Fallout: The Frontier - Done, and it's a hilarious shitshow

Ruin said:
Also why wouldn't Blackthorne just take all the tech he found in Portland go back and stomp the NCR?
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Exactly. With all the tech in his disposal, waging war with Valerius is nonsense. Just tell the Northern Legion that you're going to go back down south to eradicate the NCR government, and they'd fully support you, or at least leave you alone.
 
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LORD IMPERATOR said:
Exactly. With all the tech in his disposal, waging war with Valerius is nonsense. Just tell the Northern Legion that you're going to go back down south to eradicate the NCR government, and they'd fully support you, or at least leave you alone.
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Hell why wouldn't Blackthorne and Valerius form an alliance? Respecting each other's territories in exchange for using the Frontier's technology to defeat the NCR and The Legion? There was literally no need for fighting, they could have teamed up and gotten everything they wanted.

Unlike the Mojave factions the exiled NCR and Frost Legion weren't even really ideologically opposed.
 
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Ruin said:
Hell why wouldn't Blackthorne and Valerius form an alliance? Respecting each other's territories in exchange for using the Frontier's technology to defeat the NCR and The Legion? There was literally no need for fighting, they could have teamed up and gotten everything they wanted.

Unlike the Mojave factions the exiled NCR and Frost Legion weren't even really ideologically opposed.
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Blackthorne hates the NCR, Valerius doesn't agree with everything Caesar does, they could have just formed their own faction with the Crusaders and oppose all the Mojave factions together. They can go down south and ROFLSTOMP the NCR, then take the Mojave and attack Caesar's Legion.
 
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Watcher said:
People apparently discovered that America has a custom foot model that's significantly more detailed than the regular ones. It's something like 2500 faces by itself. This casts shade on their claim that her feet comments weren't fetishistic in nature.
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In the vanilla game feet models are significantly more under detailed than this

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a ton of people use body mods, are we sure they aren't just being retarded?
 
Ruin said:
In the vanilla game one howitzer and one ancient vertibird is enough to tip the battle of hoover dam in your chosen factions favor. The exiled NCR have dozens of vertibirds and a floating fortress straight out of Doom Eternal. The frost legion have hundreds of howitzer cannons and energy weapons even the Brotherhood of Steel don't have.
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The most ironic thing about the Frontier Legion is their heavy reliance on tech such as fully-automatic firearms, tanks, energy weapons, etc. When Lucius, the commander of the Praetorians, tells the player that Caesar taught them not to rely on firearms as they can jam or weaken them in the battle. They use melee combat more than long distance, with the exception of a submachine gun, a lever action, or a revolver. Usually the use of firearms are from Recruits or at the most the Decanus.
 
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Arma Rex said:
The most ironic thing about the Frontier Legion is their heavy reliance on tech such as fully-automatic firearms, tanks, energy weapons, etc. When Lucius, the commander of the Praetorians, tells the player that Caesar taught them not to rely on firearms as they can jam or weaken them in the battle. They use melee combat more than long distance, with the exception of a submachine gun, a lever action, or a revolver. Usually the use of firearms are from Recruits or at the most the Decanus.
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Basically, the Legion in the Frontier feels just like any other enemy from a CoD game. The one thing that set the Legion apart from the NCR, the Brotherhood, and most enemies in New Vegas is they attacked you consistently with both melee and ranged weapons. Some guys are firing at you from afar while some dudes are coming at you up-close. But many encounters with the Frontier Legion has them be very tech-reliant, they feel more like a low-rent Brotherhood of Steel clone rather than the actual Legion.
 
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Arma Rex said:
Oddly enough, it appears all sneed related mods on nexus have been shoah'd. Might be wrong.
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You can still use the Enclave Commander mod while killing everyone in the Frontier. There's our consolation.

With how the Frontier Legion acts like any other tech-reliant CoD enemy, complete with power armor and assault weapons, the devs might as well have replaced them with the Brotherhood of Steel or the Enclave. Like say, change the Brotherhood Crusaders so that they're pissed-off remnants of the California and Mojave Brotherhoods that set up shop in Portland, where they find lots of tech, and they declare it their "Holy Land". Then they find out that NCR forces who fought against the BoS and killed BoS Paladins are setting up a base nearby, desecrating the land that they have deemed holy, and they declare a "crusade" against them to avenge their dead comrades and save their holy land from the NCR scum. Or maybe have an Enclave detachment that didn't go all the way East with the rest and they decided to stay in Portland to play warlord, and they declare war on the NCR because the latter have attacked Scavenger gangs that have bent the knee to the Enclave.

Heck, why not have both, and have all three of them fight over a pre-war American base that has the unfinished helicarrier inside? The quest would revolve around seizing the base, which has been overrun with super mutants, and getting the parts necessary to finish the carrier so your faction can use it to bombard and destroy the other two factions.

There you go, two better factions to fight the Frontier NCR with instead of the Frontier Legion and the Mormon Brotherhood. You can even add in that the Legion is somewhat involved by seeding both the Crusaders and the Enclave ranks with Frumentarii, trying to fan the flames of hate against the NCR and trying to get both factions to attack the NCR, silencing or drowning out any voices for peace within the other two factions so that more NCR troops get tied down there and killed, just like how the Thalmor from Skyrim were supporting the Stormcloaks covertly to weaken the Cyrodiil Empire and get more Imperials killed.

Also, just have the Frontier NCR be an expansion led by NCR forces, made up of people who are tired of fighting in the Mojave, so the NCR rotated them and sent them there to protect NCR trade routes and interests, as well as scavenge for tech in the area. The Courier gets to the Frontier via a trade convoy a la Honest Hearts, and they can sign on with any faction they wish to join.

Also, I'd replace the lizard-people with sapient Deathclaws that took over a vault full of drugs, and they're basically the crackhead version of Manaan from KOTOR where people from all the factions come by to buy drugs, but they're prohibited from causing any violence lest the Deathclaw guards rip them to shreds. They're a neutral place where you can buy drugs from, in case you need to stock up on meds.

With simple re-writes, you could have had a decent story with this mod. But of course, they don't want the Enclave to be playable because "muh fascist power fantasy", ignoring that the Legion practically IS a fascist power fantasy.
 
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You know, replacing some Mormons in power armor with a hilarious knock-off of 40k's Space Marines would have been a much nicer fit for this mod. Maybe instead of the Enclave they're this weird America-worshipping tech cult obsessed with purity and cleansing those who are impure with blessed petroleum, and obviously they're not letting the player join because they're you know... impure and need to be cleansed with the sacred oil. Basically a bunch of weird-ass neocon oil shit taken to a hilarious extreme, mixed with 40k's batshit over-the-top-ness. Have them pay homage to Washington, Emperor of America, From Whom The Lifeblood Flows, and treat oil and its byproducts as the land's divine lifeblood.
 
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I'm still not sure if the Sans Blue Eye jumps scare bots or the sex snake people are cringier.
Teriyaki Snail said:
a ton of people use body mods, are we sure they aren't just being retarded?
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That's a lot of detail for a part of the body you're never really gonna see in game. First rule of creating: if it's out of the audiences frame, it doesn't matter. 99% of body/companion mods are fetish shit for losers who can't stand to take their meat out of their hand while they game.

Off the top of my head the only Companion mod I can recall that isn't some waifu4you shit is that fully voiced Khajit companion in skyrim.
 
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....... weird America-worshipping tech cult obsessed with purity and cleansing those who are impure with blessed petroleum........ Basically a bunch of weird-ass neocon oil shit taken to a hilarious extreme....................Have them pay homage to Washington, Emperor of America, From Whom The Lifeblood Flows, and treat oil and its byproducts as the land's divine lifeblood.
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Isn't that literally the God-President Reagan faction from Wasteland 3?
 
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If you make them a bunch of psychotic, power-armored zealots intent on cleansing the wastes of the impure while chanting "CLEANSE! PURGE! KILL!" like Space Marines, then yes.
 
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Maude Snew said:
Hideo Kojima is a hack anyway. That's right, I said it. Metal Gear was good despite him not because of him much like Star Wars was good despite George Lucas not because of him.
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IIRC with Kojima, he had another writer on his team or at least someone that helped keep him in check with all the story shit that was going on for the games. Once that guy left, Kojima went off the rails with shit like vocal cord parasites and "WORDS THAT KILL!!!111"

LORD IMPERATOR said:
It never does.

You know what would have made this mod perfect?

If you finish the mod, and you wake up in Doc Mitchell's house, and all the events of the mod was just the Courier having a bad dream while they slept after getting shot by Benny.

That would have utterly ABSOLVED almost everything bad they did in the mod, from the snake people to the bad CoD/Wolfenstein/SpecOps ripoff that was the NCR campaign, everything.

They can just have it end by Doc Mitchell waking you up, and you'd get all the items from the mod stashed in a shack close to your starting point in Goodsprings as a "thank you" from the devs for playing the mod so you can use them in the base game.

That would have been the PERFECT way to end this whole mod. It was just a bad dream.

If the Frontier devs had the balls to do that, the mod would have been well-accepted, all you'd need to do is remove the whole "enslave America" thing, and you're good to go.
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Bad dream or dying dream would of made it fit well. Especially with Doc Mitchell poking around your brain to remove the bullet and the Courier being in bed for two days. With the "war never changes" tagline the game is supposed to be known for, another way to make this mod better is if they looked back at the script and focus on making it "war is hell" without stuff like the deathclaw sex and the lizard snake people and redoing their Enclave space station where one could get the Enclave to be fascist beyond just having the player be told "they're fascist." Just show more of that fascism via logs and the like that helps one piece two and two together. More so if they could do that without copying COD or mimicking a scene from Wolfenstein where "you have to choose" or Spec-Ops where it goes on some diatribe of "do you feel like a hero?"

Arma Rex said:
The most ironic thing about the Frontier Legion is their heavy reliance on tech such as fully-automatic firearms, tanks, energy weapons, etc. When Lucius, the commander of the Praetorians, tells the player that Caesar taught them not to rely on firearms as they can jam or weaken them in the battle. They use melee combat more than long distance, with the exception of a submachine gun, a lever action, or a revolver. Usually the use of firearms are from Recruits or at the most the Decanus.
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I can imagine one bringing up Legion assassin's using guns as a counter to justify full-auto guns and tanks and the like but on the other hand, those guys have guns because you managed to piss them off well enough that they go fuck it and decide to just kill you. Even the one dedicated to melee though will use a thermic lance or a super sledge.
 
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c-no said:
IIRC with Kojima, he had another writer on his team or at least someone that helped keep him in check with all the story shit that was going on for the games. Once that guy left, Kojima went off the rails with shit like vocal cord parasites and "WORDS THAT KILL!!!111"
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Can you imagine being Kojima's tard wrangler? It's bound to be really stressful. "No, Kojima-san, we can't have vocal cord parasites, that's silly." "WELL FUCK YOU TOO."

I hope the guy was paid well at least.
 
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Arma Rex said:
>"Crusaders" of Steel
>Mormon
At least understand the difference between Catholics and Mormons. The devs did absolutely no research, did they?
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They're the kind of people who didn't realize that fetish content has little place in a non-porn/non-romance game.

They're the kind of people who thought bullying a girl into sex slavery, even as a meme, was a good idea in (lmao current year).

They thought that their 'when I'm 18 I'll go and have drugs and do sex' line was a good idea. (credit to the VA department that said, 'lmao I'm not saying that,' though.)

They thought their 'objectively evil' line with regards to that one NPC was good writing.

Not only did they not do research, but they also never even just googled what they were working on. Some kid who hasn't been to school all last year because of Kennel Cough could do better research.
 
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