Biting the hand that feeds - A brief history of the Kiwi Farms and why A&T is the redheaded stepchild of the site.

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For real though, closing A&H was the baller move. Everything is infinitely more comfy. Just wanna be left alone to laugh at cows. Maybe sip some cocoa. Have a cookie. Comfy.
It's probably for the best in the end. Politics is super toxic, especially now. Maybe we can bring it back at some point when things have calmed down, and with maybe with stricter rules/moderation.

Everything that's gone down these year politics-wise has just made everybody crazy.
 
So, let's see. On one side, we've got all of the political, legal, and business bodies in the existence of man - oh, and religious ones, too.
On the other side, we've got some narcissistic NEETs that all-too-often draw income purely from SSI/SSD equivalents.

Real motley crew, those free speech absolutists. Invaluable to any truly enlightened, euphoric discourse.
I'm sure you'll get there one day, arguing there should be no recourse for sending a bomb threat to a hospital. There wasn't a bomb, officers, so you got PRANKED.
Oh, wait, advocating and trying to change the world is dumb so that's not the plan, so you're... talking to fill up some bytes? You would be a much less depressing person if you were a poe.



Some countries have speech codes which would get in the way of you saying niggerfaggot by getting the popo on your ass.
But even those countries which have had the most robust and the most pliant free speech provisions, like the US, have never once allowed you to make genuine or seemingly genuine terroristic or violent threats without rebuke.

The limits of free speech, to any body that matters and to any person that matters, have never stretched into allowing overt threats and calls to violence.
If someone banning you from twitter for saying niggerfaggot makes you think "we should be allowed to threaten to shoot up schools," you are retarded, should get a job, and should probably move out of the basement.

Arguing against "hurting feelings = literal violence" is the whole point of arguing in favor of free speech - the two aren't synonymous.
Arguing that calls to literal violence are the same as hurt feelings is just flipping around the equals sign: "literal violence = hurting feelings"
"But they did it first!" is a legal strategy that doesn't work very well.
"Well why are they allowed to get away with it?" Because they haven't eroded the fundamental bedrock, and most of those restrictions are accepted and even desired by people using those platforms and living in those cities. This is why conservatives and liberals are segregating. Yet the proof in the pudding that the bedrock is still intact is this very site - the bedrock never included fedposting.

It really is not hard to grasp that Null is totally fine with the widest interpretation of Free Speech that has ever functionally existed on the planet earth in a meaningful way, and still exists (so long as 230 does) in US jurisdiction. The whole "threatening to shoot up mental wards should be a-ok" side of things hasn't ever been what he's veered towards or wanted to cultivate.
Surprising amount of faggotry in this thread. This sort of senescent, grape-brained philosophizing is very reminiscent of the comments section under a newspaper article.

The real issue is that people now very commonly communicate through the personal property of individuals or corporations who are held liable for threats to the present order. Threats of political violence (perhaps the only way to have any affect on politics presently) in this sense are precisely the same as naughty words getting you banned from facebook. The facebook man fears the word nigger, because it will cause him strife, in advertising and amongst his public. Null does not because his user base does not hold him to that standard. He does, however fear the security apparatus of the american government because they can reach him. I also sense Josh has changed with age and become more cautious. Perhaps some of the riskier moves he made in the past he would not have made if they were presented today. But this is merely guess work on my part.

Any pseudo-philosophizing on the supposed limits of free speech is entirely vacuous. It shows an ignorance of the concept of freedom, which itself is quite complicated, and of the power structures which are actually at work drawing borders with false moralizing. Of course the papal authority will find Luthers theses beyond the bounds of proper speech. Of course the Austro hungarian monarchy will despise the manifestos of serb nationalists. Obviously Americans will resent the crusading tone of islamic pamphleteers. There isn't an objective line for free speech, merely differing power structures vying for control of moral authority so they can most effectively censor their opposition.

None of this is any sort of criticism of Josh, who I rather like and hope makes the best possible decisions for himself going forward. Instead I merely want to point out that those of you falling into the stupid person's cliche of rationalizing their feelings with simplistic and retarded pseudo philosophy, are faggots. Amen.
 
Retarded politics does need to be reigned in.

Needless to say Trump brought in a new wave of online activism, however it was always funny to defend trump even though a lot of people were just shit positing. now however politics are serious business.

Null breaks his back to not dox his users, however any user here who spergs over politics is basically doxing themselfs as they show there true colors. I like not knowing what everyone’s political affiliation is here, I think its more interesting having conversations not knowing where people stand on certain issues. If you run into a room with a Maga hat or bitiching about the BLM neo jews then your the same as a blue haired thick rimmed glasses college chick. I know 100% what your stances are regarding any hot button political topic, and it’s boring and your have taken a side you cannot be moved from.

there is a handicapped poster here called @BoxerShorts47 who dispute his sever handicap, sperged so hard over George Floyd that the had his own thread, because of how he posted He essentially got doxed, because when you take this politics shit too seriously you lower your guard and you become very vulnerable.

be smart, take it to reddit.
 
You know, I lurked this site for several years before registering, so I got to watch the Vord stuff and the threats and everything else, and joking aside, Null is one of the few people who I unironically have nothing but respect for... he has given his time, his life and his money to support something he wholeheartedly believes in. He goes out of his way to try to protect his users, even from themselves.

and despite literally all the shit he‘s gone through, he’s still one of the most tolerant, reasonable people I can think of. still willing to call and talk to weirdos and people that hate his guts to try to understand them.

Which isn’t just to blow smoke up his ass, but is also to say... think about the kind of person who has willingly done all that, and think about how little he has asked from the people on this site. And consider that maybe, just maybe, those few small requests are really not that onerous in comparison.
 
You know, I lurked this site for several years before registering, so I got to watch the Vord stuff and the threats and everything else, and joking aside, Null is one of the few people who I unironically have nothing but respect for... he has given his time, his life and his money to support something he wholeheartedly believes in. He goes out of his way to try to protect his users, even from themselves.

and despite literally all the shit he‘s gone through, he’s still one of the most tolerant, reasonable people I can think of. still willing to call and talk to weirdos and people that hate his guts to try to understand them.

Which isn’t just to blow smoke up his ass, but is also to say... think about the kind of person who has willingly done all that, and think about how little he has asked from the people on this site. And consider that maybe, just maybe, those few small requests are really not that onerous in comparison.
Completely agree. I always feel bad about how josh is treated, even on 8chan /tech/ I remember josh announcing he was starting his own hosting company and everyone immediately shit on him. From what I know, Josh's beliefs align very closely to mine so I've always felt for the guy. The way I see it, places like facebook and other similar sites are like these very well constructed buildings in the middle of the internet wasteland, and places like kiwifarms are smaller shacks that can crumble at any second.
 
It's probably for the best in the end. Politics is super toxic, especially now. Maybe we can bring it back at some point when things have calmed down, and with maybe with stricter rules/moderation.

Everything that's gone down these year politics-wise has just made everybody crazy.
While I do enjoy watching two tards argue over politics, it does get tiresome after a while.
 
I wasn't here from the start but I've very much come to enjoy the farms. I've tried to support it where I can. Sucks that people have to push this retard bullshit to limits where it doesn't need to go.
 
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Retarded politics does need to be reigned in.

Needless to say Trump brought in a new wave of online activism, however it was always funny to defend trump even though a lot of people were just shit positing. now however politics are serious business.

Null breaks his back to not dox his users, however any user here who spergs over politics is basically doxing themselfs as they show there true colors. I like not knowing what everyone’s political affiliation is here, I think its more interesting having conversations not knowing where people stand on certain issues. If you run into a room with a Maga hat or bitiching about the BLM neo jews then your the same as a blue haired thick rimmed glasses college chick. I know 100% what your stances are regarding any hot button political topic, and it’s boring and your have taken a side you cannot be moved from.

there is a handicapped poster here called @BoxerShorts47 who dispute his sever handicap, sperged so hard over George Floyd that the had his own thread, because of how he posted He essentially got doxed, because when you take this politics shit too seriously you lower your guard and you become very vulnerable.

be smart, take it to reddit.
No one cares about your stupid Kim Kardashian-tier lolcows; people with an IQ over 115 realize the future matters and right now that means focusing on politics.
 
i usually lurk 99% of the time on here, but I've also been here a long time. I would not have been able to do nearly as much as Null in hosting this site, nor would I want to. I do like having somewhere I can go to read things that aren't just regurgitated stupid bullshit like every other website though.

Seriously I went on reddit for 2 minutes and found someone mad because animal crossing celebrated christmas and that it personally ruins their life or some shit.

I just hate everything and I'm glad I can post (and lurk) in a place where stupid bullshit like that will be mocked (as it rightly should.)
 
If Joe Biden is sworn in as president, I will commit an act of generosity by donating money to my local animal shelter. And if Trump gets sworn in, I'll probably do it anyway.

Does it make you feel powerful that, through your own will and a distance of what is likely hundreds to thousands of miles, you forced the hand of an agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation sitting in his office to move their mouse across their government-issued mousepad, place the cursor onto your post, and press the leftmost button firmly yet precociously a single time in order to reveal the contents of your potential Credible and Immediate threat...not unlike the unwrapping of a suspiciously rectangular gift... only to leave them as dejected and unfulfilled as they would have been upon discovering that they had NOT just unwrapped the rad copy of Sonic and Knuckles for the Sega Genesis that they had written to Santa for this Christmas, but instead a children's study bible from grandma...make them dance, Puppetmaster.
 
Geeze. I don't look at KF for a day and shit goes down. I always miss the fun happenings.

For real though, I would agree that banning people making violent threats not in minecraft is probably a good move. You can have a site that allows unfettered discussion of sensitive topics without also having to allow people acting like jackasses and purposefully trying to stir shit up in the meatspace. I'm a libtard, and I acknowledge that this is a mostly right-leaning site, but I'm still glad it exists. This kind of frank, unfiltered discussion and dissemination of news is something that's becoming rarer and rarer online. Besides, this is the best place for both doomscrolling and laughing at assholes. Twitter and Facebook ain't got shit on the Farms.

Take care of yourself Null, you're doing good work, you magnificent spazz.
 
No one cares about your stupid Kim Kardashian-tier lolcows; people with an IQ over 115 realize the future matters and right now that means focusing on politics.
Ya let's nuke the hot new trending part of the website. Real smart business move.
Learn to take a hint, if even Kiwifarms thinks your bullshit politcal-sperging is a massive liability then you know you've fucked up.
The internet traffic doesn't matter if it means that the glowies are watching us.
 
Can someone fill me in on what happened in Jan 2016 ?

I'm one of the former GG spergs who found the farms by following the Allison Rapp drama. I was under the impression the user base started steadily growing a lot faster because of the attention over that and the greater attention is what brought the problems.

But that was like March or April 2016, what happened just before that ?
 
Niggas with 0 skin in the game and no real life expect a lot and will purity spiral (throw a tantrum) out of their ignorance. It's how children behave: ignorantly thinking a life spent trying to create or achieve is so easy so they're free to make demands of others. They're always relying on the content, infratructure or goodwill of others and so feel entitled to abuse it. The chans are full of this peculiar arrested development, really every intent forum of a certain size is rife with this stunted empathy. Part of being adult is realizing you can't endlessly demand people work harder for you. Children do not get this. But with kids it's innocent and we find it a little cute. Not so here.
As has been said Free Speech Ain't Free; and acting like it is and something you can petulently expect, devalues it.
Its kind of amazing to me faggots went "YOU DON'T LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY" and calling me a cuck in PMs. These people are fucking retarded children that don't understand that to an outside observer, Sig's comment is indistinguishable from a real threat. They have no idea who the fuck he is. Any Fed worth his fucking salt is going to investigate it. You know how much shit they get from missing things like this? Especially when everyone is on the edge of their seats over political violence. You have to be a tone deaf fucking retard to make a statement like that when we've had nearly 8+ months of rioting and 70+ million people thinking the election got stolen from them.

The danger of political violence is very high and if you're not cogent to that, I don't really know where the fuck they've been.
 
Can someone fill me in on what happened in Jan 2016 ?

I'm one of the former GG spergs who found the farms by following the Allison Rapp drama. I was under the impression the user base started steadily growing a lot faster because of the attention over that and the greater attention is what brought the problems.

But that was like March or April 2016, what happened just before that ?
trumps inauguration

edit: I don't feel like writing out a long form response to either null or any of the replies in this thread so here's a short form reply.

Sig was a fucking retard, and it seems like he knows it now.
First and foremost this website is for talking about weird people, not for people to display how absolute they can act regarding freeze peach. This is part of why Gab failed.
A&H is both a blight and a god send, but for the sake of the rest of the website it may need to be removed (even if temporarily).
Regarding a few of the karens in this thread championing the removal of A&H, and to the few kekistan, wignat, groyper retards vilifying null's decision here's some advice: stop a-logging a website you choose to interact with. You are literally part of the problem.
And to the retard using this thread to complain about the election: fucking rope yourself.

Like most things, it's not a matter of if but when this website stops being a thing. But like that one saying goes, "don't be sad that it ended, be happy that it happened"
 
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