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If that's the case then nasser and cg jobbers would have more successful books. The average content creator doesn't have the backing or resources Ethan, Mike and Doug has.


Horror doesn't sell. Horror is basically a sub category and you need comedy or action to carry it. When's the last time there was a pure horror book, tv show or movie that was successful without it being labeled "comedy/action-Horror"? Horror alone is pretty much dead.

I’d have to go a few years back to find one. I thought Sinister with Ethan Hawke was a good one. The Conjuring was pretty good too. But right now, the horror field is wide open for someone to break out if they can get the right formula. Netflix and Hulu have a shit ton of horror movies so, there is a big demand for the genre.
 
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I’d have to go a few years back to find one. I thought Sinister with Ethan Hawke was a good one. The Conjuring was pretty good too. But right now, the horror field is wide open for someone to break out if they can get the right formula. Netflix and Hulu have a shit ton of horror movies so, there is a big demand for the genre.
Also The Haunting of Hill House tv show did so great that they created a spinoff called The Haunting of Bly Manor. Although there's not gonna be a 3rd Haunting of, they've still got a big following.

I decided to write my own Haunting of, called The Haunting of Engstrom House, which I think is a top 3 book of mine...

...but alas, I don't have the funds at the moment.
 
Halloween 2018? Paperbacks from Hell?

If it's dead, that's good for me. I can find all the old horror fans. Horror used to be one of the biggest selling book genres especially in the 80s and 90s. Done right, they become some of the most popular books.
If they're dead you shouldn't market horror books to cg when it's mostly capecucks.
 
Also The Haunting of Hill House tv show did so great that they created a spinoff called The Haunting of Bly Manor. Although there's not gonna be a 3rd Haunting of, they've still got a big following.

I decided to write my own Haunting of, called The Haunting of Engstrom House, which I think is a top 3 book of mine...

...but alas, I don't have the funds at the moment.

I saw Bly Manor. It was a slow burn but, the payoff was great. I’m gonna give Hill House a chance tonight. I’ve been putting it off for too long.
 
If they're dead you shouldn't market horror books to cg when it's mostly capecucks.
Hey man I'm just writing what I like to write.

I tried to pitch a superhero comic to a lot of CGers and nobody wanted to draw it. Now I've got someone drawing a different hero comic called Miss Victory, about a girl who takes on the mantle of a hero named Victory after he returns to earth and passes on a warning with his dying breath. Don't know when it'll launch, this artist actually wants it to be all done first before launch, and he's doing it between paid work.
I saw Bly Manor. It was a slow burn but, the payoff was great. I’m gonna give Hill House a chance tonight. I’ve been putting it off for too long.
I still have to watch both. Saw the first episode of Hill House, but really need to continue.
 
Nasser I can sense you're feeling a bit irritated at the information superhighway today.

It's understandable, what with you being a returning CGer who recently spurned 2X4CG (Too Exxxxtreme For CG) icon Doug TenNapel, and today marking Doug's blistering ascent to 100K subs, as he celebrates on a livestream with fellow 2X4CG member Tim Lim to several hundred viewers. And Zippy is there! Fucking Zippy, ugh.

It must be absolutely galling for you, as a CGer who just a little while ago told Doug to go kick rocks, to have to now sit there watching The Dirtworm Channel soar like a rocket, as he livestreams his stubbed-out cigarette of a face to 600+ viewers, opining on conservatism, God, and how he doesn't wash his hands because germs are everywhere and this foolish human 'washing war' against them is unwinnable and futile.

I get it Nasser. It stings. It's like you sold all your WormCoin and suddenly now WormCoin is flying to the moon, right?

It must feel like God is mooning you, as in showing his butt at you.

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And that's not to mention charismatic 2x4CG firebrand Eric July aka YoungRippa59 rocking Tim Pool's show last night, a 3+ hour political spergfest that has already blown past a quarter of a million views in 18 hours.

It must be annoying for you, I get it. But don't feel bad, it's just that these are very political times. Doug has latched onto the next big 'gate', which is seemingly AmericaGate.

And this one seems like might go on for a while, I'm afraid. Or maybe not, I suppose it depends on how long America lasts.

Anyway, I think with the Worm breaching 100K at such a blistering pace, @FROG should be bracing himself for Dirty Doug going nnnnnnyyyyooowwww right over his channel subcount very soon.

Who knows where the Worm will end up! But surely his personality will have a dampening effect, like a handbrake. I don't think he'll hit a million. Surely not! He couldn't get a million subs... could he? Not with Zippy, surely not.

But listen Nasser, you shouldn't be sitting there wishing you were Zippy. You and the Worm are history, you need to focus on not being Frog's Zippy now. By which I mean, the sidekick that viewers don't really take to, like Zippy.

I'll give you my opinion on what you're good at, to help the Nasser Channel.

Your best streams are when you stream with good people. Examples: Dillard, Martina Markota, Frog, even Smiller is vastly more entertaining on your channel than on his own for some reason. And similarly, even Frog is sometimes better on your channel than his own. People have a way of opening up, or loosening up, around you, that can make for very good streams. People are completely not intimidated by you, they get put at ease by you and they get playful with you, so it brings them out of their shell. Even Malin, who has a Rhino-like shell, when he came on your show it melted away.

It's a strange thing, I think you may have missed your true life calling as a therapist, or maybe a bartender.

You may not realize it, but you DO have social skills. And even some charm, apart from those disgusting belches. You can build a good show. You just need to have the right people on, because you change depending on who you're interacting with. With bad company you let yourself get brought down, instead of changing your focus to people who are good company who will bring you up just by their interaction with you.

You like Seinfeld right? You're like Kramer when he got in a fight with the monkey at the zoo. And became a monkey himself in the process. Know what I mean? What you need to be is the Kramer who started his own talk show in his apartment, using stuff he found in the garbage, bringing his friends on as guests. That's all this streaming shit is, it's just people doing that.

If you want to get recommendations on Youtube, the simplest formula is: have something to say that is worth hearing, about something important that is happening. That's all it is. you can be a musician or a software engineer or a comic book writer, the basic formula is the same. Something worth hearing, about something significant that is happening. If viewers respond to what you have to say, then you'll get that video recommended for that subject. And then if you find a rich seam to mine, you can build a whole channel and income from it.

But if you have no expertise or uniquely engaging take, and you don't care about any of the things that are happening, then getting recommended is going to be a problem for you. So you should focus on the more podcast-like model, with a regular stream and guests that you interview and chat with.

Remember, you're creating a product here, so people will sense what kind of creative product you create from the kind of show you create. It's no good saying, I don't care about putting a crap product on Youtube because I just want to sell books. Your Youtube does reflect on your product, whether you want it to reflect or not. Your Youtube is literally your You-tube, like a tube of You-sauce. And you are offering that sauce to people. So if nobody likes your sauce that means you have a shit sauce, and you need to adjust your sauce to be more palatable. And the way to do that is by bringing in good accompaniments for your sauce, like dippers, and taking out bits of poo and garbage that may be spoiling the sauce.

And be warned, this isn't something to shrug or smirk off. Youtube is a customer-facing environment, that's what @TESTEFY-HD is trying to get through to you, in his simian way. Every Youtube channel is like a kitchen run by a chef. If I perceive the chef as a dirty, lazy slob who doesn't care about anything apart from getting the money out of my hands and sending me on my way, then I'm certainly not going to buy any food prepared by him, I'm not even going to set foot in the place. However when a chef has something of real delicious value to offer, then the chef can get away with being literally Hitler, like Seinfeld's Soup Nazi. But could every restaurant owner act like the Soup Nazi? Of course not. Only the Soup Nazi has earned the right to be the Soup Nazi, because of the raw fact of all those humans lining up to pay for his work.

Babu, again from Seinfeld, is not going to get very far acting like the Soup Nazi. He had terrible, barely edible food and so he had to make up for it by being the polar opposite of the Soup Nazi.

So there is my Soup Nazi/Babu spectrum theory, indicating an inverse correlation of personality niceness to product marketability. The more your work sells, the more of a jerk you can be. The less your work sells, the more of a nice guy you have to be. Let's end on that.

Nasser is so autistic he causes spontaneous outbreaks of it now. :roll:
 
Maybe drop the horror shit and integrate the capecuck shit. Horror is a dead genre and most of the books people buy are "parodies" and capecuck books.

Whatchu talkin 'bout, Trolli?

The Walking Dead is the most successful indie comic ongoing of all time. DC: Death Metal in all its horror-apeing edgelord retardation is the series keeping DC Comics on lifesupport at the moment. That and Batman, which is stock full of horror elements. The comic industry had to enforce a "comics code" just to keep horror comics from overtaking the medium entirely because it was "seducing the innocent". Hell, Frog and Simple Zack are both crowdfunding horror comics at the moment with Snowman and 499. Horror as a genre, at least in comics, seems to be doing just fine.

Nasser's problems are mostly Nasser-related and his inability (so far) to find the niche that he can build a large platform on. This is not a problem unique to Nasser to say the least. The good news is that there's nearly infinite room for growth on Nasser's part as a youtuber. He doesn't know how to edit videos (I had to tell him in the chat that open source video-editing software existed) or add any sort of production or presentation value to his content as well as just bad concepts for livestreams (Nasser reacting for two hours to tweet threads about Dan Slott wasting his time on twitter while his guests sit around bored), Nasser giving stream-of-consciousness reviews of old horror books, Nasser unboxing Bluray horror videos sent on Amazon, etc.

Like @Pilule Noire points out, Nasser does has strengths as well, like his Louis Theroux-like ability to get figures on his show and draw out the most interesting aspects of a guest just by being nonthreatening,and asking basic direct questions.
 
I doubt that you could write a story as great as Fallout New Vegas, or The Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion which are superior to super heroes of any degree. The Metro Trilogy of books, and the games are superior to anything that any of you could write.
They're giving away Metro Last Light Redux for free on GOG.com right now. I just got it, completely free! Like all the best things in life. Can't wait to play it, I only played Metro 2033 for the first time at the start of this year. Then when the Corona stuff happened and I had to wear a mask walking down the street IRL, I was like, haha this is a bit like Metro 2033.
 
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He doesn't know how to edit videos (I had to tell him in the chat that open source video-editing software existed) or add any sort of production or presentation value to his content
Yeah I just started doing this. I don't usually do any editing to my reviews, but anything I record in OBS (looking at articles or something) I'll edit.
Nasser giving stream-of-consciousness reviews of old horror books,
Those ones aren't that bad.
Nasser unboxing Bluray horror videos sent on Amazon, etc.
Those and the horror hauls I upload on the 1st of each month are the videos I actually enjoy. The Criterion Collection videos get the most views, whereas unboxings from any other company get like 40.
I hear Donal Delay needs some work!
He turned it down at least 4 times.
 
Shifting the conversation away from horror novels and Nasser's content I figured it might be interesting to check the reaction from various Comicsgate related personalities to the recent decision of Zack to end the Waid lawsuit.


The Comic Book Hut has been dabbing on Comicsgate and Zack in his first initial video reporting on the lolsuit's failure. The peoples champion wastes no time in a follow up video titled YA BOI ZACK'S FANS and SUPPORTERS ARE DISAPPOINTED IN the SETTLEMENT OF THE JAWBREAKERS LAWSUIT and summarizes the general feeling and atmosphere of Comicsgate. The Hut continues to insist that several publishers had offered to publish Jawbreakers once Antarctic Press pulled out, namely Simon and Schuster, the Hut also disputes that no American artists would work with Zack given he has worked with Mike Baron, Chuck Dixon, Butch Guise, Graham Nolan and Ethan VanSciver since the original Jawbreakers book. Former Comicsgate founder Capn Cummings makes a rare appearance in the comment section to join the Hut in dunking on Zack and CG.
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Smaller CG content creator Kemosabe Returns laments that cancel culture has been winning lately and Zack's withdrawal from the lawsuit is another victory for the SJWs. Kemosabe correctly identifies that Zack has been moving himself out of Comicsgate's orbit and states that he is more of an adjacent personality these days. While the SJWs may have won the battle of the Meyer v Waid lolsuit, Kemosabe believes that SJWs may think twice over slandering other creators in future and that Comicsgate is too big to kill from this small victory for the practitioners of cancel culture.


Jon Del Arroz/Jon of the Rice/@TheCosmicWarrior offers his opinion on the situation while reading over Mark S Zaid's tweets. Jon expresses that he always felt like the lawsuit was a bad idea due to the fact that Zack couldn't provide damages and that other publishers had approached Meyer for the right to publish Jawbreakers, including Vox Day's Arkhaven Comics. Jon also mentions the current lawsuit he is involved in against the World Science Fiction Convention. Jon takes the position that ending the lawsuit is actually a victory for Zack as it gives him more time to focus on comic books and avoided a possible loss in court.


Just Some Guy comes into the topic late and offers his opinions on the Meyer v Waid case in a recent video and goes over the history of the case. JSG goes over some of the financial information, quoting Bleeding Cool that Mark Waid's GFM was spent entirely on legal fee's so it would be safe to assume that Zack also spent a large portion of the funds. JSG tries to spin this as a victory for Zack as "defeating an enemy doesn't always mean beating them, but rather outlasting them." The video provides over 400 comments which are a combination of those agreeing with JSG, disagreeing stating Zack lost, praising JSG's Gollum impression and others who forgot about the lawsuit entirely. A random commenter brings up an interesting point asking what happened to the money, and if it is never spoken of again then CG can forget about raising money for this kind of cause again in future.
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Preston Poulter has returned from his hiatus from the titular series "Last Week in Comicsgate" and in the fifth episode of the second season goes over much of the drama over the past two weeks. Preston doubts even if Zack was successful in the lawsuit, that he would have qualified for attorneys fee's to have been covered by Waid and parrots the previous talking points of The Comic Book Hut and JDA, that the lawsuit would have failed due to other publishers offering to publish Jawbreakers and that damages would have been difficult to determine. Preston's D&D partner and leader of Warcampaign Reborn, Doug TenNapel makes an appearance in the comment section.
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Doug Ernst produced a short four minute video going over the joint statement released by both Zack and Waid/King Baby and Doug reaffirms his support for Ya Boi Zack stating that he had donated to the fund and had been willing to fly to Texas to cover the case. Doug admits that while he and Zack haven't spoken in a long time and despite his "inbox lighting up" from those wishing for Doug to criticize Zack, he refrains stating that "he always wanted Zack to succeed." Doug encourages people to sound of in the comment section below, which has amassed 140 comments of people and is roughly 50/50 supportive of Zack.

Of course the most dissent has come from the Warcampaign Mega Stream and from the recent Oz Show #54 which featured a fiery rant from regular guest and boozehound Berserk Guts. Former Comicsgate content creators TUG and Yellowflash have been quiet on the issue and not offered up any opinion having moved on to cover such interesting topics as the Johnny Depp case and Cyberpunk 2077 respectively.
 
Whatchu talkin 'bout, Trolli?
Walking Dead is basically an old horse beaten to death. I'm surprise the comics is still going on.

Kemosabe believes that SJWs may think twice over slandering other creators in future and that Comicsgate is too big to kill from this small victory for the practitioners of cancel culture.
I disagree fellow smug, sjws are going to be emboldened to slander considering how easy for sjws to win lawsuits by dragging it out/tcpa the suits especially under a Democrat administration? Cancel culture is gonna be the new witch trials.
 
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Walking Dead is basically an old horse beaten to death. I'm surprise the comics is still going on.


Cancel culture is gonna be the new witch trials.

Walking Dead as a comic ended, but what Dongs is saying is that the series is the most successful of all time and it’s in the horror genre.


Cancel Culture already is the new witch trials.
 
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I disagree fellow smug, sjws are going to be emboldened to slander considering how easy for sjws to win lawsuits by dragging it out/tcpa the suits especially under a Democrat administration? Cancel culture is gonna be the new witch trials.
Ok, people keep saying this shit and I don't get it. Waid fucked with Ya Boi and had to spend over 2 years in court paying lawyer fees. Just because Meyer dropped the case doesn't mean it didn't cost Waid anything. What nutjob sjw is gonna look at this and think "Yeah, I'll risk court and paying out the ass in legal fees to fuck with some guy." The only people who would be emboldened are guys with money to burn or complete idiots who think they not gonna get dragged to court
 
Ok, people keep saying this shit and I don't get it. Waid fucked with Ya Boi and had to spend over 2 years in court paying lawyer fees. Just because Meyer dropped the case doesn't mean it didn't cost Waid anything. What nutjob sjw is gonna look at this and think "Yeah, I'll risk court and paying out the ass in legal fees to fuck with some guy." The only people who would be emboldened are guys with money to burn or complete idiots
Sjws just want to make sure you'll never find a job, they don't care about the cost because average people don't have war chest from fans so cancelling average people will be easy and most lawsuits usually goes with the sjw's favor with a tcpa or drag it out. Their moral crusade trumps logic or consequences.
 
Ok, people keep saying this shit and I don't get it. Waid fucked with Ya Boi and had to spend over 2 years in court paying lawyer fees. Just because Meyer dropped the case doesn't mean it didn't cost Waid anything. What nutjob sjw is gonna look at this and think "Yeah, I'll risk court and paying out the ass in legal fees to fuck with some guy." The only people who would be emboldened are guys with money to burn or complete idiots who think they not gonna get dragged to court
Waid's lawyer was a fan of his and he had a GoFundMe pay the bills. He lost nothing. The only people who lost any money are the people who trusted and donated to Zack.
 
Sjws just want to make sure you'll never find a job, they don't care about the cost because average people don't have war chest from fans so cancelling average people will be easy and most lawsuits usually goes with the sjw's favor with a tcpa or drag it out. Their moral crusade trumps logic or consequences.
They care, they just don't think about the cost until they actually might have to pay ie: Waid nuking his social media and begging Dunn in texts to confirm that he didn't fuck up. Sjws don't do this shit thinking they can game the courts. They do it because they don't even consider that it might happen

Waid's lawyer was a fan of his and he had a GoFundMe pay the bills. He lost nothing. The only people who lost any money are the people who trusted and donated to Zack.
I wasn't aware you had access to Waid's bills
 
They care, they just don't think about the cost until they actually might have to pay ie: Waid nuking his social media and begging Dunn in texts to confirm that he didn't fuck up. Sjws don't do this shit thinking they can game the courts. They do it because they don't even consider that it might happen
We'll see how cancel culture plays out in 2021 to 2028. I don't see it getting any better of stopping sjws from job lynching people, Zack and Vic are lucky to have a established fanbase to crowdfund, your average troll/republican don't have that.
 
The same people who have been driving people out of the industry for disagreeing with them on twitter?
Yeah. Those people and a lot of people who just worked in comics stayed out of the autistic shit flinging from both sides and just did their jobs like normal human beings because they like Batman and Superman. They lost jobs too. But painting them with the same brush as Mags Visagio and pretending their part of some DC hive mind so you can feel good about their misfortune seems normal.

Fuck all those old people in China who kicked it from the Coof while we're at it 'cause anyone who speaks Mandarin must be guilty of everything the PRC party officials did'.

Dancing on peoples graves because they worked in the mail room of the funny book company your cult leader taught you to hate is very sane and very well adjusted.

G might not have anything to do with DC’s sales, but neither does the pandemic. DC has access to the customers via online sales but no one is buying their books on there either.
'Restaurants have access to delivery and pickup so there's no reason for them to suffer in a pandemic.'

There are stupid takes and then there are takes like the one above.

Invented bullshit. Looking at the bright side of a misfortune isn't arguing that it's "good."
Dancing on the graves of the people who happened to work for the company you're assmad at is rather telling about your character Ethan.

Good people understand that. You don't.

Anyone who points out what an evil cunt I can be is like GAY and shit.
Noted Frog.

While you were celebrating people both good and bad having their lives ruined over the holidays like some Dickensian "hero" did self reflection ever come into play?

Don't answer. That's a rhetorical question.

Comicsgate must either evolve in this competitive system or retreat into a sandbox where substandard, overpriced amateur product can continue to eke out an existence until it invariably succumbs to entropy
CG retreated a long time ago.

The only place CG competes is on YouTube. Any chance of it mattering anywhere outside YouTube faded away a couple years back. CG has more in common with David Dobrick and Jake Paul who are mastering audience monetization than anyone who's making a living off producing comics. CG being about comics is like the Paul bros being about boxing.

It's just as well though, there's more money in YouTube than there is in comics.

Why is @FROG the only one in CG who isnt to autistic to understand the hustle?
Ethan's mental issue isn't debilitating autism which would impede him but rather is narcissism which enables him to function better than a sperg. The problems EVS's NPD have caused him (trapping himself in negative feedback drama spirals, alienating most people who actually get to know him) are out weighed by the skills intelligent narcissists tend to develop. (Endearing oneself to people who don't know them, a keen sense of manipulation)

If Ethan had autism he'd have the upsides of cognitive skills (math, memory) to go along with the deficits. His NPD is a similar double edged sword.
 
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