Manosphere Marijan Šiklić (ThatIncelBlogger) 2: The Revenge

[Saint]

Oh, look what I found

http://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/193e3x/iama_sexual_assault_therapist_discussing_when/

I did an AMA on this a few months ago and have received a number of requests to do it again.

The basic concept of experiencing orgasm during rape is a confusing and difficult one for many people, both survivors and those connected to survivors.

There are people who do not believe it's possible for a woman or man to achieve orgasm during rape or other kinds of violent sexual assault. Some believe having an orgasm under these circumstances means that it wasn't a "real" rape or the woman/man "wanted" it.

I've assisted more young women than I can count with this very issue. It often comes up at some point during therapy and it's extremely embarrassing or shameful to talk about. However once it's out in the open, the survivor can look at her/his reaction honestly and begin to heal. The shame and guilt around it is a large part of why some rapes go unreported and why there is a need for better understanding in society for how and why this occurs.

There have been very few studies on orgasm during rape, but anecdotal reports and research show numbers from 5% to over 50% having this experience. In my experience as a therapist, it has been somewhat less than half of the girls/women I've worked with having some level of sexual response. (For the record, I have worked with very few boys/men who reported this.)

In professional discussions, colleagues report similar numbers. Therapists don't usually talk about this publicly as they fear contributing to the myth of victims "enjoying rape." It's also a reason why there isn't more research done on this and similar topics. My belief is that as difficult a topic as this is, if we can address it directly and remove the shame and stigma, then a lot more healing can happen. I'm hopeful that the Reddit community is open to learning and discussing topics like this.

I was taken to task in my original discussion for not emphasizing that this happens for boys and men as well. I referenced that above but am doing it again here to make this point clear.

I was verified previously, but I'll include the documentation again here. (removed for protection of the poster)

This is an open discussion and I'm happy to answer any questions. Don't be afraid if you think it may be offensive as I'd rather have a frank talk than leave people with false ideas. AMA!

I underlined the most important part of that for you. MYTH! Myth means that it isn't really truth, just something that has been believed incorrectly. So you are presenting evidence that goes against you. They don't enjoy it, but stimulation to their body makes them orgasm whether they want to or not.

No, but it doesn't mean it won't be considered as something pleasant later.

Rape isn't pleasant. It is a horrible experience and it can leave people with mental and emotional scars.

You're ignored exactly because you can say something this breathtakingly stupid. Anybody who knows which posters made best arguments can see they're not ignored. You? You're just boring.

Bullshit, you ignore anyone who presents arguments with proof you can't refute. I love watching you try to lie after the fact when you know you have lost. It gives me this warm tingly feeling.

This is why you're seen as insane idiot. He got a devastating reply and to you his nonsense (which he wouldn't even say if he read 10 of my posts) is cutting me. C'mon.

If you think you response was devastating to him in any way, you are definitely a dumb-ass. Oh by the way, he is cutting you to pieces. Every argument you put towards him, he shows every flaw in it. You can't win against him. Soon, he will begin to surpass us veterans and annihilate you! @Humanoid Email Address we are all behind you all the way.

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

I underlined the most important part of that for you. MYTH! Myth means that it isn't really truth, just something that has been believed incorrectly.

Yes, because they believe it to be a myth and any evidence against it must be concealed. Just somebody stating it's a myth isn't evidence, bro. Half of these "victims" admitting they enjoyed it (how many do not and did? my guess would be all) is.

 

[Saint]

Yes, because they believe it to be a myth and any evidence against it must be concealed. Just somebody stating it's a myth isn't evidence, bro. Half of these "victims" admitting they enjoyed it (how many do not and did? my guess would be all) is.

You can't use something as evidence to support you and then throw out the parts that disagree with your argument. You know as well as I do that it said them enjoying it was a myth. Damn you are stupid.

 

[chimpburgers]

Yes, because they believe it to be a myth and any evidence against it must be concealed. Just somebody stating it's a myth isn't evidence, bro. Half of these "victims" admitting they enjoyed it (how many do not and did? my guess would be all) is.

So if I were to go to some of these people and ask them myself whether they 'enjoyed' the experience they got, they would seriously tell me that they did? How do you know for sure if those victims didn't go through something like Stockholm Syndrome or they weren't permanently scarred for life?

 

[100 Whole Bepis]

@Holden

 

[HickoryDickory]

Lol sorry I thought you were talking about his habit of ignoring people he can't win an argument against on here.

Nah, I don't bother trying to argue with him too much. He seems happier when being asked questions that stroke his ego, and I'm fine with that.

I was curious about something earlier tho... Where he said that if a women wanted to have sex, he would have to... (Slaton Sisters. ) Would that mean if a girl went to see him, she could ask him for sex and he'd have to comply, but when he realized that she wanted to use a strap-on... Would that change things, or would he still agree to it? Or would he become a victim of female on male rape?

 

[deductionotaku]

And you can believe Macie all you want, but bragging about it is like bragging that you believe in Cthulhu.

Dude, everybody knows Cthulu exists. The only question is whether or not it exists as more than just a construct of the human mind. And quite frankly, Cthulu existing as more than just that construct is significantly more likely than anything you've claimed about yourself.

Just inexperience. She said I was pretty good for my level of experience but didn't want to deal with it anymore. Her main problem was, again, that I was a decent person and she said as much. I was still pretty delusional in 2013.

Knowing how warped things get when you reveal them, I'm going to conclude her words were something to the tune of:

"Marijan, you're a decent guy who makes for a lousy lay. I can't be with someone who can't make me feel good."

Thus, the poor woman made the mistake of believing you understood context and that what she wanted was someone sexually experienced or at least showed a willingness to learn. Instead, due to failing to separate her ideas with a "but," you mistook this as a sign that she would have stayed with a lousy lay if said lay wasn't a decent guy.

You claim men should work, but I never heard anybody saying they should be awarded for working by getting women.

And the truly fucked up thing about you is you still don't get this. Outside of arranged settings, money only attracts one type of woman, thus a job used as a standalone means of attracting women only nets this kind of woman. However, a job also leads to socializing, which introduces new trends and current events, broadening horizons and allowing you to find familiar interests with prospective partners. It also leads to independence, which is a characteristic much sought after by both sexes. The job itself is not the attractive feature, the attractive features are cultivated as you work the job.

Basically Holden, there is having a job, and then there is pivoting on a job, and you don't understand the difference.

It's a a foregone conclusion that most women there lose their virginity by rape. Just look at frats.

So after all of your hatred towards feminism and the unreliable nature of all things that came about following its stranglehold on the world, you're going to reference a feminist talking point?

I never ever said that you get women by working or not get them by not working, just that, as a non-seducer, you're hated slightly less cause you don't provide slave labor.

Yet you're under the impression we're telling you that having a job is all you have to do to get one. Do you see the double standards here?

Insult me all you want, but if something is experienced physically it is often experienced mentally as well.

Recognizing the occurrence of a physical orgasm and having an orgasm of body and mind are different things. If you knew half as much about women as you claimed, you'd know this much.

That researcher says women enjoy rape

Proving once again you only look for sentences that seem to fit your dogma or can be twisted to do so instead of reading something in full.

Just somebody stating it's a myth isn't evidence, bro.

Irony.

Half of these "victims" admitting they enjoyed it (how many do not and did? my guess would be all) is.

No, they admitted to having and recognizing a physical orgasm. They all denied having an orgasm of body and mind. The only reason you're confused is your own ignorance and this story generated a contradiction you chose to resolve in the simplest manner possible.

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

And quite frankly, Cthulu existing as more than just that construct is significantly more likely than anything you've claimed about yourself.

And remember, this is an idiot who thinks somebody should actually read his posts and be serious about them.

"No, they admitted to having and recognizing a physical orgasm. They all denied having an orgasm of body and mind."

Well, of course. Their mind didn't recognize the orgasm, so they never talked about it. Oh, wait.

 

[deductionotaku]

And remember, I am an idiot who thinks somebody should actually read my posts and be serious about them.

Fixed that for you.

Well, of course. Their mind didn't recognize the orgasm, so they never talked about it. Oh, wait.

And instead of inquiring into what this means by either asking us or researching the female mind, you instead allow the sentence's meaning to sail clear over your head. And yet you wonder why I think so little of you.

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

"So after all of your hatred towards feminism and the unreliable nature of all things that came about following its stranglehold on the world, you're going to reference a feminist talking point?"

Why not, if it's partially true? Of course, I say partially, cause feminists think the problem came about for all the wrong reasons, that patient reacts to it the way it doesn't, and that the cure is more disease.

1. This problem of fratboys raping women was caused by feminism, which made women go into colleges and turned them into sluts who hate decent men and love backwards-cap wearing idiots.

2. Women, unlike feminists claim, love these rapes.

3. The cure, of course, is destroying any feminist ideas, not more feminism.

And instead of inquiring into what this means by either asking us or researching the female mind, you instead allow the sentence's meaning to sail clear over your head.

No, no,I know the whole jazz. She didn't really like it because he forced himself on her, she experienced pleasure in body but not mind because rape is bad, buhu

 

[ON 190]

"No, they admitted to having and recognizing a physical orgasm. They all denied having an orgasm of body and mind."

Well, of course. Their mind didn't recognize the orgasm, so they never talked about it. Oh, wait.

My god. You actually believe that simply remembering that a physiological orgasm occurred means it was enjoyable.

You know how the nervous system works, right? How about neurotransmitters?

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

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[deductionotaku]

Not one, not two, but three posts where he failed to formally quote or tag. Man, he must be scared. Sure, he quoted in one, but that's the one where he genuinely believes he knows what he's talking about (lol).

And I love the irony of it. He says no one should take my posts seriously, and yet here he is digging into them and making a big deal out of me.

Why not, if it's partially true?

Because you gave a blanket dismissal of all scientific inquiries and reports born of feminism. To do so further is to only contradict yourself even further

1. This problem of fratboys raping women was caused by feminism, which made women go into colleges and turned them into sluts who hate decent men and love backwards-cap wearing idiots.

And how did one cause the other? Remember, you need a source.

2. Women, unlike feminists claim, love these rapes.

Again, source needed.

3. The cure, of course, is destroying any feminist ideas, not more feminism.

This can't be considered valid unless you support the premises via sources.

No, no,I know the whole jazz. She didn't really like it because he forced himself on her, she experienced pleasure in body but not mind because rape is bad, buhu

If you think an orgasm of body and mind exists solely with the absence rape, you are proving that you argue topics that you know nothing about and transcend your emotional depths.

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It's called reconnaissance. If you really don't comprehend the sheer extent of the prison you erected around her mind when you raped her, then you're easily the dumbest person I've ever met. It would also prove you have done zero research on the subject, but we knew that going into this discussion. To put this simply:

For all she knew, you could have lied.
She needed to assess the situation to ensure you didn't.
She contacted you again and offered you sex.
Once she was in, she was free to check your computer.
After she confirmed it was gone beyond your reach, she leaves.
Thus begins a long distance relationship.
This relationship allowed her to safely end your relationship and cut her out of your life.

Get it now? One bad act to end the nightmare forever.

 

[Emiya Kiwitsugu]

"So after all of your hatred towards feminism and the unreliable nature of all things that came about following its stranglehold on the world, you're going to reference a feminist talking point?"

Why not, if it's partially true? Of course, I say partially, cause feminists think the problem came about for all the wrong reasons, that patient reacts to it the way it doesn't, and that the cure is more disease.

1. This problem of fratboys raping women was caused by feminism, which made women go into colleges and turned them into sluts who hate decent men and love backwards-cap wearing idiots.

2. Women, unlike feminists claim, love these rapes.

3. The cure, of course, is destroying any feminist ideas, not more feminism.

@Holden once again is demonstrating his knowledge of both the Western world that he's never lived in, and higher education that he's never attended. I know there's few better sources on the West and higher education than a meth addicted Croatian man who's lucky if he even passed secondary school.

Hey, Holden, what movies do you watch to learn about colleges and frats? I just want to assess how plebeian your tastes in bad colleges films are.

 

[4Macie]

Macie - so these claims were just insults? If true, you do know why I didn't see it that way - most libtards feel more than welcome to try and make what they feel are actual diagnoses online. If these were just insults then ok, I don't mind.

As for the lazy/lousy claim, I explained in several times already. If you want to look even crazier and try to argue why it would actually be lazy note that you will just be laughed at.

So I can't insult you by saying you write like someone with a disorder? Why not? You tattled on me for doing it.

As for the lazy lay. It's a thing. It means you just lay there and do nothing for the other person. I don't care if I was the term used or not; I was proving you said it because you said I was a crazy slut and how you didn't say that.

Just inexperience. She said I was pretty good for my level of experience but didn't want to deal with it anymore. Her main problem was, again, that I was a decent person and she said as much. I was still pretty delusional in 2013.

You said she left you because you were clingy. And whiny. That's not decent.

 

[Positron]

Women (especially of beauty) are a valuable resource that becomes monopolized easily by other men, this is why so many are in relationships or married. It is a scarce resource, and if we want something bad enough, we must willing to forcefully take it.

I was taught that if you want something scarce, you try your best to earn it, not seizing it by force.
There must be something wrong with parenting in Croatia.

 

[Luna]

I don't think you understand my points at all. In any society where I'd even want a wife would the one where divorce would be banned or just a theoretical possibility.

That's a nice non-answer, and I wasn't talking about your theoretical ideal world in that but okay. But on the other points, what would getting married accomplish for you? If you were married and then immediately died on the following night, would your 'endgame' be complete? If not, then marriage alone clearly isn't your final goal. What do you feel marriage will ultimately lead to?

A chance for what? To fuck an animal who can't comprehend a relationship? It doesn't matter what my personality is anyway to achieve that. It could be that of a plant for all it matters.

A chance to make another person like you in any sort of measure or capacity. As much as you want to deny it, personality matters a lot in forming a relationship. Your personality is more or less that of a plant anyway; your responses and 'wit' could be programmed into a bot they're so replicable, and your tenacity for avoiding the overall point of the posts you quote renders context insignificant.

 

[Roosechu]

I was taught that if you want something scarce, you try your best to earn it, not seizing it by force.
There must be something wrong with parenting in Croatia.

I'd blame communism for that, but Cambodian people got it a lot worse and are kind fellas.
Thus Holden is an asshole, no matter what country he was whelped into.

 

[sugoi-chan]

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Otaku, just remember -you're a guy who seriously and constantly claims a woman whose pics I claimed to deleted and promised not to contact saw that her way to freedom from me was to contact me again, add me on facebook again and fuck me again.

Otaku, just remember -you're a guy who seriously and constantly claims a woman whose pics I claimed to deleted and promised not to contact saw that her way to freedom from me was to contact me again, add me on facebook again and fuck me again.

Otaku, just remember -you're a guy who seriously and constantly claims a woman whose pics I claimed to deleted and promised not to contact saw that her way to freedom from me was to contact me again, add me on facebook again and fuck me again.

Otaku, just remember -you're a guy who seriously and constantly claims a woman whose pics I claimed to deleted and promised not to contact saw that her way to freedom from me was to contact me again, add me on facebook again and fuck me again.


Otaku, just remember -you're a guy who seriously and constantly claims a woman whose pics I claimed to deleted and promised not to contact saw that her way to freedom from me was to contact me again, add me on facebook again and fuck me again.

Otaku, just remember -you're a guy who seriously and constantly claims a woman whose pics I claimed to deleted and promised not to contact saw that her way to freedom from me was to contact me again, add me on facebook again and fuck me again.

Otaku, just remember -you're a guy who seriously and constantly claims a woman whose pics I claimed to deleted and promised not to contact saw that her way to freedom from me was to contact me again, add me on facebook again and fuck me again.

Otaku, just remember -you're a guy who seriously and constantly claims a woman whose pics I claimed to deleted and promised not to contact saw that her way to freedom from me was to contact me again, add me on facebook again and fuck me again.

Otaku, just remember -you're a guy who seriously and constantly claims a woman whose pics I claimed to deleted and promised not to contact saw that her way to freedom from me was to contact me again, add me on facebook again and fuck me again.

Otaku, just remember -you're a guy who seriously and constantly claims a woman whose pics I claimed to deleted and promised not to contact saw that her way to freedom from me was to contact me again, add me on facebook again and fuck me again.

Otaku, just remember -you're a guy who seriously and constantly claims a woman whose pics I claimed to deleted and promised not to contact saw that her way to freedom from me was to contact me again, add me on facebook again and fuck me again.

Otaku, just remember -you're a guy who seriously and constantly claims a woman whose pics I claimed to deleted and promised not to contact saw that her way to freedom from me was to contact me again, add me on facebook again and fuck me again.

You mad? You sound mad.

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

You mad? You sound mad.

Mad? Why would I be mad? I'm just copy pasting this for everybody to know. It's all the reply his insane posts ever deserve.