/r/wsb autists taking on a wallstreet hedgefund. Elon musk involved as always / wallstreetbets / gamestop - Gamergate 2: financial boogaloo

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The honest to God truth is nobody knows what is going to happen Monday morning. IMO though the sell off of solid investments like Microsoft and Tesla on Friday indicates the fuse got lit for an explosion. Whether it happens or not is anyone's guess but there is a shit ton of uncertainty.

Someone in this thread commented that "the people are rioting with their money", and that is literally what is going on. We are watching a full on riot play out. The causes and motivations for a riot may be rational but by definition its execution is not. And it can cause a stupendous amount of damage.

The smart play on Monday IMO is to GTFO. Riots end in only two ways. Total meltdown or crackdown by the authorities. The latter of which could be both figurative or literal. Figuratively the big hedge funds not in deep to this mess will start to move in and they will start night sticking the little guys. Literally and someone will go wake Grandpa Joe up from his nap in the White House sun room so the Feds can move in and crash the party. Or else the rioters win and burn the shit to the ground.

Either way if you value your money you dont want to be there when the shit really hits the fan.
I was the one who said this was an investors riot.

Just like a riot you got a lot of whispers trying to pull the mob in one direction or another.

The moment I realized OWS was fucked: when there was a literal neo-nazi hanging around the Zuccotti park and the media spin was: look at how wacky and diverse the protestors are! Such an obvious glowie, but I didn't know that term yet.

Ows taught any overt movement is doomed. You want change? Be more covert about it. Open movements get attention seekers, morons, astro turfers, grifters, fed agents, foreign agents, corporate agents, radials of other movements, and other influences trying to shape or hi jack it.

Avoiding the public eye would seem key to preventing all that.
 
Riots end in only two ways. Total meltdown or crackdown by the authorities. The latter of which could be both figurative or literal. Figuratively the big hedge funds not in deep to this mess will start to move in and they will start night sticking the little guys. Literally and someone will go wake Grandpa Joe up from his nap in the White House sun room so the Feds can move in and crash the party. Or else the rioters win and burn the shit to the ground.

Either way if you value your money you dont want to be there when the shit really hits the fan.

Biden and his handlers absolutely aren't going to allow a stock market crash less than 2 weeks into his Presidency. If it is going that way, they will bail out the hedges, devalue the stock for the wsb guys and prosecute a couple for collusion, then regulate it so it can't happen again. And the media will carry the water for him.
 
Biden and his handlers absolutely aren't going to allow a stock market crash less than 2 weeks into his Presidency. If it is going that way, they will bail out the hedges, devalue the stock for the wsb guys and prosecute a couple for collusion, then regulate it so it can't happen again. And the media will carry the water for him.

Except they currently have congress embroiled in Impeaching Trump AGAIN. That is the Senates agenda for February. They will have to put impeaching the orange man off to deal with this, and the shit will really fly then. The SEC doesnt even have a chairman atm. Because again, the Senate is busy dealing with the Orange Man Bad trial. Again.
 
Biden and his handlers absolutely aren't going to allow a stock market crash less than 2 weeks into his Presidency. If it is going that way, they will absolutely bail out the hedges, devalue the stock for the wsb guys and prosecute a couple for collusion, then regulate it so it can't happen again. And the media will carry the water for him.
For sure this will happen but its really hard to argue against the millions of independent retail investors choosing to purchase stock during a frenzy (isn't this what the stock market is there for?) How can they argue the legality of it when there is so much skin in the game and so many eyes watching it. If they try to cheat the people out of money owed I would expect a revolt to occur so their best bet right now is to limit the loss and pay out hence why we are seeing "limited trade options" from a lot of brokerages.
 
Biden and his handlers absolutely aren't going to allow a stock market crash less than 2 weeks into his Presidency. If it is going that way, they will bail out the hedges, devalue the stock for the wsb guys and prosecute a couple for collusion, then regulate it so it can't happen again. And the media will carry the water for him.
This won't happen.

Fact is that right now, the American stock market is extremely fragile. If counterfeit stocks are in the market and its handwaved away by biden... sure. Normies may not care, but overseas investors will. They'll see this and pull out. Why? Because anyone can make counterfeit stocks now. So the stock market to them will have little value.

In fact, they may go to china's stock market instead.

And his cabinet knows this.

No, their solution will be more subtle. It will not be overt.

Note: I do agree that biden will not allow the crash to happen. His cabinet cannot.
 
Holy shit I might be late but this is massive. According to r/WSB Hedge Funds have been counterfitting Game Stop stock. That's a major fucking SEC violation.

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Short Version: The short version is that a review of the 'strategic fails–to–deliver' data indicates that institutional insiders may have counterfeited a massive number of Gamestop shares which is why they tried to stop retail investors from buying more shares on Thursday.
There are are 71 million shares of GME that have ever been issued by the company. Institutions have reported to the SEC via 13F filings that they own more than 102,000,000 shares (including the 13% of GME stock is owned by Ryan Cohen). That is already 30,000,000 shares more than even exist.
On top of the shares reportedly owned by institutions, retail investors may currently hold 50+ million shares (counting both long holdings and call options – both ITM and OTM).
Once you include call options, retail investors may already hold more than 100% of GME (not just 100% of the float, more than 100% of the actual company). This would be definitive proof of illegal activity at the highest levels of the financial system.
Long Version: A more detailed analysis by /u/johnnydaggers is here. This chart is also from /u/johnnydaggers: Link to original analysis

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I have been following GME since mid-September and over that time I have banked myself a %1300 return in the process. However, the whole time I was a little puzzled with how severe the reactions from Wall Street have been, especially this week. "The company had more than 100% of its stock sold short! That's never happened before!", you say. I know, I know, but that's not actually not a new thing. A short squeeze, even one of this magnitude, should have squoze by now with GME up more than 10x in the span of weeks. Something is just not right. I think there is something much, much bigger going on here. Something big enough to blow up the entire financial system.

Here is my hypothesis: I think the hedge funds, clearing houses, and DTC executed a coordinated effort to put Game Stop out of business by conspiring to create a gargantuan number of counterfeit shares of GME, possibly 100-200% or more of the shares originally issued by Game Stop. In the process, they may have accidentally created a bomb that could blow up the entire system as we know it and we're seeing their efforts to cover this up unfold now. What is that bomb? I believe retail investors may hold more than 100% of GME (not just 100% of the float, more than 100% of the actual company). This would be definitive proof of illegal activity at the highest levels of the financial system.

For you to follow this argument, you need to go read the white paper "Counterfeiting Stock 2.0" so you understand how the hedge funds can create fake stock out of thin air and disguise it so it looks like real shares. They use these fake shares in short attacks to drive the price of a company down until they put them into bankruptcy. This practice seems to be widespread among hedge funds that go short. There is even a term for it, "strategic fails–to–deliver." Counterfeiting shares is extremely illegal (similar level to counterfeiting money) but it's very difficult to prove and even getting the court to approve subpoenas because of the way the financial industry has stacked the deck against investigations.

This completely explains why so many levels of the financial system seem to be actively trying to get in the way of retail investors purchasing more GME. It's not just about a short squeeze, it's about their firms' very existence and their own personal freedom. We have the opportunity to put all these people in jail by proving that we own more than 100% of shares in existence.

There are are 71 million shares of GME that have ever been issued by the company. Institutions have reported to the SEC via 13F filings that they own more than 102,000,000 shares (including the 13% of GME stock is owned by Ryan Cohen). Now, I don't know the delay/variance on these ownership numbers, but I think there is a pretty solid argument that close to 100% of GME is owned by these firms, if not more.

Moreover, there are now more than 7 million people subscribed to r/wallstreetbets~~. I know lots of people here are sitting on a few hundred shares that they bought back when it was under $50. Some of us are even holding thousands. If the average number of shares owned by each subscriber is even close to 5-10, we have a very good shot at also owning a similarly enormous amount of GME.~~ Even if the average was just 10 shares per legit subscriber, that puts the minimum retail position at about 30-50% of the entire company.

GME has been on the NYSE threshold list for almost a month. We don't have January data yet, but I just analyzed the data from the SEC's fails–to–deliver list for December (all 65,871 lines of it) and looked up the number of shares that were likely counterfeit. For comparison, I did the same for a couple random tickers. Most companies have close to no shares not show up. Of those that do, it's a relatively small number of shares. For example, two random companies: Lowes ($LOW, ~$125B market cap) had 13,960 shares fail to be delivered at its highest point that month, Boston Beer Company ($SAM, $11.5B market cap) had 295 shares fail to be delivered.

How many shares of GME failed to deliver? 1,787,191. As the white papers points out, the true number of counterfeit shares can be 20x this number. How bad do you think that number will be when we get the numbers for January? I'm willing to bet its many times that. Look at how that compares to other companies' stock:

Histogram showing number of shares that weren't delivered in December (x-axis) vs the number of companies that fall into that bin (y-axis). GME is an extreme outlier.

I think this explains all the shenanigans going on the last few days. There is way too much counterfeit GME stock out there and DTC, the clearing houses, and the hedge funds are all in on it. That's why there has been such a coordinated effort to disrupt our ability to buy shares. No real shares can be found and it's about to cause the system to fall apart.

TLDR; We probably own way more of GME than we think and that is freaking out Wall Street because it could prove they've been up to some extremely illegal shit and the whole system could implode as a result.

Disclaimer: I'm just a starving engineering PhD student and I don't work in finance. I have no inside knowledge of how the financial system works and I may be wrong on some of this. This is not financial advice and you shouldn't trade based on it. I am book-smart but I still eat crayons like the rest of you. Obligatory rocket: 🚀



EDIT 0: Looks like I truly belong on this sub. On the first version of this post I didn't read the file description properly and summed a cumulative distribution. My numbers were wrong, but I have updated the plot and post with the correct numbers.

EDIT 1: You should also note this is the distribution for NASDAQ tickers, not the entire NYSE. I doubt that the distribution trend is any different though.

EDIT 2: Evidence that Fannie May and Freddie Mac were killed in 2008 via short attacks using counterfeit shares: report. Exactly what I think they were trying to do to GME.

EDIT 3: A lot of people were hung up on the "3 shares per wsb subscriber thing". I know many accounts are bots, I was intentionally underestimating that number. I have adjusted to 10 shares per "legit subscriber" to reflect this without changing the total amount I think retail owns.

EDIT 4: What I'm seeing on Twitter makes me think I'm being interpreted a little too hyperbolically when I say "Something big enough to blow up the entire financial system." We're not going to go back to mud huts, people. This could just be really disruptive for a short amount of time and cause a number of firms to face liquidity problems, possibly bankrupting some of them. Life will go on and I'm confident regulators and government will step in and protect people if necessary. Hopefully they pay more attention to enforcing securities laws going forward to prevent this from happening again.

EDIT 5: Backup link for white paper.

EDIT 6: I am getting thousands of messages. I won't be able to respond to all of them. Here is an FAQ:

  1. How do I learn investing?I am not an authority on this, but my personal opinion is to first learn how to read a company's financial documents and value businesses and only then start thinking about putting your money into specific stocks. Read "the intelligent investor" by Benjamin Graham for this. Then learn how to think about picking stocks. I like Peter Lynch's books for this.
  2. What is going to happen this week?I have no idea and I wouldn't dare to guess.
  3. Are you going to be killed?I don't know where people are getting this idea. I have no special knowledge or insider contacts, and I am in no way, shape, or form an expert on the market or the system behind it. Please treat my tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories as just that. There is nothing to gain from harming me and I have no doubts about my safety. These are just personal opinions and I don't have any schemes to "take down the shorts" or anything like that. I do not advocate for you to buy, hold, or sell. I'm just postulating on how we might have found ourselves in this place.

Allegedly counterfeit stocks that were short are what kill Freddie Mac and Fanny May back in the 2008 crash. If they are doing it with $GME this it could kill any faith in the America stock market domestically and internationally i.e. kill it unless the Fed takes swift and harsh action if it's revealed. to be true.

Someone in one of the threads suggested that this is just speculation, and not actually illegal? Is that true?
 
Some guy on 4chan did a study using links to detect bot accounts(basically accounts that would click a link in an unhuman amount of time or wouldn't react at all to an obvious fake link) and found that a large amount of thread OPs and early replies were not humans. You can probably guess which boards this is most common on. Kinda wonder if thats the reason places like the chans are allowed to exist and be popular.
During some of the Q larp, when it was still on 4chan, there was massive floods of bots.

We did some experiments: we'd post something really 'not friendly to the elite', like a few links and synopses of "Culture of Critique", and put a image with hard to read image with text like "Can you read this, if so type the name of an animal somewhere in your post".

1/5 of all posters in the thread passed the test, but margin of error might be high, because there's the retard factor on 4chan as well.

Someone in one of the threads suggested that this is just speculation, and not actually illegal? Is that true?
Counterfitting stock is illegal as fuck. But it's extremely hard to prove and very complicated. So investigators often ignore it, because they'd rather not prosecute banks anyway.
 
Someone in one of the threads suggested that this is just speculation, and not actually illegal? Is that true?

Oh no it is VERY illegal. The only entity that can issue stock is the company itself. Brokerage firms then take those stocks from the companies and sell them on for a fee. What is alleged here though is maybe the brokers decided to sell on more stock then they actually had. This means more fees for them, and if you are a short seller, it allows you to further devalue the company you are targeting.

This is Securities Fraud and is mega pound me in the ass federal prison illegal.
 
Really interesting stuff. Really sad though that the internet is becoming less and less usable for communication because of this.
I remember a thread on /pol/ where OP linked to some 'encoder-decoder' website and posted an image with the key in it. I think that would work much better for bot detection because bots wouldn't be able to use the website, and any trolls would not realise (at first, at least) that the thread was about finding bots. However, it wouldn't work well for detecting shills as they would just ignore the thread altogether. I didn't see too many bots in the thread, though. A few bots are to be expected, of course, as 4chan is ripe for bot abuse but otherwise I think a lot of derailment actually occurs because of trolls. Perhaps I am wrong.
 
The only people who get fucked are the ones that bought in at the 200+ mark and sell below it, the strategy is the hedgies doubled down till the end of February expecting us autists to chain panic sell off between now and the end of the month so they can cover some of their losses just hold and you should expect to see it spike up again in a month assuming people are buying the dip during the month of february keeping it above $300 a share. Same concept goes for other shorted stock.

Disclaimer: This is my opinion and am not advising anyone to do anything this is just me exercising my feelings.
I think a lot of people holding GME hold 1 or a few shares and don't care if it goes to zero. To them its a protest. Ya there may end up being a lot of bag holders but its a very tiny bag.
 
Counterfitting stock is illegal as fuck. But it's extremely hard to prove and very complicated. So investigators often ignore it, because they'd rather not prosecute banks anyway.
I mean if they are counterfeiting stocks they will pay out, bury it and change regulation so this can't happen again, anyone in on the investment should at worst break even if they are going long on other non-GME stock being shorted and or counterfeited.
 
I remember a thread on /pol/ where OP linked to some 'encoder-decoder' website and posted an image with the key in it. I think that would work much better for bot detection because bots wouldn't be able to use the website, and any trolls would not realise (at first, at least) that the thread was about finding bots. However, it wouldn't work well for detecting shills as they would just ignore the thread altogether. I didn't see too many bots in the thread, though. A few bots are to be expected, of course, as 4chan is ripe for bot abuse but otherwise I think a lot of derailment actually occurs because of trolls. Perhaps I am wrong.
are we gonna have to shit post via base 16 or rsa encrypted messages?
 
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Is Majestic Silver a good buy right now? Miners are pretty sensitive to physical prices, and I can see physical silver prices continuing to escalate as the current trend continues.
 
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The moment I realized OWS was fucked: when there was a literal neo-nazi hanging around the Zuccotti park and the media spin was: look at how wacky and diverse the protestors are! Such an obvious glowie, but I didn't know that term yet.
"Hello my fellow protesters! Let's do a crime!"

Classic tbh
 
I have a subscription to a private investing group and they’re all saying TLT and UUP calls are gonna be good bets to hedge risk if you think the market is gonna fucking implode, take that for what you will.

this subscription costs me hundreds a year so enjoy faggots, there’s a real sense of dread lingering in the air if the market is gonna go tits up just in time for another wave of corona Chan to buttfuck us all permanently and it’s sketching me out because these guys know their shit
Good info thanks.

The 10-Year yield is also good indicator on the direction of the market. When the big one comes, it's going to drop the bottom out of the debt market.

I personally know 2 long term vets that closed all positions and waiting with cash to see what shakes out.
 
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I have a subscription to a private investing group and they’re all saying TLT and UUP calls are gonna be good bets to hedge risk if you think the market is gonna fucking implode, take that for what you will.

this subscription costs me hundreds a year so enjoy faggots, there’s a real sense of dread lingering in the air if the market is gonna go tits up just in time for another wave of corona Chan to buttfuck us all permanently and it’s sketching me out because these guys know their shit
Dude I seen you in this thread for a few days now and all you do is try and scare people off from investing in shorted companies which benefit the hedgies fuck off dude.
 
This is just a side note but I think I found Ethan Ralph's co-host posting on /biz/. I'm being very 🌈 but I like to believe. Also the OP did a time stamp revealing his nose and he's fat.
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I would especially like to see stuff about this regarding twitter. I believe there are more bots on twitter posing as people than there are actual people.

Not that I'm discounting how bot-like NPCs can be.
Multiple studies have shown since 2016 that the majority of users on Twitter are actually bots. This one from 2018 is one of my favorites.
 
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