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Dumb dirtworm.
Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!
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Some comics dude on twitter has the SJW's riled up because he's saying not to spend multiple pages in a comic using the same face over and over.
Of course no one is more guilty of this boring and pointless way of storytelling than Tom King and Mitch Gerads.
You showed em Tom! Nothing refutes a valid criticism than rousing the twitter mob and getting over a thousand likes showing off 4 pages of a phone call lol.
At least 8 of these panels are exactly the same. Pure dogshit. Tom King writing about Muslims? At least its a topic he understands. He murdered and tortured enough of them.
Then there's this brilliant page of Darkseid eating fucking veggie dip. Good stuff Tom.
Nothing engages the reader more than indistinguishable panels of mundane activities like its some kind of Woody Allen film.
It doesn't take a gypsy with a crystal ball or a voodoo shaman to predict that DC comics is dying a slow, painful death like a Muslim at one of Tom Kings CIA blacksites.
Just look at the trash fire of a comic exampled above. This is from their idea guys "crack team" not because they are good, but because they smoke crack before creating these books.
DC comics is a fucking joke, has been for a while.
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And this should not surprise anyone.
Of course no one is more guilty of this boring and pointless way of storytelling than Tom King and Mitch Gerads.
You showed em Tom! Nothing refutes a valid criticism than rousing the twitter mob and getting over a thousand likes showing off 4 pages of a phone call lol.
At least 8 of these panels are exactly the same. Pure dogshit. Tom King writing about Muslims? At least its a topic he understands. He murdered and tortured enough of them.
Then there's this brilliant page of Darkseid eating fucking veggie dip. Good stuff Tom.
Nothing engages the reader more than indistinguishable panels of mundane activities like its some kind of Woody Allen film.
It doesn't take a gypsy with a crystal ball or a voodoo shaman to predict that DC comics is dying a slow, painful death like a Muslim at one of Tom Kings CIA blacksites.
Just look at the trash fire of a comic exampled above. This is from their idea guys "crack team" not because they are good, but because they smoke crack before creating these books.
DC comics is a fucking joke, has been for a while.
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And this should not surprise anyone.
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Oof. This is why I make books about dudes punching spaceships.
WhimsicalTrolli
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Says the one who got scammed by a polyamorous cuckold and still cries about it every week.
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You are on a whole other level of retardation making these stupid fucking statements. Sure, some culture war YouTuber will jump on some faggotry and milk the get woke go broke to death, but your brand of faggotry is worse. I also saw your stupid ass comment about GEE WHIZ AS LONG AS THEY KEEP MAKING BATMAN AND WONDER WOMAN COMICS I'M HAPPY. I've spent most of my time shitting on the hardcore anti-sjw's lately, but you've managed to come in here recently and out-stupid some of the other shit going on with your big brained posts. The examples you listed making money? Just because it turned a buck it means other shit hasn't gone broke due to being overly woke stupidity? If you think the pandemic is the only cause of DC going down the shitter, lol.
Get the fuck out.
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12/27/2020 - WARCAMPAIGN COMICSGATE LIVE
This was a rare, actually anticipated Warcampaign stream, a week of buildup on social media leading to it, a promised "open forum" to all who wish to discuss the death of Comicsgate now that WC are no longer around to "safekeep" it.
Opening with a clip collage of various psychologists discussing the deceptive and ruinous nature of man's selfish ego, the show then transitions to Ro screaming his usual hails in front of a fiery backdrop and elatedly welcoming back "TylerDurden" into the inner circle of Warcampaign, motivated to do so from a heady mixture of increased free time, dejection with the current course of Comicsgate and Ty's total obscurity outside of the small bubble that is WC. Still this is cause for celebration within that bubble, the hosts even going so far as to dust off WC's old intro that includes Tyler.
After some filler on "super gonorrhea" and complaints about the lack of femininity in the latest Wonder Woman film (set to a backdrop of Simple Zack as WW), it's at 16 minutes that the first responder to the WC invitational makes himself known in the chat - Doug TenNapel - and Ro takes this as a sign to read off superchats and begin discussing the subject of the stream. His opening indictment against Comicsgate was the lack of books produced over the span of time. Ty relates his own experience of backing everything CG at first, then as the number of creators kept growing, found himself only backing projects that "looked good" like Super Harem, conflating greater options with a lack of enthusiasm. Ro in turn recounts his personal history as a Zack follower looking to fight the culture war against those who would cancel Zack and being introduced to Frog that way. WC's position as "88th most powerful entity in comics 2019", conferred by Rich Johnston as a force for purity testing intra-Comicsgate conflict, is touted proudly followed by each of the inner circle proclaiming their disillusionment in being betrayed by Frog and Zack.
Doug arrives at 36 minutes in to show off his new studio, having some off-time before a scheduled D&D game with Preston Poulter. Ro asks for Doug's thoughts on this retrospective on Comicsgate; TenNapel says it was two years too late if you ask him, and that he'd just like to tell them "I told you so" in so many words. Doug's position is that Zack is a gentle soul who should be busy making comics as he is doing instead of grifting money from "simps and suckas" when pursuing a lawsuit. Ro points out that Zack asked for the fans to open their wallets for his lawsuit; Doug says that Zack should give that money back, but that he hopes Zack buys a lamborghini with the GFM to drive it in to WC and people like them's heads that they may as well be flushing their money down the toilet when they donate to causes like this. Gat Hanzo speaks up, saying that the abdication of Zack's lawsuit amounted to no less than the spiritual death of Comicsgate as a movement. Doug says that from the minute he was let into the inner circle, he knew right away that Comicsgate" was always a brand marketing business masquerading itself as a cultural movement and that it was compromised from the very beginning, that whatever Gat saw in it was a mirage.
Some old history is revisited regarding Bigfoot Bill's 106 international backers, the 106 that Ro diplomatically adds have now been fulfilled. Doug gladly adds the additional features such as the "Making of" book he added at no charge with his belated fulfillment and, I suspect out of habit at this point, goes into his well-worn incomprehensible rant about how the international backers "didn't care" if he fulfilled or not and that all the outcry was from Sketch Therapy and "the Youtube outrage culture". Ro says "Excuse me?"
Doug realizing he fucked up in real time.
At this point the reception for the Dirtworm is considerably more frosty, the dialogue between Ro and Doug seasoned with throat-clearing and stammering until the WC leader deftly clears the air by offering DMs of Frog celebrating the EWJ artist's cancer. Doug speculates that the reason Frog hates him so is because of his unyielding values and his inability to be compromised, that the only way to truly test them would be to go after his family, and that all involved have decided that this is a line that is not to be crossed even with all the doxing and gayops. Gat Hanzo/David Wright mentions Kiwi Farms for the first time, to which Doug says "that's not cool" in clear concern for the white rapper's welfare. Gat laments in the short time that Warcampaign has been away from Comicsgate, these "shitty types of people have crept in". Pan then pipes up to say "Even shittier than us", to which Doug laughs in response, recalling the $20,000 in refunds he suffered and that he wants to be the inspiration that makes Warcampaign uplift themselves into becoming better people.
This digresses into a discussion on the finite nature of outrage movements as a whole, Ro expressing his growing distaste at grown men monetizing crying on the internet like a little girl, the Quartering's GFM for getting popped by a tranny at a MTG convention being held as the gold standard for this. Doug starts to lecture on the responsibility people with a following have to not use impressionable people as a personal army, but Ro quickly cuts him off to argue that he sees himself as a "representative of the audience" as opposed to a leader and then talking about Vestige #2's sales figures. Doug then leaves to pick up his D&D game with Preston (for now) leaving Ro to stew on Doug's self-satisfaction over being proven right over shots of hard liquor.
This is followed by a long interlude of superchats being read and then wistfulness that Zack didn't pursue his litigation against Mark Waid with the same heroic conviction that Panboy fought the criminal cyberstalking charges leveled against him by Crypto Comics as well as some mining of the rich source of copium that is S.A. Rivera/"LiteratureDevil"'s tweets over the dismissal of Zack's lawsuit. Some attention is spared for Literature Devil's "MS-Paint" and "Narwhal-tier" interior art for the long delayed "Doctor Alpha", Gat explaining that Lit Devil is from "TUG's crowd" and is thus implicitly a grifter predating on CG.
At 1:39:30, Edwin Boyette is the second guest to join on this posthumous celebration of our favorite internet comic book movement. In case you hadn't picked up on his shirt and the backdrop, Edwin is all about politics now. Ro asks Edwin how he's been doing and how he feels about "calling it a day" for Comicsgate. Edwin answers that he's all about politics now, and that after talking to hundreds of thousands of people in the real world as the a GOP rep in Hawaii, none of whom had ever heard of Comicsgate, his takeaway is it was never a relevant or meaningful force in the first place and that the medium of comics is statistically not big enough to hold any significance in the greater culture. That all CG does is merely downstream of actual struggles for control of culture. Ro and Gat fish for a statement regarding Shane Davis' Starlight Cats, the childish nature of which they regard as an aesthetic betrayal of Comicsgate's origins in works like "A Case for the Littlest Umbrella". Edwin demonstrates his improved political acumen by delivering the most civil "I don't care" I've ever seen, followed by mumbling something instead about the infiltration of Marxists into mass media as per the postmodernist agenda of the Frankfurt School and intellectuals like Horkheimer and Gramsci. This interview is a bit of a dud as both parties grope in the dark to find a subject that holds both of their interest. Eventually Ro gives up and settles for taunting a muted Edwin with an impersonation of Boyette followed by asking for his take on the current political climate and a eulogy for CG.
Boyette's fairly conservative statement is that CG largely succeeded in its goal of being able to produce comic books without outside interference but also largely failed in any intent it had to effect the greater culture, the latter of which in Edwin's estimation was never a realistic goal in the first place. That while this may not have been the victory Warcampaign was going for, that it is a victory nonetheless. Ro, non-plussed at this lack of denouement for CG, thanks Edwin for his time and sends him on his way.
At 2:04:59, "Julio" (not pictured) and Liam Gray are brought in, looking very thoughtful as they place their hands over their mouths. Julio's contribution is to say that WC won, because they made Vestige.
Finally Liam takes the mic and says that while he had some misgivings appearing on a non-Conquest stream, that eventually he decided to accept the invitation so that he could say that joining Comicsgate was the worst mistake he could have ever made as a new creator. That he gave "$6000 in superchats" (for Smiller as I recall) only for his reward to be nominated as a lolcow to put on a show for the CG plebs. In this late hour of reminiscing for Comicsgate Lost, Liam recounts how it was he who counseled Richard C Meyer via e-mail to go forth and create Jawbreakers, trying to inspire Ya Boi Zack to make a difference. Zack rejected Liam's advice (at first), which Liam starts to launch into the retelling of his Hero's Journey and how he was forced to walk a lonely road in the fight for comics before meeting his fellow brothers like Vinnie Tartamella and Warcampaign, Ro tragically cuts this story off at the pass to ask Liam that, now looking back, does he realize that Ro was his only friend? Liam says "It feels that way".
Liam says his awakening to the true nature of Comicsgate was the (unnamed) Live With Liam #12 where he fought then regular Liamstream guest Sketch Therapy. The trauma of facing Sketch himself was so intense that he told Frog he wanted nothing to do with Sketch ever again, to which Frog responded with compassion and consideration by bringing them both onto his program to fight it out as content for his own audience. Eventually Frog relented and removed Sketch only for Sketch to repeatedly sneak on with alts to ambush Liam with, much to Frog's dismay at this abuse of (his) trust. The clips of this were helpfully compiled and hosted by Sketch Therapy himself here for those interested. Ro tells Liam that he cannot allow himself to be caught in a state of constant reaction to these people, "especially those Kiwi Farmers, I would rape their mothers if they said that shit about me". Liam continues on how after this betrayal (in mid-April), he declared himself "out" of Comicsgate (declared here officially by Liam on November 17th). The Orange Koala was going to continue on how WC stood by him time and again when TinfoilHatNick joins the proceedings. For those who don't know, Nick is a WCer who's CG clout, built piecemeal over tens of thousands of Indiegogo retweets, went up in a fire of Ellen memes during the early days of the CG Sped Civil War of April.
TinfoilNick gives a blunt assessment of the Meyer-Waid settlement, saying that the lawsuit was launched to send a message against people who try to cancel others and that Zack's dismissal of the suit is being interpreted by the SJWs as a capitulation and proof that Comicsgate is a joke. More interestingly, he argues that CG wasn't a complete failure given that recent "events" in mainstream comics like DC's "Death Metal" series were in fact a marked improvement over what was being offered 2-3 years ago. That works like Three Jokers , while imperfect, are perfectly acceptable fare. Liam in contrast predicts 2021 being a year of death and war as resurgent SJWs will smell blood and move to finish off non-compliant indie creators to cement their cultural hegemon.
Apropos nothing, WC tranny Man Of S3X remarks that even the Kiwifarmers live in Frog's world these days and that he for one fundamentally disagrees with the premise that bringing in more comic book professionals will result in a larger total customer pool for all, that what he sees is the original inceptors and true believers in Comicsgate being muscled away from the pay trough. To which I would say that 1) growth is a natural consequence of success in a capitalist system, 2) that the success of crowdfunding comics is not limited to "Comicsgate" and 3) that Comicsgate must either evolve in this competitive system or retreat into a sandbox where substandard, overpriced amateur product can continue to eke out an existence until it invariably succumbs to entropy. Ro and MOS argue that this is a sign of being trapped in Frog's paradigm, his lens of viewing reality, and call upon the audience to reject his vision.
After some criticism leveled at Frog for his interjecting himself in the Donal/Nasser dispute, Liam offers his own "hot take" on the situation. Liam's theory was that this was all born of Sketch Therapy, Frog's "number one attack dog", and his reign of terror over Comicsgate creators, until they all learned how to defeat Sketch Therapy once and for all in a technique Liam innovated and in fact named after him, which consists of blocking Sketch while continuing to talk shit about him. This one move instantly made Liam and anyone who "did a Liam" invulnerable to Sketch. This loss of his attack dog displeased Frog, who I like to imagine thumping his desk in anger while cursing Liam's tactical genius, this loss of his right hand in Sketch Therapy leading to him deciding on bringing back the ultimate enforcer to impose his will on Comicsgate: Nasser Rabadi. One can just imagine Nasser and Frog meeting up at a dockyard at night, or perhaps behind a pizzeria, where @NasserRabadi13 would be handed a plain manila envelope containing an orange photo of Liam to make "lolclicks" out of, the horror writer giving his silent answer by crushing the photo into a ball in his black-gloved grip...
MOS, listening to this
Liam begins to articulate Frog's endgame, where Donal is practically enslaved to finance his own personal gayop enforcer in Nasser when Preston Poulter, apparently finished from his D&D game with Doug TenNapel, joins the stream at 2:35:10. When Preston starts to speak and give his perspective as a hobbyist litigant on the weak foundation of Zack's lawsuit in the first place, Liam proceeds to stare into the camera and seethe in silence, Poulter's vocal proclaiming of Liam's domestic abuse and refusal to hand over SWC's dox evidently not forgotten.
Ro eventually broaches the subject of Preston's coverage of Liam; Preston boasts proudly of being one of those to "discover Liam" early on and now it everyone's making content out of the benighted Australian. Out of mercy, he has has decided to lay off the orange koala and indeed gave an olive branch made out of mutual hatred of Frog. From there Nick complains of the inevitably of more "old pros' come in with their recycled creator-owned IPs while Ro and Preston exchange formal pleasantries.
It's later on when Panboy of all people addresses the contradiction of criticizing CG for having failed their principles of standing against cancel culture while having Preston and Liam on, people who have struck at channels and campaigns in the past - in the interest of staying true to themselves, Pan demands they answer for themselves. Preston says he's a believer in cancel culture at this point and, in Pan's words, has concluded his personal Comicsgate journey by "embracing evil". Liam's answer was skipped to open the floor to whoever wants a word with these luminaries, "DonutSwan", dressed like his hero Ro, is given a rare opportunity to say something to the Preston Poulter and Liam Gray. Next is "WordNerd", who hails the chat and brethren followed by "BlaccDaddy" his dark complexion struggling furiously against the green screen backdrop. They express their deep dismay at Zack dropping his lawsuit and all that signifies. Wordnerd follows this by stating his intent on destroying all the mainstream professionals with his objectively superior comic work.
cheatch, leader of WC 2.0, is brought on to the Comicsgate Funeral, however the Warcampaign elders keep him on mute the for his entire appearance rather than give cheatch the opportunity to hijack the stream, sexually proposition Ro's mother again, offering to deliver consequential parental beatings to Ro or reiterate that he's the head of "WC USA" and relegating Ro to "leader of WC India". Instead Doug TenNapel is brought in for hopefully a higher level of conversation. Sadly, we are left to wonder what cheatch's thoughts were regarding the death of Comicsgate (though his backdrop and attire provide an intriguing clue...)
Doug talks about his new upswing making Trump videos and guesting on Steven Crowder and Ro, Liam sulking in the corner as Ro offers the EWJ scriibe a copy of Vestige 2 and expresses his desire to mend bridges and be together with him again, Doug says "trust is to be earned", but Ro expresses his desire for everyone to come together once more. Doug says that this "Legion of Doom" should not be made in opposition to CG or EVS, because that's a fundamentally weak approach and that if they're to form a group that it should be geared towards gathering as broad an audience as possible. Ro dubs Doug TenNapel an honorary member of the Warcampaign tonight. Doug offers Ro dinner at his place. After a brief attempt by Liam to have the last word, Ro closes the stream.
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TenNappel: too boomer to live, too boomer to die. If I don't see another try-hard troll livestream from him, it will be too soon. That Doug would snuggle up to WC and they would accept shows a severely underdeveloped or possibly damaged prefrontal cortex on both sides.
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This is a great review of the Diet Tribe session from last night. My assessment of it - A bunch of people who EVS doesn't think can help him anymore. They are all butthurt together but can't let their own personal differences with each other go.
12/27/2020 - WARCAMPAIGN COMICSGATE LIVE
This was a rare, actually anticipated Warcampaign stream, a week of buildup on social media leading to it, a promised "open forum" to all who wish to discuss the death of Comicsgate now that WC are no longer around to "safekeep" it.
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Opening with a clip collage of various psychologists discussing the deceptive and ruinous nature of man's selfish ego, the show then transitions to Ro screaming his usual hails in front of a fiery backdrop and elatedly welcoming back "TylerDurden" into the inner circle of Warcampaign, motivated to do so from a heady mixture of increased free time, dejection with the current course of Comicsgate and Ty's total obscurity outside of the small bubble that is WC. Still this is cause for celebration within that bubble, the hosts even going so far as to dust off WC's old intro that includes Tyler.
After some filler on "super gonorrhea" and complaints about the lack of femininity in the latest Wonder Woman film (set to a backdrop of Simple Zack as WW), it's at 16 minutes that the first responder to the WC invitational makes himself known in the chat - Doug TenNapel - and Ro takes this as a sign to read off superchats and begin discussing the subject of the stream. His opening indictment against Comicsgate was the lack of books produced over the span of time. Ty relates his own experience of backing everything CG at first, then as the number of creators kept growing, found himself only backing projects that "looked good" like Super Harem, conflating greater options with a lack of enthusiasm. Ro in turn recounts his personal history as a Zack follower looking to fight the culture war against those who would cancel Zack and being introduced to Frog that way. WC's position as "88th most powerful entity in comics 2019", conferred by Rich Johnston as a force for purity testing intra-Comicsgate conflict, is touted proudly followed by each of the inner circle proclaiming their disillusionment in being betrayed by Frog and Zack.
Doug arrives at 36 minutes in to show off his new studio, having some off-time before a scheduled D&D game with Preston Poulter. Ro asks for Doug's thoughts on this retrospective on Comicsgate; TenNapel says it was two years too late if you ask him, and that he'd just like to tell them "I told you so" in so many words. Doug's position is that Zack is a gentle soul who should be busy making comics as he is doing instead of grifting money from "simps and suckas" when pursuing a lawsuit. Ro points out that Zack asked for the fans to open their wallets for his lawsuit; Doug says that Zack should give that money back, but that he hopes Zack buys a lamborghini with the GFM to drive it in to WC and people like them's heads that they may as well be flushing their money down the toilet when they donate to causes like this. Gat Hanzo speaks up, saying that the abdication of Zack's lawsuit amounted to no less than the spiritual death of Comicsgate as a movement. Doug says that from the minute he was let into the inner circle, he knew right away that Comicsgate" was always a brand marketing business masquerading itself as a cultural movement and that it was compromised from the very beginning, that whatever Gat saw in it was a mirage.
Some old history is revisited regarding Bigfoot Bill's 106 international backers, the 106 that Ro diplomatically adds have now been fulfilled. Doug gladly adds the additional features such as the "Making of" book he added at no charge with his belated fulfillment and, I suspect out of habit at this point, goes into his well-worn incomprehensible rant about how the international backers "didn't care" if he fulfilled or not and that all the outcry was from Sketch Therapy and "the Youtube outrage culture". Ro says "Excuse me?"
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Doug realizing he fucked up in real time.
At this point the reception for the Dirtworm is considerably more frosty, the dialogue between Ro and Doug seasoned with throat-clearing and stammering until the WC leader deftly clears the air by offering DMs of Frog celebrating the EWJ artist's cancer. Doug speculates that the reason Frog hates him so is because of his unyielding values and his inability to be compromised, that the only way to truly test them would be to go after his family, and that all involved have decided that this is a line that is not to be crossed even with all the doxing and gayops. Gat Hanzo/David Wright mentions Kiwi Farms for the first time, to which Doug says "that's not cool" in clear concern for the white rapper's welfare. Gat laments in the short time that Warcampaign has been away from Comicsgate, these "shitty types of people have crept in". Pan then pipes up to say "Even shittier than us", to which Doug laughs in response, recalling the $20,000 in refunds he suffered and that he wants to be the inspiration that makes Warcampaign uplift themselves into becoming better people.
This digresses into a discussion on the finite nature of outrage movements as a whole, Ro expressing his growing distaste at grown men monetizing crying on the internet like a little girl, the Quartering's GFM for getting popped by a tranny at a MTG convention being held as the gold standard for this. Doug starts to lecture on the responsibility people with a following have to not use impressionable people as a personal army, but Ro quickly cuts him off to argue that he sees himself as a "representative of the audience" as opposed to a leader and then talking about Vestige #2's sales figures. Doug then leaves to pick up his D&D game with Preston (for now) leaving Ro to stew on Doug's self-satisfaction over being proven right over shots of hard liquor.
This is followed by a long interlude of superchats being read and then wistfulness that Zack didn't pursue his litigation against Mark Waid with the same heroic conviction that Panboy fought the criminal cyberstalking charges leveled against him by Crypto Comics as well as some mining of the rich source of copium that is S.A. Rivera/"LiteratureDevil"'s tweets over the dismissal of Zack's lawsuit. Some attention is spared for Literature Devil's "MS-Paint" and "Narwhal-tier" interior art for the long delayed "Doctor Alpha", Gat explaining that Lit Devil is from "TUG's crowd" and is thus implicitly a grifter predating on CG.
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At 1:39:30, Edwin Boyette is the second guest to join on this posthumous celebration of our favorite internet comic book movement. In case you hadn't picked up on his shirt and the backdrop, Edwin is all about politics now. Ro asks Edwin how he's been doing and how he feels about "calling it a day" for Comicsgate. Edwin answers that he's all about politics now, and that after talking to hundreds of thousands of people in the real world as the a GOP rep in Hawaii, none of whom had ever heard of Comicsgate, his takeaway is it was never a relevant or meaningful force in the first place and that the medium of comics is statistically not big enough to hold any significance in the greater culture. That all CG does is merely downstream of actual struggles for control of culture. Ro and Gat fish for a statement regarding Shane Davis' Starlight Cats, the childish nature of which they regard as an aesthetic betrayal of Comicsgate's origins in works like "A Case for the Littlest Umbrella". Edwin demonstrates his improved political acumen by delivering the most civil "I don't care" I've ever seen, followed by mumbling something instead about the infiltration of Marxists into mass media as per the postmodernist agenda of the Frankfurt School and intellectuals like Horkheimer and Gramsci. This interview is a bit of a dud as both parties grope in the dark to find a subject that holds both of their interest. Eventually Ro gives up and settles for taunting a muted Edwin with an impersonation of Boyette followed by asking for his take on the current political climate and a eulogy for CG.
Boyette's fairly conservative statement is that CG largely succeeded in its goal of being able to produce comic books without outside interference but also largely failed in any intent it had to effect the greater culture, the latter of which in Edwin's estimation was never a realistic goal in the first place. That while this may not have been the victory Warcampaign was going for, that it is a victory nonetheless. Ro, non-plussed at this lack of denouement for CG, thanks Edwin for his time and sends him on his way.
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At 2:04:59, "Julio" (not pictured) and Liam Gray are brought in, looking very thoughtful as they place their hands over their mouths. Julio's contribution is to say that WC won, because they made Vestige.
Finally Liam takes the mic and says that while he had some misgivings appearing on a non-Conquest stream, that eventually he decided to accept the invitation so that he could say that joining Comicsgate was the worst mistake he could have ever made as a new creator. That he gave "$6000 in superchats" (for Smiller as I recall) only for his reward to be nominated as a lolcow to put on a show for the CG plebs. In this late hour of reminiscing for Comicsgate Lost, Liam recounts how it was he who counseled Richard C Meyer via e-mail to go forth and create Jawbreakers, trying to inspire Ya Boi Zack to make a difference. Zack rejected Liam's advice (at first), which Liam starts to launch into the retelling of his Hero's Journey and how he was forced to walk a lonely road in the fight for comics before meeting his fellow brothers like Vinnie Tartamella and Warcampaign, Ro tragically cuts this story off at the pass to ask Liam that, now looking back, does he realize that Ro was his only friend? Liam says "It feels that way".
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Liam says his awakening to the true nature of Comicsgate was the (unnamed) Live With Liam #12 where he fought then regular Liamstream guest Sketch Therapy. The trauma of facing Sketch himself was so intense that he told Frog he wanted nothing to do with Sketch ever again, to which Frog responded with compassion and consideration by bringing them both onto his program to fight it out as content for his own audience. Eventually Frog relented and removed Sketch only for Sketch to repeatedly sneak on with alts to ambush Liam with, much to Frog's dismay at this abuse of (his) trust. The clips of this were helpfully compiled and hosted by Sketch Therapy himself here for those interested. Ro tells Liam that he cannot allow himself to be caught in a state of constant reaction to these people, "especially those Kiwi Farmers, I would rape their mothers if they said that shit about me". Liam continues on how after this betrayal (in mid-April), he declared himself "out" of Comicsgate (declared here officially by Liam on November 17th). The Orange Koala was going to continue on how WC stood by him time and again when TinfoilHatNick joins the proceedings. For those who don't know, Nick is a WCer who's CG clout, built piecemeal over tens of thousands of Indiegogo retweets, went up in a fire of Ellen memes during the early days of the CG Sped Civil War of April.
TinfoilNick gives a blunt assessment of the Meyer-Waid settlement, saying that the lawsuit was launched to send a message against people who try to cancel others and that Zack's dismissal of the suit is being interpreted by the SJWs as a capitulation and proof that Comicsgate is a joke. More interestingly, he argues that CG wasn't a complete failure given that recent "events" in mainstream comics like DC's "Death Metal" series were in fact a marked improvement over what was being offered 2-3 years ago. That works like Three Jokers , while imperfect, are perfectly acceptable fare. Liam in contrast predicts 2021 being a year of death and war as resurgent SJWs will smell blood and move to finish off non-compliant indie creators to cement their cultural hegemon.
Apropos nothing, WC tranny Man Of S3X remarks that even the Kiwifarmers live in Frog's world these days and that he for one fundamentally disagrees with the premise that bringing in more comic book professionals will result in a larger total customer pool for all, that what he sees is the original inceptors and true believers in Comicsgate being muscled away from the pay trough. To which I would say that 1) growth is a natural consequence of success in a capitalist system, 2) that the success of crowdfunding comics is not limited to "Comicsgate" and 3) that Comicsgate must either evolve in this competitive system or retreat into a sandbox where substandard, overpriced amateur product can continue to eke out an existence until it invariably succumbs to entropy. Ro and MOS argue that this is a sign of being trapped in Frog's paradigm, his lens of viewing reality, and call upon the audience to reject his vision.
After some criticism leveled at Frog for his interjecting himself in the Donal/Nasser dispute, Liam offers his own "hot take" on the situation. Liam's theory was that this was all born of Sketch Therapy, Frog's "number one attack dog", and his reign of terror over Comicsgate creators, until they all learned how to defeat Sketch Therapy once and for all in a technique Liam innovated and in fact named after him, which consists of blocking Sketch while continuing to talk shit about him. This one move instantly made Liam and anyone who "did a Liam" invulnerable to Sketch. This loss of his attack dog displeased Frog, who I like to imagine thumping his desk in anger while cursing Liam's tactical genius, this loss of his right hand in Sketch Therapy leading to him deciding on bringing back the ultimate enforcer to impose his will on Comicsgate: Nasser Rabadi. One can just imagine Nasser and Frog meeting up at a dockyard at night, or perhaps behind a pizzeria, where @NasserRabadi13 would be handed a plain manila envelope containing an orange photo of Liam to make "lolclicks" out of, the horror writer giving his silent answer by crushing the photo into a ball in his black-gloved grip...
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Liam begins to articulate Frog's endgame, where Donal is practically enslaved to finance his own personal gayop enforcer in Nasser when Preston Poulter, apparently finished from his D&D game with Doug TenNapel, joins the stream at 2:35:10. When Preston starts to speak and give his perspective as a hobbyist litigant on the weak foundation of Zack's lawsuit in the first place, Liam proceeds to stare into the camera and seethe in silence, Poulter's vocal proclaiming of Liam's domestic abuse and refusal to hand over SWC's dox evidently not forgotten.
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Ro eventually broaches the subject of Preston's coverage of Liam; Preston boasts proudly of being one of those to "discover Liam" early on and now it everyone's making content out of the benighted Australian. Out of mercy, he has has decided to lay off the orange koala and indeed gave an olive branch made out of mutual hatred of Frog. From there Nick complains of the inevitably of more "old pros' come in with their recycled creator-owned IPs while Ro and Preston exchange formal pleasantries.
It's later on when Panboy of all people addresses the contradiction of criticizing CG for having failed their principles of standing against cancel culture while having Preston and Liam on, people who have struck at channels and campaigns in the past - in the interest of staying true to themselves, Pan demands they answer for themselves. Preston says he's a believer in cancel culture at this point and, in Pan's words, has concluded his personal Comicsgate journey by "embracing evil". Liam's answer was skipped to open the floor to whoever wants a word with these luminaries, "DonutSwan", dressed like his hero Ro, is given a rare opportunity to say something to the Preston Poulter and Liam Gray. Next is "WordNerd", who hails the chat and brethren followed by "BlaccDaddy" his dark complexion struggling furiously against the green screen backdrop. They express their deep dismay at Zack dropping his lawsuit and all that signifies. Wordnerd follows this by stating his intent on destroying all the mainstream professionals with his objectively superior comic work.
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cheatch, leader of WC 2.0, is brought on to the Comicsgate Funeral, however the Warcampaign elders keep him on mute the for his entire appearance rather than give cheatch the opportunity to hijack the stream, sexually proposition Ro's mother again, offering to deliver consequential parental beatings to Ro or reiterate that he's the head of "WC USA" and relegating Ro to "leader of WC India". Instead Doug TenNapel is brought in for hopefully a higher level of conversation. Sadly, we are left to wonder what cheatch's thoughts were regarding the death of Comicsgate (though his backdrop and attire provide an intriguing clue...)
Doug talks about his new upswing making Trump videos and guesting on Steven Crowder and Ro, Liam sulking in the corner as Ro offers the EWJ scriibe a copy of Vestige 2 and expresses his desire to mend bridges and be together with him again, Doug says "trust is to be earned", but Ro expresses his desire for everyone to come together once more. Doug says that this "Legion of Doom" should not be made in opposition to CG or EVS, because that's a fundamentally weak approach and that if they're to form a group that it should be geared towards gathering as broad an audience as possible. Ro dubs Doug TenNapel an honorary member of the Warcampaign tonight. Doug offers Ro dinner at his place. After a brief attempt by Liam to have the last word, Ro closes the stream.
It was nothing but a PR attempt for WC to claim relevancy still by showing all of them together on a stream and hope people of regular intelligence doesn't listen to the substance of the stream.
I didn't listen to this trash fire of a stream, but in your assessment @Mister Dongs I picked up on the point Liam said he gave "6,000 dollars in super chats to Mike Miller". Old RO would of said PROVE IT. Its not hard to do. I find it very hard to believe Liam even has 10 bucks to donate in super chats.
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I didnt buy yours, because i got burned by Zacks books shipping. you guys have to figure out shipping to europe.
CG books are just not worth twice the money of a good european book when half of it is shipping.
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Another brilliant write up, I'm glad you did it to spare me re-watching the stream and I could delete my draft. It was probably the most interesting stream to come from Warcampaign since the failed #BlackDragon reveal stream which was advertised as an airing of Comicsgate's dirty laundry but ended up being a bait and switch to shill Vestige 2, which resulted in most of the Warcampaign elevated being doxed for their impudence.
12/27/2020 - WARCAMPAIGN COMICSGATE LIVE
This was a rare, actually anticipated Warcampaign stream, a week of buildup on social media leading to it, a promised "open forum" to all who wish to discuss the death of Comicsgate now that WC are no longer around to "safekeep" it.
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Opening with a clip collage of various psychologists discussing the deceptive and ruinous nature of man's selfish ego, the show then transitions to Ro screaming his usual hails in front of a fiery backdrop and elatedly welcoming back "TylerDurden" into the inner circle of Warcampaign, motivated to do so from a heady mixture of increased free time, dejection with the current course of Comicsgate and Ty's total obscurity outside of the small bubble that is WC. Still this is cause for celebration within that bubble, the hosts even going so far as to dust off WC's old intro that includes Tyler.
After some filler on "super gonorrhea" and complaints about the lack of femininity in the latest Wonder Woman film (set to a backdrop of Simple Zack as WW), it's at 16 minutes that the first responder to the WC invitational makes himself known in the chat - Doug TenNapel - and Ro takes this as a sign to read off superchats and begin discussing the subject of the stream. His opening indictment against Comicsgate was the lack of books produced over the span of time. Ty relates his own experience of backing everything CG at first, then as the number of creators kept growing, found himself only backing projects that "looked good" like Super Harem, conflating greater options with a lack of enthusiasm. Ro in turn recounts his personal history as a Zack follower looking to fight the culture war against those who would cancel Zack and being introduced to Frog that way. WC's position as "88th most powerful entity in comics 2019", conferred by Rich Johnston as a force for purity testing intra-Comicsgate conflict, is touted proudly followed by each of the inner circle proclaiming their disillusionment in being betrayed by Frog and Zack.
Doug arrives at 36 minutes in to show off his new studio, having some off-time before a scheduled D&D game with Preston Poulter. Ro asks for Doug's thoughts on this retrospective on Comicsgate; TenNapel says it was two years too late if you ask him, and that he'd just like to tell them "I told you so" in so many words. Doug's position is that Zack is a gentle soul who should be busy making comics as he is doing instead of grifting money from "simps and suckas" when pursuing a lawsuit. Ro points out that Zack asked for the fans to open their wallets for his lawsuit; Doug says that Zack should give that money back, but that he hopes Zack buys a lamborghini with the GFM to drive it in to WC and people like them's heads that they may as well be flushing their money down the toilet when they donate to causes like this. Gat Hanzo speaks up, saying that the abdication of Zack's lawsuit amounted to no less than the spiritual death of Comicsgate as a movement. Doug says that from the minute he was let into the inner circle, he knew right away that Comicsgate" was always a brand marketing business masquerading itself as a cultural movement and that it was compromised from the very beginning, that whatever Gat saw in it was a mirage.
Some old history is revisited regarding Bigfoot Bill's 106 international backers, the 106 that Ro diplomatically adds have now been fulfilled. Doug gladly adds the additional features such as the "Making of" book he added at no charge with his belated fulfillment and, I suspect out of habit at this point, goes into his well-worn incomprehensible rant about how the international backers "didn't care" if he fulfilled or not and that all the outcry was from Sketch Therapy and "the Youtube outrage culture". Ro says "Excuse me?"
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At this point the reception for the Dirtworm is considerably more frosty, the dialogue between Ro and Doug seasoned with throat-clearing and stammering until the WC leader deftly clears the air by offering DMs of Frog celebrating the EWJ artist's cancer. Doug speculates that the reason Frog hates him so is because of his unyielding values and his inability to be compromised, that the only way to truly test them would be to go after his family, and that all involved have decided that this is a line that is not to be crossed even with all the doxing and gayops. Gat Hanzo/David Wright mentions Kiwi Farms for the first time, to which Doug says "that's not cool" in clear concern for the white rapper's welfare. Gat laments in the short time that Warcampaign has been away from Comicsgate, these "shitty types of people have crept in". Pan then pipes up to say "Even shittier than us", to which Doug laughs in response, recalling the $20,000 in refunds he suffered and that he wants to be the inspiration that makes Warcampaign uplift themselves into becoming better people.
This digresses into a discussion on the finite nature of outrage movements as a whole, Ro expressing his growing distaste at grown men monetizing crying on the internet like a little girl, the Quartering's GFM for getting popped by a tranny at a MTG convention being held as the gold standard for this. Doug starts to lecture on the responsibility people with a following have to not use impressionable people as a personal army, but Ro quickly cuts him off to argue that he sees himself as a "representative of the audience" as opposed to a leader and then talking about Vestige #2's sales figures. Doug then leaves to pick up his D&D game with Preston (for now) leaving Ro to stew on Doug's self-satisfaction over being proven right over shots of hard liquor.
This is followed by a long interlude of superchats being read and then wistfulness that Zack didn't pursue his litigation against Mark Waid with the same heroic conviction that Panboy fought the criminal cyberstalking charges leveled against him by Crypto Comics as well as some mining of the rich source of copium that is S.A. Rivera/"LiteratureDevil"'s tweets over the dismissal of Zack's lawsuit. Some attention is spared for Literature Devil's "MS-Paint" and "Narwhal-tier" interior art for the long delayed "Doctor Alpha", Gat explaining that Lit Devil is from "TUG's crowd" and is thus implicitly a grifter predating on CG.
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At 1:39:30, Edwin Boyette is the second guest to join on this posthumous celebration of our favorite internet comic book movement. In case you hadn't picked up on his shirt and the backdrop, Edwin is all about politics now. Ro asks Edwin how he's been doing and how he feels about "calling it a day" for Comicsgate. Edwin answers that he's all about politics now, and that after talking to hundreds of thousands of people in the real world as the a GOP rep in Hawaii, none of whom had ever heard of Comicsgate, his takeaway is it was never a relevant or meaningful force in the first place and that the medium of comics is statistically not big enough to hold any significance in the greater culture. That all CG does is merely downstream of actual struggles for control of culture. Ro and Gat fish for a statement regarding Shane Davis' Starlight Cats, the childish nature of which they regard as an aesthetic betrayal of Comicsgate's origins in works like "A Case for the Littlest Umbrella". Edwin demonstrates his improved political acumen by delivering the most civil "I don't care" I've ever seen, followed by mumbling something instead about the infiltration of Marxists into mass media as per the postmodernist agenda of the Frankfurt School and intellectuals like Horkheimer and Gramsci. This interview is a bit of a dud as both parties grope in the dark to find a subject that holds both of their interest. Eventually Ro gives up and settles for taunting a muted Edwin with an impersonation of Boyette followed by asking for his take on the current political climate and a eulogy for CG.
Boyette's fairly conservative statement is that CG largely succeeded in its goal of being able to produce comic books without outside interference but also largely failed in any intent it had to effect the greater culture, the latter of which in Edwin's estimation was never a realistic goal in the first place. That while this may not have been the victory Warcampaign was going for, that it is a victory nonetheless. Ro, non-plussed at this lack of denouement for CG, thanks Edwin for his time and sends him on his way.
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At 2:04:59, "Julio" (not pictured) and Liam Gray are brought in, looking very thoughtful as they place their hands over their mouths. Julio's contribution is to say that WC won, because they made Vestige.
Finally Liam takes the mic and says that while he had some misgivings appearing on a non-Conquest stream, that eventually he decided to accept the invitation so that he could say that joining Comicsgate was the worst mistake he could have ever made as a new creator. That he gave "$6000 in superchats" (for Smiller as I recall) only for his reward to be nominated as a lolcow to put on a show for the CG plebs. In this late hour of reminiscing for Comicsgate Lost, Liam recounts how it was he who counseled Richard C Meyer via e-mail to go forth and create Jawbreakers, trying to inspire Ya Boi Zack to make a difference. Zack rejected Liam's advice (at first), which Liam starts to launch into the retelling of his Hero's Journey and how he was forced to walk a lonely road in the fight for comics before meeting his fellow brothers like Vinnie Tartamella and Warcampaign, Ro tragically cuts this story off at the pass to ask Liam that, now looking back, does he realize that Ro was his only friend? Liam says "It feels that way".
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Liam says his awakening to the true nature of Comicsgate was the (unnamed) Live With Liam #12 where he fought then regular Liamstream guest Sketch Therapy. The trauma of facing Sketch himself was so intense that he told Frog he wanted nothing to do with Sketch ever again, to which Frog responded with compassion and consideration by bringing them both onto his program to fight it out as content for his own audience. Eventually Frog relented and removed Sketch only for Sketch to repeatedly sneak on with alts to ambush Liam with, much to Frog's dismay at this abuse of (his) trust. The clips of this were helpfully compiled and hosted by Sketch Therapy himself here for those interested. Ro tells Liam that he cannot allow himself to be caught in a state of constant reaction to these people, "especially those Kiwi Farmers, I would rape their mothers if they said that shit about me". Liam continues on how after this betrayal (in mid-April), he declared himself "out" of Comicsgate (declared here officially by Liam on November 17th). The Orange Koala was going to continue on how WC stood by him time and again when TinfoilHatNick joins the proceedings. For those who don't know, Nick is a WCer who's CG clout, built piecemeal over tens of thousands of Indiegogo retweets, went up in a fire of Ellen memes during the early days of the CG Sped Civil War of April.
TinfoilNick gives a blunt assessment of the Meyer-Waid settlement, saying that the lawsuit was launched to send a message against people who try to cancel others and that Zack's dismissal of the suit is being interpreted by the SJWs as a capitulation and proof that Comicsgate is a joke. More interestingly, he argues that CG wasn't a complete failure given that recent "events" in mainstream comics like DC's "Death Metal" series were in fact a marked improvement over what was being offered 2-3 years ago. That works like Three Jokers , while imperfect, are perfectly acceptable fare. Liam in contrast predicts 2021 being a year of death and war as resurgent SJWs will smell blood and move to finish off non-compliant indie creators to cement their cultural hegemon.
Apropos nothing, WC tranny Man Of S3X remarks that even the Kiwifarmers live in Frog's world these days and that he for one fundamentally disagrees with the premise that bringing in more comic book professionals will result in a larger total customer pool for all, that what he sees is the original inceptors and true believers in Comicsgate being muscled away from the pay trough. To which I would say that 1) growth is a natural consequence of success in a capitalist system, 2) that the success of crowdfunding comics is not limited to "Comicsgate" and 3) that Comicsgate must either evolve in this competitive system or retreat into a sandbox where substandard, overpriced amateur product can continue to eke out an existence until it invariably succumbs to entropy. Ro and MOS argue that this is a sign of being trapped in Frog's paradigm, his lens of viewing reality, and call upon the audience to reject his vision.
After some criticism leveled at Frog for his interjecting himself in the Donal/Nasser dispute, Liam offers his own "hot take" on the situation. Liam's theory was that this was all born of Sketch Therapy, Frog's "number one attack dog", and his reign of terror over Comicsgate creators, until they all learned how to defeat Sketch Therapy once and for all in a technique Liam innovated and in fact named after him, which consists of blocking Sketch while continuing to talk shit about him. This one move instantly made Liam and anyone who "did a Liam" invulnerable to Sketch. This loss of his attack dog displeased Frog, who I like to imagine thumping his desk in anger while cursing Liam's tactical genius, this loss of his right hand in Sketch Therapy leading to him deciding on bringing back the ultimate enforcer to impose his will on Comicsgate: Nasser Rabadi. One can just imagine Nasser and Frog meeting up at a dockyard at night, or perhaps behind a pizzeria, where @NasserRabadi13 would be handed a plain manila envelope containing an orange photo of Liam to make "lolclicks" out of, the horror writer giving his silent answer by crushing the photo into a ball in his black-gloved grip...
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Liam begins to articulate Frog's endgame, where Donal is practically enslaved to finance his own personal gayop enforcer in Nasser when Preston Poulter, apparently finished from his D&D game with Doug TenNapel, joins the stream at 2:35:10. When Preston starts to speak and give his perspective as a hobbyist litigant on the weak foundation of Zack's lawsuit in the first place, Liam proceeds to stare into the camera and seethe in silence, Poulter's vocal proclaiming of Liam's domestic abuse and refusal to hand over SWC's dox evidently not forgotten.
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Ro eventually broaches the subject of Preston's coverage of Liam; Preston boasts proudly of being one of those to "discover Liam" early on and now it everyone's making content out of the benighted Australian. Out of mercy, he has has decided to lay off the orange koala and indeed gave an olive branch made out of mutual hatred of Frog. From there Nick complains of the inevitably of more "old pros' come in with their recycled creator-owned IPs while Ro and Preston exchange formal pleasantries.
It's later on when Panboy of all people addresses the contradiction of criticizing CG for having failed their principles of standing against cancel culture while having Preston and Liam on, people who have struck at channels and campaigns in the past - in the interest of staying true to themselves, Pan demands they answer for themselves. Preston says he's a believer in cancel culture at this point and, in Pan's words, has concluded his personal Comicsgate journey by "embracing evil". Liam's answer was skipped to open the floor to whoever wants a word with these luminaries, "DonutSwan", dressed like his hero Ro, is given a rare opportunity to say something to the Preston Poulter and Liam Gray. Next is "WordNerd", who hails the chat and brethren followed by "BlaccDaddy" his dark complexion struggling furiously against the green screen backdrop. They express their deep dismay at Zack dropping his lawsuit and all that signifies. Wordnerd follows this by stating his intent on destroying all the mainstream professionals with his objectively superior comic work.
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cheatch, leader of WC 2.0, is brought on to the Comicsgate Funeral, however the Warcampaign elders keep him on mute the for his entire appearance rather than give cheatch the opportunity to hijack the stream, sexually proposition Ro's mother again, offering to deliver consequential parental beatings to Ro or reiterate that he's the head of "WC USA" and relegating Ro to "leader of WC India". Instead Doug TenNapel is brought in for hopefully a higher level of conversation. Sadly, we are left to wonder what cheatch's thoughts were regarding the death of Comicsgate (though his backdrop and attire provide an intriguing clue...)
Doug talks about his new upswing making Trump videos and guesting on Steven Crowder and Ro, Liam sulking in the corner as Ro offers the EWJ scriibe a copy of Vestige 2 and expresses his desire to mend bridges and be together with him again, Doug says "trust is to be earned", but Ro expresses his desire for everyone to come together once more. Doug says that this "Legion of Doom" should not be made in opposition to CG or EVS, because that's a fundamentally weak approach and that if they're to form a group that it should be geared towards gathering as broad an audience as possible. Ro dubs Doug TenNapel an honorary member of the Warcampaign tonight. Doug offers Ro dinner at his place. After a brief attempt by Liam to have the last word, Ro closes the stream.
Man of S3x clearly doesn't read the farms, while Frog has his defenders in the thread he equally has as many critics and aloggers. Mathias Denichi is clearly still sore about getting his own place in this thread and just can't help attempting to denigrate the Farms as "Frog simps" in some retaliatory powerless counterattack. Though listening to Doug TenNapel praise Warcampaign for never targeting family members (something which they did actually do) only to have Gat Hanzo/David W Brooks cry about how "my whole family ended up on kiwifarms" brought a smile to my face.
Liam remains completely deranged as ever, when has Nasser ever been useful as an attack dog of Frogs? Sketch Therapy perhaps, but Nasser is nothing more than a young, idealistic author who can't even keep his own stream's guests under control. Liam's theory on the Frog/Nasser relationship comes across as the ramblings of an obsessed, crazy person when the truth is Ethan probably just has a soft spot for Nasser given their shared history together and Nasser's youth. Rather than Nasser being Frog's no.1 go to gay-opper (a role traditional more akin to Warcampaign), I see it more of a mentor and apprentice relationship and Frog clearly see's something in Nasser and wishes to guide him along his journey of one day becoming an accomplished writer.
The Warcampaign stream was fascinating in a way to observe all these collective personalities, who traditionally despise one another, come together to offer their thoughts on the "funeral of Comicsgate." Who would have thought we would ever see Warcampaign, Preston Poulter, Liam Gray, Doug TenNapel and Edwin Boyette all share a stream with one another.
Unfortunately if this was an attempt by Warcampaign to network and band together a rag tag team of Comicsgate exiles and apostates into something of a triumvirate faction of Frog hater's then it's a foolish and near sighted endeavor. Forming a group based on shared hatred is a rocky foundation in which to build an alliance, which Preston Poulter himself should be well aware of. Preston's Comicsgate™ faction imploded several months ago with various interpersonal rivalries and grudges emerging from Vikki, DA Talks, Zombienomicon, the SWC brothers, Mecha McCheese, The Comic Book Hut, Jon Del Arroz, Capn Cummings and Preston himself. Several of these personalities still retain relationships but most split off and once the dust settled, Preston found himself alone and devoid of allies which may explain his cozying up to Warcampaign.
The destruction of the Comicsgate™ faction mirrors the early growing pains of Comicsgate itself during late 2018 and early 2019, when the various personalities united in shared hatred of the mainstream comic book industry. All was well until these differing groups idea of what Comicsgate should be splintered them off into various factions, OG-CG, The Vox Day fanatics, The God Squad etc.
If Ro Kabir thinks he can hogtie Preston, Liam Gray and Doug TenNapel into a network of creators under Warcampaigns influence, despite many of these people hating each other than he is even more foolish than I thought.
To be united by hatred, is a fragile alliance at best.
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If this is a simple play for continued dramabucks, a more bountiful harvest will soon be upon us. If they can manage to keep Liam on long enough to reveal that he had to beat his mother in order to keep her from asking him when she was getting her money back. Let's talk about that 6k though. To commemorate such an amazing contribution to EVS in return for short lived CG clout, Liam has transcended the paypiggy label, he has become the froghog.
That's a low effort flipbook right there. Do we know if Tom is vegan?
That's a low effort flipbook right there. Do we know if Tom is vegan?
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Those anti-SJWs are just as bad as the SJWs, amirite? And really, why can't you use someone's pronouns, being an asshole isn't something to gloat about.
Kennedy has next to nothing to do with the Mandalorian creatively, thank Christ. Try again, Uglier Stupider KillthemCrackasBabies.
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According to Playboard, Mike S Miller's channel has made a lifetime total of $1,046.56 on superchats.
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Meanwhile, my culture war defamation lawsuit which gets zero attention because it's a real one against a real institution not just some celebrity comic writer, which I'm going to see through all the way just got a trial date of June 14, 2021.
I'm going through all the way. I'm going to win. I will not back down nor settle because I am in this for the cause of ensuring conservatives can safely attend conventions and sell their books/art without fear of getting harassed by the convention organizers when faced with threats of violence from SJWs.
I'm going through all the way. I'm going to win. I will not back down nor settle because I am in this for the cause of ensuring conservatives can safely attend conventions and sell their books/art without fear of getting harassed by the convention organizers when faced with threats of violence from SJWs.
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This is why people hate me because I ask basic questions.Blacklist Universe YouTube Channel Analytics Report - PLAYBOARD
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According to Playboard, Mike S Miller's channel has made a lifetime total of $1,046.56 on superchats.
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in other words, Liam is full of shit. I know at least 400 of those dollars were from Frog when he stopped by Mike’s channel either during an auction or during the end of his Bless this Mess campaign,
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Ro is acting like more of a scorned woman than any of them. It's funny to watch Preston, who has reached Acceptance, meet Ro at Bargaining.
Good stuff, thanks for the play by play. I couldn't attend.
Good stuff, thanks for the play by play. I couldn't attend.
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You can laugh at @FROG and his pizza parlor habits, but the man has more evil Exes than Ramona Flowers...
12/27/2020 - WARCAMPAIGN COMICSGATE LIVE
This was a rare, actually anticipated Warcampaign stream, a week of buildup on social media leading to it, a promised "open forum" to all who wish to discuss the death of Comicsgate now that WC are no longer around to "safekeep" it.
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Opening with a clip collage of various psychologists discussing the deceptive and ruinous nature of man's selfish ego, the show then transitions to Ro screaming his usual hails in front of a fiery backdrop and elatedly welcoming back "TylerDurden" into the inner circle of Warcampaign, motivated to do so from a heady mixture of increased free time, dejection with the current course of Comicsgate and Ty's total obscurity outside of the small bubble that is WC. Still this is cause for celebration within that bubble, the hosts even going so far as to dust off WC's old intro that includes Tyler.
After some filler on "super gonorrhea" and complaints about the lack of femininity in the latest Wonder Woman film (set to a backdrop of Simple Zack as WW), it's at 16 minutes that the first responder to the WC invitational makes himself known in the chat - Doug TenNapel - and Ro takes this as a sign to read off superchats and begin discussing the subject of the stream. His opening indictment against Comicsgate was the lack of books produced over the span of time. Ty relates his own experience of backing everything CG at first, then as the number of creators kept growing, found himself only backing projects that "looked good" like Super Harem, conflating greater options with a lack of enthusiasm. Ro in turn recounts his personal history as a Zack follower looking to fight the culture war against those who would cancel Zack and being introduced to Frog that way. WC's position as "88th most powerful entity in comics 2019", conferred by Rich Johnston as a force for purity testing intra-Comicsgate conflict, is touted proudly followed by each of the inner circle proclaiming their disillusionment in being betrayed by Frog and Zack.
Doug arrives at 36 minutes in to show off his new studio, having some off-time before a scheduled D&D game with Preston Poulter. Ro asks for Doug's thoughts on this retrospective on Comicsgate; TenNapel says it was two years too late if you ask him, and that he'd just like to tell them "I told you so" in so many words. Doug's position is that Zack is a gentle soul who should be busy making comics as he is doing instead of grifting money from "simps and suckas" when pursuing a lawsuit. Ro points out that Zack asked for the fans to open their wallets for his lawsuit; Doug says that Zack should give that money back, but that he hopes Zack buys a lamborghini with the GFM to drive it in to WC and people like them's heads that they may as well be flushing their money down the toilet when they donate to causes like this. Gat Hanzo speaks up, saying that the abdication of Zack's lawsuit amounted to no less than the spiritual death of Comicsgate as a movement. Doug says that from the minute he was let into the inner circle, he knew right away that Comicsgate" was always a brand marketing business masquerading itself as a cultural movement and that it was compromised from the very beginning, that whatever Gat saw in it was a mirage.
Some old history is revisited regarding Bigfoot Bill's 106 international backers, the 106 that Ro diplomatically adds have now been fulfilled. Doug gladly adds the additional features such as the "Making of" book he added at no charge with his belated fulfillment and, I suspect out of habit at this point, goes into his well-worn incomprehensible rant about how the international backers "didn't care" if he fulfilled or not and that all the outcry was from Sketch Therapy and "the Youtube outrage culture". Ro says "Excuse me?"
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Doug realizing he fucked up in real time.
At this point the reception for the Dirtworm is considerably more frosty, the dialogue between Ro and Doug seasoned with throat-clearing and stammering until the WC leader deftly clears the air by offering DMs of Frog celebrating the EWJ artist's cancer. Doug speculates that the reason Frog hates him so is because of his unyielding values and his inability to be compromised, that the only way to truly test them would be to go after his family, and that all involved have decided that this is a line that is not to be crossed even with all the doxing and gayops. Gat Hanzo/David Wright mentions Kiwi Farms for the first time, to which Doug says "that's not cool" in clear concern for the white rapper's welfare. Gat laments in the short time that Warcampaign has been away from Comicsgate, these "shitty types of people have crept in". Pan then pipes up to say "Even shittier than us", to which Doug laughs in response, recalling the $20,000 in refunds he suffered and that he wants to be the inspiration that makes Warcampaign uplift themselves into becoming better people.
This digresses into a discussion on the finite nature of outrage movements as a whole, Ro expressing his growing distaste at grown men monetizing crying on the internet like a little girl, the Quartering's GFM for getting popped by a tranny at a MTG convention being held as the gold standard for this. Doug starts to lecture on the responsibility people with a following have to not use impressionable people as a personal army, but Ro quickly cuts him off to argue that he sees himself as a "representative of the audience" as opposed to a leader and then talking about Vestige #2's sales figures. Doug then leaves to pick up his D&D game with Preston (for now) leaving Ro to stew on Doug's self-satisfaction over being proven right over shots of hard liquor.
This is followed by a long interlude of superchats being read and then wistfulness that Zack didn't pursue his litigation against Mark Waid with the same heroic conviction that Panboy fought the criminal cyberstalking charges leveled against him by Crypto Comics as well as some mining of the rich source of copium that is S.A. Rivera/"LiteratureDevil"'s tweets over the dismissal of Zack's lawsuit. Some attention is spared for Literature Devil's "MS-Paint" and "Narwhal-tier" interior art for the long delayed "Doctor Alpha", Gat explaining that Lit Devil is from "TUG's crowd" and is thus implicitly a grifter predating on CG.
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At 1:39:30, Edwin Boyette is the second guest to join on this posthumous celebration of our favorite internet comic book movement. In case you hadn't picked up on his shirt and the backdrop, Edwin is all about politics now. Ro asks Edwin how he's been doing and how he feels about "calling it a day" for Comicsgate. Edwin answers that he's all about politics now, and that after talking to hundreds of thousands of people in the real world as the a GOP rep in Hawaii, none of whom had ever heard of Comicsgate, his takeaway is it was never a relevant or meaningful force in the first place and that the medium of comics is statistically not big enough to hold any significance in the greater culture. That all CG does is merely downstream of actual struggles for control of culture. Ro and Gat fish for a statement regarding Shane Davis' Starlight Cats, the childish nature of which they regard as an aesthetic betrayal of Comicsgate's origins in works like "A Case for the Littlest Umbrella". Edwin demonstrates his improved political acumen by delivering the most civil "I don't care" I've ever seen, followed by mumbling something instead about the infiltration of Marxists into mass media as per the postmodernist agenda of the Frankfurt School and intellectuals like Horkheimer and Gramsci. This interview is a bit of a dud as both parties grope in the dark to find a subject that holds both of their interest. Eventually Ro gives up and settles for taunting a muted Edwin with an impersonation of Boyette followed by asking for his take on the current political climate and a eulogy for CG.
Boyette's fairly conservative statement is that CG largely succeeded in its goal of being able to produce comic books without outside interference but also largely failed in any intent it had to effect the greater culture, the latter of which in Edwin's estimation was never a realistic goal in the first place. That while this may not have been the victory Warcampaign was going for, that it is a victory nonetheless. Ro, non-plussed at this lack of denouement for CG, thanks Edwin for his time and sends him on his way.
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At 2:04:59, "Julio" (not pictured) and Liam Gray are brought in, looking very thoughtful as they place their hands over their mouths. Julio's contribution is to say that WC won, because they made Vestige.
Finally Liam takes the mic and says that while he had some misgivings appearing on a non-Conquest stream, that eventually he decided to accept the invitation so that he could say that joining Comicsgate was the worst mistake he could have ever made as a new creator. That he gave "$6000 in superchats" (for Smiller as I recall) only for his reward to be nominated as a lolcow to put on a show for the CG plebs. In this late hour of reminiscing for Comicsgate Lost, Liam recounts how it was he who counseled Richard C Meyer via e-mail to go forth and create Jawbreakers, trying to inspire Ya Boi Zack to make a difference. Zack rejected Liam's advice (at first), which Liam starts to launch into the retelling of his Hero's Journey and how he was forced to walk a lonely road in the fight for comics before meeting his fellow brothers like Vinnie Tartamella and Warcampaign, Ro tragically cuts this story off at the pass to ask Liam that, now looking back, does he realize that Ro was his only friend? Liam says "It feels that way".
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Liam says his awakening to the true nature of Comicsgate was the (unnamed) Live With Liam #12 where he fought then regular Liamstream guest Sketch Therapy. The trauma of facing Sketch himself was so intense that he told Frog he wanted nothing to do with Sketch ever again, to which Frog responded with compassion and consideration by bringing them both onto his program to fight it out as content for his own audience. Eventually Frog relented and removed Sketch only for Sketch to repeatedly sneak on with alts to ambush Liam with, much to Frog's dismay at this abuse of (his) trust. The clips of this were helpfully compiled and hosted by Sketch Therapy himself here for those interested. Ro tells Liam that he cannot allow himself to be caught in a state of constant reaction to these people, "especially those Kiwi Farmers, I would rape their mothers if they said that shit about me". Liam continues on how after this betrayal (in mid-April), he declared himself "out" of Comicsgate (declared here officially by Liam on November 17th). The Orange Koala was going to continue on how WC stood by him time and again when TinfoilHatNick joins the proceedings. For those who don't know, Nick is a WCer who's CG clout, built piecemeal over tens of thousands of Indiegogo retweets, went up in a fire of Ellen memes during the early days of the CG Sped Civil War of April.
TinfoilNick gives a blunt assessment of the Meyer-Waid settlement, saying that the lawsuit was launched to send a message against people who try to cancel others and that Zack's dismissal of the suit is being interpreted by the SJWs as a capitulation and proof that Comicsgate is a joke. More interestingly, he argues that CG wasn't a complete failure given that recent "events" in mainstream comics like DC's "Death Metal" series were in fact a marked improvement over what was being offered 2-3 years ago. That works like Three Jokers , while imperfect, are perfectly acceptable fare. Liam in contrast predicts 2021 being a year of death and war as resurgent SJWs will smell blood and move to finish off non-compliant indie creators to cement their cultural hegemon.
Apropos nothing, WC tranny Man Of S3X remarks that even the Kiwifarmers live in Frog's world these days and that he for one fundamentally disagrees with the premise that bringing in more comic book professionals will result in a larger total customer pool for all, that what he sees is the original inceptors and true believers in Comicsgate being muscled away from the pay trough. To which I would say that 1) growth is a natural consequence of success in a capitalist system, 2) that the success of crowdfunding comics is not limited to "Comicsgate" and 3) that Comicsgate must either evolve in this competitive system or retreat into a sandbox where substandard, overpriced amateur product can continue to eke out an existence until it invariably succumbs to entropy. Ro and MOS argue that this is a sign of being trapped in Frog's paradigm, his lens of viewing reality, and call upon the audience to reject his vision.
After some criticism leveled at Frog for his interjecting himself in the Donal/Nasser dispute, Liam offers his own "hot take" on the situation. Liam's theory was that this was all born of Sketch Therapy, Frog's "number one attack dog", and his reign of terror over Comicsgate creators, until they all learned how to defeat Sketch Therapy once and for all in a technique Liam innovated and in fact named after him, which consists of blocking Sketch while continuing to talk shit about him. This one move instantly made Liam and anyone who "did a Liam" invulnerable to Sketch. This loss of his attack dog displeased Frog, who I like to imagine thumping his desk in anger while cursing Liam's tactical genius, this loss of his right hand in Sketch Therapy leading to him deciding on bringing back the ultimate enforcer to impose his will on Comicsgate: Nasser Rabadi. One can just imagine Nasser and Frog meeting up at a dockyard at night, or perhaps behind a pizzeria, where @NasserRabadi13 would be handed a plain manila envelope containing an orange photo of Liam to make "lolclicks" out of, the horror writer giving his silent answer by crushing the photo into a ball in his black-gloved grip...
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Liam begins to articulate Frog's endgame, where Donal is practically enslaved to finance his own personal gayop enforcer in Nasser when Preston Poulter, apparently finished from his D&D game with Doug TenNapel, joins the stream at 2:35:10. When Preston starts to speak and give his perspective as a hobbyist litigant on the weak foundation of Zack's lawsuit in the first place, Liam proceeds to stare into the camera and seethe in silence, Poulter's vocal proclaiming of Liam's domestic abuse and refusal to hand over SWC's dox evidently not forgotten.
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Ro eventually broaches the subject of Preston's coverage of Liam; Preston boasts proudly of being one of those to "discover Liam" early on and now it everyone's making content out of the benighted Australian. Out of mercy, he has has decided to lay off the orange koala and indeed gave an olive branch made out of mutual hatred of Frog. From there Nick complains of the inevitably of more "old pros' come in with their recycled creator-owned IPs while Ro and Preston exchange formal pleasantries.
It's later on when Panboy of all people addresses the contradiction of criticizing CG for having failed their principles of standing against cancel culture while having Preston and Liam on, people who have struck at channels and campaigns in the past - in the interest of staying true to themselves, Pan demands they answer for themselves. Preston says he's a believer in cancel culture at this point and, in Pan's words, has concluded his personal Comicsgate journey by "embracing evil". Liam's answer was skipped to open the floor to whoever wants a word with these luminaries, "DonutSwan", dressed like his hero Ro, is given a rare opportunity to say something to the Preston Poulter and Liam Gray. Next is "WordNerd", who hails the chat and brethren followed by "BlaccDaddy" his dark complexion struggling furiously against the green screen backdrop. They express their deep dismay at Zack dropping his lawsuit and all that signifies. Wordnerd follows this by stating his intent on destroying all the mainstream professionals with his objectively superior comic work.
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cheatch, leader of WC 2.0, is brought on to the Comicsgate Funeral, however the Warcampaign elders keep him on mute the for his entire appearance rather than give cheatch the opportunity to hijack the stream, sexually proposition Ro's mother again, offering to deliver consequential parental beatings to Ro or reiterate that he's the head of "WC USA" and relegating Ro to "leader of WC India". Instead Doug TenNapel is brought in for hopefully a higher level of conversation. Sadly, we are left to wonder what cheatch's thoughts were regarding the death of Comicsgate (though his backdrop and attire provide an intriguing clue...)
Doug talks about his new upswing making Trump videos and guesting on Steven Crowder and Ro, Liam sulking in the corner as Ro offers the EWJ scriibe a copy of Vestige 2 and expresses his desire to mend bridges and be together with him again, Doug says "trust is to be earned", but Ro expresses his desire for everyone to come together once more. Doug says that this "Legion of Doom" should not be made in opposition to CG or EVS, because that's a fundamentally weak approach and that if they're to form a group that it should be geared towards gathering as broad an audience as possible. Ro dubs Doug TenNapel an honorary member of the Warcampaign tonight. Doug offers Ro dinner at his place. After a brief attempt by Liam to have the last word, Ro closes the stream.