Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Just to add to what @Cyril Sneer said about Lucas post-PT, he was actually setting the bulk of his sights on TV, not film. Star Wars Underworld was the next big project he wanted to spearhead simultaneously with TCW (with one show aimed at children, and another at adults). With the saga itself being finished, he was more inclined to tell "offshoot-stories" in the same universe.

It just never came about because, at the time it was announced, 2007-2009, producing a show with the kind of cinematic, breakthrough SFX that Lucas was striving for would be prohibitively expensive, so he decided to repeat his tactics from the late 80's and 90's and just let the technology catch up so it would be a much cheaper endeavor.

Unfortunately, the sale to Disney happened before it could ever materialize, so it only exists as story treatments by its initial showrunners like Ron D. Moore.

If this guy truly is Vong, then the whole point of the species is void if they can use The Force.
Also, this means nuking the EU became even more pointless and petty.

This. Even in the unlikelihood that they actually are utilizing the Vong in their shitty canon, it makes zero difference to me. If they lack the cultural history, brutalistic warrior culture, misguided religious fanaticism, and immunity from the Force, then they aren't the Yuuzhan Vong in anything but name and shallow licensing. They're imposters. Infidels. Brenzlit bar'o...timid little meat maggots, as the Vong would call them.

Not to mention that a good chunk of the Vong's appeal was that the species was full of memorable and intriguing characters (such as Tsavong Lah, Harrar, and Nen Yim)...something that the current hacks at LFL already struggle to do with fucking humans.

Also, if this does end up going through, just fucking watch as the Tard Media starts shitting out an influx of "10 Ways that Disney Fixed The Yuuzhan Vong" articles from the likes Gizmondo and Screenrant.

 

[Commander X]

 

[The Valeyard]

Since we are some what doom pilling what could happen with the HR...huh...I'm worried that they are either going to show a more of that purple Hutt or make Jabba into a coward since nu-sw is all about cheaping OT characters.

This guy?



He was seen as a derogatory stereotype from his first appearance in The Clone Wars movie, so I doubt that they will want to revisit this character.

Ziro the Hutt, a new character introduced specifically for the upcoming animated series, is a gay stereotype that makes what Jar Jar Binks represented to the island of Jamaica look subtle by comparison.

http://www.mtv.com/news/2430499/is-ziro-the-hutt-the-first-gay-alien-in-star-wars-history/ (Archive)

 

[Cactuar King]

This guy?

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He was seen as a derogatory stereotype from his first appearance in The Clone Wars movie, so I doubt that they will want to revisit this character.



http://www.mtv.com/news/2430499/is-ziro-the-hutt-the-first-gay-alien-in-star-wars-history/ (Archive)

"First gay alien"? Nope.

 

[Creep3r]

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Its been happening with SW: High Republic's community too. If its not suspiciously corporate-approved shilling, its claims that all the dislikes and criticism HR has been receiving is from the alt-right terrorists... yes because that is the top issue on "terrorist" and right wingers lists, the sabotage of a mediocre multimedia project.

Some are even comparing Star Wars Theory to FOX News for "spreading fake news" despite that he's done nothing but shill for Disney until Hidalgo bashed his ass and swaths of articles started mocking SWT for "playing victim" or crying over CGILuke, while Disney, the MSM and Hamill defended that wart face last year when he broke down crying for IX.

SWT was one of Disney's biggest cucks and shills who stood by them and the fanbase no matter what while avoiding politics and being a dedicated fence sitter, even when Disney tried to legally fuck him over. Now all that supposed loyalty he thought he had garnered turned out to be a lie and now he's forced to do streams with the "Fandom Menace" he often refused to associate with due to "toxicity".

This guy?

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He was seen as a derogatory stereotype from his first appearance in The Clone Wars movie, so I doubt that they will want to revisit this character.



http://www.mtv.com/news/2430499/is-ziro-the-hutt-the-first-gay-alien-in-star-wars-history/ (Archive)

The amount of people that got triggered over Ziro was ridiculous, especially when considering that Hutts are hermaphrodites and one of the few minor lore elements in that pilot movie. But whatever. But I think what Sui means is that they'll just make Jabba himself a loser during High Republic, since he's technically alive then unless they retcon his age.

I already expect retcons out the wazoo for HR, considering the books apparently don't even maintain consistency with each other, what with characters changing genders with each book... then again that might be intentional.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

If Jeremy is OAN, and SWT is Fox News, does that make Doomcock the equivalent of InfoWars?

 

[The Valeyard]

If Jeremy is OAN, and SWT is Fox News, does that make Doomcock the equivalent of InfoWars?

"What a bunch of garbage, Kennedy, Filoni, Favreau, it's all there to control you, two sides of the same coin! Two management teams, bidding for control of the CEO job of Slavery Incorporated!"

Is something that Doomcuck might say if he didn't believe that there is a civil war within Lucasfilm.

 

[Ghostse]

Although I have my grievances with the prequels, despite recognizing the good and creativity in them, I try not to bash them too much since that always leads to attracting Disney drones, but regardless, I think the films would've been better received by the general masses if TPM had started with Kenobi and Anakin from the get go on the trade federation ship with Qui Gonn accompanying them for backup while also checking out how his old apprentice was coming along (in order to preserve Duel of Fates which was probably the most well received part of the film), allowing for less focus on Anakin's more vulnerable flaws and thus preserving his image in the masses while also avoiding some awkward child acting and romance, because at the end of the day, I remember more hate for Anakin's portrayal than anything else in the prequels, and others telling me that slight changes would've done wonders. Do I fully agree with these sentiments? Well I'm mixed and I do think the story should've focused more on an older Anakin, but then again I'm open to compromises like that. The only downside would be the loss of the Podrace scene, which while often criticized for being pointless filler, is honestly one of the more memorable instances in the film for me (along with Duel of Fates) since it shows what is essentially a day in the life in the rest of the galaxy via some dazzling special effects, but I digress. As for Lucas' shortcomings, whether they be greed or ego, there were quite clearly a lot of missed opportunities, most especially the opportunity to produce even more animated material after the success of Genndy Wars, especially when he had easier access to cheaper Korean and Japanese animation studios than in the 80s, but ego and greed tended to play a part in that I guess, and it seems that he only gained an interest in making sequels after Filoni Wars' ridiculous budget practically drained Lucasfilm. Which is why I can't stress enough that CGI shows were a mistake, especially when they're so expensive to produce with current limitations. What is clear though is that Lucas got an unwarranted amount of hate and character assassination back in the day to the point where some even wanted him dead which was retarded, but what really seemed upsetting was the media's constant attempts to demonize him as an idiot, a bigot or even a swindler, especially in the heart of Hollywood. It was obvious the various Hollywood guilds had it out for him, especially the Director's guild, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were in an active campaign to ruin the man simply because he didn't conform to their wants.

I've posted before: TPM should have been a TV mini series that had time to explain all the shit going down.
A punchier AOTC should have been Episode 1, episode 2 should have been a climatic portion of the Clone Wars that foreshadowed Anakin's fall & Palpatine's machinations, and Episode 3 should have been the birth of the Empire and Vader; How the Republic became the Empire and how Anakin Skywalker became Vader.

I respect the Prequels for what they were -
I can think the entire Tattoonie segment of the film (awkward romance aside) was actually a really good sequence, and the Pod Race itself was fun and exciting, but at the same time I can also acknowledge that it really broke the stride of an already unevenly paced film and the film over all would have been better if we hadn't taken what feels like superfluous & lengthy detour.

My issue was less with us seeing Vader as an autistic 9 year old boy and more with wondering why the hell we are devoting an entire third of a trilogy to it.

To be fair, the process of making the two trilogies was not, by all accounts, an easy one in either case, as @Admiral Mantoid and @Mississippi Motorboater have related. Sounds like the sort of ordeal (particularly having to fight the Hollywood system at every turn to make the Prequels) that one would want to take a long break from afterwards.

Again, logically, I'm not faulting him for taking a step back. Hell, after almost a decade on a single trilogy, I'm not faulting Harrison Ford for trying to convince Lucas to kill off Solo in ROTJ.

I DO fault Lucas for not giving us something other than the Holiday Special with the OG cast. He didn't want to pull attention away from the PT and felt betrayed by the fans after the PT's got a lot of negative reaction, so I can see why he didn't. But he could have given us something.
Hell, give us Shadows of the Empire the animated series.

I think another thing to consider is that, to fans.... Hamil is Luke, Ford is Solo, Fisher is Leia and there is no other way it can be. You can't recast Luke (except to a weird digital doppleganger) - that is who Luke is to fans.
But to Lucas, Luke is a character who was just played by Hamil. Lucas had a character in his head, and Hamil was the person he found at that time who was closest to the character in his head. This is why there's no issue in Lucas' mind about editing out Sebastian Shaw from ROTJ - that was never Anakin, that was just the closest he could find at the time.

 

[The Last Boyscout]

This guy?

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He was seen as a derogatory stereotype from his first appearance in The Clone Wars movie, so I doubt that they will want to revisit this character.



http://www.mtv.com/news/2430499/is-ziro-the-hutt-the-first-gay-alien-in-star-wars-history/ (Archive)

Yea, when there's lolcows like Jim Sterling whose physicality resembled him even before their transition, let alone after, I'm p sure characters like this would hit a bit too close to home nowadays lol.

 

[Screamer]

I've posted before: TPM should have been a TV mini series that had time to explain all the shit going down.
A punchier AOTC should have been Episode 1, episode 2 should have been a climatic portion of the Clone Wars that foreshadowed Anakin's fall & Palpatine's machinations, and Episode 3 should have been the birth of the Empire and Vader; How the Republic became the Empire and how Anakin Skywalker became Vader.

I respect the Prequels for what they were -
I can think the entire Tattoonie segment of the film (awkward romance aside) was actually a really good sequence, and the Pod Race itself was fun and exciting, but at the same time I can also acknowledge that it really broke the stride of an already unevenly paced film and the film over all would have been better if we hadn't taken what feels like superfluous & lengthy detour.

My issue was less with us seeing Vader as an autistic 9 year old boy and more with wondering why the hell we are devoting an entire third of a trilogy to it.

I was thinking about this a while ago. I think when he was planing the sequels, George realised something they didn't understand with the sequels. You need to lay some groundwork for your story to unfold.

ANH was made as a one-off film. Sure George had ideas outside it, but it was made to work as a one-off. I bet when he was planning the prequels, he found it wasn't working just jumping into the ATOC time of the story. He wanted to set things up prior to that. His story required a longer span of Anakin's life than as a 20 something. He probably struggled with a film that takes place over 10 years. How that fits with his serial style of Star Wars. Then at some point went fuck it, decided the whole first film needs to be a younger Anakin. Where it itself is made like a one-off film.

Sacrificed making three films of adult Anakin's downfall. What did he do after the films? Makes a TV show set between the two last films.

The exact reason the sequels don't work is we're going in blind and nothing is set up. It is even worse because there's no real linkage to where we last saw the story. The sequels have to fall over themselves to try and explain what has gone on in the past. It's not an issue you get with the original trilogies.

 

[Miller]

He was seen as a derogatory stereotype from his first appearance in The Clone Wars movie, so I doubt that they will want to revisit this character.


http://www.mtv.com/news/2430499/is-ziro-the-hutt-the-first-gay-alien-in-star-wars-history/ (Archive)

Wait, how could Ziro be gay? Didn't he have a girlfriend? (that singer from Jabba's Palace)

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

This guy?

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He was seen as a derogatory stereotype from his first appearance in The Clone Wars movie, so I doubt that they will want to revisit this character.



http://www.mtv.com/news/2430499/is-ziro-the-hutt-the-first-gay-alien-in-star-wars-history/ (Archive)

How is a Hutt gay? They are hermaphrodites and reproduce asexually!
The Hutts could be the poster child for trannies in Star Wars because they are "gender fluid."

 

[Kulee Baba]

Wait, how could Ziro be gay? Didn't he have a girlfriend? (that singer from Jabba's Palace)

Also there's no way Ziro is the "First Gay" of Star Wars. Juhani in 2003's KOTOR is a carpet muncher. Unless we're going by the metric that only men can be defined as "gay" which is utterly stupid.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Wait, how could Ziro be gay? Didn't he have a girlfriend? (that singer from Jabba's Palace)

Ziro would count as straight since he identifies as a man and has a girlfriend.

 

[The Valeyard]

How is a Hutt gay? They are hermaphrodites and reproduce asexually!
The Hutts could be the poster child for trannies in Star Wars because they are "gender fluid."

This no longer applies after Disney took over and created the Story Group.

(Pablo) Hidalgo says that some facts have been hard to settle on — for example, Death Star sizes. But with the new canon, and a clean slate, it’s easier. Also, Hutts now have single sexes. (Jabba is definitely a dude.)

Also there's no way Ziro is the "First Gay" of Star Wars. Juhani in 2003's KOTOR is a carpet muncher. Unless we're going by the metric that only men can be defined as "gay" which is utterly stupid.

You're right, but I wouldn't expect a writer for MTV to be knowledgeable about an optional party member in one of the video games.

 

[White Devil]

How is a Hutt gay? They are hermaphrodites and reproduce asexually!
The Hutts could be the poster child for trannies in Star Wars because they are "gender fluid."

I guess it's because most troons look like Hutts.

 

[draggs]

Leave my herm Hutts alone god damn you

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I'm ready to see Fennec on the new animated show. Wish it was traditional animation tho...

Mandolorian got a golden globe nom

 

[Creep3r]

This no longer applies after Disney took over and created the Story Group.




You're right, but I wouldn't expect a writer for MTV to be knowledgeable about an optional party member in one of the video games.

I remember either Matt "Porgcuck" or Hidalgo responding to this further on Twitter years ago by claiming that they changed it to avoid offending the BBQ community. If anything Hutts were pretty much a good parallel for troons. Gross, self-entitled, selfish, mostly fat and switched genders on a whim, only difference was Hutts had both bits naturally instead of through mutilation and they could have babies on their own. Art imitates life as they say.

Also if we're going to count the first lgbtbbq aliens in SW that's not Jabba, the first would be the Berrites and the Mshinn from back in 1995.

Berrites were ugly as sin fatties based on a rejected Jabba concept art that would switch genders on a whim if they thought the sex appeal would get them what they want.

Essentially that one Tripping the Rift character.

And the Mshinn were a race of moss-covered lesbians and colonizers that no longer had men but could now produce babies without them.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

We can't necessarily call Hutts trannies when trannies by definition mutilate themselves to become the other sex, whereas Hutts naturally can be either gender. They're hermaphrodites, not transsexuals.