Queer indie games deserve more recognition

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I enjoy visual novels and I think they deserve respect as a medium the same as any other ... but people (especially people who like them) need to stop lumping them in with games.

They aren’t. They’re an interesting blending of narrative mediums, but they’re not games. and I hate how angry people get when other people say that, as if it’s dismissive. There’s nothing wrong with not being a “game”.

Hell, once people stop treating them as games and get ok with treating them as ‘just’ interesting ways to tell stories, they might actually GET the recognition people want, because they won’t have to serve 10 different masters.
 
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Ververg said:
I see what you're doing with this. This article is a gayop to revive @Jaimas to play this terrible game. I agree. Look at the game that the article writer made. Holy FUCK it's like it's right out of the days of the Autism Crusades.
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That fucking Meatpunks game is in the queue, I'll get on this one after. @CatParty demands it.
 
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Now I have a dilemma because I was going to download this later, but you do these things so much justice I'm not sure if I'd rather wait.
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I will say this much about my upcoming review:

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This one's going to hurt.
 
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Screw Danlon said:
Hell, once people stop treating them as games and get ok with treating them as ‘just’ interesting ways to tell stories, they might actually GET the recognition people want, because they won’t have to serve 10 different masters.
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I put them in the same tier as Audiobooks, if the interaction with the game is reduced to only reading then its not a game per se, a book is still a book even if you put it steam and call it book.exe
 
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Wanting your game to be recognized because it has gay characters is pretty shallow. Unless, you're playing a dating sim, who cares if dicks are gonna touch or not? I just want good gameplay. You could make most of the main characters in my favorite games gay/lesbian and nothing of importance would change because their sexuality isn't the focus.

If game with a queer focus gets popular because it's genuinely good, cool. But thinking you're owed the attention is quite silly.
 
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EmpireOfTheClouds said:
I have a better idea, let's recognize good indie games that just HAPPEN to be queer.

Like seriously, who the fuck plays through a whole game only to go "ooh that was pretty cool, if only the writer was gay/trans". I know I haven't, and I'm gay myself.
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Fucking nobody says that.

The reason this kind of shit exists is because the most important parts of game development take actual skill. None of the people making these games have any actual talent with writing, game design, or world-building, which are the bricks and mortar of fucking game development. They can't make a game worth actually playing, so they go for narrative experiences, only they're tacitly untalented in this category and it shows at every level. To make up for this, they lock onto current year politics and attach their own brand of nonsense to it in an effort to get Twitter asspats.
 
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Jaimas said:
Fucking nobody says that.

The reason this kind of shit exists is because the most important parts of game development take actual skill. None of the people making these games have any actual talent with writing, game design, or world-building, which are the bricks and mortar of fucking game development. They can't make a game worth actually playing, so they go for narrative experiences, only they're tacitly untalented in this category and it shows at every level. To make up for this, they lock onto current year politics and attach their own brand of nonsense to it in an effort to get Twitter asspats.
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One of the things I will say positively about about the TLOU series was that not only are the queer characters actual people who just happen to be queer, but the game does a good job of presenting them as being in an environment that's pretty dangerous for queers to be in. Especially Lev, who is transgender, as the cult he's in targeted him for his identity and was able to escape and find love with Abby.

Not that it excuses the piss poor writing in the second game, and I actually wouldn't say no to a game with casually gay characters so long as it doesn't define them (but also not to the point where its their entire personality), but me being gay doesn't change the fact that I would rather play games with mostly straight characters with actual personalities instead of "hey everybody, this guy is gay!!!" being the sole reason for their existence.
 
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EmpireOfTheClouds said:
One of the things I will say positively about about the TLOU series was that not only are the queer characters actual people who just happen to be queer, but the game does a good job of presenting them as being in an environment that's pretty dangerous for queers to be in. Especially Lev, who is transgender, as the cult he's in targeted him for his identity and was able to escape and find love with Abby.

Not that it excuses the piss poor writing in the second game, and I actually wouldn't say no to a game with casually gay characters so long as it doesn't define them (but also not to the point where its their entire personality), but me being gay doesn't change the fact that I would rather play games with mostly straight characters with actual personalities instead of "hey everybody, this guy is gay!!!" being the sole reason for their existence.
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Night in the Woods is basically what happens if you want that game's concept done right.
 
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I dont care about the homo games if I could have it my way, I'd make it illegal and forbidden to have homo Men; women are safe. Also, I would have the secondary definition of the word "gay", being Homosexual, REMOVED from the word in the dictionaries, and all instinctions and sayings of the word will ONLY LEGALLY be used to mean HAPPY, as it was originally intended among songs like "Deck the Halls"
 
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Jaimas said:
They can't make a game worth actually playing, so they go for narrative experiences, only they're tacitly untalented in this category and it shows at every level. To make up for this, they lock onto current year politics and attach their own brand of nonsense to it in an effort to get Twitter asspats.
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In fairness, it’s not like they’re the only ones with no game making talent trying to make games. It’s just that they refuse to shut up about it and they want to be viewed as heroes just for making something.

but there’s all sorts of shitty “intentionally bad” Goat Simulator style games, or lazy RPG maker trash and broken platformers and whatnot. They just don’t have delusions of grandeur - they know they’re crap and just hope they can trick a few people for a quick buck.
 
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