effort by making a actual review of it.

EDIT: I also think it should be noted that MauLer probably doesn't get much out of making the EFAP minis, Batwoman or otherwise. The Batwoman Series never broke 200K views, and most of them are in the tens of thousands view-wise. It's on the second channel (with only 74K subscribers and most used as a stream archive), after all. Also, it was prerecorded and edited, so there weren't any superchats. This is not gaining them any new subscribers either, since this is probably not viewed by anyone other than fans. Compare this to the proper reviews and Unbridles, or some of their more popular EFAPs. These are in the millions or hundred thousands, and have high outsider draw. These videos is purely for their own entertainment, I think. Or to make MauLer's audience think he is doing something worthwhile with his Patreon and superchat money while his TFA and GoT series lie unfinished. Take your pick.

His Patreon, I might add, is steadly declining and hasn't been updated since October 16 of last year.

MauLer's Current stance on his Patreon is still this. He made a similar comment on it in a twitter thread a while back.

Either way, MauLer has become content with where he is, I think. He has plateaued content and grow-wise. Which leaves only decline or stagnation in his future. One day, younger Youtubers may be making video essays on him, ironically.

 

[noonster]

Are you sure he's not trying to recreate what he had with Batwoman?
EDIT: He did it again.
He really seems to be pushing the 'this show is so bad it is laughably ridiculous' motif from Batwoman.

Even if the storm trooper speeder crash clip is weird and out of left field it still doesn't hold a bucket to the scene of the guy getting electrocuted by the water he could have easily avoided in Batwoman, that was genuinely so bad it's funny, this is just seems like they feel they have to have one "so bad it's funny" moment in all of these episodes.

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

Even if the storm trooper speeder crash clip is weird and out of left field it still doesn't hold a bucket to the scene of the guy getting electrocuted by the water he could have easily avoided in Batwoman, that was genuinely so bad it's funny, this is just seems like they feel they have to have one "so bad it's funny" moment in all of these episodes.

The Scout Troopers on speeders exploding isn't even that bad from an action or direction standpoint. I also was under the impression (I haven't watched the Mandalorian) that the Empire was scraping the bottom of the barrel after Endor so it would make sense their troopers were less competent. Also the blaster-deflecting armor is a rather silly, but it was a lore development introduced in the sequel trilogy that they have to acknowledge now. If they didn't, they would be saying why they didn't use it, just like the hyperspace tracker, etc.

 

[buying gf]

Also, the stormtroopers being incompetent is something that happens in the OT, and has been memed about since then. They can't hit the side of a barn door with a blaster, they get tricked easily, etc.

 

[TheImportantFart]

Also the blaster-deflecting armor is a rather silly, but it was a lore development introduced in the sequel trilogy that they have to acknowledge now.

Beskar predates the Sequel Trilogy by quite some time. It was introduced in the old EU and was one of the concepts carried over to the new canon with The Clone Wars and Rebels. It was fanfic-tier shit even back then, but it's been a thing in the Star Wars universe for ages.

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

New from Twitter.
MauLer being a fanboy of the LoTR movies.

Going after Rian Johnson.

Is he still making that Knives Out review, or is it shelved like everything else?

 

[LionoRaptor]

Does anyone notice Mauler uses a "in-universe" defense for any film that doesn't be easily criticised objectively ? Like Coen Brothers films or David Lynch films. He will use the excuse that the film takes place in its own universe with its own rules and as long as the rules are established and adhered to, he will like the film. It seems like he likes only capeshit exclusively. How would he react to 70s/80s films? Aliens is awesome but it ignored Ridley Scott's canon regarding how eggs are created. In the original director cut, Harrry Dean Stanton gets turned into an egg.

Commando also makes no logical sense like The Last Jedi but I love that film.

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

Does anyone notice Mauler uses a "in-universe" defense for any film that doesn't be easily criticised objectively ? Like Coen Brothers films or David Lynch films. He will use the excuse that the film takes place in its own universe with its own rules and as long as the rules are established and adhered to, he will like the film. It seems like he likes only capeshit exclusively. How would he react to 70s/80s films? Aliens is awesome but it ignored Ridley Scott's canon regarding how eggs are created. In the original director cut, Harrry Dean Stanton gets turned into an egg.

Commando also makes no logical sense like The Last Jedi but I love that film.

I believe he likes the original and second Alien films, considering he cites them a lot. He doesn't like superhero films exclusively. Bly Manor was a significant example of him being very defensive of a non-superhero product. It also should be noted that he is a massive Buffy the Vampire fan as well. He has very basic tastes (mostly well-known blockbusters), but it isn't limited only to superheros. He just brings them up very often.

 

[Idiotron]

Does anyone notice Mauler uses a "in-universe" defense for any film that doesn't be easily criticised objectively ? Like Coen Brothers films or David Lynch films. He will use the excuse that the film takes place in its own universe with its own rules and as long as the rules are established and adhered to, he will like the film.

That's actually a valid argument.
A movie doesn't have to follow the rules of our reality but, if something has been established and then reinforced (for example, the Predator likes hot temperatures, which was a thing in Predator 1 & 2), it shouldn't be contradicted (like in Alien vs Predator where you had Predators running around in the South Pole with bare chests).

Also, the Alien egg thing was a deleted scene so it's not a contradiction... and it's Tom Skerrit, not Harry Dean Stanton who gets turned... but now I'm just being autistic

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

It seems that MauLer did not get the voice acting role he wanted.

 

[biscuitscilia]

Does anyone notice Mauler uses a "in-universe" defense for any film that doesn't be easily criticised objectively ? Like Coen Brothers films or David Lynch films. He will use the excuse that the film takes place in its own universe with its own rules and as long as the rules are established and adhered to, he will like the film.

This is the shit that really infuriates me. What rules does No Country for Old Men or The Big Lebowski follow? It's not like Anton or the Dude have superpowers or that these films have some rich lore. These types of films are not about lore or worldbuilding. There's no rules that they follow or establish. There is a thing known as "internal logic" but this has to do with organic narrative flow, not lore or rules.

That's actually a valid argument.
A movie doesn't have to follow the rules of our reality but, if something has been established and then reinforced (for example, the Predator likes hot temperatures, which was a thing in Predator 1 & 2), it shouldn't be contradicted (like in Alien vs Predator where you had Predators running around in the South Pole with bare chests).

Also, the Alien egg thing was a deleted scene so it's not a contradiction... and it's Tom Skerrit, not Harry Dean Stanton who gets turned... but now I'm just being autistic

There are some films out there that don't have rules and purposely contradicts itself. A good example is Ingmar Bergman's Persona, where the dialogue and actions of the main characters are not consistent but it has a purpose in it's narrative to be like that. You can't make a film that is "consistently inconsistent", it just is inconsistent and doesn't follow rules but that doesn't always mean it's for no reason at all or bad.

 

[Idiotron]

There are some films out there that don't have rules and purposely contradicts itself. A good example is Ingmar Bergman's Persona, where the dialogue and actions of the main characters are not consistent but it has a purpose in it's narrative to be like that. You can't make a film that is "consistently inconsistent", it just is inconsistent and doesn't follow rules but that doesn't always mean it's for no reason at all or bad.

There sure are but this is EFAP we're talking about, these guys aren't mentally equipped to discuss those.
Just listen to their take on I'm Thinking of Ending Things by Kaufman.
They can talk about Star Wars for hundreds of hours or have an in-depth discussion about The Amazing Spider-Man 2 but with IToEF, they just said "it was boring and artsy fartsy and nothing happened, 1/10".
It's like a bunch of meathead jocks reviewed this movie, except nobody on EFAP is physically fit.

In the context of this thread, unless specified otherwise, we're talking about mainstream simplistic 3 act popcorn movies

 

[LionoRaptor]

That's actually a valid argument.
A movie doesn't have to follow the rules of our reality but, if something has been established

There sure are but this is EFAP we're talking about, these guys aren't mentally equipped to discuss those.
Just listen to their take on I'm Thinking of Ending Things by Kaufman.
They can talk about Star Wars for hundreds of hours or have an in-depth discussion about The Amazing Spider-Man 2 but with IToEF, they just said "it was boring and artsy fartsy and nothing happened, 1/10".
It's like a bunch of meathead jocks reviewed this movie, except nobody on EFAP is physically fit.

In the context of this thread, unless specified otherwise, we're talking about mainstream simplistic 3 act popcorn movies

They hate TLJ because it allegedly disrespected the lore/physics of Star Wars. Well its not like they were set in concrete in the first place. George Lucas created purple lightsabers because Sam Jackson wanted one.

Problem with Mauler and co is that they are spoiled. They dont remember the years when every big summer blockbuster was a disappointment. The Dark Age 1996-2001.
Doug Walker did a great short video on this.

https://youtu.be/kAGGsO23z_k

 

[biscuitscilia]

There sure are but this is EFAP we're talking about, these guys aren't mentally equipped to discuss those.
Just listen to their take on I'm Thinking of Ending Things by Kaufman.
They can talk about Star Wars for hundreds of hours or have an in-depth discussion about The Amazing Spider-Man 2 but with IToEF, they just said "it was boring and artsy fartsy and nothing happened, 1/10".
It's like a bunch of meathead jocks reviewed this movie, except nobody on EFAP is physically fit.

In the context of this thread, unless specified otherwise, we're talking about mainstream simplistic 3 act popcorn movies

Of course, man. EFAP is really just amateurs pretending to be professionals. Their whole "rules" based logic system doesn't matter to films not focused on world building or lore. It'd be retarded to judge Fargo on the "rules it establishes" or even Eraserhead, the latter being impossible to judge based on "logic" because of how heavy it leans into symbolism and interpretation over the "immersion and satisfaction" that Mauler likes to flaunt.

 

[DisaffectedDude]

Problem with Mauler and co is that they are spoiled. They dont remember the years when every big summer blockbuster was a disappointment. The Dark Age 1996-2001.

I mean, this is a time period that includes Independence Day, The Rock, Mission Impossible, The Fifth Element, LA Confidential, Starship Troopers, Con Air, Rush Hour, Saving Private Ryan, The Thin Red Line, Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, Out of Sight, Ronin, Fight Club, The Sixth Sense, Sleepy Hollow, The Matrix, Deep Blue Sea, The Mummy, The Green Mile, The Blair Witch Project, Princess Monoke, Gladiator, Cast Away, Unbreakable, Chicken Run, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Monsters Inc, Oceans Eleven and Shrek....

Not the worst lineup, tbh

I mean, it depends on what your definition of 'blockbuster' is, but for me it's just any film that becomes a huge commercial success, or a film that a studio intends to be a huge commercial success. Most of these films I listed were also released during Summer. Most.



I also hope he makes that Knives Out review. Because what I saw of that video of him, Rags and that Drinker fuck did not inspire confidence.