Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Rupin]

Yeah. Those people and a lot of people who just worked in comics stayed out of the autistic shit flinging from both sides and just did their jobs like normal human beings because they like Batman and Superman. They lost jobs too. But painting them with the same brush as Mags Visagio and pretending their part of some DC hive mind so you can feel good about their misfortune seems normal.

Fuck all those old people in China who kicked it from the Coof while we're at it 'cause anyone who speaks Mandarin must be guilty of everything the PRC party officials did'.

Dancing on peoples graves because they worked in the mail room of the funny book company your cult leader taught you to hate is very sane and very well adjusted.


'Restaurants have access to delivery and pickup so there's no reason for them to suffer in a pandemic.'

There are stupid takes and then there are takes like the one above.


Dancing on the graves of the people who happened to work for the company you're assmad at is rather telling about your character Ethan.

Good people understand that. You don't.


Noted Frog.

While you were celebrating people both good and bad having their lives ruined over the holidays like some Dickensian "hero" did self reflection ever come into play?

Don't answer. That's a rhetorical question.


CG retreated a long time ago.

The only place CG competes is on YouTube. Any chance of it mattering anywhere outside YouTube faded away a couple years back. CG has more in common with David Dobrick and Jake Paul who are mastering audience monetization than anyone who's making a living off producing comics. CG being about comics is like the Paul bros being about boxing.

It's just as well though, there's more money in YouTube than there is in comics.


Ethan's mental issue isn't debilitating autism which would impede him but rather is narcissism which enables him to function better than a sperg. The problems EVS's NPD have caused him (trapping himself in negative feedback drama spirals, alienating most people who actually get to know him) are out weighed by the skills intelligent narcissists tend to develop. (Endearing oneself to people who don't know them, a keen sense of manipulation)

If Ethan had autism he'd have the upsides of cognitive skills (math, memory) to go along with the deficits. His NPD is a similar double edged sword.

bro, that conversation was over yesterday and the two dummies that took up for the SJWs being got all their points refuted. Don’t be the third one. Uppp... never mind, too late.

If people wanted to buy DC’s books a pandemic would not stop them at all. Doug made 500 k during a pandemic, Ethan made over a million, Zack made a couple hundred thousand between all his campaigns and Keanu’s book broke the crowdfunding record.

All during the pandemic. But DC has trouble selling comics and has to cut some fat and now you want to blame that on the on the pandemic?
Is DC a restaurant now? Or could it be that their shit politics and chucked out heroes turned a lot of people away from their books?

 

[Stoneheart]

Ethan's mental issue isn't debilitating autism which would impede him but rather is narcissism which enables him to function better than a sperg. The problems EVS's NPD have caused him (trapping himself in negative feedback drama spirals, alienating most people who actually get to know him) are out weighed by the skills intelligent narcissists tend to develop. (Endearing oneself to people who don't know them, a keen sense of manipulation)

most of it is only play. he is just a dirty boy born into the hustle. thats why he is so font of wop pussy...

If you sell your skills, you want to tell everyone that you are the greatest that ever was.
thats why i tell bitches at the bar that im alexander the great.

 

[Newman's Own]

It's not about a joke. Piece of filth that Testefy is gave a "Winner" react when I mentioned my niece almost committing suicide recently. What a piece of trash. You guys can react "MATI" all you want, but I'm not gonna take this lightly. What kind of piece of garbage reacts that way to a little girl wanting to kill herself?

Save your outrage for a forum where people won't laugh at it Nasser.

I don't know what else to do. I already said I don't want to be a YouTuber. I'm only on YouTube because I know it sells books. I've said it a million times--if I could sell books just making a few tweets about it instead of doing YouTube, I'd quit YouTube.

I just don't have fun with it. You like to talk to people and you've got charm, and it's easy for you to laugh at weirdos.

I just like to be alone and read and write. I'm not very outgoing and don't like to put on a show.

The reason you suck at YouTube isn't because of the creative choices you make it's because you hate being a YouTuber and it shows in the quality of your product. If you hate what your doing and what you're doing is a self directed endeavor you are going to fail. Every YouTuber with any success enjoys being a YouTuber. It's a requirement. Otherwise they'd make shit no one cares about and complain they aren't getting the following they want.

Quit YouTube if you hate it and find another way to market yourself. If there is no other way to market yourself that you don't hate than quit writing and quit complaining about it. You aren't owed a following even if you work your ass off to build one and you certainly aren't owed a following if you don't.

Just showing up will get you nothing.

I honestly think if I tried now, I could get published by a traditional publisher, but there's no money in it. I won't go into a big rant, but there just isn't.

For God's sake!!! Do that then! If you've got what it takes as a writer than do that instead of YouTube. The exposure you get from traditional publishing would only increase the viability of your self published projects later. Your YT audience isn't interested in your books. People who go to book stores and look in the horror section are.

Stop trying to copy Ethan or EL James thinking what worked for them will work for you and quit bitching and moaning about how your work at being something you don't want to be (a YouTuber) isn't making all your dreams come true (a successful author).

Nasser's problems are mostly Nasser-related and his inability (so far) to find the niche that he can build a large platform on.

Having a "niche" won't help if he hates the process and it shows.

And it does show.

Walking Dead is basically an old horse beaten to death. I'm surprise the comics is still going on.

Walking Dead stopped being about horror in any real way well over a hundred issues before it ended. It turned into a decent soap opera that happened to have zombies playing a small roll a long time ago.

The Zombies haven't been "frightening" since Rick's wife got 86'd.

Ok, people keep saying this shit and I don't get it. Waid fucked with Ya Boi and had to spend over 2 years in court paying lawyer fees. Just because Meyer dropped the case doesn't mean it didn't cost Waid anything. What nutjob sjw is gonna look at this and think "Yeah, I'll risk court and paying out the ass in legal fees to fuck with some guy." The only people who would be emboldened are guys with money to burn or complete idiots who think they not gonna get dragged to court

Your assuming logic and reasoning to be factors for people who scoff at logic and reasoning.

Waid won when Zack quit. Now his ilk have that much more reason to think their enemies will quit when the going gets rough.

Fight's aren't won by the people who weigh the pros and cons half weigh through and then bail. Fights are won by the party that doesn't bail half way through the fight.

All during the pandemic. But DC has trouble selling comics and has to cut some fat and now you want to blame that on the on the pandemic?

No. I was responding to the retarded take that a pandemic would have nothing to do with DC's problems.

"CG might not have anything to do with DC’s sales, but neither does the pandemic." - TrunksFromDragonballGT

That's your take. It's retarded.

thats why i tell bitches at the bar that im alexander the great.

You'll get no argument from me there. But I will note that narcissists don't tend to be failures with bitches at the bar. Tapping into ones inner narcissist comes with advantages. Some of us fake it till we make it while others genuinely think Alexander the Great lacked their vision.

 

[jspit2.0]

Waid's lawyer was a fan of his and he had a GoFundMe pay the bills. He lost nothing. The only people who lost any money are the people who trusted and donated to Zack.

Yeah, the losers were the people who supported this lawsuit thinking he'd stick with it.

 

[Stoneheart]

But I will note that narcissists don't tend to be failures with bitches at the bar. Tapping into ones inner narcissist comes with advantages.

well i know that the bitches at the bars i frequent gave head while history class was going on so its not even realy a gamble.
i dont think Ethan is a narcissist he only knows the game...

 

[jspit2.0]

well i know that the bitches at the bars i frequent gave head while history class was going on so its not even realy a gamble.
i dont think Ethan is a narcissist he only knows the game...

That's...TMI. Good for you?

 

[Rupin]

Save your outrage for a forum where people won't laugh at it Nasser.


The reason you suck at YouTube isn't because of the creative choices you make it's because you hate being a YouTuber and it shows in the quality of your product. If you hate what your doing and what you're doing is a self directed endeavor you are going to fail. Every YouTuber with any success enjoys being a YouTuber. It's a requirement. Otherwise they'd make shit no one cares about and complain they aren't getting the following they want.

Quit YouTube if you hate it and find another way to market yourself. If there is no other way to market yourself that you don't hate than quit writing and quit complaining about it. You aren't owed a following even if you work your ass off to build one and you certainly aren't owed a following if you don't.

Just showing up will get you nothing.


For God's sake!!! Do that then! If you've got what it takes as a writer than do that instead of YouTube. The exposure you get from traditional publishing would only increase the viability of your self published projects later. Your YT audience isn't interested in your books. People who go to book stores and look in the horror section are.

Stop trying to copy Ethan or EL James thinking what worked for them will work for you and quit bitching and moaning about how your work at being something you don't want to be (a YouTuber) isn't making all your dreams come true (a successful author).


Having a "niche" won't help if he hates the process and it shows.

And it does show.


Walking Dead stopped being about horror in any real way well over a hundred issues before it ended. It turned into a decent soap opera that happened to have zombies playing a small roll a long time ago.

The Zombies haven't been "frightening" since Rick's wife got 86'd.


Your assuming logic and reasoning to be factors for people who scoff at logic and reasoning.

Waid won when Zack quit. Now his ilk have that much more reason to think their enemies will quit when the going gets rough.

Fight's aren't won by the people who weigh the pros and cons half weigh through and then bail. Fights are won by the party that doesn't bail half way through the fight.


No. I was responding to the retarded take that a pandemic would have nothing to do with DC's problems.

"CG might not have anything to do with DC’s sales, but neither does the pandemic." - TrunksFromDragonballGT

That's your take. It's retarded.


You'll get no argument from me there. But I will note that narcissists don't tend to be failures with bitches at the bar. Tapping into ones inner narcissist comes with advantages. Some of us fake it till we make it while others genuinely think Alexander the Great lacked their vision.

because it doesn’t. DC was having problems selling their capecuck books before the pandemic. To say this would be to deny facts.

Did the pandemic affect e-commerce other than your delivery will be a little late? No, it’s booming now. Didn’t DC cut Daimond out of their distribution plans so they could sell direct to market? Why aren’t customers buying their books Now that people have a lot more time on their hands? These questions have already been answered before on this thread and they have nothing to do with the pandemic.

 

[Newman's Own]

well i know that the bitches at the bars i frequent gave head while history class was going on so its not even realy a gamble.
i dont think Ethan is a narcissist he only knows the game...

Agree to disagree.

Didn’t DC cut Daimond out of their distribution plans so they could sell direct to market?

Yes.

Explain how this has nothing to do with Covid.

https://comicbook.com/dc/news/dc-ends-diamond-distribution-deal/

Add the permanent shutdown of a large portion of the direct market stores and the loss of revenue from sales of physical copies during temporary shutdowns and you get what @FROG called an "accellerant". Accelerants by their nature have an effect on things. In this case a negative effect on DC's situation.

Retarded take.

 

[jspit2.0]

because it doesn’t. DC was having problems selling their capecuck books before the pandemic. To say this would be to deny facts.

Did the pandemic affect e-commerce other than your delivery will be a little late? No, it’s booming now. Didn’t DC cut Daimond out of their distribution plans so they could sell direct to market? Why aren’t customers buying their books Now that people have a lot more time on their hands? These questions have already been answered before on this thread and they have nothing to do with the pandemic.

At most the Pandemic would have accelerated existing market forces ala theaters. It's ludicrous to argue DC's Editorial mismanagement of the last ten plus years has not played a role in its current situation.

How much of that is renegade creators and how much is story choices is something else.

Much appreciation for Smug's updates on the Richardgate within Comicsgate. For my own speculation. I wonder how this dovetails with his streaming his content production down? Does this begin to signal a larger retreat?

But does any of that matter, at this point. With the whiny faggots of Warcampaign, still smarting from the hard pegging this forum gave them, having honored it with the funeral it deserves, is Comicsgate even a functional community?

On Ethan van Sciver's channel, he's been privating or deleting livestreams as fast as he can. In a recent one he had to deal with further fallout as Richard proclaimed Mags' latest outing one of "the best comics of 2020."

In a year with Grant Morrison's GL, Geoff Johns and Jay Fabok Three Jokers, and a number of quality indie books, I don't know how you make that claim....

Cecil remains suspended on twitter

He posted a bizarre live stream over the last week, with everyone's favorite Yoko Ana and a paypiggie. People watch this stuff?

Jon Malin livestreamed, apparently you can't even count on COVID anymore these days.

With Dan, Narwhal, and Shane it was an all CG stream. The Jack show is an interesting CG beast. Despite being the source of multiple explosions that nearly destroyed CG, it's usually about as interesting as watching paint dry. After going through thirty minutes of this shit, I just threw my hands up.

In the adjacent camp, the EFAP crew did a reading of Gotham High. Yes, that Gotham High.

 

[Absurdity]

This backpedaling reminds me of the first time I remember being disappointed in Zack was when he stopped using the "man in a wig" epithet for Visaggio once he supposedly got too much heat for it (probably on Ethan's advice). It was one of the first indications that he was urgently trying to turn his channel into a "business" and in his mind, that brand of humor would have to go. The SJW stuff is only the latest iteration of the increasingly hostile use of modern psychology in marketing, and it's just not enough for a few guys to come out with crowd-funded comics to treat that symptom.

The first problem for comics that precipitated all the extra layers of BS was first and foremost being taken out of the major supermarket and convenience stores and therefore out of the sight of a passing kid shopping with their parents. The speculator bubble wasn't only a matter of increasing quantity and lower quality, it was also visibility. It was also supposed to be the quickest and the easiest way of visualizing sci-fi and fantasy adventures for the younger set and even that has been gobbled up by the sheer number and volume of video games, many of which also take away from actual physical interactions between kids and dominating their sense of playtime. Even the plastic toy industry isn't what it used to be with a glut of adult collectors taking up more and more real estate.

It used to be comics were used to get an entry-level foot in the door with kids entertainment. Now they're pushed out in the service of major entertainment film/gaming studios that don't want to waste time on any vision that does not exploit the demographics they've been catering to... which happens to look more and more like fat trannies in constant need of self affirmation and medication.

 

[Rupin]

Agree to disagree.


Yes.

Explain how this has nothing to do with Covid.

https://comicbook.com/dc/news/dc-ends-diamond-distribution-deal/

Add the permanent shutdown of a large portion of the direct market stores and the loss of revenue from sales of physical copies during temporary shutdowns and you get what @FROG called an "accellerant". Accelerants by their nature have an effect on things. In this case a negative effect on DC's situation.

Retarded take.

And this accelerant would not have hastened their decline in sales if the mainstream industry was strong in the first place. There was talk of Daimond being bad for business before the pandemic hit because that company forced retailers to buy multiple books they couldn’t sell. Now DC went direct to market and they still can’t sell books,

I think @jspit2.0 ‘s explanation of the situation sums it up perfectly. It was DC’s fault what happened to them. The pandemic was just a convenient excuse that was quickly exposed when indie creators were thriving during this time,

 

[HTTP Error 404]

@FROG is this the proper response to potential customers? *psssss* I already have backed ASYL

Get off his dick, dude. No means no! RESPECT THE CONSENT!

 

[Newman's Own]

And this accelerant would not have hastened their decline in sales if the mainstream industry was strong in the first place. There was talk of Daimond being bad for business before the pandemic hit because that company forced retailers to buy multiple books they couldn’t sell. Now DC went direct to market and they still can’t sell books,

I think @jspit2.0 ‘s explanation of the situation sums it up perfectly. It was DC’s fault what happened to them. The pandemic was just a convenient excuse that was quickly exposed when indie creators were thriving during this time,

At most the Pandemic would have accelerated existing market forces ala theaters. It's ludicrous to argue DC's Editorial mismanagement of the last ten plus years has not played a role in its current situation.

Jspit's take makes sense. Yours doesn't. I don't think anyone on this forum was contending that DC has been doing a good job serving the market or that they weren't in trouble before the pandemic.

Nobody with an IQ over room temp was saying that the pandemic had no effect either.


"CG might not have anything to do with DC’s sales, but neither does the pandemic." - TrunksFromDragonballGT

 

[Dong-Liquor]

True but now they are emboldened and energized seeing how the cancel culture lawsuits were flops, the only successful one was Nicholas Sandmann but that was just a post dismissal settlement.

Technically the Nicholas Sandmann lawsuit was dismissed, then submitted for reconsideration of dismissal, which the judge did reconsider some points, and from there the settlements have come in for multiple parties. The news organizations REALLY don't want to go through discovery.

Edit:

most of it is only play. he is just a dirty boy born into the hustle. thats why he is so font of wop pussy...

If you sell your skills, you want to tell everyone that you are the greatest that ever was.
thats why i tell bitches at the bar that im alexander the great.

Apropos of none of that, I just had to mention that I love your Avatar. FALCO RIDES AGAIN

 

[Rupin]

Jspit's take makes sense. Yours doesn't. I don't think anyone on this forum was contending that DC has been doing a good job serving the market or that they weren't in trouble before the pandemic.

Nobody with an IQ over room temp was saying that the pandemic had no effect either.


"CG might not have anything to do with DC’s sales, but neither does the pandemic." - TrunksFromDragonballGT

the original arguement was the firings and that the pandemic was the reason for it. DC had months to clean up their act while the pandemic was going on and produce a good storyline That would make money. Instead, we got Tom King’s run on Batman, some crappy YA novels with bad art, a canceled Aquaman book, a convoluted Batman who laughs storyline and I am not Starfire.

But yeah, I’m supposed to believe that the pandemic was responsible for three rounds of firings at DC instead of shit writing That doesn’t sell books.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

FALCO RIDES AGAIN

BANG BANG.

 

[Brother Maynard]

Doug had you on his streams numerous times. There was a period there where you on them all the time. Stop pretending he did nothing to help you, Nasser. It's unbecoming.

How many more pages of Nasser whinging about his content and people giving him advice that he will promptly ignore are there going to be?

Do you ever have fun, Nasser? If you do, figure out a way to adapt that to pre-recorded scripted videos for your channel. Don’t worry about whether or not it’s “horror” or any genre at all. Just have fun, because normally you sound like you’re enjoying yourself as much as if you’re enduring an enema. Stop streaming every day for hours if you have nothing to offer and talk about. Stop reading chats if you have no idea what the person is talking about. Quit trying to be “edgy” because it doesn’t work for you and comes off as petulant. Find a co-host who is quick-witted and can engage the audience because solo streams suck, even when it’s someone as charismatic as @FROG. Most importantly, quit trying to be like other people and just do you.

I think Nasser is a good interviewer. Maybe he should just do a series of guests with pre-determined questions from himself and his audience.

 

[A nameless trool]

yes.

I have an instagram @NasserRabadi13. Didn't do paid ads, but tried with all my previous comics before Asyl and all my regular books to do marketing on there, and nothing got me any sales. I messaged dozens of horror accounts, and used all sorts of hashtags, but nothing worked. That's all I post on Instagram is collection pics, and typically whenever I watch a movie or read a book I'll post a picture.

Yeah, paid ads on FB/IG are a godsent for small businesses like yours. I would invest into them, just budget $100 for them and give them a shot.


Meanwhile, Erik Larsen posted this on Instagram:

(https://www.instagram.com/p/CJcWJYYh-MA/)

Whatchu talkin 'bout, Trolli?

The Walking Dead is the most successful indie comic ongoing of all time. DC: Death Metal in all its horror-apeing edgelord retardation is the series keeping DC Comics on lifesupport at the moment. That and Batman, which is stock full of horror elements. The comic industry had to enforce a "comics code" just to keep horror comics from overtaking the medium entirely because it was "seducing the innocent". Hell, Frog and Simple Zack are both crowdfunding horror comics at the moment with Snowman and 499. Horror as a genre, at least in comics, seems to be doing just fine.

Nasser's problems are mostly Nasser-related and his inability (so far) to find the niche that he can build a large platform on. This is not a problem unique to Nasser to say the least. The good news is that there's nearly infinite room for growth on Nasser's part as a youtuber. He doesn't know how to edit videos (I had to tell him in the chat that open source video-editing software existed) or add any sort of production or presentation value to his content as well as just bad concepts for livestreams (Nasser reacting for two hours to tweet threads about Dan Slott wasting his time on twitter while his guests sit around bored), Nasser giving stream-of-consciousness reviews of old horror books, Nasser unboxing Bluray horror videos sent on Amazon, etc.

Like @Pilule Noire points out, Nasser does has strengths as well, like his Louis Theroux-like ability to get figures on his show and draw out the most interesting aspects of a guest just by being nonthreatening,and asking basic direct questions.

Nasser is to EVS what Luna is to YBZ: dumb, adorable, makes a mess and people like him.

Nasser's problem is that he is trying to copy YBZ/EVS without getting what they are doing right.

YBZ is a boomer who points a mobile to a pamphlet/screen and blathers on and on. His videos are bad and stupid and under no circumstances he would make it on youtube.
But YBZ also managed to convince at least three women to sleep with him enough times to give birth to three children, while being either killing Asians like a less-cruel Tom King or being a deadbeat. This speaks volumes for his charisma. He can speak about the dumbest things and you kinda like him. For instance, Stamps or Tacos. He has some dumb takes and you just laugh at them.
He came out as a voice telling people what they felt and did not see at that time, he was a dude who wanted to buy comics and couldn't get good comics to buy, back in a time where press and youtubers shilled everything they read hoping Marvel will hire them to write the eleventh ongoing series of racebent GenderGirl of 201x

And, at least once per video he can sound like a reasonable person or even go into some profound truth. And he believes in redemption narratives.
In a way, his core audience is comicbook readers and if he could produce a stream of affordable comics for his readers (for instance a digital Jawbreakers series or floppies on the mass market) he could live off his comics.

When he edits his videos down (like the one he did this Christmas or the Gotham High videos) he is great. If he decided to go on camera for his videos, script, edit and do 1-3 quality videos a week he would probably hit 200k subs within a year.

But my point is YBZ is not successful because of his video production, he is successful despite it.
Unless you have fucked every race on the planet, do not bother doing videos like his.


Now, EVS: He spent 25 years slaving over a drawing table for Marvel and DC. He co-created some iconic comics. He has a drawing style that is recognizable and had a ton of fans.
I still see people who are not aware of his political beliefs (and actually oposing them) and his youtube/pizza parlor shennaingans gushing over his pages.
He is a superstar with a folllowing and, believe me, if you are a nobody who hates Disney Star Wars and SJW Marvel having a superstar artist agree with you and tells you that you are important in the war to take pop culture back has a draw.
His Stan Lee persona and his Todd McFarlane business accumen help a lot, but his narcissistic/psychopathic outbursts hold him back.
At his best he is an entertaining radio show host and I believe this is his ambition.

Doug, in a similar fashion, is a political commentator who also co-created EWJ.
Malin is a good artist.
Cecil can be funny.

For everybody else: it won't work the same for you. You are not these people.
However, if you want to model after somebody on YT, try doing what JSG does.
He sits at 134K subs. His Darth Vader video has 1.4M views.
And he only publishes a video a week at best.
Definetely scripted.
Very short.
Very funny.
Goes in and out of comicbooks.
I would back his crowdfund if he did one because he can deliver an entertaining experience. Has cool drawing style too.

People can do entertaining short scripted videos - as long as they are entertaining I guess. Which most of CG is not.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

I think Nasser is a good interviewer. Maybe he should just do a series of guests with pre-determined questions from himself and his audience.

Thanks. The one with Mike was really good.

 

[GranDuke]

On Ethan van Sciver's channel, he's been privating or deleting livestreams as fast as he can. In a recent one he had to deal with further fallout as Richard proclaimed Mags' latest outing one of "the best comics of 2020."

In a year with Grant Morrison's GL, Geoff Johns and Jay Fabok Three Jokers, and a number of quality indie books, I don't know how you make that claim....

Well if he had any idea what is good or bad then he wouldn't be publishing shit himself.