Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[The handsome tard]

Not sure if this was brought up yet

How much you want to bet that NOW that the mainstream media is suggesting that MAYBE...WHO KNOWS...maybe regular old immunity is as effective as vaccine immunity, now everyone will throw that around like its common sense once again, acting like we didnt spend the entirety of 2020 saying just that.

Its literally because daddy media said so that its true now.

I wish nothing but the worst on these people...

 

[Inventor of the Telephone]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/01/16/michigan-identifies-its-first-case-covid-19-variant/4191039001/

The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services identified the state's first case of the new COVID-19 variant, B.1.1.7., on Saturday in an adult female living in Washtenaw County.

The woman recently traveled to the United Kingdom, where the variant originated, according to an announcement from the department. The person's close contacts have been informed and are in quarantine.

[/QUOTE]

- Huge pandemic that requires we close everything and destroy most small businesses
- Sure, why not allow travel to and from other supposed disease hotspots

 

[cybertoaster]

I dont get what the fucking problem is with wearing a mask, I dont do it for the law or others (mask with valve, fuck it cant breath with a closed one) but because I dont want to get this shit

Looking at the rotten tomatoes scores the critics obviously hated it but audiences were only about 30% more receptive at 37%, the bar-graphs on the google reviews are predominately 5s or 1s, though the overall averages out to 3.4 which is better than 50% if my bad math is correct, so it looks like a love it or hate it film which shouldn't be surprising.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it probably isn't very well made on a technical level at minimum since I'm seeing words like "cheese" and "cliche" in both positive and negative reviews.

I'm a little curious now...

I bet its this part

those infected with COVID-23 are taken from their homes against their will and forced into quarantine camps, also known as "Q-Zones" or concentration camps, where some fight back against the brutal restrictions. In these camps, the infected are left to die or forcibly get better.

Libs have unbelievable levels of doublethink since they bitch about a cafe not closing down but all of them endorsed the riots where there was zero distancing or masks used

Of course they are salty about this movie specially because now that dementia bro won it implies he will send them to camps and not the darth cheeto as they thought/secretly wanted

And that would be hilarious

 

[Ruin]

I dont get what the fucking problem is with wearing a mask,

Try having glasses and asthma in Winter and see how much fun they are.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

Try having glasses and asthma in Winter and see how much fun they are.

Or having a grand mal seizure in one. I had coof too and I'd have that again any day over aspirating the foam that comes out my mouth when I pitch an eppy. I am not scared of coof . I am terrified of fitting and choking to death.

I'm not gonna wear a mask because of that, and I've nothing to fear because coof was a minor illness for me.

 

[Ari Gold]

I went climbing today and had to deal with this bullshit..

I was alone for a little while and truly enjoyed myself. Then two more people came around (without masks) and they were rather friendly. We got along fine. This group of two then saw some people approaching and quickly put on their masks. I continued to climb and read without concern for these folks or for a mask. These newcomers soon started saying things like: "Too bad we can't close down like China for two whole weeks and get past this thing." I mostly ignored their better than thou politics, as I am sure they wanted a reaction. This new group also quickly called their dogs back any time they came near me and I couldn't help but smile each time. A lady from the first group of two took off her mask while she climbed occasionally and I witnessed another young lady climb without a mask at least once. Another group came later and a young girl (that had to be continually bribed with snacks for good behavior) in their midst questioned her dad about my presence and asked why I was allowed to be there. And her dad responded that it was a "public park and we can't decide who comes and goes." I continued to read without a reaction.

The social pressure to conform is everywhere, but I am glad some are starting to see.

Edit: I write good

 

[Inventor of the Telephone]

Black Americans are getting vaccinated at lower rates than white Americans

About 3 percent of Americans have received at least one dose of a coronavirus vaccine so far.

www.nbcnews.com

Black Americans are getting vaccinated at lower rates than white Americans​

In the most dramatic case, 1.2 percent of white Pennsylvanians had been vaccinated as of Jan. 14, compared with 0.3 percent of Black Pennsylvanians.

Total White Pennsylvanians: 9,750,000
x 0.012 =
117,000 vaccinated

Total Black Pennsylvanians: 1,560,000
x 0.003 =
4680 vaccinated

How is it out of 1.5 million blacks in Pennsylvania only 5000 have been vaccinated? Half or more of the black population of Pennsylvania lives in or near Philadelphia. Having them concentrated like that seems like it would make it easier to vaccinate them in large numbers.

The vast majority of the initial round of vaccines has gone to health care workers and staffers on the front lines of the pandemic — a workforce that’s typically racially diverse made up of physicians, hospital cafeteria workers, nurses and janitorial staffers.

Is it that they are heavily under-represented in medical staff? That has not been my experience, and my state has similar levels of black population. If anything they might be over-represented in low level medical positions. Hmm!

Also, the Nation of Islam page mentioned in article:

Vaccines / Vaccinations

WARNING: Do Not Take the Experimental COVID-19 Vaccine The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan warns the Black community against taking the Covid-19 Vaccine with the US Government's treacherous history of experimentation, medications and vaccines. This publication provides information, facts and...

www.noi.org

If you have difficulty believing that killing Original people is actually policy, not just random violence, then ask yourself how we can trust the makers and administrators of the Covid-19 vaccine when U.S. laws protect them from liability for injury or death caused by the vaccine?

I did not know that some blacks had taken to referring to themselves as Original people. Kind of cringey.

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/05/gmo-tomato-as-edible-covid-vaccine-mexican-scientists-work-to-make-it-a-reality/

GMO tomato as edible COVID vaccine? Mexican scientists work to make it a reality​

 

[manperson]

I did not know that some blacks had taken to referring to themselves as Original people. Kind of cringey.

What's that supposed to mean? Version 1.0?

 

[teriyakiburns]

I dont get what the fucking problem is with wearing a mask, I dont do it for the law or others (mask with valve, fuck it cant breath with a closed one) but because I dont want to get this shit

A mask won't protect you from other people's aerosols. In a medical setting, masks and other PPE are worn to prevent the wearers compromising a sterile setting, not to protect them from what other people have. If they're dealing with a contagion dangerous enough to require protection, they'll wear a sealed suit with a separate air supply.

If you want to protect yourself from other people, you need to a completely self-contained hazamat suit and respirator. You can buy these things from rubber kink sites on the internet. Pervert.

 

[Inventor of the Telephone]

What's that supposed to mean? Version 1.0?

Early prerelease test version, feature incomplete.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

What I remember reading was that the way C19 acts it doesn't leave many long lasting antibodies around to be immune with, unlike some viruses which provide long lasting immunity assuming you survive them. I'm grasping for the right terms and don't know them because I'm not someone who studies this shit, but my impression was that it was of a type of virus that typically does this and that's the reason reinfection is possible and likely.

So here are the problems with this line of thought:
1) Viruses don't "provide"/"give" you anything, your own body does. COVID would have to be specifically targeting your immune system (which AFAIK it ain't) and targeting it permanently (which it can't) for this to be true.
The obvious exception is HIV, which critics love to bring up. But people who compare COVID to HIV are extremely misguided (I'm being gentle), because HIV an entirely different kingdom of viri (like comparing monkeys to mushrooms) which permanently change your genetic code to exist in you forever, and are CONSTANTLY assailing your white blood cells.
2) Antibodies aren't supposed to last*. Antibodies are like bullets, fired from B-Cells. What matters with an immune response is if your B-cells know the "recipe" to build the best antibody.
Its less about the bullets themselves but rather the working bullet factory that can make more antibodies.
These new mRNA vaccines supposedly work by providing your B-cell the "recipe" in the form of messenger RNA, so your B-cells know how to concoct & product the right antibody before COVID even enters the system..
3*) Not all antibodies are the same. Some are longer-lasting specialized antibodies (i.e. influenza or variola-specific), some are short term generalist (i.e. broadly effective against most viruses/bacteria/proteins, but not the most effective against any specific strain). Most of the "COVID antibodies dont last!!!" tests came from measuring those short-term generalist antibodies (which are usually the first thing the immune system puts out before it analyzes the threat and builds the right antibody) which are not designed to last.
4) B-cells & Antibodies are only 1/2 the fighting immune response and 1/3rd the lasting immune response. The other players are T-cells (which self-destruct infected host cells before the viral particles can replicate & burst free); and your body's own genetic memory which stores the code as DNA and translates it to RNA which is then used to rebuild the proper antibodies should the need arise after they expire.

The irony for the branch covidians is of course that the "reinfection" part of the narrative being convincing to me also convinces me that the vaccine is nothing but a symbol in practice, but that's the issue with large, unwieldy, double-down-y narratives: severe internal contradictions.

You aren't wrong here.
Not counting mutations, there is no reason a vaccine would give better immunity than the real infection. Some sources claim that fighting the real thing will always result in a stronger immune response (provided you survive).

IMO it seems like COVID can "reinfect" again in the sense that it can begin the infection process again, but gets BTFO'd by the immune system before serious symptoms can show; as most recorded "reinfections" have been mild or asymptomatic and even the vaccine they say "well it stops you from developing severe symptoms but you might still pass it on"; which to me sounds like COVID is good at spreading to new hosts even when it hasn't established a stable "beachhead" (if you will) into the current host.

I'm worried that universities will say you need to have it before you can return on campus, but I seriously would consider deferring for a year instead of risking my health decades down the line. And tons of doctors agree with me, if you ask them in private. Oddly, it's mostly the Latino and Brazilian ones. They all have this thought that of course the government is into population control, can't trust something that came out so quickly right now.

One of my close friends is a medical lab tech originally from Brazil, and she has been astoundingly against this whole COVID panic. Granted, she was out of work for 2 months at the start of Coronapanic, so she's certainly biased against COVID restrictions.

Its also crazy the based shit Latin Americans will say behind closed doors.

Funny enough
I helped with Katrina in Galveston . I can tell you storys for days long story short though FEMA is about as useless as a turtle on a Fence post

Helped with Michael in Florida. I second this assertation.

Also had to wear P100 and change the filters twice a workday to prevent FUNGAL spores from penetrating.

 

[the fall of man]

A mask won't protect you from other people's aerosols. In a medical setting, masks and other PPE are worn to prevent the wearers compromising a sterile setting, not to protect them from what other people have. If they're dealing with a contagion dangerous enough to require protection, they'll wear a sealed suit with a separate air supply.

If you want to protect yourself from other people, you need to a completely self-contained hazamat suit and respirator. You can buy these things from rubber kink sites on the internet. Pervert.

How will my Axe body spray attract premium trailer trash if everyone is wearing lockdown latex

 

[teriyakiburns]

How will my Axe body spray attract premium trailer trash if everyone is wearing lockdown latex

spray it on the outside. the shimmer of condensing chemicals will substitute for the stench, like photophores on a cuttlefish.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

I have no idea why people choose to wear cloth masks when surgical masks are cheap and widely available.

When COVID first ran rampant in the US, people were being told not to wear surgical-grade masks because the health care professionals that needed multiple masks during the course of their workday faced a sudden shortage that could expose them to COVID more than they already were. Empirically, this seems to have been debunked about six months ago. A healthcare worker I know has told me twice since the summer that the facilities he works at have more masks than they know what to do with. However, people today latch onto something -- the initial high demand for masks, for example -- and don't let go or change their stance once updated information becomes available, especially information that supersedes or goes against what they were initially told to believe.

It's like on January 1st a bureaucrat entered every single dem office and said, "Our annual reports tell us we're fucked financially if we don't stop destroying the economy." Of course, a high school dropout could have told them that 8 months ago. But then orange man might have been right. Can't have that.

Even TDS-infected doomers are starting to take notice when people they know talk about how much COVID-related restrictions have cost them and their small businesses financially. The doomers may still have no empathy for them and double down on the pro-mask; pro-vaccine; and anti-Trump rhetoric, but some are starting to understand that real people they know are struggling to remain financially sound the longer restrictions drag out.
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From what I read, part of Biden's $1.9 trillion COVID package includes the increasing of the Federal minimum wage to $15/hour. Although the SEIU would be happy if this materializes (because they're the union that's been pushing this for years), it would be yet another kick in the crotch for small businesses. In my state, this would amount to a 55% increase over the existing state minimum wage. How many small businesses can absorb that kind of cost increase when their business activity and revenues are significantly lower due to COVID? (/rhetorical)

 

[Arm Pit Cream]

What the goddamn fuck, DO NOT take this shit under any circumstances. Even after this has medically fucked up people, they're demanding those same people take a second dose

13 Israelis suffer facial paralysis after coronavirus vaccine - report​

COVID-19 vaccine: 13 out of 2 mil. Israelis suffer facial paralysis

Doctors in the health system estimate that in practice the number of cases is higher. They are determining if these people should be given their second dose.

m.jpost.com

https://archive.li/RVYYL

Some 13 people have experienced mild facial paralysis as a side effect after taking the COVID-19 vaccine, the Health Ministry reported, and estimates are that the number of cases could be higher.

Health officials have raised questions about whether or not to administer the second dose to these individuals, but the Health Ministry is recommending that the second dose be given.
"For at least 28 hours I walked around with it [facial paralysis]," one person who had the side effect told Ynet. "I can't say it was completely gone afterwards, but other than that I had no other pains, except a minor pain where the injection was, but there was nothing beyond that."

As for receiving the second dose, he admits he is undecided, but says that "it is important to note that this is something rare, and I don't want people to avoid getting vaccinated – it's important."


"I recently came across, for example, someone vaccinated who was dealing with paralysis, and decided not to give her a second dose," Prof. Galia Rahav, director of the Infectious Diseases Unit at Sheba Medical Center told Ynet. "It is true that it can be given according to the Health Ministry, but I did not feel comfortable with it."

She added that, "No one knows if this is connected to the vaccine or not. That's why I would refrain from giving a second dose to someone who suffered from paralysis after the first dose."

The Health Ministry stated, however, that the second dose should of course be only provided if and when the paralysis passes, Ynet reported.

 

[Mepsi Pax]

I went climbing today and had to deal with this bullshit..

From what I've seen this hobby has THE gayest, most insectoid membership ever. It used to be really fringe, but now it's flooded with hybridized urban "outdoors" types, who seem to overlap almost 100% with the worst of sanctimonious left wing bullshit. The older ones who bring their little kids so they can force them (?) to climb are basically all yuppie globohomo types.

I'm sorry that you have to participate in this scene. I'm sure there are some old school hippies and random chads that are OK, but I wouldn't last a fuckin' day among the rest of those heathen. Motorsports it certainly ain't.

 

[NyQuilninja]

So here are the problems with this line of thought:
1) Viruses don't "provide"/"give" you anything, your own body does. COVID would have to be specifically targeting your immune system (which AFAIK it ain't) and targeting it permanently (which it can't) for this to be true.
The obvious exception is HIV, which critics love to bring up. But people who compare COVID to HIV are extremely misguided (I'm being gentle), because HIV an entirely different kingdom of viri (like comparing monkeys to mushrooms) which permanently change your genetic code to exist in you forever, and are CONSTANTLY assailing your white blood cells.
2) Antibodies aren't supposed to last*. Antibodies are like bullets, fired from B-Cells. What matters with an immune response is if your B-cells know the "recipe" to build the best antibody.
Its less about the bullets themselves but rather the working bullet factory that can make more antibodies.
These new mRNA vaccines supposedly work by providing your B-cell the "recipe" in the form of messenger RNA, so your B-cells know how to concoct & product the right antibody before COVID even enters the system..
3*) Not all antibodies are the same. Some are longer-lasting specialized antibodies (i.e. influenza or variola-specific), some are short term generalist (i.e. broadly effective against most viruses/bacteria/proteins, but not the most effective against any specific strain). Most of the "COVID antibodies dont last!!!" tests came from measuring those short-term generalist antibodies (which are usually the first thing the immune system puts out before it analyzes the threat and builds the right antibody) which are not designed to last.
4) B-cells & Antibodies are only 1/2 the fighting immune response and 1/3rd the lasting immune response. The other players are T-cells (which self-destruct infected host cells before the viral particles can replicate & burst free); and your body's own genetic memory which stores the code as DNA and translates it to RNA which is then used to rebuild the proper antibodies should the need arise after they expire.

You aren't wrong here.
Not counting mutations, there is no reason a vaccine would give better immunity than the real infection. Some sources claim that fighting the real thing will always result in a stronger immune response (provided you survive).

IMO it seems like COVID can "reinfect" again in the sense that it can begin the infection process again, but gets BTFO'd by the immune system before serious symptoms can show; as most recorded "reinfections" have been mild or asymptomatic and even the vaccine they say "well it stops you from developing severe symptoms but you might still pass it on"; which to me sounds like COVID is good at spreading to new hosts even when it hasn't established a stable "beachhead" (if you will) into the current host.

One of my close friends is a medical lab tech originally from Brazil, and she has been astoundingly against this whole COVID panic. Granted, she was out of work for 2 months at the start of Coronapanic, so she's certainly biased against COVID restrictions.

Its also crazy the based shit Latin Americans will say behind closed doors.

Helped with Michael in Florida. I second this assertation.

Also had to wear P100 and change the filters twice a workday to prevent FUNGAL spores from penetrating.

I mostly cleaned the docks and the water ways. As for FEMA they mostly did fuck all other then telling the niggers were to receive there handouts while occupying the Usable hotels.

 

[teriyakiburns]

What the goddamn fuck, DO NOT take this shit under any circumstances. Even after this has medically fucked up people, they're demanding those same people take a second dose

13 Israelis suffer facial paralysis after coronavirus vaccine - report​

COVID-19 vaccine: 13 out of 2 mil. Israelis suffer facial paralysis

Doctors in the health system estimate that in practice the number of cases is higher. They are determining if these people should be given their second dose.

m.jpost.com

https://archive.md/RVYYL

There is one possibility. The injection site is close to a nerve plexus in the upper arm, which connects to the a nerve root in the C5 vertebra, from which also radiates nerves that control the face, jaw, areas of the upper abdomen on the same side. I'm well aware of this plexus because I have issues with the right side of my face that result from a trapped nerve in my arm. A jab in the right place could potentially induce temporary paralysis. Ask me how I know.

Or, as an alternative, the introduction of a novel toxin (which mRNA could potentially be classified as) to a nerve cluster might induce all sorts of weird and whacky effects. It's not something that would have been considered in such a rushed race to certification as this vaccine has had, but it is an interesting angle that should have had more research.

Or it could be Bell's Palsy, which is entirely unrelated to all of that, and we should all panic.

 

[Arm Pit Cream]

There is one possibility. The injection site is close to a nerve plexus in the upper arm, which connects to the a nerve root in the C5 vertebra, from which also radiates nerves that control the face, jaw, areas of the upper abdomen on the same side. I'm well aware of this plexus because I have issues with the right side of my face that result from a trapped nerve in my arm. A jab in the right place could potentially induce temporary paralysis. Ask me how I know.

Or, as an alternative, the introduction of a novel toxin (which mRNA could potentially be classified as) to a nerve cluster might induce all sorts of weird and whacky effects. It's not something that would have been considered in such a rushed race to certification as this vaccine has had, but it is an interesting angle that should have had more research.

Or it could be Bell's Palsy, which is entirely unrelated to all of that, and we should all panic.

That doesn't happen to 13 different people like this, way too low odds. Why don't normal vaccines ever do this if it has to do with the injection site?

 

[Ruin]

What the goddamn fuck, DO NOT take this shit under any circumstances. Even after this has medically fucked up people, they're demanding those same people take a second dose

13 Israelis suffer facial paralysis after coronavirus vaccine - report​

COVID-19 vaccine: 13 out of 2 mil. Israelis suffer facial paralysis

Doctors in the health system estimate that in practice the number of cases is higher. They are determining if these people should be given their second dose.

m.jpost.com

https://archive.md/RVYYL

Lmao Jews got Jewed.