Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

The Revan book's segments with Canderous and Revan are actually pretty kino, and the rest isn't too terrible either
The book's worst sin is picking a canon sex/race/name for the two main KOTOR characters

I don't mind that. Has to happen. I'm more cheesed they foreclosed any KOTOR III for a cash grab.

The first third of the book is kino. The rest not so much.

The TOR books are all hit or miss. Drew Kapwhatever is usually a safe bet though. Yes I know he wrote Revan.
 
don't forget that Lucas had 15 fucking years pre-episode one, and a further 13 years before he sold to the Rat, to give us something besides the Holiday Special with the original cast, with the bonus they'd have been young enough they weren't eating at the Golden Seniors buffet, and did not do this out of greed.
When the prequels were announced I didn't get why he bothered going to the past when the OT actors were not getting any younger, and when the only story that seemed worth continuing was how Luke applied the knowledge he learned. Certainly not going back and retelling what was already given in little mentions here and there in the OT.

But then I realized it's cause Vader was far and away the most popular character, to everyone who has since realized they didn't need to see him at 9 or 16.
 
Weird thing is those aren't even robotic, its just some garbage he taped together and moved around with the Force. Which again feels like something that's too complex and spiritually advanced for someone like Maul, with telekinesis like that feeling like something more suited to an artistically minded Force user, but whatever. Would've made more sense if it was an actual machine he made for himself since he was tech savvy.


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As for Maul's lack of necessary organs, it would've made more sense if he were a Force zombie like Sion then, who was effectively undead, or a cyborg like Vader. But Maul is shown to be very much alive and keeping his body going to the point where he's still growing horns and nails while still needing to eat. Some like to tell me the spider half is what's keeping him alive through "advanced tech", but that's just a pile crap he put together. I'm not even sure why they didn't let Maul build an actual robotic half for himself. The guy was shown to be skilled in tech and even constructed weapons, gadgets and droids to suit his ends. So they could've had it so that maybe he was keeping himself alive long enough in Naboo that he found his way into a droid depot or something and redesigned one of them to offer a life support system. But afaik, Disney lore just has him falling into acidic piss while his legs burn up and he gets dumped on the garbage planet and that's that.
Because they just wanted Maul to be THAT edgy with the rage powered life.

Again, they probably should've just had him back as a clone or just as a robocop like cyborg where no, he was dead and then brought back, basically as a zombie if they really wanted to bring him back. I say this because no... a bissection that slices your biggest vein and artery open will fucking kill you fast, and he fell for a while too. I don't care what force powers you have or rage or even being modified for combat; bloodloss and organloss don't care about that shit.
 
2: Some are trying to get a sequel trilogy hashtag going in protest of the lack of sequel toys in Hasbro's latest release.

Bwa haaa haa haa ha ha! Good luck, suckers. Hasbro wants to sell toys, you dumb asses. If you want sequel toys, go to Ollie's. Or Five Below. Or Tuesday Morning. Or Big Lots. They are still plentiful.
 
Bwa haaa haa haa ha ha! Good luck, suckers. Hasbro wants to sell toys, you dumb asses. If you want sequel toys, go to Ollie's. Or Five Below. Or Tuesday Morning. Or Big Lots. They are still plentiful.

you know what would have really helped sell sequel toys?

if the characters ever actually changed their outfits throughout the whole thing.

even soyboys can only buy so many duplicates of rey, poe, fin, kylo and phasma.
 
If you're invested in the Revan character, you'll hate SWTOR's treatment of him, especially the Revan novel. But if you're not that invested (or you have your own headcannon on Revan that isn't what the SWTOR writers made) then SWTOR as a whole isn't so bad.
I never really had an obsession with Revan as a character, so I think I'll be good. A lot of my favorite characters are the supporting cast and villains from KOTOR II.

And maybe Star Wars fans get particular about what era or what kind of EU books they like. I personally LOVED The Vong as they were a much needed breath of fresh air for Star Wars, and their threat also forced an alliance between the New Republic and what was left of the Imperial Forces to form an alliance which, again, was a breath of fresh air.
You're preaching to the choir, my dude. The Vong were and still are my favorite alien species in Star Wars.

The book isn't bad, at least not for me, but the more glaring and obvious problems though show themselves when they try to cement the Exile's character and history, resulting in even more inconsistencies that don't match up with what can happen, and even some with Revan.
I heard that canonizing the Exile as female actually created continuity or lore inconsistencies. I haven't really looked into it, but what does it change, exactly?

2: Some are trying to get a sequel trilogy hashtag going in protest of the lack of sequel toys in Hasbro's latest release.
Pray tell, what was the hashtag, so that I may revel in the salty tears of neglected Disney Drones?
 
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I never really had an obsession with Revan as a character, so I think I'll be good. A lot of my favorite characters are the supporting cast and villains from KOTOR II.
They do not show up at all. The most I remember is the Smuggler SWTOR storyline where you can help a Sith woman get Darth Nihilus' holocron.
I heard that canonizing the Exile as female actually created continuity or lore inconsistencies. I haven't really looked into it, but what does it change, exactly?
They still had the Handmaiden as canonically joining the Exile, even though Handmaiden only joins the male Exile and stays behind on Telos if the Exile is female.
Pray tell, what was the hashtag, so that I may revel in the salty tears of neglected Disney Drones?
They're salty because their weird fetishistic Reylo shit isn't coming in from the new toys.
 
When the prequels were announced I didn't get why he bothered going to the past when the OT actors were not getting any younger, and when the only story that seemed worth continuing was how Luke applied the knowledge he learned. Certainly not going back and retelling what was already given in little mentions here and there in the OT.

But then I realized it's cause Vader was far and away the most popular character, to everyone who has since realized they didn't need to see him at 9 or 16.

Once I started to get older and understand some things - basically once I fully grasped that Watterson was right about The Noodle Incident - I realized that we didn't need Vader's life story or to see what the Clone Wars were, because it wouldn't live up the potential in everyone's imagination.

But I don't in the least fault Lucas for wanting to do something Non-Star Wars, and non-OG Cast for a while. (Especially since Carrie Fisher admits she was a coked-out mess for most of it, and Ford's career was taking off and it was hard to get him in for ROTJ let alone another 3 films/10 years. To say nothing of changing cinema as things shifted to the 'summer action blockbuster')
I don't think wanting to do Episode 1-3 and then do 7-9 was on its own bad either. (The timing of doing it with an aging OT cast however....)

I just take issue with people letting Lucas off scott-free when he had 25 years that he could have delivered on what Disney didn't, and its pretty clear a large portion of reason why he didn't was greed and ego.
 
Once I started to get older and understand some things - basically once I fully grasped that Watterson was right about The Noodle Incident - I realized that we didn't need Vader's life story or to see what the Clone Wars were, because it wouldn't live up the potential in everyone's imagination.

But I don't in the least fault Lucas for wanting to do something Non-Star Wars, and non-OG Cast for a while. (Especially since Carrie Fisher admits she was a coked-out mess for most of it, and Ford's career was taking off and it was hard to get him in for ROTJ let alone another 3 films/10 years. To say nothing of changing cinema as things shifted to the 'summer action blockbuster')
I don't think wanting to do Episode 1-3 and then do 7-9 was on its own bad either. (The timing of doing it with an aging OT cast however....)

I just take issue with people letting Lucas off scott-free when he had 25 years that he could have delivered on what Disney didn't, and its pretty clear a large portion of reason why he didn't was greed and ego.
That, or he was just tired as fuck after Episode 3. I'd be tired, too. Besides, things like the Thrawn trilogy and the Jedi Knight games were there for those who wanted a continuation of the story. So I really didn't feel a need for an Episode 7 when there were already sequel stories to the OT, and some stories like KOTOR which can even compete with the OT for writing quality.
 
As I posted before:
While it is good and right to blame Disney and JarJar for turning all the OT into a bunch of losers who watched their dreams crumble to dust before their eyes, don't forget that Lucas had 15 fucking years pre-episode one, and a further 13 years before he sold to the Rat, to give us something besides the Holiday Special with the original cast, with the bonus they'd have been young enough they weren't eating at the Golden Seniors buffet, and did not do this out of greed.

Timeline:
- Kenner rakes Lucas over the coals on toy royalties as long as they give him $10,000 in continuence.
- After ROTJ, Lucas decides to 'cool the franchise'.
- Kenner is bought by Hasbro and in 1997, Kenner (now Hasbro) neglects to send the check, their sweetheart licensing deal on Starwars Toys expires
- 1999 the Phantom Menace comes out, with Habro needing to fight Mattel for the toy license, letting Lucas keep a greater cut of the merch

(Which to be clear: I don't think taking a break from Star Wars movies break was a bad idea (though he put out Ewoks movies which I believe were exempt from the Kenner license), and I don't think it was wrong for him to spent time with his kids given he'd spent about a decade shooting the films.... the minute the license deal is expired by negligence on the part of hasbro is the minute he decides its time to make movies again)
I'm sure there's ample cause to accuse Lucas of acting on greed in some (maybe a lot of) instances, but do the dates really line up here? Supposedly, he began work on the first draft of the script for The Phantom Menace back in 1994, a year before Hasbro's first "Power of the Force 2" figures hit shelves, so he was, apparently, already committed to making the Prequels several years before Hasbro fucked up his royalty payments. 🤔

TORtanic still remains the only video game I've played where the fucking beta had more content and was more fun than the actual launch product. That game was such a fucking disaster and making it a WoW themepark clone did no favors for it. The new-ness of fully voice acted quest givers wore off after first play through and after that you're just spacebarring though it all anyway so that was a huge waste of money. The customization for your character in a world as expansive as Star Wars was shitty, lightsaber nerf bats AGAIN, stupid romance subplots, etc.

To this day, the only game I regret preordering as much as TORtanic is MechWarrior Online so that ought to tell you just how bad both of them are. How could you have trailers for a game be so goddamn awesome and epic and yet the game itself be so milquetoast and disappointing?
That's interesting. I started playing the game just after Christmas (which, incidentally, is why I dropped off the face of the Earth again) and I actually found it it to be pretty engaging (though not unflawed) so I'm curious, how was the beta different the game's state post-launch? I've heard that the developers started wasting a lot of updates implementing those all-important same-sex flirting instances for various characters, and now apparently are more concerned with creating new costumes to milk their established set of whales than creating new content or fixing old content (there's apparently a certain mailbox that has been facing backwards for a full decade now, and the disparity between the original character models and the newer, more detailed ones for Valcorian and Arcann is pretty jarring). Anything else I should be aware of? 🤔

Revan is probably the weakest of the Old Republic books, but its also written as kind of a companion piece to the KOTOR games, so it covers the events between the games. If it feels incomplete, that's why. But the rest of them though (Darth Bane, Deceived, Annihilation, etc) are quite f'ing good. Generally, I find the Old Republic material for Star Wars to be pretty good. Its an Era of the Star Wars timeline that is ripe for material and (thankfully) hasn't been made into a shitty movie to ruin it for me.
I think Kathleen Kennedy and her clique would have a collective aneurysm if they tried to play through TOR. The ambiguous, nebulous and morally-conflicted atmosphere of the main campaign is so far removed from the starkly black and white (and yet white and black when convenient) SJW ideology now reigning at Lucasfilm that I can only imagine heads spontaneously exploding if Kennedy's current "story group" were to be exposed to it.

And maybe Star Wars fans get particular about what era or what kind of EU books they like. I personally LOVED The Vong as they were a much needed breath of fresh air for Star Wars, and their threat also forced an alliance between the New Republic and what was left of the Imperial Forces to form an alliance which, again, was a breath of fresh air.
Brother! 😁

The Revan book's segments with Canderous and Revan are actually pretty kino, and the rest isn't too terrible either
The whole "two buddies on a road-trip" plot with Revan and Canderous searching for Mandalore's mask is great, and the glimpses of where the Mandalorians are at, mentally and emotionally, in the immediate aftermath of the war are definitely worth the read, at least if your thoughts on the Mandos as a distinct faction within the GFFA ascend to a level of greater sophistication than "hurrr-durr Spaes Vikings/Mongols". 😛

The book's worst sin is picking a canon sex/race/name for the two main KOTOR characters
I think that was going to be inevitable, though, simply due to the in-universe historical significance of Revan and the Exile. I mean, it's one thing to talk about "a group of spacers" achieving some quest from Star Wars Galaxies, but forever referring to galaxy-shaking figures like Revan in sexless terms is asking a lot of authors, and would make for some really awkward prose.

Like I said before, there's a reason for that:

And I'm not talking about Flesh Eaters.
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The Flesh Raiders were simply the devolved forms of the mutant warrior caste rather than the fate for all Rakata. The Ongree (another bunch of ugly stalk-eyed amphibians) also shared a genetic history with the Rakata according to earlier entries of SE.
I thought that it was supposed to be the other way around, though, according to Supernatural Encounters: The Trial and Transformation of Arhul Hextrophon. 🤔

Regardless, that doesn't really excuse the Rakata for being so conceptually dull (it really says something that their most infamous creation is basically a big, blank white room in the middle of nowhere/nothing).

I mean, here you have a bunch of Rakata starfighters, which are basically just smaller versions of their capital ships, which are themselves basically smaller versions of the Star Forge oriented horizontally rather than vertically:

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It's like an entire civilization based off of Matryoshka dolls. 😂

This in a nutshell. The book isn't bad, at least not for me, but the more glaring and obvious problems though show themselves when they try to cement the Exile's character and history, resulting in even more inconsistencies that don't match up with what can happen, and even some with Revan. Also as much as I didn't mind Revan's changes compared to the Exile's, he was in a way a very personal character for a lot of fans, a self-insert, like say Fallout's Vault Dwellers for comparison among many other RPG characters, so naturally seeing him be completely different or only slightly similar to how you played him is gonna put people off no matter what, and it wasn't probably for the best. The first half of the book is lit at least.
To be fair, though, KOTOR II isn't even 100% consistent with its predecessor (Canderous, as I've previously noted, gives different accounts of the Battle of Malachor V in each game that don't really line up with each other at all), so it's not like the retconning started with the Revan novel. Mind you, I still think the whole idea of the planet-eating Immortal Sith Emperor is absolutely terrible, just because of how it diminishes Palpatine as evil top-dog in the history of the GFFA.

you know what would have really helped sell sequel toys?

if the characters ever actually changed their outfits throughout the whole thing.

even soyboys can only buy so many duplicates of rey, poe, fin, kylo and phasma.
The costume design for the Soy Wars sequels in general was just garbage. Oddly, most of the outfits created for Disney projects set in and around the OT (Mando, Solo, Rogue Uno) have been much more "Star Wars" looking and just more aesthetically pleasing on the whole. 🤔

I never really had an obsession with Revan as a character, so I think I'll be good. A lot of my favorite characters are the supporting cast and villains from KOTOR II.
Yeah, I've always thought that Revan was the weakest part of the KOTOR setting (well, Revan and the Exile, and that whole "wound in the Force" concept).
 
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That, or he was just tired as fuck after Episode 3. I'd be tired, too. Besides, things like the Thrawn trilogy and the Jedi Lnight games were there for those who wanted a continuation of the story. So I really didn't feel a need for an Episode 7 when there were already sequel stories to the OT, and some stories like KOTOR which can even compete with the OT for writing quality.

After Ep. 3, I think you'd be hard pressed to do a theatrical movie, let alone a trilogy, with the OG cast; they weren't as geriatric as we got, but we all remember Indiana Jones 4. (Haha, no we don't. Alcohol and a power drill took care of that)

Just some kind of transitionary media. A New Republic mini-series, a TV movie. Something.
But Lucas was beyond the OT, and his ego was seriously bruised by the PT's reception, so he was not in the mood do something for long term fans. I get it. Its petty, understandable yes, but still petty.

I'm sure there's ample cause to accuse Lucas of acting on greed in some (maybe a lot of) instances, but do the dates really line up here? Supposedly, he began work on the first draft of the script for The Phantom Menace back in 1994, a year before Hasbro's first "Power of the Force 2" figures hit shelves, so he was, apparently, already committed to making the Prequels several years before Hasbro fucked up his royalty payments. 🤔

He announced he was considering new films, but hadn't made any real strides until Kenner/Hasbro fucked up and he stood to make 10% more action figure revenue. Throughout Shadows of the Empire, he was also trying to skirt the deal with Kenner, like giving Galoob the Star Wars micromachines license (since they were play sets and not action figures).

And of course he had a draft worked on in '94. Nigga was like that guy from the Twilight Zone who was hounded by the jawa things. He couldn't not be writing.
 
The whole "two buddies on a road-trip" plot with Revan and Canderous searching for Mandalore's mask is great, and the glimpses of where the Mandalorians are at, mentally and emotionally, in the immediate aftermath of the war are definitely worth the read, at least if your thoughts on the Mandos as a distinct faction within the GFFA ascend to a level of greater sophistication than "hurrr-durr Spaes Vikings/Mongols". 😛
Space Vikings and Space Mongols made much more sense for the Mandos than Space Celts. At least the former two fit the profile of a warrior race that did a lot of conquering to the point where the Jedi and the Republic had to step in and stop them.
I think that was going to be inevitable, though, simply due to the in-universe historical significance of Revan and the Exile. I mean, it's one thing to talk about "a group of spacers" achieving some quest from Star Wars Galaxies, but forever referring to galaxy-shaking figures like Revan in sexless terms is asking a lot of authors, and would make for some really awkward prose.
Revan was already stated to be canonically male after KOTOR came out. Most SW games canonically pick light side male when it comes to customizable player characters at the time, like how Jaden Korr from Jedi Academy was canonically a male, light-sided Jedi. For them to make the Exile female was a change of pace.
Regardless, that doesn't really excuse the Rakata for being so conceptually dull (it really says something that their most infamous creation is basically a big, blank white room in the middle of nowhere/nothing).

I mean, here you have a bunch of Rakata starfighters, which are basically just smaller versions of their capital ships, which are themselves basically smaller versions of the Star Forge oriented horizontally rather than vertically:

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It's like an entire civilization based off of Matryoshka dolls. 😂
The Rakatan designs weren't really that bad. It just showed that their design of the Star Forge didn't come out of nowhere, it was based on their own design mentalities. Also, their designs for the starfighters and capital ships came long after KOTOR came out. They were made not by the people who originally wrote KOTOR, but from comic writers who came in long after. (KOTOR lore suggested that the design for the Sith fighters in that game was Rakatan, since it was described as an alien design)
To be fair, though, KOTOR II isn't even 100% consistent with its predecessor (Canderous, as I've previously noted, gives different accounts of the Battle of Malachor V in each game that don't really line up with each other at all), so it's not like the retconning started with the Revan novel. Mind you, I still think the whole idea of the planet-eating Immortal Sith Emperor is absolutely terrible, just because of how it diminishes Palpatine as evil top-dog in the history of the GFFA.
How do they not match up? Canderous' tale pretty much goes the same. The Jedi and the Mandalorians had this big fight, the Mandos lost, but they took down a shit ton of Republic troops before finally going down.

Palpatine was never the top dog outside of the movies. I mean, in Dark Empire, the one work where Palpatine is at his full power, when he "commands" the spirits of the dead Sith Lords to help him heal his last clone body that got hit by a virus, their reaction is "LOL NO, GO FUCK YOURSELF" before sending him on a suicide mission to Onderon where he finally got killed by Luke, Han, and some Jedi survivor of Order 66. The Ancient Sith never saw Palpatine as the evil top dog. To them, he's some jackass who managed to take control of the galaxy, and managed to lose it in mere decades, while they ruled their domains for centuries.

The idea of the Sith Emperor being a galaxy-devouring monster is just the next logical step after KOTOR 1 and 2. KOTOR 1 gave you a Sith Lord who had an infinite fleet and who was siphoning life from Jedi. KOTOR 2 gave you a Sith Lord who was siphoning life from whole planets and was using his Force powers to wrench starships out of gravity wells and keep his ship afloat. So it only makes sense that the closest thing to KOTOR 3 would introduce a galaxy-devouring Sith, especially since Tales of the Jedi already introduced Sith who can destroy star systems. And of course, this stuff had its source from the movies as well, since Vader highlights how destroying a planet is INSIGNIFICANT next to the power of the Force, so you can't say that this doesn't match G-canon when the second biggest authority on the Dark Side in the movies openly stated that the Death Star is insignificant when compared to the Force.

The only problem with the Sith Emperor is the writing. Just making him a selfish asshat made him cliche and pointless. Darth Malak's mind was being devoured by the Star Forge, just like the Rakatans were, and it was encouraging him to go on endless conquests. Darth Nihilus was siphoning life energies from whole worlds and eradicating the Jedi with his hands tied behind his back, while inside, he was basically a Dark Side crack addict whose addiction to siphoning power was destroying him.

It would have been better if the Sith Emperor had an ulterior motive, like say, he ruled over the Sith and originally just wanted revenge, but like Darth Traya, he got tired of the constant battle between Light and Dark, since even if he did defeat the Republic and the Jedi, the Light Side would choose another champion and rise again to destroy everything he accomplished. I would then write that he sought to destroy the galaxy so that said endless conflict can come to an end, while at the same time, he'd be empowered by it. He'd see it as a win-win, since the people of the galaxy would become one with the Force and find peace, while he gets to become all-powerful and go off exploring other galaxies.
Yeah, I've always thought that Revan was the weakest part of the KOTOR setting (well, Revan and the Exile, and that whole "wound in the Force" concept).
The opposite could not be more true. Revan is half the fun of the KOTOR setting. This character, which was a mish-mash of Thrawn, Luke/Anakin Skywalker, and Palpatine is probably the biggest contribution of the KOTOR setting to the SW lore as a whole. And the Exile being a wound in the Force isn't such a bad concept either, showing the stress that overwhelming war and death can have on a Force-sensitive, and how that can change them for better or worse. Having the Exile be the crucible that created Darth Nihilus was an appropriate plot point, that all the death and carnage she caused created a monster that only she can destroy.

As Lucas would say, "it's like poetry, it rhymes."
 
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After Ep. 3, I think you'd be hard pressed to do a theatrical movie, let alone a trilogy, with the OG cast; they weren't as geriatric as we got, but we all remember Indiana Jones 4. (Haha, no we don't. Alcohol and a power drill took care of that)

Just some kind of transitionary media. A New Republic mini-series, a TV movie. Something.
But Lucas was beyond the OT, and his ego was seriously bruised by the PT's reception, so he was not in the mood do something for long term fans. I get it. Its petty, understandable yes, but still petty.
Alcohol and a power drill? Many people I know would have gone for Jack Daniels and a jackhammer.

Well, that's what the novels and audio dramas were for. That, and video games are always better than mini-series or TV movies. They're more interactive and they allow for branching paths, like how Jedi Knight 1 and Jedi Academy had Dark Side endings and the like.

After the reception to the PT, if I were Lucas, I would have layed low for a while. Aside from the majority of normies who just came in to see things blow up (which would, ironically, also lead to the rise of the Bayformers and the MCU) most critics crucified Lucas. If he did a SW TV series, it would have likewise been attacked for having him onboard, and if he's not onboard, he couldn't control it and they could go do something stupid like what D&D did with Game of Thrones. Note how the Mandalorian has him and Jon Favreau working with Dave Filoni on the show. But that was AFTER people's minds on the Prequels were changed by the Sequels, after which people disavowed the Red Letter Media propaganda and instead started crying for the return of Lucas, which the show-runners for the Mandalorian were more than happy to oblige.
 
Once I started to get older and understand some things - basically once I fully grasped that Watterson was right about The Noodle Incident - I realized that we didn't need Vader's life story or to see what the Clone Wars were, because it wouldn't live up the potential in everyone's imagination.

But I don't in the least fault Lucas for wanting to do something Non-Star Wars, and non-OG Cast for a while. (Especially since Carrie Fisher admits she was a coked-out mess for most of it, and Ford's career was taking off and it was hard to get him in for ROTJ let alone another 3 films/10 years. To say nothing of changing cinema as things shifted to the 'summer action blockbuster')
I don't think wanting to do Episode 1-3 and then do 7-9 was on its own bad either. (The timing of doing it with an aging OT cast however....)

I just take issue with people letting Lucas off scott-free when he had 25 years that he could have delivered on what Disney didn't, and its pretty clear a large portion of reason why he didn't was greed and ego.
Although I have my grievances with the prequels, despite recognizing the good and creativity in them, I try not to bash them too much since that always leads to attracting Disney drones, but regardless, I think the films would've been better received by the general masses if TPM had started with Kenobi and Anakin from the get go on the trade federation ship with Qui Gonn accompanying them for backup while also checking out how his old apprentice was coming along (in order to preserve Duel of Fates which was probably the most well received part of the film), allowing for less focus on Anakin's more vulnerable flaws and thus preserving his image in the masses while also avoiding some awkward child acting and romance, because at the end of the day, I remember more hate for Anakin's portrayal than anything else in the prequels, and others telling me that slight changes would've done wonders. Do I fully agree with these sentiments? Well I'm mixed and I do think the story should've focused more on an older Anakin, but then again I'm open to compromises like that. The only downside would be the loss of the Podrace scene, which while often criticized for being pointless filler, is honestly one of the more memorable instances in the film for me (along with Duel of Fates) since it shows what is essentially a day in the life in the rest of the galaxy via some dazzling special effects, but I digress. As for Lucas' shortcomings, whether they be greed or ego, there were quite clearly a lot of missed opportunities, most especially the opportunity to produce even more animated material after the success of Genndy Wars, especially when he had easier access to cheaper Korean and Japanese animation studios than in the 80s, but ego and greed tended to play a part in that I guess, and it seems that he only gained an interest in making sequels after Filoni Wars' ridiculous budget practically drained Lucasfilm. Which is why I can't stress enough that CGI shows were a mistake, especially when they're so expensive to produce with current limitations. What is clear though is that Lucas got an unwarranted amount of hate and character assassination back in the day to the point where some even wanted him dead which was retarded, but what really seemed upsetting was the media's constant attempts to demonize him as an idiot, a bigot or even a swindler, especially in the heart of Hollywood. It was obvious the various Hollywood guilds had it out for him, especially the Director's guild, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were in an active campaign to ruin the man simply because he didn't conform to their wants.

I thought that it was supposed to be the other way around, though, according to Supernatural Encounters: The Trial and Transformation of Arhul Hextrophon. 🤔
Earlier drafts hinted at him doing the opposite. Not sure why he changed it for the release, but SE is currently going through an expansion with "corrections". He hasn't touched that part of the Rakata history yet, so its anyone's guess what happens from there on out. I'm genuinely curious to see how much he changes and if he plans to include more concept art.
Yeah, I've always thought that Revan was the weakest part of the KOTOR setting (well, Revan and the Exile, and that whole "wound in the Force" concept).
Because they weren't meant to have characters. They were essentially supposed to be what the player made for them to allow maximum freedom of choice and character growth, hence them being blank slates who don't have much to offer individually, as they weren't meant to be developed until SWTOR and its tie-in novels came along. So unless one engaged in the game, there's not going to be much to go on and could come off as dull unless you went in hard on the RP.

I never really had an obsession with Revan as a character, so I think I'll be good. A lot of my favorite characters are the supporting cast and villains from KOTOR II.


You're preaching to the choir, my dude. The Vong were and still are my favorite alien species in Star Wars.


I heard that canonizing the Exile as female actually created continuity or lore inconsistencies. I haven't really looked into it, but what does it change, exactly?


Pray tell, what was the hashtag, so that I may revel in the salty tears of neglected Disney Drones?
What's the hashtag?
Same ones they've used before:
WheresFinn, WheresRey, etc etc. Its pathetic to be frank and barely a blip on the face of Twitter when compared to the sequel defense of yesteryear.

On the bright side, it did lead me to this amusing individual:


Also @Mississippi Motorboater Disney's High Republic shit released a new comic that seemingly brought back the Vong... as a jedi...
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The individual in question is a jedi padawan named Qort, who can only speak a "foreign" language even by galactic standards and wears a helmet that's exactly like Darth Krayt's vonduun vong one.

The comic isn't on that site yet, but you can find pages of it here:
 
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Also @Mississippi Motorboater Disney's High Republic shit released a new comic that seemingly brought back the Vong... as a jedi...
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The individual in question is a jedi padawan named Qort, who can only speak a "foreign" language even by galactic standards and wears a helmet that's exactly like Darth Krayt's vonduun vong one.
If this guy truly is Vong, then the whole point of the species is void if they can use The Force.
Also, this means nuking the EU became even more pointless and petty.
 
"Number one in combat, piloting, lightsaber forms and meditation" Because of course she is.
It seems like every High Republic MC is exactly the same. A strong female lead who was the best in several fields and who is ascending the ranks rapidly but is somehow paradoxically a know it all and humble while being accompanied by a male jedi sidekick who is slightly less intelligent and for most of them non-human. I think the only exception to this rule is Claudia Grey's High Republic story which stars two blonde guys (a jedi and a smuggler, the second being Leox Isgay Leox Gyasi) who are paired up with a black female sidekick/co-pilot and a togruta jedi master, and even then the author's description of the male jedi lead is cringe:

"Reath is almost like if you made Hermione Granger a boy and put him in the Star Wars universe. He’s reading Hogwarts: A History or I guess Jedi Temple: A History. He believes in the rules for a reason. He wants everything to go according to plan, but just like Hermione, he also gets why sometimes you have to bend the rules a little bit and does not lack for any amount of courage."
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Just some kind of transitionary media. A New Republic mini-series, a TV movie. Something.
But Lucas was beyond the OT, and his ego was seriously bruised by the PT's reception, so he was not in the mood do something for long term fans. I get it. Its petty, understandable yes, but still petty.
To be fair, the process of making the two trilogies was not, by all accounts, an easy one in either case, as @Admiral Mantoid and @Mississippi Motorboater have related. Sounds like the sort of ordeal (particularly having to fight the Hollywood system at every turn to make the Prequels) that one would want to take a long break from afterwards.

He announced he was considering new films, but hadn't made any real strides until Kenner/Hasbro fucked up and he stood to make 10% more action figure revenue. Throughout Shadows of the Empire, he was also trying to skirt the deal with Kenner, like giving Galoob the Star Wars micromachines license (since they were play sets and not action figures).

And of course he had a draft worked on in '94. Nigga was like that guy from the Twilight Zone who was hounded by the jawa things. He couldn't not be writing.
True enough, I suppose...🤔

Although I have my grievances with the prequels, despite recognizing the good and creativity in them, I try not to bash them too much since that always leads to attracting Disney drones, but regardless, I think the films would've been better received by the general masses if TPM had started with Kenobi and Anakin from the get go on the trade federation ship with Qui Gonn accompanying them for backup while also checking out how his old apprentice was coming along (in order to preserve Duel of Fates which was probably the most well received part of the film), allowing for less focus on Anakin's more vulnerable flaws and thus preserving his image in the masses while also avoiding some awkward child acting and romance, because at the end of the day, I remember more hate for Anakin's portrayal than anything else in the prequels, and others telling me that slight changes would've done wonders. Do I fully agree with these sentiments? Well I'm mixed and I do think the story should've focused more on an older Anakin, but then again I'm open to compromises like that.
I love the emphasis upon the importance of strong father-figures that Lucas worked into Anakin's story via the character of Qui-Gon Jinn, but I also tend to agree that the Prequels as a whole would probably have been a tighter story if Anakin had been introduced as a teenager or young twenty-something.

The only downside would be the loss of the Podrace scene, which while often criticized for being pointless filler, is honestly one of the more memorable instances in the film for me (along with Duel of Fates) since it shows what is essentially a day in the life in the rest of the galaxy via some dazzling special effects, but I digress.
It's also a pretty neat homage to Ben-Hur.

As for Lucas' shortcomings, whether they be greed or ego, there were quite clearly a lot of missed opportunities, most especially the opportunity to produce even more animated material after the success of Genndy Wars, especially when he had easier access to cheaper Korean and Japanese animation studios than in the 80s, but ego and greed tended to play a part in that I guess, and it seems that he only gained an interest in making sequels after Filoni Wars' ridiculous budget practically drained Lucasfilm. Which is why I can't stress enough that CGI shows were a mistake, especially when they're so expensive to produce with current limitations.
Man, you're making me nostalgic for Droids...

What is clear though is that Lucas got an unwarranted amount of hate and character assassination back in the day to the point where some even wanted him dead which was retarded, but what really seemed upsetting was the media's constant attempts to demonize him as an idiot, a bigot or even a swindler, especially in the heart of Hollywood. It was obvious the various Hollywood guilds had it out for him, especially the Director's guild, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were in an active campaign to ruin the man simply because he didn't conform to their wants.
And to what extent was that character assassination and demonization being astroturfed by the Hollywood guilds... 🤔

Earlier drafts hinted at him doing the opposite. Not sure why he changed it for the release, but SE is currently going through an expansion with "corrections". He hasn't touched that part of the Rakata history yet, so its anyone's guess what happens from there on out. I'm genuinely curious to see how much he changes and if he plans to include more concept art.
If there's one thing the Rakata could use, it's better art direction. 😆

Because they weren't meant to have characters. They were essentially supposed to be what the player made for them to allow maximum freedom of choice and character growth, hence them being blank slates who don't have much to offer individually, as they weren't meant to be developed until SWTOR and its tie-in novels came along. So unless one engaged in the game, there's not going to be much to go on and could come off as dull unless you went in hard on the RP.
And under other circumstances, I wouldn't have a problem with that, but I just don't think you can realistically do that when the blank slates in question are supposed to be the in-universe equivalents of Alexander and Parmenion...

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The individual in question is a jedi padawan named Qort, who can only speak a "foreign" language even by galactic standards and wears a helmet that's exactly like Darth Krayt's vonduun vong one.
Oh Kad Harangir, they're trying to retcon the Vong now, too?

It seems like every High Republic MC is exactly the same. A strong female lead who was the best in several fields and who is ascending the ranks rapidly but is somehow paradoxically a know it all and humble while being accompanied by a male jedi sidekick who is slightly less intelligent and for most of them non-human. I think the only exception to this rule is Claudia Grey's High Republic story which stars two blonde guys (a jedi and a smuggler, the second being Leox Isgay Leox Gyasi) who are paired up with a black female sidekick/co-pilot and a togruta jedi master, and even then the author's description of the male jedi lead is cringe:

"Reath is almost like if you made Hermione Granger a boy and put him in the Star Wars universe. He’s reading Hogwarts: A History or I guess Jedi Temple: A History. He believes in the rules for a reason. He wants everything to go according to plan, but just like Hermione, he also gets why sometimes you have to bend the rules a little bit and does not lack for any amount of courage."
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Claudia Grey appears to really have a thing for blond male/black female pairings, seemingly, Thane Kyrell and Ciena Ree in Lost Stars being a previous example. 🤔

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Since we are some what doom pilling what could happen with the HR...huh...I'm worried that they are either going to show a more of that purple Hutt or make Jabba into a coward since nu-sw is all about cheaping OT characters.
 
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