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[Newman's Own]

Fuck, you just reminded me that I have Downcast 1 here, somewhere, unread. I lost almost all interest between backing and receipt.

Don't get your hopes up.

The second half felt very rushed. There could have easily been a third book, but instead He introduced new plot points like a resistance group on watch’s surface and then having them not doing too much to further the story’s plot.

If the second book was no better than the first then a third book would be a complete waste.

Most of CG and indie writers in general have no idea about pacing or how to write a three act structure in a single book and/or a multi-book arc.

Indie means amateur mostly and the biggest weakness in CG is that even most pros lack the necessary craft to write compelling stories as @TheCosmicWarrior pointed out about @FROG before he cucked like a bitch and supplicated himself for the sheckles. He couldn't pull those videos down fast enough.

 

[Stoneheart]

Would it be wrong to Copyright Strike LIAM GRAY for actually stealing THE TRASH COMPACTOR SHOW content and simulcasting it live on 2 different channels?

That would be very very bad. just get your socks and make it look like he is a very brave furry...

Boy do I agree with the thing Dongs said about $25 For books that “look cheap”. I wanted $25 so that I could do my best work and offer the best possible presentation. Now that seems to be the standard basic asking price for every random crowdfunded comic.

25$ is hard, but its more like 50$ in europe... You can buy alot of much better european comics for that money...

 

[jspit2.0]

Greetings paypiggies true believers. It's Uncle Ruckus here to give ya your Comicsgate news.

@FROG got me interested. Clint Stoker is the only non-mainstream pro he identified as a rising talent in CG. Since Richard is crossing that thin line between funny/interesting to sad/interesting I thought I might take a look at his potential replacement.

Clint Stoker is a boring ass Mormon with the radio personality of paste. He has a fandom channel that looks clickbaitesque and the most immediate thing that stands out to me is how much sharper and more professional it feels. In some ways that is a minus. Richard's more raw and relatable style draws people in and makes them feel like they're having a conversation, not being preached at or sold something.

Ethan had a truly horrid snore stream, but while I was thumbing through the chat I saw that Stoker is working with Chuck Dixon on public domain characters in an indiegogo.

the Indiegogo is called Thrilling Comics. It's only gotten 2,000 dollars, which is pathetic considering you have so many writers (three) to feed. The concept isn't new. Dynamite has done it for a decade with Alex Ross and Antarctic. There's a reason these characters are public domain.

What is interesting is the artist Joseph Olesco.

It's an interesting style kindof Archie and I liked it. So I did some digging.

I omitted some of the more risqué stuff, but still, funny stuff.

The other two artists are considerably less interesting.

A plus for this campaign is Stoker embracing digital offering the 32 page comics for just five dollars. However, they're selling the physical copy for fifteen dollars. So we'll see how that all plays.

 

[Rupin]

Greetings paypiggies true believers. It's Uncle Ruckus here to give ya your Comicsgate news.

@FROG got me interested. Clint Stoker is the only non-mainstream pro he identified as a rising talent in CG. Since Richard is crossing that thin line between funny/interesting to sad/interesting I thought I might take a look at his potential replacement.

Clint Stoker is a boring ass Mormon with the radio personality of paste. He has a fandom channel that looks clickbaitesque and the most immediate thing that stands out to me is how much sharper and more professional it feels. In some ways that is a minus. Richard's more raw and relatable style draws people in and makes them feel like they're having a conversation, not being preached at or sold something.

Ethan had a truly horrid snore stream, but while I was thumbing through the chat I saw that Stoker is working with Chuck Dixon on public domain characters in an indiegogo.

the Indiegogo is called Thrilling Comics. It's only gotten 2,000 dollars, which is pathetic considering you have so many writers (three) to feed. The concept isn't new. Dynamite has done it for a decade with Alex Ross and Antarctic. There's a reason these characters are public domain.

What is interesting is the artist Joseph Olesco.

It's an interesting style kindof Archie and I liked it. So I did some digging.

I omitted some of the more risqué stuff, but still, funny stuff.

The other two artists are considerably less interesting.

A plus for this campaign is Stoker embracing digital offering the 32 page comics for just five dollars. However, they're selling the physical copy for fifteen dollars. So we'll see how that all plays.

didnt Thrilling comics tank the first time around A couple years ago? Nobody wants that shit. Clint would be better off adding that as an ashcan while he is selling a comic that people actually do want to want to buy.

 

[Captain Manning]

Don't ruin my WITTEN dream!

I'm gonna get your wife's backer info from Pan. Not to dox her, but to show her what you said here so she'll beat the shit out of you. I'll show her Witten's terrible "art film" for added context.

These people exist?

Zack fanboys.

Mind you, there is an argument to be made he shouldn't have filed the damn thing in the first place. I think the point here isn't whether he should have clashed legally with Waid. It's that he made a big deal out of it, collected a bunch of money, and then pussied out.

Regardless of where you fall on the legal analysis, that's the worst possible outcome. It looks like a "publicity grift" even if it weren't.

 

[jspit2.0]

didnt Thrilling comics tank the first time around A couple years ago? Nobody wants that shit. Clint would be better off adding that an ashcan while he is selling a comic that people actually do want to want to buy.

It sure did.

Thrilling Blah

Only 4,000 off of 96 backers.

David then did a collection of his antarctic comics for Cosmic Scorpion.

Scorpion blah

500 dollars from three backers for a 70+ page book.

To be fair, his current one will most likely fund. but I don't see how he makes any money off of it.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Mind you, there an argument to be made he shouldn't have filed the damn thing in the first place. I think the point here isn't whether he should clashed legally with Waid. It's that he made a big deal out of it, collected a bunch of money, and then pussied out.

There would be an entirely different perception if Waid was the one who came to the table first for settlement and Meyer dropped the case as a result of it. And, to be fair, we do not know who contacted who first. However, it appears as though it was Meyer the one who threw in the towel first.
It comes off as weak.
There's also the financial aspect of it. Meyer's GFM stopped getting significant funds months before the settlement.
It's not like he wasn't promoting it at the end of his videos, he was.
People just were not engaged with it because normal people do not understand that the legal process is not like social media's court of public opinion: it takes time and will not be settled as quickly as it would be on Twitter, YouTube, etc. People's attention spans are not that long.
I think a major mistake was made when the minute news came out that the case looked like it was heading to trial after the new judge was assigned, @FROG (and other CG creators) did not make more of an effort to promote the shit out of the GFM (appearing on Nick Rekieta's stream, hosting funding streams, etc.). Meyer should have made more of an effort to engage with @FROG's audience, again. That was the time to rally the troops.
It didn't happen.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I can't blame Ethan for not making an effort. It's Zacks lawsuit at the end of the day. His absolute refusal to do any sort of promotion or livestreaming is killing him.

I like Zack, but the dude has gotten really stale on Youtube. I can barely sit through any of his vids anymore. He works much better when bouncing off Ethan and others IMO, even if it makes him uncomfortable.

the relaunch is live, if anyone cares.

 

[A nameless trool]

I can't blame Ethan for not making an effort. It's Zacks lawsuit at the end of the day. His absolute refusal to do any sort of promotion or livestreaming is killing him.

I like Zack, but the dude has gotten really stale on Youtube. I can barely sit through any of his vids anymore. He works much better when bouncing off Ethan and others IMO, even if it makes him uncomfortable.

the relaunch is live, if anyone cares.

Zack could do 4 videos a week, a couple "SJW said something stupid on twitter", 1 "this is what I read this week" and 1 "boomer manchild speaks comics".
He could hire somebody off fiverr to do the editing, adding pages, panels etc and cutting out some of the bloat in his videos and maybe bother to occasionally hit a CG livestream. He has cleaned up his channel so much that, at this point, he sounds normie dad who is into comics and maybe gets cranky with those damn kids on twitter.

Or like edgy, rambly Comics, By Perch.

But I do believe he is getting blackpilled for quite some time, he will probably get back into IT within 2021 and keep youtubing and publishing Jawbreakers as a sidegig.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

It sure did.

Thrilling Blah

Spoiler

The video thumbnail that greets you when you visit the page. Chris Farley falling off his chair in a gray hallway as an indistinct cloud of black gray and white threatens to swamp him.

David then did a collection of his antarctic comics for Cosmic Scorpion.

Scorpion blah

Spoiler

Off-trademark Blue Beetle and budget Gina Carano: not joined at the hip, joined at the elbow. Didn't nobody tell this guy about tangents?

This one looks as if the terrorist guy literally has his boot up the guys ass.

Also it looks as if it was inked solely with microns. Only douchebags do that.

Most of CG and indie writers in general have no idea about pacing or how to write a three act structure in a single book and/or a multi-book arc.

Indie means amateur mostly and the biggest weakness in CG is that even most pros lack the necessary craft to write compelling stories

Going solely by what I just looked at, the indie artists have no idea how to compose something that isn't a pinup figure floating in a blank white space, either. I feel kind of bad, everyone has to start somewhere, but also I'm not surprised nobody wanted to drop even twenty bucks on this stuff.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

Meanwhile, in the mainstream industry, critics hail this as "Using lithesome, intricate drawings and mixed-media collages, Spector debuts with a graphic memoir of desire and loss that expresses emotions viscerally and with a tactile immediacy."

It looks like my 7 year old drew it. Does it really work when they try to gaslight people into thinking this is high art?

 

[jspit2.0]

Meanwhile, in the mainstream industry, critics hail this as "Using lithesome, intricate drawings and mixed-media collages, Spector debuts with a graphic memoir of desire and loss that expresses emotions viscerally and with a tactile immediacy."

It looks like my 7 year old drew it. Does it really work when they try to gaslight people into thinking this is high art?

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You:"WhAt iS aBsTrAcT ArTs?"

Me:What is Bill Stinkbug, Dave McKean, and Ted McKeever.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

You:"WhAt iS aBsTrAcT ArTs?"

Me:What is Bill Stinkbug, Dave McKean, and Ted McKeever.

Also looks like shit, but not as shit as the shit I posted.

 

[jspit2.0]

Also looks like shit, but not as shit as the shit I posted.

I suppose you also eat only Big Macs and Tacos for every meal?

Dave McKean and Ted do not look like 'shit', which once those images appear would be clear.

Stinkbug....I think he read a book on abstract art in the 80s and figured it was easier than realism of his peers.

 

[Newman's Own]

Also looks like shit, but not as shit as the shit I posted.

You should keep shit to yourself on this one Jon. Your artists aren't exactly setting the world ablaze with their immense talents.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

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You should keep shit to yourself on this one Jon. Your artists aren't exactly setting the world ablaze with their immense talents.

Looks like 80s Mark Bagley work, just like we were going for. And she is immensely talented. You just don't understand comics, but I will lead the way.

 

[jspit2.0]

Looks like 80s Mark Bagley work, just like we were going for. And she is immensely talented. You just don't understand comics, but I will lead the way.

"You guyz just don't understand artwork. Sniff."

 

[Captain Manning]

You should keep shit to yourself on this one Jon. Your artists aren't exactly setting the world ablaze with their immense talents.

Looks like 80s Mark Bagley work, just like we were going for. And she is immensely talented. You just don't understand comics, but I will lead the way.

"You guyz just don't understand artwork. Sniff."

As the resident weeaboo in this thread, I feel like I can settle this dispute without showing any favoritism.

You're all right. Each of your submissions are indeed shit.

Read more manga.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Looks like 80s Mark Bagley work, just like we were going for. And she is immensely talented. You just don't understand comics, but I will lead the way.

I don't think the artwork is as bad as it looks, and the reason for that is that whoever was doing colors both phoned it in and wasn't very good in the first place.

First, like you point out it's an old-school style, which means that poor printing technology at the time led to an emphasis on shadow and inking. The colorist though has put in high contrast gradient (in line with more modern comic art) inside the heavily inked artwork which has resulted in each page and every panel having two clashing communications of weight and structure.

Second, even with this approach, multiple errors can be seen in the one page Newman's Own posted

Here we see "Vikki" cast a flesh-colored shadow. Also your artist for some reason is struggling to draw a circle and gave up half way, but we won't go there.

Here we see some blotchy soft brush tool work, where the coloring in no way compliments but instead competes with the sense of depth the lineart (which again is having trouble drawing circles, in this case the sewer tunnel) is trying to convey. I've emphasized the best example of what I'm talking about where a fuming sewer mist trail drawn in ink has a brush of green color that in no way conforms to the linework set out by the artist.

Bad coloring can ruin a good comic - just look at Tamra Bonvillain's body of work consisting of drenching everything she works on, from William Gibson's Aliens 3 comic adaptation to superheroes in tonally inappropriate neon bisexual lighting. Is there any way that a page colored in such a way could feasibly convey horror?

I'd even go so far as to say no colorist is better than a bad colorist - Frog should hang on to a talent like Kyle Ritter for as long as humanly possible.

 

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