General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[RandomTrixie]

Let's MAKE one

Depression and simping officially banned, only Hazy Skyscraper-posting allowed

I fucks with this, i am all in for the idea, i don't want to deal with the server-making aspect though, but if you know a soul that is willing to make one, dm me an invite link

 

[The One And Only SALTE]

She reminds me of a lot of girls I've known. Half the reason she's lonely is because all the guys she could date are legit spergtards or she's just flat-out not interested in them. In the case of the former, she's smart but in the latter, it's her own damn fault, really. These girls kind of generate a rotating group of pathetic types hoping to "heal one-another's loneliness" that get bored when they realize they have no chance and then mope elsewhere. While those guys are around, she enjoys the attention but that's about it. I guarantee those types show up in a lot of these fanbases but infest hers especially. As for dating anybody within the fanbase... that would be beyond retarded and I doubt she'd do that.

From what's been gathered here (I only discovered Dice existed after Calliope came around and followed her music) as well as other places from her longtime fans, Karen's problem is that she was always too much of a bro for any of her guy friends to consider fucking. Several songs hint at that and she did talk about it in some old podcasts, and then there's still the rumor she went to Japan to meet and try to date AO but he just wasn't really interested in her that way. Nobody knows for sure except she. She kind of always had a problem with feeling like an outsider and decided the best thing to do was pick up her life and move to Japan to find herself...granted, it was, but I always regard the recruitment of any hololive talent to have worse odds than getting struck by lightning while being eaten by a shark as your winning lottery ticket is called. She is real fucking lucky things worked out.

And i almost wanted to ask for a link.

As much as i want to talk about Karen's work, doing it with such kinds of people seems a bit unnerving, I hate being pitied myself, and last thing i want to bother is with someone being a snowflake or a horny fuck that can't keep it to themselves.

I guess I'll just continue enjoying her music on my own.

Several more private discord communities are out there to discuss her work in detail; it seems Karen's a very hot commodity these days and everyone wants to talk about her. It's only the main Calliope Mori discord that can get really bad, and even then most of the regulars there are pretty laid back and not nearly as spergy. I think there are maybe 20 active regulars in there while the rest just use it as an alternative to the shitastic Youtube chat, and of those 20 only like 3 or 4 are the spergy type; thank fuck they're not online all the time, either. Surprisingly enough, a lot of Calli's fans are exmil, so that should give you a more general idea of the kind of person she attracts.

 

[Mister O.]

Things seem to be pretty calm these days on the Holosphere, partly because they all preparing for the coming HoloFest.

So yesterday Mel streamed for the first time in 3 weeks, just your usual chill Minecraft stream. It got me thinking tho.. Mel's probably got other shit going on in her live and she's by far one with the least enthusiasm for streaming (just my hunch cuz she streams very little). On the famous Undoukai, Mel left on the middle of the stream probably due to work or other commitments.

My theory is she's ''Graduating'' after Holofest 2 or shortly after. Also, in 2021 I believe we'll have at least 1 or 2 more Graduations.

It's inevitable this will happen and it will make huge waves regardless of who it is because it hasn't happened before, none of the established holos has even shown serious intentions of quitting. Sure, some of them showed their doubts before, on being unsure if they're funny/endearing/good at ___/ etc. but never on stream has a Holo discussed the possibility of quitting altogether (or proof me if I'm wrong, I havent heard on any of that).

Just curious on how will these Graduations hit the community, as spergs take it for granted these chuubas will be there ''forever''. Cali for example: I think Hololive is but a mere stepping stone for her and the moment she gains momentum and a major record label contract she will quit. It seems she's enjoying it more than she thought she would, but she's obviously pursuing a music career first and foremost. The same could be said from Suichan but I don't know as much from her.
If you connect the dots Kiara might also be a ticking bomb.

In any case, we have no clue what's going on in the background and their private lives. There's multiple reasons I can think of for a sudden or planned graduation.

If you did reading about what Mel's been up to and how her life's been, you'd know she travels a lot when she has to go into the city for singing/dancing practice, LIVEs, etc. (as she lives out in the country and said she obviously can't stream when she's traveling back and forth for multiple days), but recently rented an apartment in Tokyo proper for what I'm assuming is just the next month or two to alleviate that. Also, of course, she has other obligations. Not every Holo JUST does streaming, some of them still have 'day jobs,' or just other online content they produce. Mel never really fully 'recovered' from her stalker situation hiatus, but I don't think there's literally any reason to think she's going to graduate because she hasn't been streaming much; she has good reasons for it, and, like you said, we don't know their private lives.

Also, yes, some of the girls have said that Hololive IS just a stepping-stone for them. I know Suisei said she still has dreams of becoming a seiyuu or an idol proper, and she still puts feelers out every so often for a gig. She said if she ever landed a seiyuu job or something of the sort, she'd quit Hololive. I assume some of the others have similar aspirations that they keep to themselves, as well.

I've noticed everyone seems to keep saying everyone but Calli's and Ina's fandoms are the worst.

Meanwhile, at least in the circles I've been in, Calli's has one too many emotionally unstable spergs who play up their respective mental illnesses for pity points, and Ina's just gets rabid at the slightest sign of things being disagreeable (see: Ina's first HL2 stream and the incidents with those semi-famous HL2 community dudes entering her chat).

To me, Deadbeats and Chumbuds prove time and time again they're, by far, the most insufferable of all the EN fanbases. I admittedly don't watch too much of Ina or get overly involved with her community so I can't really speak about the 'Cultists, but I wouldn't put it past any of them. Honestly all the EN fanbases are pretty raunchy, but I'd say the KFP crew are the quietest of the spergs.

I think it's more likely that eventually Fubuki('s roommate) takes an executive position at Cover, like whatever you would call Director of Talent Relations in Japan.

That's my thought. Someone said she's destined for bigger and better things, and she is, seeing as she's an absolute guru for public relations and completing big projects, utilizing company assets to their fullest and all. There's no way YAGOO/Cover would just let her go. If she ever decides to quit being an on-screen talent, I will guarantee they extend the offer to her for community/public relations director, or some other hot-shot board position (doesn't mean she'd take it, but no way they'd let her leave without a fight). But even if that happened, she'd still probably pop into some other streams to collab once in a while because of course she would.

I'd like to see the fan art people make of Fubuki in a business suit if that does happen too

EDIT: Also, I saw this like 10 pages back but...

NoeFure isn't kayfabe, trust me lol.

 

[Jaeger]

From what's been gathered here (I only discovered Dice existed after Calliope came around and followed her music) as well as other places from her longtime fans, Karen's problem is that she was always too much of a bro for any of her guy friends to consider fucking.

I'll tell you right now, that's what she tells herself. It is only partially true. I'll bet there were plenty of guys who were interested--some of them were probably intimidated and naturally deselected but there were a contingent of bros who would have been down but she wasn't into them for whatever reason (too fat, too skinny, too nice, etc.). I've known too many "one of the guys" type girls who couldn't date the quarterback (he was busy with the cheering squad) but didn't want to mess up their friendships with the guys on special teams.

...and then there's still the rumor she went to Japan to meet and try to date AO but he just wasn't really interested in her that way.

I gotta look this guy up because I saw his name dropped but I can't find it again. Makes sense, though, that she'd crush on a dude who only loves 2D women. We want what we can't have and look gift horses in the mouth. Was she this AO guy's fan or what? Also, she violated a cardinal rule regarding teaching ESL overseas--NEVER go overseas for a single individual. The more I find out about her being in EFL and the other reasons she went to Japan, the more it explains.

But you're right, nobody knows for sure except her.

It may seem like I'm ragging on her pretty bad. I don't mean to be. I genuinely like her work and she seems really cool. I genuinely find her to be very entertaining and very unique when it comes to Hololive as a whole. Besides, good rap these days is hard to come by without looking at indies.

EDIT:

NoeFure isn't kayfabe, trust me lol.

I don't see a lot on here about it. Would you explain in more detail?

 

[Gisae]

I'd say the KFP crew are the quietest of the spergs.

Which is hilariously ironic

What about Ame though, is her fanbase full of literal saints that follow the Lord and do no wrong

 

[Gravemind]

Which is hilariously ironic

What about Ame though, is her fanbase full of literal saints that follow the Lord and do no wrong

Not according to literally everyone else. Everyone thinks Ame's following is the most toxic, full of those horrible backseaters and hornyposters.

Then again, she knows how to shit on them, so, hey, there's that.

Honestly all the EN fanbases are pretty raunchy, but I'd say the KFP crew are the quietest of the spergs.

I'd say the couple of redeeming factors about KFP are the facts that they're very productive and active in their enthusiasm, and that they also tend to show their support to the rest of the EN crew as well in addition to making their "KFP" status as a part of their identities.

It's all laughable from the outside looking in, but at least their enthusiasm doesn't seem to be harmful as of yet. Very supportive all around.

She kind of always had a problem with feeling like an outsider and decided the best thing to do was pick up her life and move to Japan to find herself

She's stupidly lucky with how things have turned out for her in the long run because one of the stupidest things you could do as an Americunt would be to try to fully integrate yourself into a very insular and lowkey xenophobic society like Japan in order to try and "fit in", if you already feel like an outsider in your own backyard. Sometimes gambling for the long game works out, though, and that's probably why some of us find her admirable to a fault.

 

[callacall]

Just got home and greeted with ame's voice cracking while singing pokemon intro

 

[The One And Only SALTE]

Honestly all the EN fanbases are pretty raunchy, but I'd say the KFP crew are the quietest of the spergs.

Depends where you look. They've basically quarantined themselves to Kiara's unofficial discord so I'm really only going off the information I see there and not else where, but to me they are the absolute worst, but maybe that's just because I despise too many loud people in one place at any given time. They are pretty fucking bad, though. As I said, Calli's discord seems pretty okay most of the time, but I'm only also really speaking where the regulars hang out between streams. The other night we watched DSP videos. It was a fun time.

I gotta look this guy up because I saw his name dropped but I can't find it again. Makes sense, though, that she'd crush on a dude who only loves 2D women. We want what we can't have and look gift horses in the mouth. Was she this AO guy's fan or what? Also, she violated a cardinal rule regarding teaching ESL overseas--NEVER go overseas for a single individual. The more I find out about her being in EFL and the other reasons she went to Japan, the more it explains.

Gang Gang Kawaii is a joke song and not meant to be taken seriously. As far as who AO is, yes. She was a fan of his and also a collaborator a few times. He's one half of FAKE-TYPE, specifically their vocalist; Dyes Iwasaki handles all the instrumentals. His channel is TOPHAMHAT-KYO, but just in case you don't feel like digging through his channel I'll link some of his work here.

The reason Calli knew about Mad Rat Dead at all is probably because FAKE-TYPE did a lot of the music for it, and while Dyes' instrumental is in the game, AO did a rap over it for its ad campaign.

I'll bring it up again: Calli's "big project" she wrapped up about a month ago was finishing the animation for this.

Finally, here's the man himself doing something different that isn't working with Dyes.

 

[Cubanodun]

To me, Deadbeats and Chumbuds prove time and time again they're, by far, the most insufferable of all the EN fanbases.

The problem with those two fandoms is that one is full of edgelords because come on, Calli avatar is the most edgy thing that hololive has shitted on years, considering her personality she is like anime Marilyn Manson, Chumbuds in other hand attract those kind of people (remember that gura is still the tiniest of all hololive) so the autism is tenfold but she for some reason managed to make them behave by throwing some bones at them and they go like idiots for it (the Ame milk comes to mind)

Teamates are exactly what you believe they are when you see Watson, FPS dudebros backseaters horny fuckers but considering Watson is not so different and she roast them from time to time for being imbeciles they are made to each other, Ina sadly has the tendency that her cult attract the ever depressed twitter artists that need a safety plushie because everything give them anxiety attacks, the only thing that i approve of them is that they gatekeep harder than the others for some reason even when her fandom is the most accessible one (aka the normal artist that are not faggots keep the snowflakes at bay)

And then you get KFP that they are like /tg/, when they get their minds of it they get shit done and are the most normal of the bunch for some odd reason like today that they behaved not shitting in Youtube for nuking her channel

Edit: to add that Youtube solved this pretty quickly because others vtubers have been banned for a couple of days but kiara was just a couple of hours

 

[Gravemind]

The problem with those two fandoms is that one is full of edgelords because come on, Calli avatar is the most edgy thing that hololive has shitted on years, considering her personality she is like anime Marilyn Manson

Nah. Just a bunch of channer-types who run the gamut between being chill and being fucking spergy. And quite a number of underaged teens attention whoring and trying to act like they're just as mature as anyone else (which makes them a bit spergier than the spergs who are already there). And, surprisingly, a number of former military, as SALTE mentioned.

There's also an anomaly in the form of Kuta Ch., who, as it turns out, is a 60+ year old non-native Japanese speaker with children and grandchildren, and everyone thinks that's just the most precious thing ever.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

The problem with those two fandoms is that one is full of edgelords because come on, Calli avatar is the most edgy thing that hololive has shitted on years, considering her personality she is like anime Marilyn Manson, Chumbuds in other hand attract those kind of people (remember that gura is still the tiniest of all hololive) so the autism is tenfold but she for some reason managed to make them behave by throwing some bones at them and they go like idiots for it (the Ame milk comes to mind)

Teamates are exactly what you believe they are when you see Watson, FPS dudebros backseaters horny fuckers but considering Watson is not so different and she roast them from time to time for being imbeciles they are made to each other, Ina sadly has the tendency that her cult attract the ever depressed twitter artists that need a safety plushie because everything give them anxiety attacks, the only thing that i approve of them is that they gatekeep harder than the others for some reason even when her fandom is the most accessible one (aka the normal artist that are not faggots keep the snowflakes at bay)

And then you get KFP that they are like /tg/, when they get their minds of it they get shit done and are the most normal of the bunch for some odd reason like today that they behaved not shitting in Youtube for nuking her channel

Edit: to add that Youtube solved this pretty quickly because others vtubers have been banned for a couple of days but kiara was just a couple of hours

The bigger your audience, the faster shit likes that gets corrected because of the pushback. The most recent example I can think of his when MoistCritikal and Markiploer got a video flagged over that clip of Russians who mascot costumes beating a guy.

 

[RandomTrixie]

The bigger your audience, the faster shit likes that gets corrected because of the pushback. The most recent example I can think of his when MoistCritikal and Markiploer got a video flagged over that clip of Russians who mascot costumes beating a guy.

Also Cover makes youtube too much money to not react fast, Coco and Rushia alone hold first places in SC's

 

[Takodachi]

Putting my bets on Luna, she always sounds like she's dying after talking for 10 seconds

To flip the question though which Holo do you think will last the longest? There I'm betting on the entirety of gen 3

From the JP branch, probably Mel and Matsuri, Mel for obvious reasons, and I always get this air of "I'm tired of this" from Matsuri streams and twitcasts.
And from EN, Ina will probably graduate first, I mentioned this before, but 'Priestess' duties will probably become too hard to balance with her streaming schedule.

and Ina's just gets rabid at the slightest sign of things being disagreeable (see: Ina's first HL2 stream and the incidents with those semi-famous HL2 community dudes entering her chat).

rabid? i dont remember her getting angry, the chat was insufferable between the backseat and dipshits ganking on other youtubers in chat tho.

Which is hilariously ironic

What about Ame though, is her fanbase full of literal saints that follow the Lord and do no wrong

My impression from each fanbase is:

Kiara: Insufferable hugbox, overprotective of Kiara
Ame: literally twitch, all the way down to backseat and horny posting
Gura: Ironically the chillest chat (second only to Ina drawing streams), I believe this is because Gura keeps them in line and knows how to handle retards
Ina: I cant give you an opinion on this without being heavily biased, but her drawing and chat streams are some of the comfiest in the site
Calli: Same as Kiara with with 50% more brapp- posting and doxfags

 

[TiredCatto]

im wondering why YAGOO still not considering to make waifu gacha game like idolm@ster or bandori but with hololive talent, that seems easy money + his dream about having idol group like akb48 can live on. like the talent mostly have done cover song as well. as much as its not genre western market like, but this kind of game is what japanese like as well, so seems like a win win situation.

 

[Gravemind]

rabid? i dont remember her getting angry, the chat was insufferable between the backseat and dipshits ganking on other youtubers in chat tho.

I never said she was the one who got angry, but boy were there a few vocal people in the Tentacult getting mad, especially having similar complaints as you just expressed about backseating.

Which, on that note, I feel like I should address: I don't know why you fags care so damn much about backseaters. They're always gonna be there, no matter how much you tell them to shut the fuck up. Stop getting so invested in them. Report and move on, like the rules say. It's on the streamer whether or not to heed them.

Or you can turn it into part of the entertainment value, like Korone did with that one backseater recently.

 

[negativlad]

You guys are all making the huge mistake of reading the chat.

 

[Gisae]

Ina: I cant give you an opinion on this without being heavily biased, but her drawing and chat streams are some of the comfiest in the site

I feel like most of this is more on Ina than Ina's fanbase

Gura: Ironically the chillest chat (second only to Ina drawing streams), I believe this is because Gura keeps them in line and knows how to handle retards

Also what? I'm not up to date on EN at all but isn't Gura's chat not only fast as fuck but also not kept in line by her that much? People were complaining about that like 5000 pages ago, what, did she grab the leash?

 

[Potatohead]

Gura: Ironically the chillest chat (second only to Ina drawing streams), I believe this is because Gura keeps them in line and knows how to handle retards

That’s because she ignores chat except for the rare acknowledgment. When she gets derailed by chat, you get shit like the akasupa meltdown, which lasted like 3 times as long as the J shit.

Calli: Same as Kiara with with 50% more brapp- posting and doxfags

Discord or chat? Chan is clean.

Which, on that note, I feel like I should address: I don't know why you fags care so damn much about backseaters. They're always gonna be there, no matter how much you tell them to shut the fuck up. Stop getting so invested in them. Report and move on, like the rules say. It's on the streamer whether or not to heed them.

We’re watching chuubas for their enjoyment. Backseaters detract from the streamer’s enjoyment, and thus our enjoyment. Personally though I get how it’d be fighting a losing battle, so I don’t even try.

 

[Gravemind]

Also what? I'm not up to date on EN at all but isn't Gura's chat not only fast as fuck but also not kept in line by her that much? People were complaining about that like 5000 pages ago, what, did she grab the leash?

People STILL complain about Gura's chat being one of the worst, so I'm very suspect of Takodachi's assessments here.

Discord or chat? Chan is clean.

I have not seen any BRAPfags since the early days when someone tried to spread that rumor, but there are certainly a fair share of doxfags surrounding Calli. Quite a few already know that she's Karen. Those that don't are very quick to ask when they're made aware that the people around them know.

We’re watching chuubas for their enjoyment. Backseaters detract from the streamer’s enjoyment, and thus our enjoyment. Personally though I get how it’d be fighting a losing battle, so I don’t even try.

Backseaters only detract from the streamer's enjoyment if the streamer lets it detract from their enjoyment. Like I said, you also got cases like Korone who turns backseaters into a mocking spectacle, which, in turn, provides more entertainment value for the audience. Calli's also mentioned that she's been tempted several times to do the exact opposite of what backseaters tell her to do just to piss them off and make them leave the stream.

 

[Gisae]

I get the Ina bias, she's probably my favorite HoloEN chuba if we don't count past lives, but you gotta confront the truth man

Ina is so chill that people can't use her as a medium to let out a human's innate desire to be a retard, so there's no way her fanbase can be that good.
Maybe that's why Kiara's fanbase is apparently chill