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That reminds me I needed to add some Liam stuff to the thread, to add some context to Jspit's post above.
Several days ago Liam appeared on his former cohost's livestream, the Oz Show #53
Clipped for prosperity.
During the fiery appearance Liam made several insinuations including that Ethan VanSciver covered up an alleged sex scandal involving his colorist and was shielding/protecting a pedophile within Comicsgate. Of course in typical Liam fashion no evidence was presented with these outrageous allegations. A post analyzing the video and Liam's allegations can be found here and write up of the entire livestream found here in the main Comicsgate thread, and a transcript will be quoted below courtesy of @Mister Dongs .
During the course of the conversation in the main Comicsgate thread it was theorized that Liam was upset with Ethan because he rebuked his friendship, in response Ethan claimed that Liam had acted inappropriately towards Ethan and his family for quite some time.
When prompted by other kiwis, Ethan would later produce two screenshots giving an example of the kind of creepy rhetoric Liam would send him.
What has followed is several streams of Liam trying to counter the claims made about him, unfortunately from the screenshots provided it would appear that perhaps Liam was a little too invested in trying to become Ethan's friend and may not have understood that the behavior was uncomfortably inappropriate by standard social norms.
Several days ago Liam appeared on his former cohost's livestream, the Oz Show #53
Clipped for prosperity.
During the fiery appearance Liam made several insinuations including that Ethan VanSciver covered up an alleged sex scandal involving his colorist and was shielding/protecting a pedophile within Comicsgate. Of course in typical Liam fashion no evidence was presented with these outrageous allegations. A post analyzing the video and Liam's allegations can be found here and write up of the entire livestream found here in the main Comicsgate thread, and a transcript will be quoted below courtesy of @Mister Dongs .
OZ: Welcome to the stream Liam. What can I do for you?
Liam: Wow! That was a marathon of a stream Oz, wasnt it? We learned a lot of things. Lot of interesting things I think. What do you think Oz? How was it for you?
Oz: Well yeah I mean I had a good time, I hope everyone else had a good time, ehrm, I think we made a few breakthroughs there.
Liam: Do you think its a good thing to do business with white nationalists and other radical groups like that, like Black Lives Matter and stuff like that. Is that something you would do?
Oz: Would I do business with someone that was a racist scumbag?
Liam: Yeah... yeah..
Oz: No I wouldn't, but I would say I do have Ryzie on my show. I just had Testefy on my show. You can't go too much lower in terms of like, human behavior...
Liam: Would you say that 'pedophile' was lower than maybe 'racist'? Would you - if you knew that there was something that was fiddling kids, or at least trying to, would you shield them? Would you shield them because they're just a useful attack dog for you?
Oz: No I probably wouldn't. What are you talking about here?
Liam: If you had, if you had all of the sudden, let's say that one of the... theoretical... We're all just playing pretend here, it's a roleplaying game guys, we're all nerds we like that stuff. Now let's say one of the fathers of one of these guys did an interview, a tell-all. Would that's something that you'd like to be aware of?
Oz: Liam you've got me at a... I mean, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Liam: What I'm saying is that if you were presented with evidence of this stuff, would you knowingly try to be willfully ignorant to, I dunno, try to pretend that you're ignorant of what's going on and that you have no idea what's going on even though you're intimately aware of what's going on? And spend every single day on Kiwi Farms, deeply invested in other people's business and how they do things.
Oz: Uh
Liam: Would you maybe stir up a retard that you could use to attack and drive out your competition or people who were meant to be your allies to try and keep your nose clean?
Oz: Do we know which people you're talking about?
Liam: Aw yeah I think we do. I think a lot of people could probably guess too. And I think there is a lot of stuff that is just waiting to come out. SO *claps* I just want to thank you for the wonderful show, and I do want to say... and I do want to say... and I do want to say one thing to Mister Van Sciver. To Mister Fucking Van Sciver... they pay Micah for his fucking work and you call him a dummy. It's okay not to like someone man, it's okay not to like someone. But don't act you're like a big fucking man and come in and throw your weight around on fucking Micah because he wants to be a good Christian man. It's weak. It's weak. And what you do is weak. You are a manipulator, Ethan van Sciver. You are a manipulator and you use people. And it's all going to come out and when people see what you really are Ethan... When the fact that you threw my friendship back in my face and you made it out like it was my fault, when you said to my face that you wanted to be friends. That you said that you wanted to help me... See this is what he does, he'll tell everyone this too. I just want everyone to know the sort of man that we're dealing with here. Before this shitstorm comes, because it's not going to be coming from me ladies and gentlemen, it's going to be coming from the mainstream media. So let's have fun with that.
Okay, so what he does is that he tells you "Yeah I'm gonna help you I'm gonna help you I'm gonna help you" and then you wait for the help or you say "hey will you help me out you said you were going to help me" and then he ghosts you. And then what happens is people get pissed off, and he pretends "I don't keep up with this, I don't know". He lies, he pretends. And then he'll have conversations about it in backrooms, he'll pretend he doesn't know what's going while he sends other people to attack smaller creators and fuck with their business "for the lolz". "For the lolz" to create content. And then, right, when you don't get the support that he promises he will give you he goes "Oh this is all about getting on my show, this is all about getting my platform. They're so jealous of me! They're jealous that I'm making more than them." It couldn't possibly to do with underhanded tactics, it couldn't have anything to do with the customers that were in Comicsgate were here because they believed in an ideal and a set of values. And I said I'm not cleaning up, when I went to him "Oh I don't know anything, I don't know anything about this. I don't know anything about other people's business! I'm such a delicate flower! I'm just a fuckin' poor little guy." Bullshit. Bullshit.
When I went to you about the Kyle thing and that this shit was going on and that it needed to be handled in a way, you knew nothing. You completely ignored it and not ten minutes you had Ro come to me and say "Hey, if you want to get on Ethan's show you don't go talking about this stuff. You don't go talking about this." You fucking joke Ethan. You're a fucking joke. And you might be the big dog, but I don't need you. No one else needs you and the way that you look the other way when you know the way TUG was treated and that other people was treated shows me you completely lack character, you lack faith and you are shielding people that are dirtier than anything in the mainstream while you are grifting people. And you should be ashamed of yourself for the way to you spoke to Micah Curtis. FUCK. YOU. Thank you Oz.
Oz: Uh, you're welcome... Liam is the hero we need but perhaps not the hero we deserve.
During the course of the conversation in the main Comicsgate thread it was theorized that Liam was upset with Ethan because he rebuked his friendship, in response Ethan claimed that Liam had acted inappropriately towards Ethan and his family for quite some time.
When prompted by other kiwis, Ethan would later produce two screenshots giving an example of the kind of creepy rhetoric Liam would send him.
What has followed is several streams of Liam trying to counter the claims made about him, unfortunately from the screenshots provided it would appear that perhaps Liam was a little too invested in trying to become Ethan's friend and may not have understood that the behavior was uncomfortably inappropriate by standard social norms.