2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Gehenna said:
A lot of the shoddy overall execution falls into a few reasons.

1: Time limits are thoroughness' bane. Everything was on a TIGHT time limit, and proving fraud is something that can take months and years. People had to go with sub par stuff out of necessity.
2: Everything was very scattershot. Multiple lawsuits from multiple individuals, a handful from Trump's team, some from concerned citizens, some from governmental bodies, some from independent lawyers, some from the campaign. All of them tugging on different or even the same threads.
3: Opposition. Whether its people who just want to take a loss and move on, people who don't want Trump to 'steal' the victory, or actual nefarious bastards... its hard to argue that the forces that be have tried really hard to prevent things actually being looked into.

By preference, I'd have liked a neat, orderly investigation. But that was never in the cards.
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On the broader scale, yes, but I don't necessarily mind sorting through a haystack for a needle. It's a hobby. The problem was that I kept looking through the scattershot, and it kept failing to pass the bar of a single response from election officials. It has thusfar been that the GA one is the one that is going somewhere and presents something that doesn't require me to already agree with it. While some of the 'kraken' lawsuits were laughably bad, I don't really let them influence how I view ones that actually make claims and present arguments.

In terms of making a cleaner case overall, for people who don't mind rummaging, yeah, there is no way to make an orderly event realistically.
Mewtwo_Rain said:
Well to be fair that's kind of a bad comparison: Anti-racism protests really can't do anything anyway, discrimination is illegal and anti-racist protestors are actually calling for like segregation and actual discrimination which isn't going to yield anything to anyone who isn't A) a democrat or B)smooth brain on how the law works. BLM in comparison contradicts themselves, they got cops to get body cameras, then when it proved BLM's claims hurt Black criminals they whined and bitched until they were taken away or didn't have to be on full time all the time. In fact they argued to remove them afterwards.... lol. That's why they aren't successful. Occupy wallstreet is a can of worm's probably saved for another discussion though.

This is a different cases as in it covers the entire political spectrum and heck even non-political people are starting to get a little curious and suspicious. This isn't a partisan effort in this case like the aforementioned this is something a little more unified as surprising as it is. As time progresses and people start rising and questioning more and more, unlike riots and protests, this might bear fruition as people put pressure on the establishment to give concise and clear answers to what's going on, because as this current SC crap is showing chaos is unraveling right before us because professionals of the establishment aren't being truly forthcoming or cooperative.
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No, they could do a lot - you might think it's stupid or counterproductive, but it would be something. If a city banned white people from being on its police force, that'd be retarded but it would be something. I mean in terms of literally anything, they came up with jack squat. More people looking at something is an opportunity rarely realized.
murdered meat bag said:
all legal bodies concerned in 2020 are not saying Biden is the president. there's X amount of states and government officials contesting this right now. That all legal bodies didn't bother to contest the election in 2016 isn't applicable to 2020.

semantically, nothing was failed to be sustained because the courts ruled on standing. there was no standing before the election because there was no harm, and now there is no standing because of laches. Again, this is why texas is asking SCOTUS to intervene with original jursidiction.
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There are two legal bodies which are as yet not saying he is which are relevant. The SCOTUS is one, and GA is the other. Texas and the house of representatives are fucking irrelevant. They cannot issue anything regarding this election - they have to convince the SCOTUS to contest it. GA is investigating that case. If the SCOTUS doesn't hear this shit and GA doesn't flip (or even if it decerts and electors go for Trump instead), contest is over and all relevant legal bodies weighed in.

Texas could have used this route to argue for at the SCOTUS the instant those states changed their voting laws through a means which did not fit the constitution's definitions that it cites. Its standing would be pretty obvious: any state which operates unconstitutionally threatens the harmony of the union. The arguments against standing/lache counterarguments have failed in every other court so far, whether you like it or not.
 
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Rich Evans Apologist said:
There are two legal bodies which are as yet not saying he is which are relevant. The SCOTUS is one, and GA is the other. Texas and the house of representatives are fucking irrelevant. They cannot issue anything regarding this election - they have to convince the SCOTUS to contest it. GA is investigating that case. If the SCOTUS doesn't hear this shit and GA doesn't flip (or even if it decerts and electors go for Trump instead), contest is over and all relevant legal bodies weighed in.

Texas could have used this route to argue for at the SCOTUS the instant those states changed their voting laws through a means which did not fit the constitution's definitions that it cites. Its standing would be pretty obvious: any state which operates unconstitutionally threatens the harmony of the union. The arguments against standing/lache counterarguments have failed in every other court so far, whether you like it or not.
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PASC ruled that plaintiffs did not have standing before the election because no harm, and have no standing after the election because laches. They failed because the democrats are not being consistent with their own standards.


Another way to look at it is "are the courts delegitimizing themselves by playing the no harm/laches game?"
 
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murdered meat bag said:
PASC ruled that plaintiffs did not have standing before the election because no harm, and have no standing after the election because laches. They failed because the democrats are not being consistent with their own standards.


Another way to look at it is "are the courts delegitimizing themselves by playing the no harm/laches game?"
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And what did Kelly do when the PASC ruled that? Oh, yeah, he filed an appeal to the SCOTUS contesting that ruling. Sortof. Not for a writ of cert, but literally just begging them to issue a stay. The court rejected that 9-0 without a single dissent or issuing of an opinion. The explanation for this loss was "the texas lawsuit covers it all," despite the fact that you'd need such a stay for this current thing to go anywhere anyways.
Zero Day Defense said:
Yet, nobody took to the courts or did anything that's being done now.
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You mean like fail at every single suit except for one in Georgia? Clinton conceded before she had the chance to fail 40+ lawsuits.
 
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Gustav Schuchardt said:
Viewed from a sufficiently distant historical perspective all events in US history have left it stronger. Maybe this event will turn out to be like that.

Everything looks fucked because we're in the middle of it and we lack that sufficiently distant historical perspective.
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I'd like to agree with you, but don't believe the Vietnam War left America stronger. This is from the viewpoint of someone who became a teenager in 1968.

Still maintain this entire deliberately and maliciously mismanaged ChiCom Flu thing will eventually be seen as another national Vietnam-level fuckup. We haven't even seen all the damage to our society yet, specifically the utter loss of credibility in government/the judiciary/law enforcement and the unwarranted damage to the education of millions of students. Lot of shit left to play out.

If I was to pass away starting on 20 January 2021 and over the next 5-10 years, I couldn't say I left an America better than I found it.
 
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Rich Evans Apologist said:
And what did Kelly do when the PASC ruled that? Oh, yeah, he filed an appeal to the SCOTUS contesting that ruling. Sortof. Not for a writ of cert, but literally just begging them to issue a stay. The court rejected that 9-0 without a single dissent or issuing of an opinion. The explanation for this loss was "the texas lawsuit covers it all," despite the fact that you'd need such a stay for this current thing to go anywhere anyways.

You mean like fail at every single suit except for one in Georgia? Clinton conceded before she had the chance to fail 40+ lawsuits.
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You're a sperg we get it. SCOTUS denied Kelly the emergency relief not the case.
 
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Ben Shapiro is spitting fire today and is agreeing with Limbaugh we are heading to secession.


https://youtu.be/_4bELg8l5kE[/media]


I will point out to all conservatives thinking they can just pack their baseball bat up and leave the field is delusional thinking. That is what the Confrderacy thought in 1860. That if they cant get along, they will just leave and that would be that. That is not how the world works. If you break the country, you play for all the marbles or you don't play at all.
 
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CrippleThreat said:
Pennsylvania Urge Supreme Court to Declare Election Over

"It's over, and nothing's wrong here. Seriously, just (quickly) give Biden the crown."

I don't know why California is Democrat HQ, when Pennsylvania here wants to call all of the shots.
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This is just preposterous. They are not even hiding it anymore.
>Yes we cheated so now skip all the legal proceedings that certify the results of the elections and inaugurate him tomorrow.
 
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Rich Evans Apologist said:
You mean like fail at every single suit except for one in Georgia? Clinton conceded before she had the chance to fail 40+ lawsuits.
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What point are you trying to make? I'm making the case that nobody made any challenge on the magnitude of anything we've seen this year back in 2016. The EC went just about as planned, and the certification went as planned.

That's your consensus.
 
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JosephStalin said:
I'd like to agree with you, but don't believe the Vietnam War left America stronger. This is from the viewpoint of someone who became a teenager in 1968.

Still maintain this entire deliberately and maliciously mismanaged ChiCom Flu thing will eventually be seen as another national Vietnam-level fuckup. We haven't even seen all the damage to our society yet, specifically the utter loss of credibility in government/the judiciary/law enforcement and the unwarranted damage to the education of millions of students. Lot of shit left to play out.

If I was to pass away starting on 20 January 2021 and over the next 5-10 years, I couldn't say I left an America better than I found it.
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My father told me and my brother: "I weep for the world you guys will inherit".
 
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The High Prophet of Truth said:
I find it hilarious how quick some of these guys are to start with the XBOX 360 online insults whenever they're challenged on anything, even if they are actually arguing instead of trolling.
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did your alzheimers make you forget you're on kiwifarms? in any case you're free to show me the writ of cert

and you're shit at halo

mindlessobserver said:
Ben Shapiro is spitting fire today and is agreeing with Limbaugh we are heading to secession.


https://youtu.be/_4bELg8l5kE[/media]


I will point out to all conservatives thinking they can just pack their baseball bat up and leave the field is delusional thinking. That is what the Confrderacy thought in 1860. That if they cant get along, they will just leave and that would be that. That is not how the world works. If you break the country, you play for all the marbles or you don't play at all.
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Ben has been discussing for a while that the country can't really consider itself like such if it has virtually nothing that it agrees on, with the results of this election just being one of a myriad other values and beliefs which are cleaving down the middle with nothing much keeping them together. I broadly agree with the assessment, at least as regards partisans. While the bulk of the country broadly gets along and puts its differences aside, our partisans are now demanding complete and utter fealty to be allowed in their good graces - and I would guess that the number of people who are partisans is growing steadily as technology becomes more and more pervasive.
Zero Day Defense said:
What point are you trying to make? I'm making the case that nobody made any challenge on the magnitude of anything we've seen this year back in 2016. The EC went just about as planned, and the certification went as planned.

That's your consensus.
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If none of these suits go anywhere, for all intents and purposes, it's going to be identical this year: the relevant bodies will have had some frivolous suits lodged, brushed them aside, and went on about their business.
 
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Meat Target said:
My father told me and my brother: "I weep for the world you guys will inherit".
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Both my dad and my grandmother told me multiple times they wish I was born when they were born because of how shit everything has gotten. I didn't really get what they meant until like 2015 when all this crap just flooded everything.
 
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