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People have talked in this thread and the GRS horrors one about the future health issues caused by blocking puberty temporarily. But forever? What slew of problems would that end up with?

It also makes me really ticked off, as someone growing up as a tomboy and having whatever hobbies or clothing I wanted to wear and being comfortable with it. Is it irrational of me? I legitimately don’t understand why non binary is a thing. Gender non conforming is perfectly fine if you just like stuff that doesn’t “fit” your sex. Be butch or dainty or androgynous or all of the above. You don’t have to (and literally cannot) nope out of the gender concept because you want to. It’s insulting to people as well (primarily women since 99% of envies I see are female) since it implies that they don’t want to be one at all. Anything but.

Edit: some other people have posted side effects. I don’t understand it. Either the doctors failed to explain anything, they (or the parents) failed to do any research themselves, or the individuals know and STILL go through with damaging procedures because ew, puberty is awful.
All three are applicable. A) Doctors are downplaying known side effects (or are simply uniformed) and B) parents are not doing research which leads to C) going through with it anyway.

It also doesn’t help that in the US Lupron is not FDA approved to treat childhood gender dysphoria. Its use is completely off-label here which only adds to the confusion for the cautious parents who are actually researching these meds. You can’t find studies about the short term or long term side effects because— as AbbVie might claim one day— the drug was not intended to be given to 8 year olds to treat gender dysphoria.

Something that I’ve been curious about and have never found an answer to in troon medical literature (including the WPATH guidelines) is the recommended dosage amount for GnRH agonists in kids being treated for gender dysphoria. It’s not spelled out anywhere. So how do the doctors make the determination? Why is there no standard dose?

These are drugs for which adults are recommended to be on for no more than six months in most cases. How can anyone think that a drug like that is not only okay for a kid, but to put them on it for four to five years?
 
Something that I’ve been curious about and have never found an answer to in troon medical literature (including the WPATH guidelines) is the recommended dosage amount for GnRH agonists in kids being treated for gender dysphoria. It’s not spelled out anywhere. So how do the doctors make the determination? Why is there no standard dose?
They tell each other that the dosages apply depending on you individually, because you're supposed to go through some tests and the doctors "know" how much to prescribe. The one's that want kids to go on HRT believe that it applies to a kid as well because age, size, weight, etc.
 
Don't know if anyone watches Big Mouth or if this has been posted, but there's a tranny now on the show, born Gabe but now "Natalie." From doing a Google search, he's voiced by a tranny named "Josie Totah," who transitioned when he was 17.

In her his/her introduction, they make it a point to hammer Natalie's "preferred pronouns." And I knew when to stop watching. I know there's people who have found the show disturbing and that it attempts to normalize pedophilia. I just think the shows weird and don't expect anything less from a former Family Guy writer.

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right, honestly this made me feel weird reading it. How the fuck would that benefit anyone to have no PUBERTY at all to be non binary? what in the fucking fuck?
People have talked in this thread and the GRS horrors one about the future health issues caused by blocking puberty temporarily. But forever? What slew of problems would that end up with?
All those side effects in someone who hasn't even undergone puberty would arguably be worse; bone development halted, no libido developed, no development of genitals, lack of brain development.
There's one case where I think blocking puberty "forever" is ok, and that's the "Ashley Treatment".
It's super-controversial, and a lot of people worry about it leading to a slippery slope, but I genuinely think that in that specific case it was the right thing to do for the kid.
But in these cases? This isn't a child who is facing a horrifying life of pain without the ability to communicate it, or the future loss of parents who will be able to care for her. This is just a bunch of otherwise-healthy children being turned into test animals because god-forbid they face the same discomfort that the rest of us have had for face for the last 12,000 years.
 
There's one case where I think blocking puberty "forever" is ok, and that's the "Ashley Treatment".
It's super-controversial, and a lot of people worry about it leading to a slippery slope, but I genuinely think that in that specific case it was the right thing to do for the kid.
But in these cases? This isn't a child who is facing a horrifying life of pain without the ability to communicate it, or the future loss of parents who will be able to care for her. This is just a bunch of otherwise-healthy children being turned into test animals because god-forbid they face the same discomfort that the rest of us have had for face for the last 12,000 years.
I have heard of that instance, though it can evolve other procedures besides just hormone blocking type of stuff.

I get it, puberty isn’t always a walk in the park. But it’s something everyone goes through. It’s part of growing up, being human.
 
Don't know if anyone watches Big Mouth or if this has been posted, but there's a tranny now on the show, born Gabe but now "Natalie." From doing a Google search, he's voiced by a tranny named "Josie Totah," who transitioned when he was 17.

In her his/her introduction, they make it a point to hammer Natalie's "preferred pronouns." And I knew when to stop watching. I know there's people who have found the show disturbing and that it attempts to normalize pedophilia. I just think the shows weird and don't expect anything less from a former Family Guy writer.

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A troon raves!

When she arrives and reintroduces herself to the boy campers who still know her by her dead name, Natalie is (realistically) besieged with questions about how she pees and what her crotch looks like, to which she replies, “My crotch looks like the back of your mom’s head while she’s slurping me off.”

So still be-dicked. Got it.

Natalie has her own problems with the girls, who don’t pepper her with anatomical questions but who do try to dress her up as Hari Nef and Caitlyn Jenner.

Lol they don’t even try to dress up the baby troon as an actual female.

They try to position her as a hopeful figure, but a shallow one, judged by her aesthetics and her ability to convincingly “pass” as one of them.

It’s called female socialization.

It’s in these moments that the strength of Josie Totah’s vocal performance really shines through, as she wraps her energetic voice around profanity-laden lines like “Have fun face-fucking your dad’s meat, you French-Canadian cunt.”

Um ew.

For many transgender people, myself included, your initial puberty can feel like a monster — an external force that feels not just uncomfortable but totally alien, something you want to reject persistently, and at a core level.

That’s puberty, period you gormless hole. What insane world do troons live in that puberty is just a hot fudge sundae for the rest of us.

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Here. This made me really feel sick and confused.

https://jme.bmj.com/content/46/11/743

"Forever young? The ethics of ongoing puberty suppression for non-binary adults" -

"Phoenix, 18, was assigned female at birth but has identified as gender non-binary (not entirely/exclusively male or female) since age 5. Phoenix uses they/them pronouns, has short hair and wears gender-neutral clothes. When Phoenix was 11, they began puberty and became extremely distressed by development of their breast buds and anxious about menstruation commencing soon. This prompted Phoenix and their parents to ask Phoenix’s paediatrician for puberty blockers to halt puberty and stop further pubertal development. At that time, Phoenix told their paediatrician they did not want to discontinue the use of such blockers in the future, as they did not want to go through any puberty. Given Phoenix’s severe distress, Phoenix’s paediatrician agreed puberty blockers should be given, but informed Phoenix and their parents he was not prepared to prescribe long-term puberty suppression, as this is riskier than short-term suppression. The paediatrician stated that, when Phoenix turned 16 and had a better sense of their gender identity, they would meet to discuss whether Phoenix wished to discontinue the puberty blockers and (1) revert to their endogenous (female) sex hormones or (2) commence testosterone.

When Phoenix turned 16, they informed their paediatrician that they did not want option (1) or (2). Rather, Phoenix was confident they would identify as non-binary for the rest of their life and wanted to stay on puberty blockers ‘forever’ to ensure their body remained in a ‘genderless’ state. Reluctantly, the paediatrician agreed to extend Phoenix’s time on blockers for another 2 years.

Recently, Phoenix entered the adult healthcare system and informed their new doctor that their desire to continue puberty suppression on an ongoing basis has not changed. Phoenix feels that remaining in an androgynous, peripubertal state is the only way that their body can truly reflect their non-binary gender identity. Phoenix, supported by their parents, has the financial means to pay for ongoing puberty suppression (OPS) (approximately $A5200 per year in Australia).

Phoenix does not have any underlying medical conditions which would specifically contraindicate hormonal intervention. Nevertheless, Phoenix’s new doctor feels that OPS is still too physically risky, especially with regard to bone health, and wonders if Phoenix has underlying psychological issues about not wanting to grow up.

Phoenix’s doctor refers Phoenix to a psychologist, who confirms that Phoenix continues to have significant distress about their body, similar in degree to that experienced by binary trans patients that the psychologist has seen. Phoenix has regular counselling with the psychologist, who judges that Phoenix’s distress is significant and enduring, and is not a symptom of an underlying psychopathology. The psychologist also reports that she does not see any signs that indicate Phoenix has a fear of growing up.

Phoenix tells the psychologist that they highly value having a body that matches their gender identity. Alternative options, including low-dose testosterone, menstrual suppression and future ‘top’ surgery, are unacceptable to Phoenix because they do not believe these alternatives would accurately reflect their non-binary gender identity.

Phoenix’s doctor and psychologist conduct a capacity assessment, and find Phoenix capable of consenting to OPS. The psychologist also verifies that Phoenix’s desire for OPS is long-standing, informed, voluntary and free from coercion.

Should Phoenix’s new doctor agree to prescribe puberty blockers for Phoenix to take on an ongoing basis?"

right, honestly this made me feel weird reading it. How the fuck would that benefit anyone to have no PUBERTY at all to be non binary? what in the fucking fuck?

I can understand (to a point) people switching gender. It's a bit far fetched, some are obvs pervs but isn't entirely stupid nor a perversion for some. BLOCKING PUBERTY FOR SOMEONES WHOLE LIFE? THE HECK. It's like some nazi experiment to breed children that never grow. I can't understand it.

I tap out, im done; This is the worst thing i have read. oml.
I've brought this up with trans activists before - that it isn't a huge leap to suppose that we are going to end up with "non-binary" kids having their puberty blocked indefinitely. It is an obvious conclusion to their fucking insane rhetoric. If it is wrong for trans kids to go through their natal puberty and they should be given hormones to mimic the opposite sex puberty, then wouldn't it be equally wrong for non-binary kids to be forced to go through ANY puberty? Of course, they called me bigoted and a TERF and misinformed.
 
"His" (Buck Angel's) voice though. I don't know what turns gay men on, but Tranpa is just so magnificently clockable the second "he" is on video, rather than pictures.
The voice is off but if I am to listen to her voice alone, I'd guess a mousy sort of man. Looking at her while listening to her voice, however...

Do you folx remember Monicaaaaaah (that's 6 a's)? He is a keeper. I guarantee nothing brightens your day more than watching him smile on this video.

His latest shtick is to stick progesterone pills up his ass:
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Whatever he is taking and however he is taking them, he still looks like Elliot Rodger:
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Don't know if anyone watches Big Mouth or if this has been posted, but there's a tranny now on the show, born Gabe but now "Natalie." From doing a Google search, he's voiced by a tranny named "Josie Totah," who transitioned when he was 17.

In her his/her introduction, they make it a point to hammer Natalie's "preferred pronouns." And I knew when to stop watching. I know there's people who have found the show disturbing and that it attempts to normalize pedophilia. I just think the shows weird and don't expect anything less from a former Family Guy writer.

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This kid is also on the new Saved by the Bell remake, playing a trans student.
 
Ireland's Transgender Education Network Ireland wrote an insane public letter today calling for the silencing of TERFs in the media. They're clearly rattled as there's been a lot of discussion on twitter, a couple of articles in the papers and talk on radio. I've heard people at work start talking about troons lately.

Just count the amount of lies and the amount of hyperbole in this. Irish people will count a lot more.

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Fucking single spacing as well, can't even use Word. Fucking imbeciles.
An Post put up the trans flag during the weekend of the 100th anniversary of Bloody Sunday. It's so disrespectful to the forefathers and foremothers of the Irish people and nation. Those who fought during the Easter Rising would be horrified to see what the Woke Irish are doing to their country they fought for to be free.

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Here’s my question: if gender and sex are social constructs and white colonialism or whatever they cry these days, why do they all change their names? Especially someone famous? Although Ellen is a feminine name, she could’ve rebranded it to sound sort of unisex like the name Glenn or something. Instead she’s traded her famous name in for something generic and random. For what purpose?
“Elliot” is a really popular FtM name, as it’s considered unisex these days and thus a “soft boy uwu” name. You almost never see them picking very masculine, traditional names like John, Carl or William, it’s always something that could either be considered gender neutral or is more commonly heard on newborns than people their age. To be fair it is the closest male name to her birth name but I’ve come across way too many FTMs with names like Elliot, Quinn, Oliver, Cayden etc. to think that’s the only reason she picked it.
 
I've been flicking through Pediatric Gender Identity which is written/edited by a bunch of 'affirmative' clinicians. It includes a very interesting chapter written by some Dutch clinicians on the autism-troonism connection including an utterly horrifying and insane "vignette."

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Like what the fuck? How does something like this even happen in a clinical situation and how did the clinicians think that they were doing The Right Thing? Also keep in mind that the authors admit that ASD patients may have lower levels of psychological functioning than ASD individuals in general:
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This is, as is the case throughout the entire chapter, not taken to imply or suggest that maybe their gender dysphoria or cross-sex desires are caused by underlying psychological issues. But the real kicker is that right after the Sam vignette they write:
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Excellent. So, Sam, an undeniably autistic youth, was given a "treatment" of multiple drugs with no supporting evidence - not even poor evidence - on a basis - that he has a 'female' gender identity - which almost certainly has zero diagnostic validity. Very good and ethical medical practice this is.

The chapter earlier also cites the "maybe autism is a symptom of being trans" paper by Turban which is basically "retarded thought-bubbling" the paper:
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