Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

[Otterly]

I dont know. Doctors are trying to move away from benzo's where possible because they are so addictive and a high percentage of people with a prescription will at some point abuse them, even if only once or twice. BuSpar being a thing, and SSRI's and SNRI's often being good for long-term anxiety, means that they are only really necessary for short-term treatment, like to relax before a procedure or whatnot.
Always fun when you see a 60-something year old middle-class woman admitted to a drug and alkie unit for benzo detox (which can kill you, which is why they have to be inpatient), because back in the 80's they started taking benzos because why not (mother's little helper and all that) and they've been on it 30+ years. Havent seen this so much in the US, but saw several cases in the UK of GP's who indiscriminately put women on them for vague symptoms of anxiety or stress, and then each subsequent GP just kept renewing the script with no questions about if she actually still needed it. Which of course she did by then, she was physically and mentally dependant on it.

Benzos are a weird one because to put someone on them past anything like a week worth after something terrible /single use for chill out if you’re terrified of flying kinda thing as a new start is virtually impossible and you’re supposed to do medication reviews and blah blah. But there are for sure plenty of legacy patients who are dependent and it’s not worth the hassle and danger of detox if they’re using below a certain level. There are an unbelievable number of women in the UK in the 30-65 yo bracket with pretty bad booze and benzo habits.
So the answer is you can’t in the uk. Your mileage will vary in other countries.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

As far as I know, bars aren't heavily manufactured or prescribed as one dose in the US.

I don't think Pfizer even makes them anymore, although there is a generic 2mg.

The only real indication for alprazolam is treatment-refractory recurrent panic attacks, 'cause it works like magic for that. You're getting into trouble rxing it for generalized anxiety disorder or something and having a patient take it every day.

 

[Special spoonie]

I was just coming here to post these. She’s morphing back into a floppy drooltard

Lmao she’s back and speaking straight away. A bloody miracle id say considering how long she used to “lose her voice” for before.

 

[JanuaryViolet]

Funny how she "faints" so slowly, she just folds gently to the ground, usually with her arms sheltering her face. None of the usual abrupt faceplants and cracked teeth for this princess!

My god she is a *terrible* actress. I can't believe anyone falls for this shit.

 

[yourdadscumdumpster]

I don't think Pfizer even makes them anymore, although there is a generic 2mg.

The only real indication for alprazolam is treatment-refractory recurrent panic attacks, 'cause it works like magic for that. You're getting into trouble rxing it for generalized anxiety disorder or something and having a patient take it every day.

Correct. Pfizer Xanax is now in a 2mg football. Only generics come in bars, although of course plenty of OG bars still floating around from the days of pill mills giving out 180 each of Soma, Xanax, and Oxy or Vicodins.

 

[vanilla_pepsi_head]

PL, but vaguely related...
I've seen someone "faint", just like that. The reason: so she could leave work early for a Halloween party because I wouldn't stay late for her. After the boss called the ambulance, which took her to the hospital (spoiler, nothing was wrong, but now that I think about it, she may actually have been a munchie due to other things she did), bitch had the gall to not only come back to pick up her halloween costume, but also returned to work a few days later like nothing happened. I did end up having to stay anyway, and I knew she was faking, so I refused to work with her after that.
Edited to cover PL

If someone passes out often enough that they can tell when it's going to happen and know better than to try and fight it, they usually know how not to hit the ground like a ton of bricks. It still doesn't look like that though, it usually just involves sitting down and putting your head down or your knees up (sitting on the ground if necessary) which is not nearly as dramatic. Also they are usually noticeably pale and dripping sweat. What I have literally never seen is someone feel faint, then whip out a fucking tripod. Is that for the benefit of social media? Because I cannot imagine the balls out absurdity of showing that to a doctor.

 

[vapewilder]

If someone passes out often enough that they can tell when it's going to happen and know better than to try and fight it, they usually know how not to hit the ground like a ton of bricks. It still doesn't look like that though, it usually just involves sitting down and putting your head down or your knees up (sitting on the ground if necessary) which is not nearly as dramatic. Also they are usually noticeably pale and dripping sweat. What I have literally never seen is someone feel faint, then whip out a fucking tripod. Is that for the benefit of social media? Because I cannot imagine the balls out absurdity of showing that to a doctor.

Every time i donate blood, i pass out. Doesnt matter how many cookies or how much juice i have afterwards, it might happen as i get out of the chair or it might happen 2 hours later, but it's happening. Now you might, say "dont donate blood then", im one of those lucky individuals blessed with a rare blood type so i kind of feel like i should do it even though it makes me feel like shit after. Anyway, i've gotten to the point where i know the signs (feeling clammy, sweaty, not sure if you're going to puke or black out, you know the drill), so i know to lie down on the floor asap or im going down like a sack of potatoes. Usually i lie down, pass out for a few seconds, if i have someone with me who is familiar with my post-donation antics, they tell people there's no need to call an ambulance, if im on my lonesome some well meaning soul always calls them and i have to explain to a paramedic that no, i dont need to go in, im fine, just missing a pint of the red stuff and need to go home and sleep it off.

But in my whole life, i have never done the "graceful swoon to the ground, carefully shielding my face" crap that the munchies do. By the time you actually faint, you're no longer in control of any of that, and it's the first sign that they are faking, if they always faint in such a way that they dont hit their head/ faceplant etc

 

[Behavioral Sink]

The whole "how do they get away with it" issue? A busy doctor has a thousand patients who are not munchies. They have no reason to question a patient self-report because most of them aren't lying. (Except about how much they smoke or drink, maybe.) Munchies are rare enough in the wild that it doesn't make sense to be suspicious of your patients, until there's a real red flag. Malingerers are probably more common than true munchies. And they're often not worth arguing with.

It would never occur to most doctors that someone would *want* an tube or procedure they didn't need. But certain specialties are catching on. The specialist clinic where I live knows there are lots of young women who want EDS, so it's been red flagged. They're more suspicious, and don't give the diagnosis out without good reason. They stick to "hypermobility"-- a more manageable diagnosis and prognosis. There's a better chance of moving them along, and off the path of munch, if you take them somewhat seriously but don't give them a fixed diagnostic label. They need to feel listened to, and like they're being treated-- and they need to be given a path to "save face".

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bitching because of the things people say to everyone who has any symptom or illness, this is annoying, but insanely common. Chances are if you've ever even had a cold, you've been given some bullshit advice, like 'eat better, work out, do yoga, try essential oils, crystals, etc" but this one takes it as a personal attack on her relying on her "medical aids" and threatens people with physical harm.

Everyone gets bullshit advice, but most of us know how to smile and nod. We ignore the advice, but recognize that even if it's wrong or ineffective or patronizing-- it comes from a place of caring. People just want to help.

What's funny about munchies is how they get so offended by *legitimate* advice. People who actually have EDS will tell you that exercise and conditioning is the most helpful long-term pain relief. But munchies don't want to feel better, or hear from anyone who had positive outcomes themselves.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

The whole "how do they get away with it" issue? A busy doctor has a thousand patients who are not munchies. They have no reason to question a patient self-report because most of them aren't lying. (Except about how much they smoke or drink, maybe.) Munchies are rare enough in the wild that it doesn't make sense to be suspicious of your patients, until there's a real red flag. Malingerers are probably more common than true munchies. And they're often not worth arguing with.

I've only seen a handful of for-real munchies across my entire career. Malingerers are a daily thing though.

 

[Pineapple Fox]

I've only seen a handful of for-real munchies across my entire career. Malingerers are a daily thing though.

What are the differences between the two?

 

[eternal dog mongler]

What are the differences between the two?

Malingerers are going for some sort of tangible gain from their illness faking. Medicaid, SSDI, good drugs. Stuff like that. It's a very focused strategy. Munchies I have no idea what they're getting out of it except attention.

Plus the symptom cluster is different. With malingerers it's a lot of chronic pain with no objective clinical signs (like whiplash.) Munchies tend to go for weirder shit.

 

[vapewilder]

Malingerers are going for some sort of tangible gain from their illness faking. Medicaid, SSDI, good drugs. Stuff like that. It's a very focused strategy. Munchies I have no idea what they're getting out of it except attention.

Plus the symptom cluster is different. With malingerers it's a lot of chronic pain with no objective clinical signs (like whiplash.) Munchies tend to go for weirder shit.

Yeah, the Munchies love that "zebra" shit, they eat it up (look at all the zebra-print mobility aids, and general munch-merch there is out there now), and the weirder the diagnosis, the better. I think that's why the "coveted" diagnoses evolve the way they do. One munchie claims EDS, POTS etc, declares themselves a "zebra" for having a dx that nobody else has. Then more munchies cotton on to the diagnosis and want a piece of the zebra pie, so they get the dx too. Soon there are so many "zebras" out there with identical diagnosis profiles that they cant really call themselves a zebra any more. So one of them goes after a new, rarer dx and the cycle starts all over again.

 

[Ellesse_warrior]

DPMIW posted a video complaining about children getting excited about seeing her dog following on from her complaining about children in the mall video. Grumpy bitch needs to get a life.

Spoiler: ARCHIVE 12.9.2020 || Extra Salty Rant About Unruly Children And Their Handlers.

 

[large_farva]

DPMIW posted a really obnoxious video of her trip to the mall. Complains numerous times about children making noise in her presence and another dog barking in her presence. Some kids run past her and she has a meltdown and sits on the floor in a Mac store. At the end of the video she says she had a great time at the mall which I wouldn't have known if she hadn't said it because the whole video she was just acting like a miserable cow.

Spoiler: ARCHIVE 12.6.2020 | 🐕‍🦺🤕 Fake Service Dog And Shoplifters Cause Medical Episode

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If she didn't solely want attention, then she wouldn't be recording every single second of her little outing during a pandemic.

DPMIW posted a video complaining about children getting excited about seeing her dog following on from her complaining about children in the mall video. Grumpy bitch needs to get a life.

Spoiler: ARCHIVE 12.9.2020 || Extra Salty Rant About Unruly Children And Their Handlers.

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lol "get your untrained children away from me and my dog, reeee!"
Also nikki - literally pisses herself on purpose for attention

edit to add another attention whore with a dog:

https://www.tiktok.com/@cactushands

Here we have another version of dontpetmeimworking. This one is, 'Don't look at me while I'm dissociating for attention"
I notice a theme with people who are insecure about having a "service dog" and constantly project that insecurity about having a fake service dog for emotional reasons, there is always a fucking camera recording. There's always a camera. Because you can't have a service dog without also recording every single moment you feel the projected insecurity about the fact that you're dragging a shedding, barking, leaking, nasty smelling pet everywhere with you for attention.
If a munchie faced discrimination because they sat on the floor of a busy supermarket to pet their dog, but there were no cameras around to reee to, did it actually happen?

"Quick, record me while I dissociate so badly I don't know what I'm even doing" said no person suffering from dissociation ever.

 

[vapewilder]

Dontpetmeimfaking needs to realize that part of bringing your pet out with you everywhere you go, is shit like kids coming up to you. It sucks sometimes because you just want to do what you're out to do (i dont bring my dog everywhere i go, but often get stopped by kids asking if they can pet him when im walking him etc), but it's part of having a dog. If you cant handle it, stop taking your damn dog to the mall! Also, if kids trigger you that badly, stop going out in public and just stay home and fester in your hovel. I really dont get the whole "hatred of kids" thing. You see it all the time on forums like Reddit, people posting shit about how "every time" they go out for a meal at a fancy restaurant, the meal is ruined by "screaming children running around". My conclusion is, they're actually eating at Chuck E Cheese's, because i have never once been to a restaurant that wasnt somewhere like Crapplebees kind of caliber where i've even SEEN children, let alone had to deal with them running around the restaurant screaming. It kind of gives the impression that these people havent ever really been around kids, so run with the stereotype that all kids just constantly scream and cannot be controlled.

Like, i totally support people not wanting to have kids. It shouldnt be the social norm that you're expected to pop a few out as par for the course in life. But you can tell the ones who really hate kids, like DPMIF, because they wont even tolerate a child NEAR them. A decently behaved child, not screaming or being disruptive, just looking at your dog or asking to pet her, or even just having the audacity to breathe near them, is the end of the fucking world. And when they re-tell the story, the kid is always harassing them or in some way being an unpleasant little shit, because they need to really hammer the point home that the CHILD is the problem, and not the complainer's shitty attitude. Not to say that some kids arent shitty, some are. But if every time you encounter a kid, you describe them as doing something negative or actively harassing you? What's that saying, about if you meet one asshole in a day, you met an asshole. If everyone you meet is an asshole, YOU'RE the asshole.

 

[GrumbleBum2]

Dontpetmeimfaking needs to realize that part of bringing your pet out with you everywhere you go, is shit like kids coming up to you. It sucks sometimes because you just want to do what you're out to do (i dont bring my dog everywhere i go, but often get stopped by kids asking if they can pet him when im walking him etc), but it's part of having a dog. If you cant handle it, stop taking your damn dog to the mall! Also, if kids trigger you that badly, stop going out in public and just stay home and fester in your hovel. I really dont get the whole "hatred of kids" thing. You see it all the time on forums like Reddit, people posting shit about how "every time" they go out for a meal at a fancy restaurant, the meal is ruined by "screaming children running around". My conclusion is, they're actually eating at Chuck E Cheese's, because i have never once been to a restaurant that wasnt somewhere like Crapplebees kind of caliber where i've even SEEN children, let alone had to deal with them running around the restaurant screaming. It kind of gives the impression that these people havent ever really been around kids, so run with the stereotype that all kids just constantly scream and cannot be controlled.

Like, i totally support people not wanting to have kids. It shouldnt be the social norm that you're expected to pop a few out as par for the course in life. But you can tell the ones who really hate kids, like DPMIF, because they wont even tolerate a child NEAR them. A decently behaved child, not screaming or being disruptive, just looking at your dog or asking to pet her, or even just having the audacity to breathe near them, is the end of the fucking world. And when they re-tell the story, the kid is always harassing them or in some way being an unpleasant little shit, because they need to really hammer the point home that the CHILD is the problem, and not the complainer's shitty attitude. Not to say that some kids arent shitty, some are. But if every time you encounter a kid, you describe them as doing something negative or actively harassing you? What's that saying, about if you meet one asshole in a day, you met an asshole. If everyone you meet is an asshole, YOU'RE the asshole.

Munchies hate actual kids because they’re in direct competition with the tiny little assholes for Disney merch and attention from the actual adults.

 

[Special spoonie]

Part 2 of bees documentary mostly just bee banging on about how inspirational she is but about 7 mins in the there is a lulzy moment of her having “tics”

Funny how she never shows signs of tics in her hour long lives.
Overall this was shit 2/10 do not recommend

 

[griftinsincebeengriftin]

Part 2 of bees documentary mostly just bee banging on about how inspirational she is but about 7 mins in the there is a lulzy moment of her having “tics”
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Funny how she never shows signs of tics in her hour long lives.
Overall this was shit 2/10 do not recommend

Bee fascinates me to no end with her miraculous recovery. One thing I’ve not been able to figure out (since I only started following her right before her DFE) is what is her ACTUAL “diagnosis”? What does she claim to have other than ASD? And can she actually not walk or will that be the next miracle of dance and one day she will just jump up like Grandpa Joe when Charlie got the golden ticket?

 

[chronicallybullshitting]

My god she is a *terrible* actress. I can't believe anyone falls for this shit.

A majority of her tiktok followers fall for it and unfortunately, so does her boyfriend to the point he will sit there concerned as fuck checking her pulse on her smart watch and hold her head up while he's driving the car.
It's terrifying. To think she would fake fainting for attention while her boyfriend is driving. If he crashed it would be her fault.

 

[Cold Waffle]

Bee fascinates me to no end with her miraculous recovery. One thing I’ve not been able to figure out (since I only started following her right before her DFE) is what is her ACTUAL “diagnosis”? What does she claim to have other than ASD? And can she actually not walk or will that be the next miracle of dance and one day she will just jump up like Grandpa Joe when Charlie got the golden ticket?

I'm waiting on the Grandpa Joe moment, as well. When she does PT in the hospital, she makes it seem like she has no core strength (can't sit up/support herself), but when she's home, she sits up and flails around no problem. She claims some sort of degenerative neurological disorder as well as ASD, but her neurological disorder magically reverses itself. She's also claimed epilepsy, but I don't think she's ever had an EEG that confirms it.

As far as ASD goes, she seems to be cosplaying that hard. She has chewy toys and ear blockers and all the 'tism bling, but none of the symptoms.

Funny how she never shows signs of tics in her hour long lives.

Have you seen the tic video where she screams cuss words and "tuna sandwiches"? It's one for the books. I uploaded it a while back, I think (or someone else did). Solid 5/7.