WWE Champions General - Despite his claims, DSP is still spending thousands of dollars on the WWE Champions mobile game

[MemeGrey]

In other words, the guy made an account on the app with the sole purpose of making it look like phil.

Then spent a ton of money on it for 2 years before it was found?

And had enough disposable income AND free time to match his playing with Phils stream schedule?

Are there any Saudi Oil barons in the detractor discords?

 

[SauceRyuKen]

I don't think there is a way to prove it. He could show his phone but then people would say he deleted the app before showing it on stream. Even if he showed his credit card transactions (which no streamer should have to do), people would just say he didnt show the transactions for all of his credit cards and there is some secret one.

The people who have more information are the ones who did his bankruptcy hearing, and they decided that he was not spending money on this.



I did give you something to think about. The evidence is based on the mod dsp and the guild dsp having the same username + discriminator.

Sorry to hear about the person your love. Hope you feel better


The reason the guy wouldn't prove he is DSP is specifically because he is trying to make it look like its DSP. In other words, the guy made an account on the app with the sole purpose of making it look like phil. Then, when people tell him "take a selfie" he simply doesn't do it because he knows it will prove he is NOT dsp. I would fully agree with you if DSP had powdered sugar in his beard, but I don't think he does. And in this particular case, you have some guy looking at the camera on the CCTV checking to see who ate the donuts from the snack room.

Okay, you say you're not a DSP loremaster, so maybe you just don't know this. Scopely recently rolled out an update that let anyone track any user over browser. So DownFromTheRafters was immediately tracked and as it turns out, he's been logging in without missing a single day for three, almost four years.

There's, in layman's terms, NO FUCKING WAY IN HELL that a troll had THAT sort of patience AND money AND dedication. This is an op that had to start alllll the way back in 2017, be funded in a way that wasn't peanuts or recoverable by chargeback, and the chessmaster troll just sat on it, in spite of it being made to hurt Phil, for nearly three years until BT494 just happened to run into the name one day on the game.

Let's entertain the idea for half a second: Rafters isn't Phil. Why did Rafters have a very contained reaction to being called Phil? "People think I'm some streamer." Some streamer. It was ten seconds away from saying "He sounds like a handsome devil." Not The Guy, not some scammer on twitch, not king of scrubs... Some streamer. Exhibit 2: Why did Phil had a mini panic attack when he read Down from the rafters on his stream? Phil having a super thin skin and being extremely ban happy isn't news, so let's not even count the instant bans people who bring up WWEC on Phil's streams are greeted with. But why did Rafters ban any mention of MidFirstBank, Pandalee, KatBlackedYellowThong, TyroneNJim and other fun, harmless names? Did he get acquainted with Phil lore after the fact? And if he isn't Phil... Why does he care?


Phil wouldn't have to show his phone, he'd have to show the app. "No streamer should have to show his credit card charges" you say? Maybe Phil should. Maybe it'd be a nice, pahsitive way to really let the paypigs know what they're actually helping with. Again, if Phil could beat us the fuck out by showing that he REALLY is in dire financial straits, and he REALLY isn't Rafters, he would have. He's kind of a special case. We know he's feigning distress, and he knows he's feigning distress, and the same people are privvy to the fact that most of his money gets pissed away on WWE beefcake. But the paypigs don't know, and Twitch has to be able to claim some plausible deniability in the end of the day to justify still giving him a platform. Much like corrupt politicians will cry a river about muh privacy when they're asked for accountability, greaseball conman Phil will fire back with the same line. "None of your fucking business!" Sure. So you're just accepting that you give Phil money, because he really needs it, and then it's his money to do with as he pleases.

Not really how begging and getting help should work, but whatever. If a junkie asks you for a grand to get cleaned up and maybe back to school, and then blows it all on drugs, wouldn't you feel betrayed? I'm sure many of his paypigs have over the years. So maybe you can see how he could benefit from showing some accountability and actually showing all these phantom bills and ghost taxes he pays daily.

In the end, the theory that it is a 4D chess troll is simply too far fetched to be plausible. Again: The resources to put into the trolling plan. The patience to sit on it for three years, when by it's very nature, you'd want it to be found out sooner rather than later to hurt Phil. The ability to match Phil's speech and typing patterns to a degree a specialized AI thinks it's being had. I mean, fuck, I'm good at sock accounts, that's why my posts ever get more than two likes. It'll be a grand day when it comes out that 99% of the posts in the DSP subforum are done by me, ree, pretending to be about ten different people.

Or you know, all these other guys posting in styles greatly different from my own are just different people. And Rafters is Phil. Hanlon's razor. Conspiracy theories are fun though.

EDIT: And no, I don't count that time he posted a picture of his bulgy eyes and came to show us a folder full of white sheets of paper claiming to be showing us "Da bills and tahxes" as him actually showing jack shit.

 

[PieceofShet]

Can we not do this again? Maybe you can fuck off too? I have a feeling you came here to troll.

 

[actually]

But like I said there are people whose job it is to go through and track these transactions and they found nothing. The IRS wouldn't give me a tax return from over 2 years ago because of some claim about an expense I paid in my taxes. That process has still not been resolved. I would assume an actual bankruptcy court or lawyer would do WAY more digging especially into a bankruptcy hearing which deals with a lot more assets and expenses.

Thing is, Phil has no appreciable assets. You can tell from his bankruptcy paperwork. He had one checking account with some money in it. His CT condo is being foreclosed on. His WA condo is the only thing that has any value. I'd also point out that this wasn't a court or lawyers digging into his financials. This was one lady who only stood to gain anything from it (aside from a nominal fee) if she could identify actual assets to sell. She's in her 50s or 60s and almost certainly doesn't know her ass from her head when it comes to anything related to electronics. He could have said "microtransactions" and unless she 1) got a list of the games and 2) went to his YouTube to confirm that all the games were actually streamed, she would just take him at his word because it was easier and she wasn't getting shit from him anyway.

 

[DZoomer]

The people who have more information are the ones who did his bankruptcy hearing, and they decided that he was not spending money on this.

What? Where did you get that info from? The trustee probably just assumed that all game-related expenses were business-related and that was the end of it. We don't have any report telling us whether she did or did not see if Phil spends money on this game.

 

[AnOminous]

What? Where did you get that info from? The trustee probably just assumed that all game-related expenses were business-related and that was the end of it. We don't have any report telling us whether she did or did not see if Phil spends money on this game.

If they understood it at all it was as some kind of weird gambling habit. Sort of like if he'd blown it all on craps or heroin. That or just everyone simultaneously did the weakest job imaginable and just let him walk off with six figures of their money despite him having enough income to be on some kind of payment plan. Pure pigroach luck.

 

[QwahlityKahntent]

Idk, I'm a bit skeptical of all this, despite the fact I am not a fan of phil. If you look at every piece of evidence, really it comes down to few things where only 1 of them is damning:

1) They have the same names
2) Guy has the same profile pic and uses the app at times DSP is not on
3) Discord name + discriminator

1 and 2 can be easily explained by the fact that someone who doesnt like a phil a whole lot just making an account on the app and on discord and specifically logging on to the app whenever phil is offline.

Number 3 is the one that sticks out to me, and I assume most people here the most. Now idk much about discord, but apparently up to 10000 people can have the same username, the way this works is with the addition of a discriminator. So for example 2 people can have the username "sharpie" by having different discriminators sharpie#1234 sharpie#4321. Apparently, this combo is supposed to be unique (globally unique?) So no 2 people should have the same username+discriminator combo. But apparently you can do inspect element even on the discord desktop app. If this is the case, someone could easily change the discriminator on Mod DSP's username to make it look like the wwe dsp. As we know, there are mods that are not fans of phil anyway, so I wouldn't put this past them.

Edit: just tried it out with a server I'm part of, it's not difficult to make the discriminator look different via inspect element.

bro, it's fucking phil

 

[DiabeticSP]

Remember most whales probably have a 9-5 supporting their spending. Or other hobbies. Or a life outside the game.

Phil doesn't besides when he's on stream, so he has WAY more free time to fill with nothing else.

I'd love to see how many battles he does on a average stream day vs 'grocery' day.

 

[N0thingICanDo]

We all know its him

Why are we even arguing about this again?

How many times do you want to beat the dead horse (and pig, in this case)

 

[DZoomer]

Look on the bright side: if this is a massive gayops, we'll know about it pretty soon, since the troll wouldn't let the Farms get shut down without having the last laugh.

 

[Forbidden Math]

Why are we even arguing about this again?

It's an account made yesterday. One of DSP's fans maybe?

If so @sharpie it's red pill vs blue pill time. This is a long thread, feel free to go through it. I suggest starting with the first post which has bullet points of some of the major discoveries of the thread. If you are a fan, surely you remember how DSP crows about how detractors got the "escort" thing wrong. Funny how he doesn't seem to do that with WWE Champions and seems reluctant to discuss it other than to express how much it threatened his bankruptcy. Gee, if it was all a lie then why would it threaten his bankruptcy? So many questions with DSP, so few good answers.

 

[King of Not Playing Games]

There's more evidence that DownFromTheRafters is DSP than there was evidence that DSP deserved his bankruptcy.

 

[UncleTusky]

If you are a fan, surely you remember how DSP crows about how detractors got the "escort" thing wrong. Funny how he doesn't seem to do that with WWE Champions and seems reluctant to discuss it other than to express how much it threatened his bankruptcy. Gee, if it was all a lie then why would it threaten his bankruptcy? So many questions with DSP, so few good answers

Lest we forget, part of the reason "Mystery Woman" wasn't found out sooner was that Phil was actually flying a woman out to meet him and even bragged about seeing her at the airport on Twitter. That right there made the Bronsgeests' job a hundred times easier, he gave them a ready made cover story and they were able to point to his own words to support their credibility. Combine that with searches of public records like airplane arrival/departure times and locations and they had all they needed.

 

[Cyber Bowling]

Adding onto (and hopefully not reposting) the evidence for it being Phil and not a troll, if it was a troll, why would they try and hide? The whole entire point of trolling/impersonating Phil would be making it obvious enough for detractors to find it. Hell, if it was a troll, you'd think the person would actually LARP as Phil once found, kind of like how First Eagle 1 or whatever during the escort saga posted pretend conversations/details. Instead, this person changed their name and continues to play the game and try to join clans, often making up excuses or trying to hide the fact that he is "Phil". They're also actively participating in events and constantly getting new characters. Again, if they were just impersonating Phil and setting up a troll scheme, they'd keep the DSP name, and just post in a guild Discord or whatever things like "I just spent 2k on this pull" they wouldn't have to actually spend any money. Or even if you want to argue they really wanted to make it authentic, they could just add a character and not boost them up to max level or whatever.

As far as DSP being able to deny it, I'll acknowledge that whatever proof DSP provides would be heavily scrutinized and some might come up with reasons not to accept it. But DSP hasn't even tried. The easiest way for him to disprove it is just to list his old account. He said he used to play the game, but wasn't that active/isn't still playing now. Cool, what account did he play under? If he provided that basic information and we could check the account and confirm what he said, it would help his case. Wouldn't be 100% proof or anything, but I think it would cause at least some doubt.

There's also other little things too, like Phil lying about not having/knowing how to use discord, only to have discord setup. We know Phil isn't talking with fans or his friends, so it seems pretty likely that he'd be using it solely for his guild chat. And then there's the history of Phil whaling on other games with the exact same name, him admitting he plays the game then trying to retcon it to say he never did, his fondness for wrestling, his repeated history of using the same exact username over and over, it answering the question of where a large chunk of his disposal income goes etc.

 

[strandedcastaway]

If they understood it at all it was as some kind of weird gambling habit. Sort of like if he'd blown it all on craps or heroin. That or just everyone simultaneously did the weakest job imaginable and just let him walk off with six figures of their money despite him having enough income to be on some kind of payment plan. Pure pigroach luck.

In the bankruptcy, Phil said he had $5000 or more a month in business expenses EACH MONTH. He won't pay for a controller on his own, so we knew that was bullshit. The only thing he spends that kind of cash on is WWE Champions. He was able to convince Nancy those PayPal microtransactions were for games he played on his stream (and let's face it, to someone who doesn't watch Phil every day, what sounds more logical---that he's racking up all of these business-related expenses so he has games to play on stream, or that he's some kind of gaming addict burning through thousands of dollars a month for a mobile game?) and he got the bankruptcy. So not really luck, just a boomer investigator who wanted Phil (and spergs like us emailing her constantly) off her case schedule ASAP so she could move on.

 

[ReentryPhantom]

So we can assume that the money he was using for paying the credit cards and the CT mortgage now all goes to underwear man-drama gifs.

 

[King of Not Playing Games]

I mean, it's not even a question of the controller. He doesn't spend money on the business. He buys games, 4 or 5 a month possibly, but nothing that adds up to the 5 grand figure he put in his bankruptcy. Even if he were... I don't know, claiming all of his utilities are business related, as opposed to just the portion that supports his work... there's just no way to account for that five grand. And with the knowledge of the gatcha autists here, we know dropping thousands on WWE Champions isn't even really blinked at, despite Scopley being particularly skeevy with the practice. Even if you didn't believe DSP spent that much money on the game—and you really, really really need to look at what's presented here if you think that—you need to come up with another explanation. Where is all the money going? Why did DSP say he spent 5 grand a month on his business when it's not true?

 

[UncleTusky]

So we can assume that the money he was using for paying the credit cards and the CT mortgage now all goes to underwear man-drama gifs.

No way of knowing since we discovered the account about three months after he stopped paying.

We know he wasted that money from the $1,000 (+ or -) cash listed on his bankruptcy forms but it could just as easily have been on impulse buys like home furnishings or kitchen gadgets. The main argument in support of this is how he hasn't done house tours for a few years at this point - he loves to flex but he's also learned over the years that even his idiot viewers realize he must have some money if he bought all that stuff.

 

[BT9494]

so we believe phil, who has a near 15 year history of lying about everything for no discernable reason?



prove it. i want to see your numbers. we have math from people who play the game that gets us close to 100k, if you dispute this, show me the numbers. right now.



so you're accusing @BT9494 of faking all of this to fuck with phil? he's the one who found the account and made this thread, so if anyone is trolling to make this happen, he is the only suspect. otherwise you're arguing a troll created this account, played the game for years, with out telling anyone, until BT949 found the account by per chance. which is it? is BT949 the troll or is the troll a brilliant future seerer? tell me.



no, you're looking at evidence and going "nuh uh" with out presenting anything else. you want an alternate theory? show me your numbers. answer my question about BT949, show me an actual alternate possibility instead of just looking at what we have and going "i don't think this is true"

i'm suffering from a broken heart right now, and i'm going to be taking it out on you because you decided to come in here and shit up this thread with your autism. fuck you, answer me.

I am sorry to report that I don't have an extra $50,000 (or whatever it is at this point) laying around to "own" Phil.

 

[sharpie]

Okay, you say you're not a DSP loremaster, so maybe you just don't know this. Scopely recently rolled out an update that let anyone track any user over browser. So DownFromTheRafters was immediately tracked and as it turns out, he's been logging in without missing a single day for three, almost four years.

Yeah i dont have a response to that one, that's interesting.

There's, in layman's terms, NO FUCKING WAY IN HELL that a troll had THAT sort of patience AND money AND dedication. This is an op that had to start alllll the way back in 2017, be funded in a way that wasn't peanuts or recoverable by chargeback, and the chessmaster troll just sat on it, in spite of it being made to hurt Phil, for nearly three years until BT494 just happened to run into the name one day on the game.

Let's entertain the idea for half a second: Rafters isn't Phil. Why did Rafters have a very contained reaction to being called Phil? "People think I'm some streamer." Some streamer. It was ten seconds away from saying "He sounds like a handsome devil." Not The Guy, not some scammer on twitch, not king of scrubs... Some streamer. Exhibit 2: Why did Phil had a mini panic attack when he read Down from the rafters on his stream? Phil having a super thin skin and being extremely ban happy isn't news, so let's not even count the instant bans people who bring up WWEC on Phil's streams are greeted with. But why did Rafters ban any mention of MidFirstBank, Pandalee, KatBlackedYellowThong, TyroneNJim and other fun, harmless names? Did he get acquainted with Phil lore after the fact? And if he isn't Phil... Why does he care?

Then why did Phil continue to use the same name? If he's scared that he was found out he would just change his name again. And what do you mean "Rafters banned ...", banned from what? I assume you mean contacting him on the app, which if it's a troll would probably do because he doesn't want to be found out.

Phil wouldn't have to show his phone, he'd have to show the app. "No streamer should have to show his credit card charges" you say? Maybe Phil should. Maybe it'd be a nice, pahsitive way to really let the paypigs know what they're actually helping with. Again, if Phil could beat us the fuck out by showing that he REALLY is in dire financial straits, and he REALLY isn't Rafters, he would have. He's kind of a special case. We know he's feigning distress, and he knows he's feigning distress, and the same people are privvy to the fact that most of his money gets pissed away on WWE beefcake. But the paypigs don't know, and Twitch has to be able to claim some plausible deniability in the end of the day to justify still giving him a platform. Much like corrupt politicians will cry a river about muh privacy when they're asked for accountability, greaseball conman Phil will fire back with the same line. "None of your fucking business!" Sure. So you're just accepting that you give Phil money, because he really needs it, and then it's his money to do with as he pleases.

If phil doesn't play the game he doesn't have the app right? And if he logged out and deleted the app and he was asked to redownload, if it was him he would just pretend to sign in to a new account. I don't think showing his phone or not doing so is a reliable source of evidence. Also, no, a streamer does not have to show his credit card bills no matter what. When you're donating you're donating to the streamer, for whatever purposes. If the streamer streams for a living, he's not obligated to report that he spent $X on groceries and put $Y in the bank. If he spends $5 on coffee you can't go to him and say "Hey! I donated that $5 so that you could buy food! I didn't authorize you to buy coffee!". Also I don't know what you mean by this plausible deniability stuff lol. DSP isn't Hassan Bokhari. They don't care what DSP does so long as it doesnt violate twitch TOS.

Not really how begging and getting help should work, but whatever. If a junkie asks you for a grand to get cleaned up and maybe back to school, and then blows it all on drugs, wouldn't you feel betrayed? I'm sure many of his paypigs have over the years. So maybe you can see how he could benefit from showing some accountability and actually showing all these phantom bills and ghost taxes he pays daily.

In the end, the theory that it is a 4D chess troll is simply too far fetched to be plausible. Again: The resources to put into the trolling plan. The patience to sit on it for three years, when by it's very nature, you'd want it to be found out sooner rather than later to hurt Phil. The ability to match Phil's speech and typing patterns to a degree a specialized AI thinks it's being had. I mean, fuck, I'm good at sock accounts, that's why my posts ever get more than two likes. It'll be a grand day when it comes out that 99% of the posts in the DSP subforum are done by me, ree, pretending to be about ten different people.

I'm not saying its 100% a troll. I'm saying that to me the current evidence is flimsy because a lot of people don't like phil and given the type of trolling he's gotten, it wouldn't shock me that someone would spend money on an app to make it look like phil. But I could care less.

Adding onto (and hopefully not reposting) the evidence for it being Phil and not a troll, if it was a troll, why would they try and hide?

As far as DSP being able to deny it, I'll acknowledge that whatever proof DSP provides would be heavily scrutinized and some might come up with reasons not to accept it. But DSP hasn't even tried. The easiest way for him to disprove it is just to list his old account. He said he used to play the game, but wasn't that active/isn't still playing now. Cool, what account did he play under? If he provided that basic information and we could check the account and confirm what he said, it would help his case. Wouldn't be 100% proof or anything, but I think it would cause at least some doubt.

They would hide because the more they hide the more it looks like Phil. There are definitely very dedicated trolls out there who go out of their way to ruin a streamer's life in general. Given the troll community around Phil, this is not out of the realm of possibility. But yeah, ill give you that for a trolling effort, unless you really dislike phil, spending money is abnormal. Personally, I believed it was probably just a random guy. The thing that was weird to me is that the mod DSP and guild DSP had the same profile pic.

i haven't spent hours scrutinizing everything dsp said, so my only rebuttal to the last paragraph is that most people talk in a hyperbolic way. Like if someone asked me if I played soccer when I was a kid, I'd say yeah. But in reality I played for a few weeks here and there after school and did nothing with it really. If you ask someone who actually played consistently on a legitimate team very frequently if they played soccer, they'd probably say yeah too. But the "yeah"s mean very different things between me and that other person. Similarly, maybe Phil played these games a few times or on and off when he was bored, that doesnt mean he spent large amounts of time or money on it.