Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[bippu_as_fuck_ls400]

The VA (Veterans Administration, which provides health care for US vets) is going to use race as a determining factor in who gets the vaccine first:

https://content.govdelivery.com/att...accineAwareness_120220_Approved and Final.pdf

 

[Grabthar's Hammer]

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-55342990

I have a sudden urge to lock Richard Wynne up with no food for a month, in a metal cage that electrocutes him every time he touches it.

In Minecraft of course.

 

[bippu_as_fuck_ls400]

the data is not realy clear if the vaccine prevents an infection or just getting sick.

So what happens if, say, 1/3rd of the population is vaccinated, and it works, but it doesn’t prevent them from getting infected, just keeps them from getting very sick?

I've got bad news. Masks and lockdowns are eternal. You really thought they'd give up this control?

To put it plainly, experts say it protects you from the disease, not the infection. The only difference between the two is diseased people with the virus have symptoms varying from mild to worse, but those with just the infection are asymptomatic.

This means when you take your two shots to the arm you could still catch the infection and spread it.

Dr. Lawton Davis, director of the Coastal Health District, warned that a young, healthy person who received the vaccine could still pick up the infection if they ease up on safety guidance, like wearing a mask.

https://archive.vn/6r5UP

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

I recently found work at a medical clinic and I am pleased to report all of the nurses and clerical staff are suspicious of the vaccines, and don't plan to get it at all or if they do only when the test pool has been a million. They also don't want to give it to their kids.

I honestly can't say the COVID announcements I've heard over the intercom at stores have been that constant or drilling. I've actually only heard them in a few stores. The one I heard today basically said, "Please just respect our workers" which I think is actually fine, because it sucks when re.tards take everything out on wagies.

That's a reason these days I feel worse for retail workers than people who work in hospitals. Don't get me wrong, it's hard work taking care of sick people. But that's what people in the medical community sign up for, and it comes with the territory. Plus, everyone praises them. Nobody praises retail workers or delivery people who bring the food to your house. The amount of shit that cashiers get from entitled angry customers during this complete mess is infuriating.

 

[Salubrious]

Because nobody would want to go out or do anything. Nobody would want to keep open, aside from businesses that basically have to (grocery stores). Lockdowns, masks, etc. wouldn't be so resented.

This is what I've tried to explain to people, but keep getting accused of spreading right wing talking points.

I'm not pointing out all of these Democratic mayors/governors/leaders violating their own policies as some sort of gotcha or whataboutism. I'm saying it because if the virus was as deadly as they keep telling us, those people WOULDN'T EVEN WANT to be doing those things in the first place.

Pay attention to people's actions, not their words. But no, I'm just spreading wild conspiracy theories because how dare I not take politicans and CNN at their word!

 

[sorrycharlie]

I've got bad news. Masks and lockdowns are eternal. You really thought they'd give up this control?


https://archive.vn/6r5UP

I'm sorry I asked.

 

[Bosmadden]

Are you under 70 years of age?
Yes?
Do you suffer from cancer? Morbid obesity? Type 2 diabetes?
No?
Then your chances of dying from Covid-19 are literally 0%.


The fatties and ancient among us might want to get the needle because the risk/reward justifies it.

For everyone else, hell no, unless you're a virtue signalling retard.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

My father in law reached out to my wife to let us know that the county were are staying in currently is a COVID hotspot.

I wondered about that. Conveniently, county-by-county data is available here. I found a chart showing deaths from COVID in this county:

There are 122 deaths in my county out of 587,000 people? I have to wear a mask and can't get a drink for that shit?

For shits and giggles I checked my county's dashboard for the first time since May. We're down to 153 cases as of yesterday and a 7-day average of 390 and dropping. We also had just 4 deaths in the past week. I can't speak for the rest of that the state but this makes me wish our Governor and state-level health official would let the county health officials have some sort of input into what happens within their counties in terms of what restrictions if any are needed. ( , I know)

What was most interesting to notice was the 49 unknowns in the breakdown of cases by gender and wondering how many of those were gender-specials that didn't want to disclose male or female.

Realistically, I could see Whitmer announcing another extension in our "pause" with the reason that "it's working and we need to get the numbers even lower." I'll be pleasantly surprised if the pause expires anytime before Biden's inauguration.

I keep seeing headlines hinting at a second stimulus check. This seems cruel at best and like those in control of the news are trying to make sure there will be plenty of angry people if it doesn't pass.

It might be a compromise of sorts because some Dems seem intent on using COVID as the reason to push for UBI to be introduced to a national level. People will be angry regardless of what passes because nothing is ever enough for a good number of people.

The VA (Veterans Administration, which provides health care for US vets) is going to use race as a determining factor in who gets the vaccine first:

Is this the same VA that's had issues providing veterans with the most basic of care in many instances? In some places, the VA hospitals have been run so poorly that veterans would rather go without medical care than deal with VA. I wouldn't trust their implementation of COVID vaccines no matter how well-intended it might look in both theory and print.

That said, I'm not surprised they've decided to use wokeness as one of the criteria to prioritize who is first on the list given the current political environment and who the incoming administration is.

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

The VA (Veterans Administration, which provides health care for US vets) is going to use race as a determining factor in who gets the vaccine first:

Sounds pretty based of them to use minorities as unpaid beta testers. Maybe there is institutional racism after all?

What was most interesting to notice was the 49 unknowns in the breakdown of cases by gender and wondering how many of those were gender-specials that didn't want to disclose male or female.

Reminds of one of the stories posted here where a guy that had the bottom surgery was bleeding and took the time to point out that he was misgendered by the staff.

 

[axfaxf]

I haven't heard about anyone near me mandating the shot yet, even for health care workers, so my fingers are crossed that that will keep up.

I expect to get a vaccine offer within the next couple of weeks (2-4), mostly due to job reasons. But another place I work (health/elderly care) had a roll call among the regular staff and much to my surprise around 20 % were like "nah, I´m not gonna take this poison/Bill Gates-chip/rushed vax".

The boss volunteered to answer any questions regarding the procedure and there was no mentioning of a mandate or really any kind of pressure imo.

BUT, there´s been passed a law, which states that workplaces can test employers "in the interest of the public health", so I suspect the Anti-Vaxxers to be put on a daily (and broken) test-regime and then the authorities will just wait them out.

Politicians know they can´t force a vaccine on people and they look real scared when faced with that reality.

 

[Otterly]

the data is not realy clear if the vaccine prevents an infection or just getting sick. i

The latter I think. The primary endpoint was around severe illness/death rather than infection per se.
That means that the ‘it works’ is in terms of reduced disease burden. It doesn’t mean it prevents infection totally. As far as I can see they didn’t measure infection. To do that you’d need a method of being almost 100% sure whether someone has had it or not which means being able to have reliable antibody/t cell type tests, then design a trial that could be stratified so as to pick out sufficient numbers of immune naive people and follow them over time. That wasn’t done.

what that means in the wild is unsure. It could even act to drive selection for different strains. But yeah it raises the question of what the POINT of a vaccine like that is. If you aren’t preventing infection or spread, and you’re just knocking down the likelihood of severe illness or death, then there is literally zero point in using that as a blanket immunisation. The only people who benefit from it are those who would reasonably be expected to die/have severe illness.

 

[Stoneheart]

The latter I think. The primary endpoint was around severe illness/death rather than infection per se.

so we have no useful data...

That means that the ‘it works’ is in terms of reduced disease burden. It doesn’t mean it prevents infection totally. As far as I can see they didn’t measure infection. To do that you’d need a method of being almost 100% sure whether someone has had it or not which means being able to have reliable antibody/t cell type tests, then design a trial that could be stratified so as to pick out sufficient numbers of immune naive people and follow them over time. That wasn’t done.

but something like that has to be done since people who are infected but not ill can and do infect others, in alot of well documented cases the super spreaders are not ill themself.

I also dont trust their numbers at all. there are pretty much no serious ill people in the groups they use for testing so how do they get any useful data?
also how good are data from 30 year olds to predict how 80 year old people in bad shape will react?

I dont see them getting anywhere close to reducing the deaths by 95%. we are talking about people who would die from the sniffles or a mild food poisoning.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

Yahoo's full of shit. These numbers are from 18, but you'd need to go some to claim the ChiCom Flu kills more than heart disease/cancer.

FastStats

FastStats is an official application from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and puts access to topic-specific statistics at your fingertips.

www.cdc.gov

https://archive.vn/7f1pb

If I'm reading the charts correctly, your link says 599,274 cases of cancer, per year, and 655,381 cases of heart disease. Dividing both those numbers by 365 days a year gets us 1,642 cancer and 1,796 heart disease deaths per day. The total number of Covid deaths on 2,633, on 12/17 (Per https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...?tab=chart&time=earliest..latest&country=~USA) Soooo... I think that does mean it's worse than cancer/heart disease right now. Not that I spend much time worrying about getting cancer or heart disease... it's just a thing that'll happen or not happen... so I dunno.

Also... like... the numbers sound bad. But I also don't trust the people reporting them... And even if they are bad, has anyone found a better solution than draconian, Australia or Wohan-level lock-downs that actually works?
I pulled a few death graphs off: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-deaths-7-day?tab=chart&time=earliest..latest&country=

US deaths across the year:

Sweden looks pretty much the same as we do.

Australia has done a much more comprehensive lockdown and looks a lot better.

I'd pull China but I don't trust them. Singapore is interesting though.

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

https://twitter.com/surplustakes/status/1339574645180289026

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Can’t really tell where they’re placing the high risk group. Before or after 65+? Because if before...that’s going to account for an awful lot of the Olds, already. You’d be left with 65+ who are thin and don’t even have high blood pressure. That seems ok to me. I actually would want Concepción and Jamar to be vaccinated since they’ll be checking me out and bagging my groceries down at Publix, and George and Barbara McSnowbird who are a healthy slender fit pair of 70-yos with no medical conditions are less of a risk to me and my family, since we don’t play golf.

 

[King Dead]

If I'm reading the charts correctly, your link says 599,274 cases of cancer, per year, and 655,381 cases of heart disease. Dividing both those numbers by 365 days a year gets us 1,642 cancer and 1,796 heart disease deaths per day. The total number of Covid deaths on 2,633, on 12/17 (Per https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...?tab=chart&time=earliest..latest&country=~USA) Soooo... I think that does mean it's worse than cancer/heart disease right now. Not that I spend much time worrying about getting cancer or heart disease... it's just a thing that'll happen or not happen... so I dunno.

Also... like... the numbers sound bad. But I also don't trust the people reporting them... And even if they are bad, has anyone found a better solution than draconian, Australia or Wohan-level lock-downs that actually works?
I pulled a few death graphs off: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-deaths-7-day?tab=chart&time=earliest..latest&country=

US deaths across the year:
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Sweden looks pretty much the same as we do.
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Australia has done a much more comprehensive lockdown and looks a lot better.
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I'd pull China but I don't trust them. Singapore is interesting though.
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The one thing you have to remember with all this data is that, per the CDC's own admission (and probably similar in other countries), any deaths with the coof are being counted as deaths of the coof (the only exception being China who just decided to completely stop reporting any numbers and pretend everything's okay). This is where the stories of people dying in motorcycle accidents or falling off ladders being added to the death totals come from, and in many countries, people are fighting to have their loved ones' deaths recorded properly. I doubt we'll ever get the complete story, either due to not wanting to admit failure or nobody wanting to take the time to go back through every recorded death and double-check the cause.

It's also hard, if not impossible, to do an apples-to-apples comparison between countries. Ausfailia, for instance, doesn't share its continent with any other nation, so it has an easier time with handling population control; it doesn't hurt that nobody generally wants to go there anyway. Not only that, but as we've already seen, the warm weather of spring and summer is good at controlling the spread of viruses like the flu and the coof (you can see that in the other graphs above), and they're smack dab in the middle of that right now. I'd argue that their current low deaths have less to do with their draconian measures and more to do with the fact that it's almost summer. And even if those measures were the sole reason for their success, is that really worth losing your business, giving up all your rights, and living in a police state? I'm gonna say fuck no.

The other thing to consider is that the overwhelming majority of people who died of the coof (if they died of the coof, anyway) probably would've bit the dust from the flu or some other infection this year. Deaths are almost exclusive to the elderly, the deathfats, and the 'betus-afflicted, groups that are all liable to get blown the fuck out by things that healthy people can shrug off. There was no reason to treat this like anything more than the yearly flu, but as we've seen, people are incredibly susceptible to propaganda.

 

[Inventor of the Telephone]

https://twitter.com/surplustakes/status/1339574645180289026

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-vaccine-first.html

The Elderly vs. Essential Workers: Who Should Get the Coronavirus Vaccine First?​

The C.D.C. will soon decide which group to recommend next, and the debate over the trade-offs is growing heated. Ultimately, states will determine whom to include.

Marc Lipsitch, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health, argued that teachers should not be included as essential workers, if a central goal of the committee is to reduce health inequities.

“Teachers have middle-class salaries, are very often white, and they have college degrees,” he said. “Of course they should be treated better, but they are not among the most mistreated of workers.”

Harald Schmidt, an expert in ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania, said that it is reasonable to put essential workers ahead of older adults, given their risks, and that they are disproportionately minorities. “Older populations are whiter, ” Dr. Schmidt said. “Society is structured in a way that enables them to live longer. Instead of giving additional health benefits to those who already had more of them, we can start to level the playing field a bit.”

“When you talk about disproportionate impact and you’re concerned about people getting back into the labor force, many are mothers, and they will have a harder time if their children don’t have a reliable place to go,” she said. “And if you think generally about people who have jobs where they can’t telework, they are disproportionately Black and brown. They’ll have more of a challenge when child care is an issue.”

Surprising conclusion from the NYtimes: 4 jews agree that whitey should indeed be killed, that they deserve to be killed, that it is for the good of everyone that they be killed. It is galling that people like this can openly call for genocide and then walk the streets safely.

 

[wry wrangler]

If I'm reading the charts correctly, your link says 599,274 cases of cancer, per year, and 655,381 cases of heart disease. Dividing both those numbers by 365 days a year gets us 1,642 cancer and 1,796 heart disease deaths per day. The total number of Covid deaths on 2,633, on 12/17 (Per https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...?tab=chart&time=earliest..latest&country=~USA) Soooo... I think that does mean it's worse than cancer/heart disease right now. Not that I spend much time worrying about getting cancer or heart disease... it's just a thing that'll happen or not happen... so I dunno.

Also... like... the numbers sound bad. But I also don't trust the people reporting them... And even if they are bad, has anyone found a better solution than draconian, Australia or Wohan-level lock-downs that actually works?
I pulled a few death graphs off: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-deaths-7-day?tab=chart&time=earliest..latest&country=

US deaths across the year:
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Sweden looks pretty much the same as we do.
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Australia has done a much more comprehensive lockdown and looks a lot better.
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I'd pull China but I don't trust them. Singapore is interesting though.
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One possible explanation for Australia's inversion is that Covid is basically the flu; their cold and flu season is the inversion of ours, given that they're in the southern hemisphere and their seasonal climate variation is the inversion of ours. This would comport with the observations elsewhere, that lockdowns don't do shit.

 

[NoSpiceLife]

Anyone mentioned the rampart outbreak that's happened on Sydney's Northern Beaches?

It's completely out of control, in 2 days!

 

[General Disarray]

So I tested twice for the city job, got a letter via Email after my second interview Monday showing my rank (#1), and a few hours later got my rejection notice.

Between the coof and the nigger uprising, I don't see many opportunities in my future. Wrong skin color. Especially since my city is very sensitive to racial incidents, and we are purportedly the most segregated city in America. I don't drive either, so that further limits me.

 

[General Tug Boat]

If I'm reading the charts correctly, your link says 599,274 cases of cancer, per year, and 655,381 cases of heart disease. Dividing both those numbers by 365 days a year gets us 1,642 cancer and 1,796 heart disease deaths per day. The total number of Covid deaths on 2,633, on 12/17 (Per https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...?tab=chart&time=earliest..latest&country=~USA) Soooo... I think that does mean it's worse than cancer/heart disease right now. Not that I spend much time worrying about getting cancer or heart disease... it's just a thing that'll happen or not happen... so I dunno.

Also... like... the numbers sound bad. But I also don't trust the people reporting them... And even if they are bad, has anyone found a better solution than draconian, Australia or Wohan-level lock-downs that actually works?
I pulled a few death graphs off: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-deaths-7-day?tab=chart&time=earliest..latest&country=

US deaths across the year:
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Sweden looks pretty much the same as we do.
View attachment 1795871
Australia has done a much more comprehensive lockdown and looks a lot better.
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I'd pull China but I don't trust them. Singapore is interesting though.
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I can attest to the fact that where I am currently residing the Wu-Flu fatalities have been rising in this season in particular. Though, the efforts for lock-down to try to curb the spread in certain aspects make some semblance of sense. Just the implementation has been poor since the initial conception back in March. COVID statistically right now globally if I am not mistaken trailed cancer globally by a significant factor when looking at it as a whole, but when you look at certain distinct localities it is inferred that in the last month it has been a leading form of fatality. Though from where I am located, most of the infections, and deaths have essentially been isolated to the nursing homes as well the agriculture when it spikes. Essentially large encampments of people that are bundled together and now it seems like it is beginning to tear through the homeless population. When you lump those three groups together, they absolutely are not favorable conditions health wise.

Certain aspects of actually being able to "contain the spread," seems to be not actually containing the spread with in the vulnerable groups. In the argument of lockdown v. infection rate, it does make sense to do a lockdown; But it should be a lockdown that isn't economically invasive, say more in terms of a soft-lockdown. In terms of investment in these institutions that I was referring to, essentially, the migrant workers, elderly, and disenfranchised/economically challenged. This virus situation has indeed demonstrated the critical flaws with in these subsectors of society. In many aspects just tossing money/stimulus at the problem and creating not only large economic bubbles, but also creating a wide cascade of zombie businesses that will make the collapse of the Yen look favorable; Tells me that indeed that there are issues ingrained with in this one size fits all pandemic response.

The response should of been more focused on containing the worst possible groups with the highest vectors of infection, as well keeping the stress low on the lower-working class. Since they have failed to do so, at this point we have to reap what we have sowed, with the potential outcome of a significant factor of fatalities of people that did not need to die. Along side with the various other complications socially these type of measures have constituted. When doing analysis on these graphs one also has to consider elements like general climate, population density, as well the generally demographics of the vulnerable groups that I have highlighted previously. The aspect that they are still treating this disease in such a robustly asinine manner, meanwhile cancer patients do not have access to their doctors is another element that bothers me with this response. The health care system is broken fundamentally a crossed the board in my country, so my previous points only really apply to what I've observed where I live.