General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

Namesarehardtocomeupwith said:

Lulu had been determined to finish zelda for 2 days already, and today she came just short after a 8 hours stream.
She was so engrossed in the game that she only noticed it was already morning until kurea came into the chat to say good morning. It took a phone call from anehara to remind her that they're gonna hang out today and a lot of bargaining for her to actually stop.
As a bonus, since there's no time to prepare an end card today, you get to enjoy lulu headbanging to the bgm as the ending.

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She make the whiners casuals look like morons, embrace the grind, reject socialization
 
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Koe took a "which vtuber personality am I?" test. It looks interesting other than it screams phish to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZQu9Vh0Y0Y Hero Hei has a few more Vtweeter tweets for those interested.
 
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darkestraven said:
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Imagine getting so fucking worked up about a song. Also, at least try to be subtle that you're one of the TBA vtubers in question, litterly no other human being is going to react like this otherwise.
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Calli just anally obliterated thousands of idiots and leeches with a mere 3 minutes song, what the crap, she is making us look bad, we are supposed to be ones doing that

Edit: Noel got the goods from Lawson or was given to her

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Blatant hypocrite said:
"Give me six lines written by the most honest man in the world, and I will find enough in them to hang him." - seisofags, probably
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Cardinal Motherfucking Richelieu, actually. Overall, I agree with a lot of your sentiments.
At the end of the day they're idols, not gods.
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This was one of the funniest things I read all day.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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Jesus Christ. John 8:7.

Zaphkiel said:
True. A lot of people, me included, thought that the EN branch was gonna be a bunch of V-thots like Mel. Mousey, Nyanners etc.
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That includes me. The launch surprised me in quality but in the end, I was still saying, "Give it six months." I'm glad to have been proven wrong, to be honest.
If only the whole consumer side of the internet could come to a concensus of ignoring these VTweeters but the internet loves drama/meaningless rants and these jealous VTweeters are a really good source of it.
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Apathy toward consumer media is the most powerful weapon that can be wielded and nobody wields it. That's the problem. People get apathetic over the wrong things most of the time but lose their shit over what has become largely disposable media. Now, I enjoy hearing tales of the VTwitter-ENTuber scene imploding and the occasional catfight can be entertaining but on the whole, I find it one big giant yawn-fest. I have an incredibly low opinion of most of those assholes. You don't hear people flipping out about not wanting to watch paint dry.

(iIivVvbBb-iIimMmvVv) said:
It's confidence you're wary of, because confident people tend to not have anything to back it compared to real slayers.
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This is just plain-ass wisdom everyone should heed, regardless of whether or not we're discussing Vtubers.
Your asking for logic from a fringe community. Like I understand having high hopes for someone you take interest in, but the level of purity that is required of some fans (especially the JP community in certain regards) is absurd. The pendulum swings the other way too though. There are idiots that seem to require a level of lewdness or degeneracy to ensure they aren't the freak in the room. It's why you see the constant 'THEY'RE FUCKING' posts on the chans. No real proof, just a need. Not saying some of the girls aren't Bi/Les but the narratives I've seen are just so poorly presented.
And that is the most sensible of the information presented.
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The chans are a cesspool. Worse than Reddit. The JP scene when it comes to fandom borders on absolute psychic toxicity. It's like a miasma that infects your brain and it is actually encouraged by the industry while simultaneously the managers and agencies use their position to cuck the fanbase. I'm no feminist by a longshot but I'm not going to lie when I say the idol industry is run by absolute misogynistic chauvanists that use manipulation, sex, money, and empty promises to use idealistic young women as total pawns.

But if you think Japan's idol industry is bad, South Korea's is far worse.
darkestraven said:
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Imagine getting so fucking worked up about a song. Also, at least try to be subtle that you're one of the TBA vtubers in question, litterly no other human being is going to react like this otherwise.
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Okay, here's the thing...

I like rap. I'm not an expert, though but I think Karen is pretty good. A friend of mine is passionate about rap and he says that Calli is just "okay." He says she's got potential but needs a mentor really badly and she's not getting any real rap mentoring in Japan, it seems. She's just forging ahead and learning it all piecemeal and through trial-and-error. (He also said, though, that her ASMR is really good and he is also really passionate about that). But this chan poster is super-butthurt like crazy. You're right, either they're a TBA VTweeter-chuuba or one of those type's "fans."
 
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ThatDumbPhilosopher said:
Well they have so little time to spare because they are soooo busy working on their debut streams.

Just joking, they're way too occupied to circlejerk on 4chan and Twatter.
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TBA is the new Steam Early Access.
if you’re not able to get out of Early Access in 12 months, you shouldn’t be in Early Access. If you’re not ready to start streaming within 2 weeks, you shouldn’t be announcing your channel.
 
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Screw Danlon said:
Lulu’s sister is very cute.
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Extremely so.
But both her and Sephira ;; hardly ever reach even 500 concurrent viewers. Almost no clips to speak of. I blame their content span. Too narrow, too niche. Damn shame but from what I understand that's what they are contracted for.

Oftentimes being EOP is suffering.
 
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The One And Only SALTE said:
I only heard the song once (since I was actually streaming during its debut...you know, putting in work towards my dreams) so I'm not gonna deep-dive in it just yet but surface level she's saying that all her success is earned and she's waiting at the top for everyone else to get theirs. "Welcome to the Mountaintop" kind of implies that she's more than willing to share her throne and no one person can be someone else's idea of success. I have my own ideas of what success look like and I'm still working hard towards them. Staying motivated is difficult depending on the person but I echo Calli's sentiments pretty well. She has a lot of harsh words for the TBA crowd but she also views herself as an inspiration for other artists to get off their asses and start working to creating something they can be proud of. That's the gist of it, at least. The dissing is genuinely a moment of tough love since she can't outright call these people fucking posers (even though she probably really wants to, or maybe not since she's no longer than angry jealous bitch she was back from her early Dice days) but she definitely wants to see what they can do.

I get into slapfights with people over this in Discords all the fucking time. Opinion is very split but it generally comes down to the question of "What is content?" This is why I expand my idea of what it means to be a Vtuber content creator to more than just people streaming stuff, especially if they don't do it because they lack the tech to do so. Since I'm less of an active performer (even though I am working on getting better at it) and much prefer to write, it's stupidly difficult to even find a proper platform for amateur authors to post their work that isn't just filled to the brim with shitty fanfics written by teenagers. Artists have it somewhat easy since they can crosspost their work on like 10 different sites in order to gain to traction.

The bottom line is this: Calli wants to see more people produce content no matter what, and shitposting on Twitter does not count as content. Post all the memes and horny bullshit you want but don't you fucking dare call yourself a content creator if that is all you do. If you're a streamer, stream. If you're an artist, draw. If you're a musician, play. Do anything to make stuff that you can be proud of, that's really what she wants.

HOLY. SHIT.
I could just repost some shit I made on Twitter a while ago regarding this very thing and the whole idea of cost but I'm not gonna. I've been leaked already so people can find it if they fucking want but I'll truncate my original statement here and cater it to this bitch.

People who think that Vtubing has to be expensive have a very narrow mindset when it comes to this sort of shit. I know; I was one of those people.

Money is a shortcut for time and effort. I am not artistically or technologically inclined at all so I am definitely someone who would end up paying someone else to rig something for me. In fact, that's what I did. A guy I met in the Calli discord was an amateur model maker so I asked him if he could make me a vroid model to use for vtubing and for a very modest fee he did it. I am very happy with the work he did and the only time I would consider retiring my vroid is if I had some money saved up to get a proper Live2D since those things actually cost a pretty penny, usually about 500 bucks if you want a half decent rigging job, and you have to provide the model yourself on that one.

Now let me break down Miss TBA over here's bullshit point by point and explain why it's all a bunch of fucking excuses I see time and again.

"Pay for commissions"
If she's talking about a PNG...50 bucks. That's the average going rate for a full 2D model reference sheet. I didn't even have one of those made up, I just had a couple paragraphs to describe my character and gave it to the guy who made my avatar. Yes, just write your own shit and give it to someone who can transform it, or learn to draw your own fucking self. You don't need to commission shit if you draw it and are good at drawing. In fact, most of these arguments can be reduced to "learn to do it yourself, you lazy fuck" but for the sake of argument (and because I have personal experience in not making my own shit) I'll provide evidence of cost-effective alternatives.

"Pay for overlays"
There are plenty of free overlays you can find all over the fucking place if you know where to look. Even if you don't, you don't need a custom job. Streamlabs has a subscription service of like 15 bucks a month. Sub to them for a month, find an overlay you like, download all the assets and then unsub. Boom, 15 dollar overlay. If you can't spare 15 fucking dollars or like a half hour googling shit, then I don't know where to start with you. Fuck, some vtubers I really like don't use overlays at all; they have a prep screen and and end slide, but their main stream is literally just the game and the avatar.

"Pay for rig and model"
FUCKING USE YOUR PNG IN THE FREE DISCORD OVERLAY TO MAKE IT BOUNCE WHENEVER YOU TALK. I see plenty of PNGTubers who do that sort of shit, or they just have their PNG character bust sitting there not moving. People DO NOT GIVE A FUCK about your model if you have the personality of a wet fucking blanket. Look at our dear friend Artemis. He probably paid at least a thousand dollars for that impressively rigged model but that model does not save him from being boring as fuck.

"You need an already established job"
Alright, Miss TBA. You got me there. I'm gainfully employed and can afford nice things for myself on occasion if I save my money for said nice things. I guess you don't have a big girl job just yet so maybe you should bother mommy and daddy for some money so you can join in on a trend that you'll promptly forget about in 6 fucking months while people who want to put in the work will put in the work.

As much as I shit on this point in particular, it is true. Someone told me the average age of these Vtubers; from their observation, it's no older than mid twenties, which is why you see so many of these little shits broadcasting their activism instead of keeping it more low-key like a reasonable fucking person. Most of these vtubers are students or at least not employed in anything other than retail, which...well, that's just an unfortunate circumstance of the world right now in terms of job hunting but I won't get into commie bullshit right now, not the place or time for that. I know a few very talented independent voice actors who work for peanuts; hell, one voice actor I follow used to work at a fucking dollar store but he was still putting in time to get auditions out there and try to make a name for himself. Still, barring equipment I needed to stream in general (a decent PC and a microphone) all the assets for my Vtubing stuff cost me roughly 100 bucks at the end of the day. To a broke as fuck student that seems like a lot, but even then these stupid kids think that you need like a grand in order to get started. Honestly you're better off investing that money in a good PC FIRST and then worrying about all your vtubing assets. These chucklefucks also seem that they already know they're gonna like streaming and be cut out for it before they even try...which is really fucking dumb because it's like wasting money buying a 1200USD Stratocaster and then finding out you actually hate playing music once you hold the fucking thing for the first time.

"She has a company backing her up"

Yeah, NOW she does. Who the fuck do you think taught Karen how to rap? She learned it herself through hard work and making friends in the right communities; specifically it was K's who served as her first proper mentor in things like breath control and syllabic coherence. Even before that she had a passion for what she wanted to do and stuck to it, and that led her to try to make proper friends to help her along the way. Before the company, when she was just Demondice, no doubt she ended up paying a lot of people a lot of money in order to help her produce her albums. She has admitted to not knowing how to mix tracks which is where K's comes in once again; I have no doubt she paid him for his services, and her work with FAKE-TYPE was compensated in addition to her paying them for some production work on things like Alkatraz. I'm pretty sure this dumb cunt is ignorant that Calli has been through all this shit herself as an independent artist with her own proper skills being animation and lyric writing/performing. Everything else, she found people to help her with and paid them to do.

People like this seriously piss me the fuck off. They'll find every excuse in the world to not produce content yet still act as if they're a Vtuber.
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Obviously I agree with all this.

Also, I know some of y'all give Salte shit for going on spergy diatribes, or for "whiteknighting" Calli too much or whatever, and that one guy even spent time digging up Salte's Vtuber identity to try to...stunt on him, I guess? I still dunno what the point of that was.

But, fact of the matter is, at least he's doing something. Does he have an ocean of viewers and engagement? No, not yet, and probably not ever - but, once again, at least he's doing something.

gregeoryL said:
There are two types of people. Those who fail to understand Off With Their Heads and view it as a personal attack and those who view it as the call to action that it is.
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Exactly. I was getting frustrated with the amount of people crying about it, and COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY missing the point. It's not an attack, it's trying to light a fire under their asses. At least some people got the gist, good for them.

Tuuba said:
Civia is back. Debut soon

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She can fuck off. Eat shit, bug.

Blatant hypocrite said:
I am sick to death of these idiots all over 4chan and the like, spamming their shitty pastas/etc about Kiara is a whore, Ame is a communist, Calli is an alcoholic. Selfie with makeup? Whore. Retweeted a tranny? Must be a tranny-lover. Commented on the news? Must be a liberal. Wrote a love song? Must be fucking some dude on the side. Likes anime? Degenerate shut in, I bet she watches porn. Doesn't like anime? Insincere! Burn the witch, burn the grifter.
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I mean, so am I, but it's 4chan. That's the gimmick, hate everything and everyone all the time for any reason possible. I just can't be that edgy and hateful anymore, way past that point. Life's too short. But, that stuff is why I don't go to the 'chans, they find no enjoyment in anything and drag everything down. I don't wanna be surrounded by that negativity.
 
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Mister O. said:
But, fact of the matter is, at least he's doing something. Does he have an ocean of viewers and engagement? No, not yet, and probably not ever - but, once again, at least he's doing something.
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Credit where it's due. Dude even streamed while suffering from a brief bout with COVID.

Pre-debut TBAs have no excuse.
 
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darkestraven said:
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Imagine getting so fucking worked up about a song. Also, at least try to be subtle that you're one of the TBA vtubers in question, litterly no other human being is going to react like this otherwise.
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Hey, I didn't know Memegrey posts on the chans!

Seriously, Calli is very talented and worked hard. She also doesn't have that much of an ego. If she did, she wouldn't have broken down crying after getting monetization enabled and having a bunch of people suddenly throw money at her.

Also, that chucklefuck has no idea how bad Youtube is for discoverability. Like even after hearing Calli's music and then listening to Dice, I could tell she was very good from when she started uploading properly. The reason I had never heard of Demondice prior is because Youtube doesn't promote rap music to me ever. It didn't even promote Touhou remixes involving rap to me, otherwise I probably would have found her that way earlier. The fact that it was showing me metal covers and remixes when I was specifically looking for more metal meant that it was doing its job but it also means that it's not showing me every single kind of TH remix out there otherwise I would have discovered circles like Tamaonsen and later DDK. Discoverability on Youtube is shit which is why so many talented people have such low numbers all the time. Hell, I hadn't even heard of Senzawa until after Gura and discoverability was working in her favor for a long time.
 
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