Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Bosmadden]

Yeah but the WHO just said this last year that herd immunity cannot be achieved by getting sick and building an immunity to the virus.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19

T-cell immunity is a thing, especially when it comes to a Coronavirus. Of course you can be re-infected with the coof, in fact you will be re-infected. Likely millions of people caught it in the first wave and have caught it again since. But as they've already been exposed the second, third and fourth infections will be either a mild cold to showing no symptoms.

The best explanation as to why a third to a half of the people who catch the coof are asymptomatic is likely because of underlying T-cell immunity. This is maybe due to having been exposed to other Coronaviruses or because Covid has been floating around for a lot longer than we think it has.

On the one hand the WHO is arguing for mass vaccination to build herd immunity not because of the short term antibody production, which will last a few weeks/months, but because it will trigger T-cell immunity. On the other they're arguing that catching the virus itself doesn't do that? Fuck off with this nonsense.

At this point in time we have no idea if mRNA vaccines give long term immunity. The best case scenario is that the vaccines won't prevent infections but will reduce the severity of symptoms when you do catch the bug. Immunologists know this but it seems to be too hard for politicians and journalists to wrap their heads around the concept.

BTW the worse case scenario is that the vaccines don't trigger a good T-cell response and they'll prove to be essentially useless.

 

[manperson]

Has anyone seen this Act that NY wants to implement?

Section 1. The public health law is amended by adding a new section 2 2120-a to read as follows:

3 § 2120-a. Removal and detention of cases, contacts and carriers who are or may be a danger to public health; other orders. The provisions of this section shall be utilized in the event that the governor declares a state of health emergency due to an epidemic of any communicable disease. Upon determining by clear and convincing evidence that the health of others is or may be endangered by a case, contact or carrier, or suspected case, contact or carrier of a contagious disease that, in the opinion of the governor, after consultation with the commissioner, may pose an imminent and significant threat to the public health resulting in severe morbidity or high mortality, the governor or his or her delegee, including, but not limited to the commissioner or the heads of local health departments, may order the removal and/or detention of such a person or of a group of such persons by issuing a single order, identifying such persons either by name or by a reasonably specific description of the individuals or group being detained.

Just read through it, looks like you can be detained for up to 60 days without a court order if you fit a "reasonably specific description of the individuals or group being detained". But hey, they'll listen to your complaints ("such person [...] shall [...] be afforded an opportunity to be heard")

This only applies when the disease has "severe morbidity or high mortality", which in normal times would assuage my fears. Objectively COVID-19 does not have severe morbidity or a high mortality, but, given that this act is clearly a response to COVID-19, it seems that even a flu would fit the requirements for people to be locked away for 60 days.

Wouldn't the "identifying group" inevitably be Hasidic Jews (large community in Brooklyn who have been burning masks and not complying with the mandates), Trump supporters, people seen in public not wearing a mask, etc etc.

How is this legal?

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

This is maybe due to having been exposed to other Coronaviruses or because Covid has been floating around for a lot longer than we think it has.

There are reports of antibodies in blood samples dated September 2019 in Italy. Hell, that new strain that's freaking them out right now is might already be widespread by the time it was reported a few weeks ago.

 

[Osyth Osyth]

Any working person wanna verify they’ve been reusing the same like two masks throughout this whole thing? Not washing them or anything just straight up wearing the same mask for two-three months at a time. Because we all know this is performance art at this point and nobody’s gonna know.

I talk to my coworkers mask down and they really don’t care. They do the same when customers aren’t in the store. (Not to PL too much but my youngest coworkers will be fully unmasked when no one is in the store, makes me think the younger population super doesn’t give a fuck)

My boss is a high risk category for contracting COVID and he wears his mask occasionally but he will usually talk to us mask down. It could be just how it is in my store but I’m curious if it’s like this in every store. I saw one of my coworkers face for the first time when she was eating lunch in the break area and it’s crazy to think some of these people I’ve talked to at length for days but wouldn’t recognize them on the street.

 

[FatalTater]

Any working person wanna verify they’ve been reusing the same like two masks throughout this whole thing? Not washing them or anything just straight up wearing the same mask for two-three months at a time. Because we all know this is performance art at this point and nobody’s gonna know.

Me, pretty much. I washed one of mine because it got pet hair on the inside and was making my nose itch. Otherwise meh.

Masks are for keeping the wearer from drooling on stuff, not to give the wearer super germ resistant powers.

 

[Bosmadden]

There are reports of antibodies in blood samples dated September 2019 in Italy. Hell, that new strain that's freaking them out right now is might already be widespread by the time it was reported a few weeks ago.

It's ironic that the CCP claim that the coof didn't originate in China might actually be true, but because they're a bunch of scummy commies no one believes them. TLDR if the Chinks hadn't sperged out when they first detected the virus, because of their experience with SARS, it's likely no one would have given a fuck about Covid-19, let alone destroying the entire global economy in a failed attempt to prevent it's spread.

Me, pretty much. I washed one of mine because it got pet hair on the inside and was making my nose itch. Otherwise meh.

Masks are for keeping the wearer from drooling on stuff, not to give the wearer super germ resistant powers.

3-ply surgical face masks might be useful in preventing incidental droplet transmission. As long as they're changed regularly (at least every 4 hours) and you don't touch them with your hands (ha right). N95 masks are better. P100 respirators if you're taking prevention seriously.

Wearing a dirty cloth mask is disgusting and unhygienic and will do precisely fuck all to stop anyone catching it.

But agreed as mask wearing is nothing more than a performative virtue signal then whatever is most comfortable for the wearer. But definitely clean the stupid thing. Putting something over your face contaminated with old saliva and sputum is gross.

 

[Blake Chortles]

There are reports of antibodies in blood samples dated September 2019 in Italy. Hell, that new strain that's freaking them out right now is might already be widespread by the time it was reported a few weeks ago.

Our lab runs these with state of the art equipment. Antibody tests for COVID are fucking trash and not used for anything. You might as well flip a coin thats about how accurate they are.

PCR test accuracy is often all about nurse collection. We just dealt with an issue where this very very sick covid patient kept testing negative on all 4 of our methods and docs are pissed. Turns out the nurse doesn't know shit about swabs and was just rubbing just inside the nostril.
Ironically they are also overly sensitive. We call positives at cycle 35+. If someone is "asymptomatic", swab collected properly, and the CT is 35+ they don't have fucking COVID. But they """"""might"""""" so its a covid case. Actual sick covid patients go positive at 15-25 cycles.

 

[FatalTater]

Putting something over your face contaminated with old saliva and sputum is gross.

Every day I learn how much less nasty than other people I am.
Seriously, wtf are you people doing out there?

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

Ironically they are also overly sensitive. We call positives at cycle 35+. If someone is "asymptomatic", swab collected properly, and the CT is 35+ they don't have fucking COVID. But they """"""might"""""" so its a covid case. Actual sick covid patients go positive at 15-25 cycles.

How much do you think this is distorting positive cases, then? Is there no suspected rating where you are?

I was actually marked a suspected case several months ago, but the testing hasn't ramped up at the time, so they didn't test me. I only had fever with a really bad headache that resolved in 3 days. My lung xray was all good so I doubt that was the coof.

 

[Bosmadden]

Our lab runs these with state of the art equipment. Antibody tests for COVID are fucking trash and not used for anything. You might as well flip a coin thats about how accurate they are.

PCR test accuracy is often all about nurse collection. We just dealt with an issue where this very very sick covid patient kept testing negative on all 4 of our methods and docs are pissed. Turns out the nurse doesn't know shit about swabs and was just rubbing just inside the nostril.
Ironically they are also overly sensitive. We call positives at cycle 35+. If someone is "asymptomatic", swab collected properly, and the CT is 35+ they don't have fucking COVID. But they """"""might"""""" so its a covid case. Actual sick covid patients go positive at 15-25 cycles.

And there's your other explanation for there being so many asymptomatic carriers. Running tests for up to 45 cycles giving a huge number of false positives.

There's so much fuckery going on it's hard not to think that it's deliberate.

When we were first being trained we were told to swab the Uvula and the back of the nasal cavity, both nostrils. Then it was announced that we only had to aim for the soft palette and around a third of the way up one nostril. This was because the coof virus lived further up the nasopharyngeal cavity than first thought. Alternatively not a lot of people were enjoying having swabs stuck that far up and it was reducing testing rates.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

>writes about white supremacy
>skin as pale as the moon and hair dyed platinum-blonde
>every fucking time
(I bet she is even banging a white dude, too)

Meanwhile the CDC updated its weekly COVIDview (Archive).
Looks like the "second wave" is folding, following a trend from the week just before the holidays.

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I just want to point out here, they are marking deaths now by grouping them as "PIC". Have been since right before the holidays I think, coincidence I'm sure. Now, what does PIC stand for you might ask? Pneumonia, Influenza, and COVID-19. They are in your face, openly and plainly, merging the COVID numbers with the flu and pneumonia numbers.

This virus is fucking nothing. I wish for nothing more from this year than for COVIDiots and fucking terrified Karens to be ruined. I hate to say it, but I really hope there are problems with these two rushed vaccines because these hysterical retards have done nothing but harm to millions of Americans, specifically the poor and working class. I truly detest these people.

 

[vanilla_pepsi_head]

Another comment I have read is, "Driving alone with a mask on is like wearing a condom when you masturbate."

They aren't wrong though. In reality I think it's mostly people putting them on before they get to their destination so they don't forget, or forgetting they have it on, because I don't actually think even the most brain dead doomer would do this thinking it does actual good. Maybe claustrophobic people who need a few minutes to adjust to it, I don't know.

Back in October they estimated 10% of the global population had already been infected

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-who-estimates-10-of-global-population-infected-with-covid-19/a-55162783

They estimate greater than 20 times more people have contracted the virus than positive tests, with around 84 million positive tests as of now.

Of course this is an estimate but given that most of the world doesn't engage in the insane mass PCR testing we see in the west and that even in developed countries for every positive test there will be 5 to 6 times more actual cases, the WHO estimate seems pretty reasonable.

Anyway to put that into perspective a 100 million people in the United States may already have contracted the coof.

Could be, but I'm still skeptical about the supposed asymptomatic carriers. Are most of them just throwing false positives because of dead virus pieces being among the assorted flotsam and jetsam caught in the boogers filtering your air? Everyone is hand sanitizing everything so there are probably a lot of dead/denatured viruses around. Nasal swab PCR isn't even supposed to be used as a diagnostic tool for this exact reason so reporting case numbers based on this is total bunk. Those kinds of projections have been consistently random ass pulls so I don't pay any attention.

Imagine being named Karen, and having like five people say "fuck you, Karen" in this video. I'm actually starting to feel bad for people with the name. The meme was funny for a few minutes, but it got old months ago. Also "fuck you, 2020, for taking my grandma." Damn, sorry for your loss and all, but grandmas die en masses every year. That's just what happens when you get old. It isn't 2020's fault. And another thing, the whole "fuck you, Covid, for closing the schools/getting me laid off/etc." It's not Covid that did that; it was various government's wild overreactions, and decisions to shut down society that did that. Whoever produced this video is either retarded, knowingly producing propaganda, or both

"Karen" was never funny but it at least used to mean something besides "person of either sex who is criticizing me."

Yeah but the WHO just said this last year that herd immunity cannot be achieved by getting sick and building an immunity to the virus.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19

Only the vax right? Lol ok. I don't know how long immunity lasts, no idea, but come the fuck on. Once again the WHO treats the general public like they're fucking retarded. I do remember an article from like summer that was scaremongering about people intentionally getting infected at "Covid parties" thinking they'd rather have it young and then hope the antibodies will exempt them from quarantines or vaccinations, it might've been linked in this thread, I'd cite if I could remember where it was. Not that I think anyone in the history of ever has actually done this, sounds like another "kids these days" post, but if the WHO believes they might it could be why this bullshit take exists. That or because they are aware how many reported cases, "probable" cases counted as legit, and swab tests aren't even real cases and don't want people told they already had it getting coof en masse because they don't care to avoid it now.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Lol, that's just symptoms of using Reddit.

Or does Reddit just attract people who already show those symptoms?

What came first, the Reddit or the Redditor?

The World Health Organization reports a mortality rate of 0.05% in the under 70s. That includes fat diabetics and the chronically unwell. cancer patients and the like.

Given that Covid is endemic, the WHO estimates that 2 billion people globally have now contracted the virus, vaccination will become moot as mass T-cell immunity kicks in and we'll continue to see reduction in mortality rates.

Which is funny because of how long it took the WHO & CDC to admit this. Virologists/Epidemiologists/Statisticians were pointing out that if the virus was truly both as deadly as reported and as asymptomatically transmissible as reported, then we should be seeing much higher death counts, and then seroprevalence studies came out which basically confirmed it was more abundant than reported but likely much less lethal than reported. But it still took time for WHO & CDC to get with the program (and even then I think it was actually countries with high PCR testing confirming similar numbers to what the seroprevalence studies were estimating).

Of course, like good little lemmings the Doomers took the information and ran the other way with it: "Ackachually this means higher death count than reported!11" because listing every possible pneumonia + respiratory ailment as COVID, with or without test somehow means the death toll is under-reported.

Immunologists know this but it seems to be too hard for politicians and journalists to wrap their heads around the concept.

That and the Double-Think of how natural immunity is somehow ineffective against COVID yet a vaccine will stop it. A vaccine using mRNA from people who were infected. Even more traditional vaccines are all designed to trick/train your body into thinking it has the virus so it builds a response.

Don't get me wrong, I'd bet a large sum of money these new vaccines will stop COVID; but that is because natural immunity can and in 99% of cases will stop COVID.

 

[Ear]

The UK reported 57,724 cases today. Our population is 66 million. The mutant strain is a bit catchy eh.

In all seriousness, I think we're about to see NHS utilitarian medical ethics in action, probably by the end of next week.

 

[Inventor of the Telephone]

FUCK YOU 2020
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The juvenile crassness of these types is extremely pathetic.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/02/latest-news-242/#is-the-london-nightingale-really-reopening

Something a bit fishy going on. Matt Hancock did the rounds of the broadcast studios on December 30th claiming that the London Nightingale had been “reactivated”. But to date there isn’t any sign of the ExCel Centre being readied for new patients. And how does Hancock plan to overcome the staffing shortages we’ve heard so much about? The Telegraph has more.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

A interesting link for my fellow bongs. It’s from the office of national statistics website and it tells you how many people in an area have died from coof. Just type in any post code and it will give you the total deaths since March 2020 or a month by month breakdown if you’re so inclined.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19interactivemap/2020-06-12

 

[Tookie]

They aren't wrong though. In reality I think it's mostly people putting them on before they get to their destination so they don't forget, or forgetting they have it on, because I don't actually think even the most brain dead doomer would do this thinking it does actual good. Maybe claustrophobic people who need a few minutes to adjust to it, I don't know.

I would assume most of them are Uber/Lyft drivers in between passengers.

 

[Elysian]

Apparently my cousin tested positive for the coof. She's not old or fat and apparently doesn't have any symptoms so she'll probably be fine, but I have a bad feeling my mom is probably gonna triple down on the batshittery. She's already assuming the worst because she read some news articles that the coof is worse in black people (my cousin is half black), along with another leopards ate my face story about some guy who thought the coof was a hoax having his 4 year old daughter get it really severely and being left with permanent heart complications.

 

[I-chi]

Any working person wanna verify they’ve been reusing the same like two masks throughout this whole thing? Not washing them or anything just straight up wearing the same mask for two-three months at a time. Because we all know this is performance art at this point and nobody’s gonna know.

I talk to my coworkers mask down and they really don’t care. They do the same when customers aren’t in the store. (Not to PL too much but my youngest coworkers will be fully unmasked when no one is in the store, makes me think the younger population super doesn’t give a fuck)

My boss is a high risk category for contracting COVID and he wears his mask occasionally but he will usually talk to us mask down. It could be just how it is in my store but I’m curious if it’s like this in every store. I saw one of my coworkers face for the first time when she was eating lunch in the break area and it’s crazy to think some of these people I’ve talked to at length for days but wouldn’t recognize them on the street.

Wash it in the breakroom, dry it on the line we use to set prints into the clothing. The heat gets it nice and pressed, and the smell is like fresh laundry, so it makes it more bearable to wear. Mind, it's an improvised mask made from clothing cloth like flannel and such that the local Amish had been selling back in March and April during the mass out of stock periods, and I haven't used any other mask since. Most of the shop - save for some of the very old ( understandably cautious ) - know it's an exhausting performance.

 

[Michael Jacks0n]

Lol, that's just symptoms of using Reddit.

Pretty soon those Redditors are gonna claim the vaccine caused obesity, loss of cognizant thought, poor hygiene, and low testosterone too!