Regarding the discourse, well... All I'll really add is that it's kinda odd that you're getting on my case for ignoring stuff when I said the
three major complaints I've seen are
Buuuuut... oh well
Back to Jerry
Because if that is the point they're making it is a legitimately stupid point. It's also not the only criticism that gets met with cries of 'bigotry', and is in fact a criticism I have hardly ever seen. (Even among detractors it's considered beyond stupid and unhelpful.)
You can say
nothing about any LGBT whatever and be called a homophobe. Again, you skipped over the part of my previous post where I mentioned that
anybody who talks out about TLoU2 is dismissed as a homophobic bigot, no matter the point or even if they're there to post. People will ask the TLoU sub-reddit "Why is this game so divisive?" and the response is "because they're all homophobic man-babies". That wasn't even answering anybody, that's just the blanket dismissal.
The whole point is that you cannot have a legitimate, constructive conversation about this game -- or the other properties I mentioned, or any number of other sacred cows that deflect criticism with baseless ad hominem attacks -- because if you don't like it, it's just because you hate women, or gay people, or black people.
No. I hate bad writing.
Which again goes back to Lily's criteria for a Nazi, which is directly related to this phenomenon. She uses the same cues-- if you don't like her work, it's not because she's a toxic person with bad opinions who couldn't write her way out of a paper bag. It doesn't matter if you make a measured response and explain all the objective ways she's wrong or why her work is bad. It's because you're a bigot. You're a transphobe. You are, according to her, a Nazi.
That's even how she appended her twitlonger. Anybody who disagrees with her that Lizzy was abusive only does so because of transphobia. Anybody who offers criticism only does so because she's a strong transwoman of color and they're just bigots.
Son Goku Boku said:
Definitely wanted to circle back to this because holy shit I could not finish this summary. I notice your spoiler tag says you had to rage quit the first time you plunged into this and I do not blame you. The fact that you finished is remarkable.
I tried. I've been keeping up with the others. But -- and I know I shouldn't be surprised at this point -- I am shocked that a fanfic this infamous is this
boring. Even distilling it to the summation it's impossible to get through. Since it's a therapy session it's all about Dash just repeating everything that's happened so far to a third party who also gets to repeat it back to her as part of his analysis.
I get recap chapters, I do. Especially in a format like a fanfic, where publication can be weeks or months or even years between chapters. But I feel like this wasn't published over years, the story isn't meaty enough to require recaps, and I feel like it's been twenty chapters out of twelve with
no forward momentum. If this were just an unabashed porn fic with a dark undertone it would be one thing, but Lily obvious wants this to be a meaningful examination of dark topics (according to the way the TV Tropes page is written) and even if this was just a character study you have to DO SOMETHING.
