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This is just wrong. 18% of Shepards are female, which is probably commensurate with the female share of the audience.

Generally, things that would be dealbreakers to small shares of the audience can be important to cater to, because they are important for the word of mouth / IRL friend groups. Especially if it's a multiplayer game.



* The player's [emergent] story should matter in the grand scale of things.
* The game should promise regular rewards / advancement and either follow up on it or cleverly disguise the fact it doesn't.
* Optimize for potatoes and laptops, women don't have high-end gaming PCs and will not upgrade on the regular because they don't have to keep up with their social groups.
* Most importantly don't make women lose, women hate losing. For social reasons, women have an easier time looking back on the time wasted and going, "well fuck this shit sideways with a rusty switchblade, I'm never playing it again". I'm not saying make it journo-mode. Add grinding if you can, add some orthogonal shit to do so they're entertained while they're gitting gud, never take away saved progress.
This whole conversation is dumb because they already make video games for women. Who do you think buys most of the Sims? Or any sort of point and click game (my mom owned every Nancy Drew game).
As a woman, I’m not somehow egregiously offended by Call of Duty not being marketed to me, and I don’t know why I would be. There’s lot of products where the intended audience is someone who is not me, because they’re older, younger, a different race, from a different part of the country, whatever.

I might be late, but I have to ask this: How much of the online troon community is simply affected by pornbrain?
On every site I go they tend to have this weird ideas about sex and relationship which reek of misoginy and lack of life outside of the web.
And the porn they produce is just... Sad.
Like if you go 4chan any of the porn boards are flooded with troons spreading their shitty sissy fantasies and LARPing to make it look like they are just average guys, who talk at lenght about cocks and how beautiful they are.
Are they homos in denial? Are they narcissists? AGP?
But most importantly, how do I preserve my stefania ferrario and tomboy threads from these pornbraines cucks?
A lot.
Go to r/TGandSissyRecovery.
A lot of men talk about how after they stopped watching porn, they stopped being attracted to trans women and stop experiencing AGP feelings.

They’re not homos in denial. Gay men aren’t into this. While I understand why this is such a common misconception, the AGP desire to have sex with men is born out of the AGP, and not true homosexuality.
 
Given the amount of porn some of them clearly watch I think it's more that *every possible* human interaction is now seen only through porn and that they actually think that women are just some kind of fuck puppet porning all the time.
So, what does the pornbrain to troon pipeline look like?
Guys start semi-normal, spends too much time online, faps too much, becomes a shut in, faps some more, develops "Dysphoria", troons and now can fap until he eventually dies.
All of this to compensate for the fact that since he isn't part of the male master race (or the one he sees in porn) the he must be an inferiori female?
It all starts to make sense.
 
So, what does the pornbrain to troon pipeline look like?
Guys start semi-normal, spends too much time online, faps too much, becomes a shut in, faps some more, develops "Dysphoria", troons and now can fap until he eventually dies.
All of this to compensate for the fact that since he isn't part of the male master race (or the one he sees in porn) the he must be an inferiori female?
It all starts to make sense.
No, he starts jacking off to sissy porn after he can no longer get it up to straight port.

What’s ironic is that troons don’t realize they can’t jerk off so much after getting an orchiectomy, because they don’t know what castration is.
 
No, he starts jacking off to sissy porn after he can no longer get it up to straight port.

What’s ironic is that troons don’t realize they can’t jerk off so much after getting an orchiectomy, because they don’t know what castration is.
Perhaps fucking themselves over by taking retarded decisions is part of their bimbo roleplay
 
Every time I hear someone making the connection that “no male puberty = woman” I want to smack them upside the head.
Gently though. These are delicate people.

Hypothesis: these guys are gonna end up with some fucked up osteoporosis in a few decades.

Anywho, the supposed link between lack of puberty and womanhood reminds me so much of how the ancient Greeks viewed women, medically.
Women, according to them, were kinda just fucked up wet men. The uterus and vagina were a penis and scrotum that didn’t quite make it because the seed used to germinate the baby was just too weak to make a boy. Poor poor fucked up menfolk.

And these people seem to be adopting this view whole cloth! “Ahh, if we fuck up this boy we’ll get a girl!” “If I give my body strong man stuff, I’ll grow a penis!” And yeah, I get homologous organs but comeon, this form of medicine was debunked ages ago! I am NOT going back to being considered a sponge that needs humor balancing from time to time!

And of course, sources. https://journals.openedition.org/cliowgh/339
 

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So, what does the pornbrain to troon pipeline look like?
Guys start semi-normal, spends too much time online, faps too much, becomes a shut in, faps some more, develops "Dysphoria", troons and now can fap until he eventually dies.
All of this to compensate for the fact that since he isn't part of the male master race (or the one he sees in porn) the he must be an inferiori female?
It all starts to make sense.
Troon starts to think the only positive attention a person can get is sexual objectification, desires being sexually objectified like a 'woman'.
 
Troon starts to think the only positive attention a person can get is sexual objectification, desires being sexually objectified like a 'woman'.
And that says a lot about their perspective really. It's actually a bit creepy - a lot are so socially undeveloped and wouldn't function in any kind of real world situation.

It's like they have a extremely intense sex addiction and they wanna become the woman so they can fuck themselves....
 
Bad. I can think of dozens of games that fullfil at least 3 of those 4 criteria and aren't popular among women, as a matter of fact, the most unpopular game among women (EVE Online) is one.

Why would you ask that. Eugenics is a pseudoscience that makes dumb assumptions about how genetic inheritance works and it's not like most of these abominations are going to pass their genes anyway.
EVE doesn't count. It's Space Accountancy. Only autists like EVE.
 
This whole conversation is dumb because they already make video games for women. Who do you think buys most of the Sims? Or any sort of point and click game (my mom owned every Nancy Drew game).
As a woman, I’m not somehow egregiously offended by Call of Duty not being marketed to me, and I don’t know why I would be. There’s lot of products where the intended audience is someone who is not me, because they’re older, younger, a different race, from a different part of the country, whatever
Some of us women just like playing COD or Doom just the way it is. But the bull dyke demographic is admittedly small.
I'm sure the demographics of games like Harvest moon or Animal Crossing are significantly female too. It's the only things my gf plays.
 
And that says a lot about their perspective really. It's actually a bit creepy - a lot are so socially undeveloped and wouldn't function in any kind of real world situation.

It's like they have a extremely intense sex addiction and they wanna become the woman so they can fuck themselves....
I do think there is an under explored way that porn addiction really narrows people (mostly mens) capacity to see human interactions outside of a really narrow view of sex.
 
I do think there is an under explored way that porn addiction really narrows people (mostly mens) capacity to see human interactions outside of a really narrow view of sex.
especially if they also watch a lot of (the retarded kind of) anime on top and barely interact with actual real life women
this seems to produce their view that women are childlike looking entities that are both cutesy but also only exist on a sexual dimension
and when forced to be confronted with a real women who might have opinions or not look like a 12 year old sex slave, those can then easily be discarded as evil ugly TERFS who are not what the 'real/ideal' woman is like anyway
 
This whole conversation is dumb because they already make video games for women. Who do you think buys most of the Sims? Or any sort of point and click game (my mom owned every Nancy Drew game).
I'm not talking about girly games, I'm talking about general-interest games which have a substantial female audience or might have had one if not for a dealbreaker. A 20% increase in players is nothing to sneeze at because what you ultimately put in your pocket is profit. When you're making a general-interest game (as opposed to a fidget spinner for autists, like EVE), if it doesn't compromise your "artistic vision" (lol), it can pay off to notice what brings in the women.
 
For what it's worth I've met as many trannies as women in EVE.
I would be curious about how many troons play an MMORPG.

We’ve all heard about guys getting sucked into WoW. It’s the perfect game for troons and for autists in the troon pipeline...can be a sexy girl, online social interaction, the validation for being successful you don’t get in real life...

It would be interesting to compare rates of autistic guys trooning out who have extremely online hobbies, versus those who prefer in person stuff like Magic the Gathering. I’m convinced a lot of these troons suffer from being terminally online and not getting enough irl social interaction.
 
Some of us women just like playing COD or Doom just the way it is. But the bull dyke demographic is admittedly small.
I'm sure the demographics of games like Harvest moon or Animal Crossing are significantly female too. It's the only things my gf plays.
I don't get this. I've always enjoyed most FPSs and never had trouble finding friends who liked them/had them too to play with on multiplayer. Maybe vidya is more strictly gendered than I thought.
 
I think it's difficult to say what appeals to women in games vs men. Obviously it hugely depends on the individual person.

My two cent:
- women tend to be less competitive here in a way I think, as in, we generally aren't gonna be that bothered if we have the most kills or whatever and we don't rage quit or throw our keyboard when we lose. Combine this with the treatment women get in multiplayer, at least when gaming with random people. I think this makes 'serious' combat multiplayer games about as appealing as a moist turd to most women.

- many games are still quite male-centric. Obviously this has changed a lot already in the last years. You will find women gravitating towards games that have a huge choice freedom and allow them a decent experience playing with a female character. We're not gonna like it when the game makes it obvious the designers/developers never thought this could ever be played by a woman. Women don't just play Stardew Valley but also games like Mass Effect or Rimworld that do feature violence etc but have relative gender equality and have features other than 'kill each other the most & bestest'

- many women that are in the 'gamer' age now, so like mid twenties or whatever, were as kids still discouraged to show interest in any games or technical hobbies. Me, I had a father who repaired computers and there was never any obstacle to me taking an interest in games or PCs, so I was a gamer from age 5 onward basically. But if parents keep you from that stuff as a child then your interest will probably just not develop, or just much later.
 
I would be curious about how many troons play an MMORPG.

We’ve all heard about guys getting sucked into WoW. It’s the perfect game for troons and for autists in the troon pipeline...can be a sexy girl, online social interaction, the validation for being successful you don’t get in real life...

It would be interesting to compare rates of autistic guys trooning out who have extremely online hobbies, versus those who prefer in person stuff like Magic the Gathering. I’m convinced a lot of these troons suffer from being terminally online and not getting enough irl social interaction.
I think it would trend to near equal parts troons and women in MMOs, especially with how casual they've become lately. Guild Wars, WoW, FF XIV should all have a decent population of women compared to even a few years ago and with the first two there's definitely been more than a handful in the guilds I've been in.

With regards to in-person games like MTG my experience is limited since it's always been a casual thing with friends in high school. I would venture a guess that it would be about the same percentages as with video gaming, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was significantly more troons.
 
Women don't just play Stardew Valley but also games like Mass Effect or Rimworld
I know several women my age who met their other halves playing WoW. Personally I have no interest in stardew valley type stuff but I loved mass effect (shitty ending notwithstanding....) I suspect that what women gravitate to is the same kind Of thing that men do - ie games that reflect the sort of things they like. I like puzzles, narrative, sci-fi and fantasy, so that’s the kind of thing I go for. I imagine if you prefer blasting the shit out of stuff you’d like different games and if you’re big into strategy you prefer still others.
What’s interesting is that there games clearly aimed at men and at women, but the best ones seem to be appealing to both, either becasue they’re fun arcade stuff, or because they have something deeper going on, and it’s that that attracts people. Same as books/films etc. If your story is good, it’s universal.

the flip side of that is where your game is shallow and your characters are shallow to the point that they are ‘identity stereotypes.’ This has degraded a lot of media, I think. It distracts you from the story, and halts the suspension of disbelief you need to really get absorbed in a game/film/show. When you sacrifice narrative/graphics/flow of play to an agenda, you’ve already lost anyone who thinks.
 
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