Tabletop Community Watch

[Orion Balls]

The point about comic shops transforming into these dens of autistic insanity really hit home

Comic shops have been autistic since the eighties, at least.

 

[Grinrow]

Comic shops have been autistic since the eighties, at least.

Honestly would anyone want it any other way?

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

So am I the only one who had normal people to play these with? Or did I never look at those people as wierd?

I’m trying to think of a nice way to break it to you... *eh hem* either you are extremely fortunate to not have any spergs in your local area which is very unlikely or you’re just used to the insanity that it’s not noticeable anymore or you’re the crazy one.

 

[Bubbly Sink]

Yeah I was not expecting such a well written OP when I clicked this, lol. Good job!

 

[verygayFrogs]

I’m trying to think of a nice way to break it to you... *eh hem* either you are extremely fortunate to not have any spergs in your local area which is very unlikely or you’re just used to the insanity that it’s not noticeable anymore or you’re the crazy one.

I'm guessing I got lucky since the spergs were in the anime room and this was way before I joined the farms. I hadn't even heard of them at the last time I played dnd

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

I'm guessing I got lucky since the spergs were in the anime room and this was way before I joined the farms. I hadn't even heard of them at the last time I played dnd

If you hang out enough at any comic or game store you’ll notice them haha. There’s always one guy whose really awful and infamous, like someone who would be a Chris Chan or ADF if they posted more on social media. Like Chris they hate to lose. Unlike Chris sometimes they’re half way decent at building a deck, list, or character. Neckbeardia goes over a lot of stories about these crazies:

 

[verygayFrogs]

If you hang out enough at any comic or game store you’ll notice them haha. There’s always one guy whose really awful and infamous, like someone who would be a Chris Chan or ADF if they posted more on social media. Like Chris they hate to lose. Unlike Chris sometimes they’re half way decent at building a deck, list, or character. Neckbeardia goes over a lot of stories about these crazies:

Hate to break it, it was at a school

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Hate to break it, it was at a school

Ah never mind that makes a lot more sense. There probably would be less crazies at a school or university club. Can’t say for sure though I’ve never joined any of those clubs.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Copy and paste of a link from a post of mine in the Warhammer 40K thread

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/794559.page

tl;dr group of players with a financial interest in maintaining high rankings in the independent tournament circuit (yes even 40K has esports wannabes) held a tournament recently to increase their rankings.
What is that financial reason you ask? They offer player coaching and list critiques for a nominal fee but in order to do that they have to appear to be competent players.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

If we are going to have a thread on tabletop gaming, we shouldn't forget the other major side of tabletop gaming; historicals, I'm not involved in that circle but I can guarantee you there is some autism there, probably along the lines of not painting a regiment in a specific color.

But on the 40k front, there is a magazine called 28. It is a magazine all about conversions and painting in the blanchitsu style, which looks like this:

Very grimy and gritty, based off of the artwork of John Blanche:

What makes them partially lolcowish is one article from Volume 3 which talked about if Space Marines can be gay.

Here's some choice sections:

Spoiler

Modern historian Victor D Hanson, in his book The Western Way of War, claims the Spartan tradition of military heroism has also been explained in light of strong emotional bonds resulting from homosexual relationships. For those who wish to read more about this fascinating aspect of ancient culture, his book is well worth your time.

Now, it is worth stating that the degree to which homosexuality was enforced amongst soldiers remains somewhat contested by historians. For example the writer Xenophon explains that Spartan law decreed that ‘lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children’ (Xenophon, Constitution of the Lacedaemonians, 2.13).

However, it is widely considered to be the case that homosexuality was rampant throughout ancient militaries, and that armies like those of Sparta could attribute their successes to these practises. A modern military, rooted in traditionally homophobic Christian ideology might find such a mindset appalling, or perhaps even unthinkable. But to a Theban or a Spartan, it was common sense: an army of lovers would fight hardest for each other. To see why this would be the case, one need only watch a single revenge film. John Wick kills seventyeight men in his first film out of revenge for a loved one.

Imagine two soldiers, each with the skill at arms possessed by John Wick. Imagine them powerfully in love with each other. Imagine one is killed.

Then imagine the carnage wrought by the other.

That’s why homosexuality became a standardised military practise: an army founded on duty has strong bonds; an army founded on both duty and love has stronger bonds than that.

Returning to Warhammer 40,000, we see that many of the armies are rooted in the militaries of antiquity, both in terms of visual design clues and cultural outlook. The Ultramarines are modelled on the Roman Legions, down to the vexilla, cingulum militare and galea. Taking it a step further, the Minotaurs chapter are Spartans IN SPACE, down to the use of Greek lettering in their iconography. The Adeptus Custodes feature both Roman lightning iconography and eagles. The World Eaters of the Heresy-era are led by Angron, who bears more than a few similarities to Spartacus. I could go on.

Is it really so unthinkable that a Chapter modelled on an army from antiquity might embrace all aspects of that culture? Is the idea that a Chapter might use institutionalised homosexuality as a means of strengthening morale completely irrational? The Imperium is not 20th century America. It is not 21st century Britain. It is Not Like Us. It does not share our values – values that are, lest we forget, barely even shared across our own cultures.

Having argued that yes, it makes sense for the Adeptus Astartes to suppress its soldier’s sexual desires, I would argue that it makes equal sense for some Chapters to diverge from this. After all, the Wolves do what they like, as do the Blood Angels and the Unforgiven. In a place as vast as the Imperium, it is entirely possible that one or more Chapters might enforce sexuality as a means of improving morale just as others might repress it to improve aggression.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

If we are going to have a thread on tabletop gaming, we shouldn't forget the other major side of tabletop gaming; historicals, I'm not involved in that circle but I can guarantee you there is some autism there, probably along the lines of not painting a regiment in a specific color.

But on the 40k front, there is a magazine called 28. It is a magazine all about conversions and painting in the blanchitsu style, which looks like this:View attachment 1816472

Very grimy and gritty, based off of the artwork of John Blanche:
View attachment 1816474


What makes them partially lolcowish is one article from Volume 3 which talked about if Space Marines can be gay.

Here's some choice sections:

Spoiler

Modern historian Victor D Hanson, in his book The Western Way of War, claims the Spartan tradition of military heroism has also been explained in light of strong emotional bonds resulting from homosexual relationships. For those who wish to read more about this fascinating aspect of ancient culture, his book is well worth your time.

Now, it is worth stating that the degree to which homosexuality was enforced amongst soldiers remains somewhat contested by historians. For example the writer Xenophon explains that Spartan law decreed that ‘lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children’ (Xenophon, Constitution of the Lacedaemonians, 2.13).

However, it is widely considered to be the case that homosexuality was rampant throughout ancient militaries, and that armies like those of Sparta could attribute their successes to these practises. A modern military, rooted in traditionally homophobic Christian ideology might find such a mindset appalling, or perhaps even unthinkable. But to a Theban or a Spartan, it was common sense: an army of lovers would fight hardest for each other. To see why this would be the case, one need only watch a single revenge film. John Wick kills seventyeight men in his first film out of revenge for a loved one.

Imagine two soldiers, each with the skill at arms possessed by John Wick. Imagine them powerfully in love with each other. Imagine one is killed.

Then imagine the carnage wrought by the other.

That’s why homosexuality became a standardised military practise: an army founded on duty has strong bonds; an army founded on both duty and love has stronger bonds than that.

Returning to Warhammer 40,000, we see that many of the armies are rooted in the militaries of antiquity, both in terms of visual design clues and cultural outlook. The Ultramarines are modelled on the Roman Legions, down to the vexilla, cingulum militare and galea. Taking it a step further, the Minotaurs chapter are Spartans IN SPACE, down to the use of Greek lettering in their iconography. The Adeptus Custodes feature both Roman lightning iconography and eagles. The World Eaters of the Heresy-era are led by Angron, who bears more than a few similarities to Spartacus. I could go on.

Is it really so unthinkable that a Chapter modelled on an army from antiquity might embrace all aspects of that culture? Is the idea that a Chapter might use institutionalised homosexuality as a means of strengthening morale completely irrational? The Imperium is not 20th century America. It is not 21st century Britain. It is Not Like Us. It does not share our values – values that are, lest we forget, barely even shared across our own cultures.

Having argued that yes, it makes sense for the Adeptus Astartes to suppress its soldier’s sexual desires, I would argue that it makes equal sense for some Chapters to diverge from this. After all, the Wolves do what they like, as do the Blood Angels and the Unforgiven. In a place as vast as the Imperium, it is entirely possible that one or more Chapters might enforce sexuality as a means of improving morale just as others might repress it to improve aggression.

This entire article is peak magical realm. £10 the author spends his days at the gym offering to rub ointment on the other men’s bodies after their workout.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

If we are going to have a thread on tabletop gaming, we shouldn't forget the other major side of tabletop gaming; historicals, I'm not involved in that circle but I can guarantee you there is some autism there, probably along the lines of not painting a regiment in a specific color.

But on the 40k front, there is a magazine called 28. It is a magazine all about conversions and painting in the blanchitsu style, which looks like this:View attachment 1816472

Very grimy and gritty, based off of the artwork of John Blanche:
View attachment 1816474


What makes them partially lolcowish is one article from Volume 3 which talked about if Space Marines can be gay.

Here's some choice sections:

Spoiler

Modern historian Victor D Hanson, in his book The Western Way of War, claims the Spartan tradition of military heroism has also been explained in light of strong emotional bonds resulting from homosexual relationships. For those who wish to read more about this fascinating aspect of ancient culture, his book is well worth your time.

Now, it is worth stating that the degree to which homosexuality was enforced amongst soldiers remains somewhat contested by historians. For example the writer Xenophon explains that Spartan law decreed that ‘lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children’ (Xenophon, Constitution of the Lacedaemonians, 2.13).

However, it is widely considered to be the case that homosexuality was rampant throughout ancient militaries, and that armies like those of Sparta could attribute their successes to these practises. A modern military, rooted in traditionally homophobic Christian ideology might find such a mindset appalling, or perhaps even unthinkable. But to a Theban or a Spartan, it was common sense: an army of lovers would fight hardest for each other. To see why this would be the case, one need only watch a single revenge film. John Wick kills seventyeight men in his first film out of revenge for a loved one.

Imagine two soldiers, each with the skill at arms possessed by John Wick. Imagine them powerfully in love with each other. Imagine one is killed.

Then imagine the carnage wrought by the other.

That’s why homosexuality became a standardised military practise: an army founded on duty has strong bonds; an army founded on both duty and love has stronger bonds than that.

Returning to Warhammer 40,000, we see that many of the armies are rooted in the militaries of antiquity, both in terms of visual design clues and cultural outlook. The Ultramarines are modelled on the Roman Legions, down to the vexilla, cingulum militare and galea. Taking it a step further, the Minotaurs chapter are Spartans IN SPACE, down to the use of Greek lettering in their iconography. The Adeptus Custodes feature both Roman lightning iconography and eagles. The World Eaters of the Heresy-era are led by Angron, who bears more than a few similarities to Spartacus. I could go on.

Is it really so unthinkable that a Chapter modelled on an army from antiquity might embrace all aspects of that culture? Is the idea that a Chapter might use institutionalised homosexuality as a means of strengthening morale completely irrational? The Imperium is not 20th century America. It is not 21st century Britain. It is Not Like Us. It does not share our values – values that are, lest we forget, barely even shared across our own cultures.

Having argued that yes, it makes sense for the Adeptus Astartes to suppress its soldier’s sexual desires, I would argue that it makes equal sense for some Chapters to diverge from this. After all, the Wolves do what they like, as do the Blood Angels and the Unforgiven. In a place as vast as the Imperium, it is entirely possible that one or more Chapters might enforce sexuality as a means of improving morale just as others might repress it to improve aggression.

Historicals should definitely be included. I’m not too familiar with historicals but from the little I know about them they’re probably loonier. I also left out FFG, SW X-wing, legion, and armada... I’ll edit them in later with like a sentence and a few links.

Copy and paste of a link from a post of mine in the Warhammer 40K thread

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/794559.page

tl;dr group of players with a financial interest in maintaining high rankings in the independent tournament circuit (yes even 40K has esports wannabes) held a tournament recently to increase their rankings.
What is that financial reason you ask? They offer player coaching and list critiques for a nominal fee but in order to do that they have to appear to be competent players.

Yeah, it’s pretty pathetic. Wasn’t blood of kittens involved? In some ways I’d argue that at least with esports it’s a bit more of a level playing field. With 40k it’s easier to fake skill imo by simply copying a net list and keeping up with the latest cheese. That won’t necessarily translate over into the larger tournaments or even work against the top players, but if someone is very WAAC they can win a lot of games on casual game nights and smaller one store tournies that way.

 

[NerdShamer]

Nothing about the neckbeard-tier troll-fics?

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Historicals should definitely be included. I’m not too familiar with historicals but from the little I know about them they’re probably loonier. I also left out FFG, SW X-wing, legion, and armada... I’ll edit them in later with like a sentence and a few links.


Yeah, it’s pretty pathetic. Wasn’t blood of kittens involved? In some ways I’d argue that at least with esports it’s a bit more of a level playing field. With 40k it’s easier to fake skill imo by simply copying a net list and keeping up with the latest cheese. That won’t necessarily translate over into the larger tournaments or even work against the top players, but if someone is very WAAC they can win a lot of games on casual game nights and smaller one store tournies that way.

Yeah BoK wrote the article quoted at the beginning of the dakkadakka thread. As for the inclusion of Fantasy Flight Games and x wing I wouldn’t bother they’ve lost the license for all Star Wars games they made. Their patent company handed them over to another subsidiary

An Important Star Wars Announcement

News About the Future of Our Star Wars Miniatures Games

www.fantasyflightgames.com

The only reason to mention Fantasy Flight is as the example of what not to do.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Yeah BoK wrote the article quoted at the beginning of the dakkadakka thread. As for the inclusion of Fantasy Flight Games and x wing I wouldn’t bother they’ve lost the license for all Star Wars games they made. Their patent company handed them over to another subsidiary

An Important Star Wars Announcement

News About the Future of Our Star Wars Miniatures Games

www.fantasyflightgames.com

The only reason to mention Fantasy Flight is as the example of what not to do.

Makes sense. I think it was handed over to a sister company like you said that already handled the Marvel license because FFG was constantly fucking up. Yeah it looks like their rpg books were handed off to another sister studio too. Yeah probably not worth even mentioning.

https://www.geeknative.com/102894/fantasy-flight-loses-star-wars-to-sister-studio-atomic-mass-games/

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

@IAmNotAlpharius Some other Warhammer YouTubers to keep an eye on:
LeakyCheese
https://www.youtube.com/user/leakycheese (archive)
https://twitter.com/Leaky_cheese (archive)
LeakyCheese is more active with The Horus Heresy game produced by Games Workshop's Forge World subdivision. The reason why he should be kept an eye on is that he took it upon himself to try to get rid of Arch Warhammer following the leaks from Arch's Discord and the "Warhammer is for Everyone" debacle. When he was called out for his shenanigans, he pulled a page out of Matt Jarbo's handbook and flagged any YouTuber that criticized his actions.

MajorKill vs. The Outer Circle - Australian Slapfight
MajorKill is an Australian Warhammer 40K YouTuber known for his rather... humorous take on the lore of Warhammer 40K.
He can be rather "in-your-face" when interacting with others and doesn't like Arch.
He also is funding a hentai calendar on his Patreon.

https://www.youtube.com/c/majorkill18 (archive)
https://www.patreon.com/majorkill (archive)

https://discord.com/tvUe5X9

The Outer Circle is also Australian but is a Horus Heresy player.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqxdEBIQx8wv6pJ1YQHCAXQ (archive)
https://www.patreon.com/TheOuterCircle (archive)
https://www.facebook.com/TheOuterCircle/ (archive)
https://shop.spreadshirt.com.au/TheOuterCircle/ (archive)

About four months ago MajorKill provoked a slapfight with The Outer Circle by snubbing him:

 

[Francis York Morgan]

Looking forward to this thread.

I'm honestly surprised that White Wolf and Onyx Path didn't make the cut. If you need more info on them, I'll be glad to help.

World of Darkness is a whole beast in and of itself. The drama surrounding White Wolf and its successors is a really interesting story.

In the 90's, White Wolf was the second-biggest RPG company ever and was primed to become the top dog as TSR was in its infamous death spiral period under Lorraine Williams. The early World of Darkness games are actually pretty good even today and they were genuinely groundbreaking back in the 90's but White Wolf's a textbook example of a fall from grace.

Vampire: The Masquerade was the only game to have ever come close to outselling D&D until Pathfinder 1E actually did it. Of course, Pathfinder 1E started out as a glorified clone of D&D 3.5 and this was during the 4E days, often considered D&D's lowest point.

Nowadays White Wolf is a dead husk and the different successor groups are all a weird mix of pretentious unironic SJW's who hate damn near everything (Onyx Path) or are practically dead in and of themselves (By Night Studios)

Definitely agree that this needs a White Wolf write-up at the very least since a lot of hack writer lolcows like Chuck Wendig got their starts working with them. White Wolf might have been patient zero for some of the woke shit finding its way into tabletop gaming since my earliest recollections of people bitching about "problematic" content all were WoD players.

 

[Mister Qwerty]

Looking forward to this thread.

I'm honestly surprised that White Wolf and Onyx Path didn't make the cut. If you need more info on them, I'll be glad to help.

World of Darkness is a whole beast in and of itself. The drama surrounding White Wolf and its successors is a really interesting story.

In the 90's, White Wolf was the second-biggest RPG company ever and was primed to become the top dog as TSR was in its infamous death spiral period under Lorraine Williams. The early World of Darkness games are actually pretty good even today and they were genuinely groundbreaking back in the 90's but White Wolf's a textbook example of a fall from grace.

Vampire: The Masquerade was the only game to have ever come close to outselling D&D until Pathfinder 1E actually did it. Of course, Pathfinder 1E started out as a glorified clone of D&D 3.5 and this was during the 4E days, often considered D&D's lowest point.

Nowadays White Wolf is a dead husk and the different successor groups are all a weird mix of pretentious unironic SJW's who hate damn near everything (Onyx Path) or are practically dead in and of themselves (By Night Studios)

I’d like to know what happen between White Wolf and Harlan Ellison.

White Wolf was supposed to publish 20 volumes of the collected works of Harlan Ellison called Edgeworks but they only printed 4 books. I’m guessing Harlan didn’t like the typos or misprinting the date of his mother’s death.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Looking forward to this thread.

I'm honestly surprised that White Wolf and Onyx Path didn't make the cut. If you need more info on them, I'll be glad to help.

World of Darkness is a whole beast in and of itself. The drama surrounding White Wolf and its successors is a really interesting story.

In the 90's, White Wolf was the second-biggest RPG company ever and was primed to become the top dog as TSR was in its infamous death spiral period under Lorraine Williams. The early World of Darkness games are actually pretty good even today and they were genuinely groundbreaking back in the 90's but White Wolf's a textbook example of a fall from grace.

Vampire: The Masquerade was the only game to have ever come close to outselling D&D until Pathfinder 1E actually did it. Of course, Pathfinder 1E started out as a glorified clone of D&D 3.5 and this was during the 4E days, often considered D&D's lowest point.

Nowadays White Wolf is a dead husk and the different successor groups are all a weird mix of pretentious unironic SJW's who hate damn near everything (Onyx Path) or are practically dead in and of themselves (By Night Studios)

I'd love help with them! I know a bit but I didn't play Masquerade. I'll add them to the timeline for now and maybe a few lines. *Edit* Wait, did they do some Ravenloft books? I have like 12 of those.

Definitely agree that this needs a White Wolf write-up at the very least since a lot of hack writer lolcows like Chuck Wendig got their starts working with them. White Wolf might have been patient zero for some of the woke shit finding its way into tabletop gaming since my earliest recollections of people bitching about "problematic" content all were WoD players.

I didn't realize Chuck Wendig started with them but that explains quite a bit. I unfortunately tried to read one of his star wars books once.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

@IAmNotAlpharius Some other Warhammer YouTubers to keep an eye on:
LeakyCheese
https://www.youtube.com/user/leakycheese (archive)
https://twitter.com/Leaky_cheese (archive)
LeakyCheese is more active with The Horus Heresy game produced by Games Workshop's Forge World subdivision. The reason why he should be kept an eye on is that he took it upon himself to try to get rid of Arch Warhammer following the leaks from Arch's Discord and the "Warhammer is for Everyone" debacle. When he was called out for his shenanigans, he pulled a page out of Matt Jarbo's handbook and flagged any YouTuber that criticized his actions.

MajorKill vs. The Outer Circle - Australian Slapfight
MajorKill is an Australian Warhammer 40K YouTuber known for his rather... humorous take on the lore of Warhammer 40K.
He can be rather "in-your-face" when interacting with others and doesn't like Arch.
He also is funding a hentai calendar on his Patreon.

https://www.youtube.com/c/majorkill18 (archive)
https://www.patreon.com/majorkill (archive)

https://discord.com/tvUe5X9

The Outer Circle is also Australian but is a Horus Heresy player.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqxdEBIQx8wv6pJ1YQHCAXQ (archive)
https://www.patreon.com/TheOuterCircle (archive)
https://www.facebook.com/TheOuterCircle/ (archive)
https://shop.spreadshirt.com.au/TheOuterCircle/ (archive)

About four months ago MajorKill provoked a slapfight with The Outer Circle by snubbing him:

It was rather fun watching majorkill shitting on the outer circle.