Biting the hand that feeds - A brief history of the Kiwi Farms and why A&T is the redheaded stepchild of the site.

[Ivan Shatov]

I will turn you to line 3 in Null's statement: "If you believe this site has been compromised by a government entity, I strongly encourage you to leave".
The fact that you think Null doing the bare minimum to comply with one of the most powerful apparatuses of the most powerful state in the world is "concerning" suggests you fall into this category.

Please. I just said I agree with his action.

Risk / reward. Null made a mistake with this post. He openly stated he lacks the means to resist government pressure.

Right now, they're asking about a poster who talked about going on a shooting spree. Now that they know where to stick the boot, they can come after posters for less clear reasons.

It's the equivalent of telling everyone in your neighborhood you don't own a gun.

pretending that all of the shittiest people on your end of the political spectrum are all glowies or faking it is genuinely hilarious, regardless of which side you're on. I am begging to see the conspiracy board you keep in your basement.

Explain what side of the spectrum I'm on. Would help me to know.

In the early 2000s, there were a series of high-profile news stories about the FBI capturing terrorists plotting attacks on government buildings. Turned out they had an informant who was talking up people he met online into meeting him IRL to receive non-existant guns. bombs and rockets.

Michigan seemed like the same situation. Not a fan.

 

[Goofy Logic]

Please. I just said I agree with his action.

Risk / reward. Null made a mistake with this post. He openly stated he lacks the means to resist government pressure.

Right now, they're asking about a poster who talked about going on a shooting spree. Now that they know where to stick the boot, they can come after posters for less clear reasons.

It's the equivalent of telling everyone in your neighborhood you don't own a gun.

I think you are overly paranoid to think that this is some sort of slippery slope.

Null has specifically said that he would hand over information requested by law enforcement if the trolling plans got criminal. He's not interested in protecting you if you go and do something stupid that threatens the stability of the site, and Sig's post did just that.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

After what happened in Michigan, I get the sense there are no right wing groups, just LARPers and informants.

Damn bro it took you years to catch up to something that's, by this point, a complete meme that's been done to death everywhere

 

[Dutch Courage]

Where does null rent an apartment for less than $750? That sounds pretty ghetto...

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Damn bro it took you years to catch up to something that's, by this point, a complete meme that's been done to death everywhere

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I will admit to being a little slow on some things.

I was more tuned in to what they were doing in amateur cybersecurity research communities in the early 2000s. Answer a question about a firewall in an IRC channel, get your door kicked in a couple weeks later because the shit who asked was an informant.

Dunno if you remember this genius: https://archive.vn/VxCz7

He had the same name as the attorney general when he was arrested. Could not keep them straight. A lot of people got caught up in that for what sounded to be innocent behavior.

 

[Cherry Popcicle.]

The fact that we have to tell people "Don't threaten to shoot people" is sad. Why do people have to be such spergs

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Please. I just said I agree with his action.

Risk / reward. Null made a mistake with this post. He openly stated he lacks the means to resist government pressure.

Please explain how, exactly, Null should have been able to "resist pressure" from the United States federal government coming after something that meets the narrowest possible definition of a terroristic threat (declaring a highly specific action within the realm of plausibility at a specific location and date that aligns with an actual event that would make an appealing target for a terrorist attack) without them fucking his entire shit up. Are you really going to argue that Null should have fought for the "right" to glowpost so hard that actual federal agencies are forced to get off of their ass and take notice? Because, despite the noises you make about agreeing with him, it sure sounds like you think he should have.

Right now, they're asking about a poster who talked about going on a shooting spree. Now that they know where to stick the boot, they can come after posters for less clear reasons.

Okay, so it sounds like Line 3 does apply to you after all- you think the site's compromised by the FBI and CIA and now they can come after users for whatever reason they want to make up. Once again: if you believe this, you should take Null's advice and leave.

 

[Saigon63]

He's talked about this before, running this website has really fucked up his reputation, so while he's well-qualified for many IT jobs there's practically nobody who will hire him, likely out of fear of the inevitable shitstorm they'd receive if anyone found out. I reckon he'd have the same problem with a startup, nobody would want to invest in something involving the owner of the notorious Kiwi Farms because it would be inherently high-risk.

I know man, and that is total horseshit. Fuck those shitbags. That’s why I’ve been trying actively get people together to get something real going. Fuck those fags, we can build our own eNodeB’s and use LoRa Gateways and Uncle Chang holed out out infrastructure to Swiss so getting it is

I had multiple years into the project that got fucking wiped trying to build it and some gook bitch destroys it using cheats then talks down to me. Fuck these people. I’ll build my own fucking network with blackjack and hookers. They can get fucked.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Please explain how, exactly, Null should have been able to "resist pressure" from the United States federal government coming after something that meets the narrowest possible definition of a terroristic threat (declaring a highly specific action within the realm of plausibility at a specific location and date that aligns with an actual event that would make an appealing target for a terrorist attack) without them fucking his entire shit up. Are you really going to argue that Null should have fought for the "right" to glowpost so hard that actual federal agencies are forced to get off of their ass and take notice? Because, despite the noises you make about agreeing with him, it sure sounds like you think he should have.

Okay, so it sounds like Line 3 does apply to you after all- you think the site's compromised by the FBI and CIA and now they can come after users for whatever reason they want to make up. Once again: if you believe this, you should take Null's advice and leave.

I never said he should have. I said he should cooperate if someone is talking about shooting up a bunch of people. That's not good for anyone.

I posted scans of census pages from the 1800s demonstrating Joe Biden is a direct descendant of a slave owning family who profited from their labor and the slave trade itself.

If the FBI ever comes calling about entirely legal activity, how does he respond? We have recent examples of politically-motivated FBI dragnets and Null is advertising the fact he's not financially able to resist them.

People should be concerned about that. I appreciate the openness and transparency from the site operator, but I wonder if those kinds of details should be exposed. Glowies look for weaknesses to exploit.

 

[AnOminous]

If the FBI ever comes calling about entirely legal activity, how does he respond? We have recent examples of politically-motivated FBI dragnets and Null is advertising the fact he's not financially able to resist them.

If they really want to they'll just seize the server wherever it is, even overseas, and compromise everyone and there's no amount of lawyering that will stop them even if he had unlimited funds.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

If they really want to they'll just seize the server wherever it is, even overseas, and compromise everyone and there's no amount of lawyering that will stop them even if he had unlimited funds.

Yes, in extreme cases they do that.

Why would they if they could just send a letter knowing someone doesn't have the resources to do anything but comply?

Admittedly, that's a safe assumption for 90% of the work they do. I just question the wisdom of advertising the fact.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

I never said he should have. I said he should cooperate if someone is talking about shooting up a bunch of people. That's not good for anyone.

I posted scans of census pages from the 1800s demonstrating Joe Biden is a direct descendant of a slave owning family who profited from their labor and the slave trade itself.

If the FBI ever comes calling about entirely legal activity, how does he respond? We have recent examples of politically-motivated FBI dragnets and Null is advertising the fact he's not financially able to resist them.

People should be concerned about that. I appreciate the openness and transparency from the site operator, but I wonder if those kinds of details should be exposed. Glowies look for weaknesses to exploit.

If you think that's something the CIA is going to do fucking wetwork over, you are on crack cocaine. You can trace pretty much every old-money family's tree back to slaveholders in the US, regardless of political affiliation. Biden's great-great-grandpappy owning niggers is never going to be the kiss of death for his career, because only the fringe of the fringe of the left believe in the sins of the father passing down to the seventh generation when it comes to shit like that.

 

[seri0us]

Every day I am amazed and question just where these edgy fucks find the audacity.

It's the Internet; do you really think most of the people online "find the audacity" to write up whatever inane bullshit they post?

 

[Ivan Shatov]

If you think that's something the CIA is going to do fucking wetwork over, you are on crack cocaine. You can trace pretty much every old-money family's tree back to slaveholders in the US, regardless of political affiliation. Biden's great-great-grandpappy owning niggers is never going to be the kiss of death for his career, because only the fringe of the fringe of the left believe in the sins of the father passing down to the seventh generation when it comes to shit like that.

Wetwork means offing someone.

More likely a dragnet meant to sweep up anyone who doesn't agree with election results. The key to a color revolution is censorship in extreme forms.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Wetwork means offing someone.

More likely a dragnet meant to sweep up anyone who doesn't agree with election results. The key to a color revolution is censorship in extreme forms.

Right, so you are on even more crack if you think you'll be unpersoned for this information. Still sounds like line 3 applies to you.
If you are here to try and LARP as #TheResistance and think this site should be a planning site for the counter-revolution instead of a place to laugh at lolcows, or has a moral obligation to host a subsection that's meant to act as a planning site for the counter-revolution, please leave.

 

[Rekkington]

You can trace pretty much every old-money family's tree back to slaveholders in the US

Not really, even the older ones like the Rockafellers weren't slave owners. In fact that's the entire crux of that PBS show where they investigate peoples' family trees, celebrities and rich people. For the rich people who did have slave ownership ties, it was also like 150+ years of being middle or lower class until one of them invested in real estate or some shit, that's the reason they are all so surprised.

Otherwise you're correct because the stories center completely around the big reveal of "oh so you're a liberal/progressive? Well guess what YOU OWNED NIGGAS AAAAAAAAAAA" which as we can see has no cultural capital.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Not really, even the older ones like the Rockafellers weren't slave owners. In fact that's the entire crux of that PBS show where they investigate peoples' family trees, celebrities and rich people. For the rich people who did have slave ownership ties, it was also like 150+ years of being middle or lower class until one of them invested in real estate or some shit, that's the reason they are all so surprised.

Otherwise you're correct because the stories center completely around the big reveal of "oh so you're a liberal/progressive? Well guess what YOU OWNED NIGGAS AAAAAAAAAAA" which as we can see has no cultural capital.

Thank you for correcting me; I'll admit to engaging in unnecessary hyperbole there. The idea that the alphabet agencies are going to swarm this place because some people disagree with the mainstream/don't worship Joe Blow as the Second Coming is as inane as the idea that Trump was going to use the alphabet agencies to arrest every news agency that disagrees with him. If they didn't come for us hosting tapes of Hunter smoking crack and fucking bitches, they aren't going to come for some evidence Joe's related to literal crackers.

 

[Rekkington]

Thank you for correcting me; I'll admit to engaging in unnecessary hyperbole there.

[panics autistically] y-you too....

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Right, so you are on even more crack if you think you'll be unpersoned for this information. Still sounds like line 3 applies to you.
If you are here to try and LARP as #TheResistance and think this site should be a planning site for the counter-revolution instead of a place to laugh at lolcows, or has a moral obligation to host a subsection that's meant to act as a planning site for the counter-revolution, please leave.

Fuck you, your advice and your analysis, halfwit. How do you even operate a keyboard?

The right and proper response is to establish a Kiwi Farms Legal Defense Fund and get it generating 8 figures annually.

Not a GoFundMe with an attorney, an IOLTA account, etc. that can be tracked back to specific people. Something that monetizes cows without being specifically affiliated with Null or this forum.

The Farm's collective knowledge of the bullshit people do to make money on the Interwebs is staggering. Putting it to work steelplanking the site against future legal threats is probably the next natural step in the site's evolution.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Fuck you, your advice and your analysis, halfwit. How do you even operate a keyboard?

The right and proper response is to establish a Kiwi Farms Legal Defense Fund and get it generating 8 figures annually.

Not a GoFundMe with an attorney, an IOLTA account, etc. that can be tracked back to specific people. Something that monetizes cows without being specifically affiliated with Null or this forum.

The Farm's collective knowledge of the bullshit people do to make money on the Interwebs is staggering. Putting it to work steelplanking the site against future legal threats is probably the next natural step in the site's evolution.

Then how about you go set that up instead of getting big mad about me telling you to not LARP as a White Russian? Channel that anger constructively instead of whining about Null not being enough of an ideological purist for you.