Social Justice Warriors - Now With Less Feminism Sperging

[Coldgrip]

You sure you don't mean "anti-men" there?

It just astonishes me that there is a place where people have to sign contracts to have sex. Do these people realize how borderline-dystopian that sounds?

It's blatantly anti-men, but if you look a bit deeper (well not too much deeper) it's also very anti-woman. While there's constant screaming about how all men are evil and out to rape and kill, there's a strong undercurrent idea that women are incapable of taking care of themselves and that if it wasn't for SJWs, they wouldn't be able form their own opinions or stand up for themselves.

Edit: @ChurchOfGodBear said it better.

 

[StallChaser]

I think what @Utuk_25 means is that, in addition to the existing anti-men implications, feminism will eventually cause a great deal of resentment against women too, from the general population. There are a lot of women today with very strong belief's in women's rights/equal rights, who do not identify as "feminist" because they feel the movement itself makes them look bad.

Here's something else to consider... if two people have consenting sex with a contract, and rape is later claimed, will the woman actually be challenged for trying to take back her consent after the fact? If two people have sex without a contract and rape is later claimed, is the man assumed guilty just by virtue of not having a contract? My point is, does the contract have any legal standing whatsoever? I highly doubt it, so all it is is a feel-good fuzzy-wuzzy. It hasn't helped the problem at all. But of course, we'll force it on an entire population of sexually active young adults, because RAPE CULTURE.

Here's something else to consider: If a woman signs the paper, does she effectively give up any option to stop sex if she changes her mind? If the paper makes everything A-OK, can she sign it consenting to a little plain vanilla sex and then be pulled into a gangbang? As absurd as it sounds, it's right in line with a lot of the college rape accusations these days.

This is just such a stupid idea on so many levels.

The stupidest thing about this is that the only conclusion you can get from this sort of thing, unless it's applied in a blatantly sexist way, is that they both raped each other. Which is why I suspect this will be enforced in a blatantly sexist way. There are already Title IX lawsuits working their way through the system for gender discrimination against men/creating a hostile environment, based on the idiotic interpretation of Title IX (yes, the SAME law) that throws out due process for the accused because requiring evidence is somehow hostile towards women.

 

[Utuk_25]

Utuk, since you've said that, can I ask... what are your specific feelings on affirmative consent? If this is thread derailment, you can PM me.

My main and biggest issue with affirmative consent policies is that trivializes horrible crimes of sexual assault and rape and does nothing to reduce the crimes. Instead, it gives platform to sexist bigots to pass laws that really most people don't want.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-regulating-sex.html?_r=0
In short, this brand of feminism is acting as a successor for the declining religious right and catering to a small minority that don't represent an entire gender.

 

[fishercat]

It's like they forget that "innocent until proven guilty" is a thing.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

How many women do you know who would want to have to sign written contracts to have sex?

How many Harlequin romances feature fantasies of such things?

Somebody probably thinks it's hot. This is the Internet, after all...

It's blatantly anti-men, but if you look a bit deeper (well not too much deeper) it's also very anti-woman. While there's constant screaming about how all men are evil and out to rape and kill, there's a strong undercurrent idea that women are incapable of taking care of themselves and that if it wasn't for SJWs, they wouldn't be able form their own opinions or stand up for themselves.

Edit: @ChurchOfGodBear said it better.

Now I get it... oh, boy, do I get it...

The only people SJWs want to benefit are themselves and nobody else. They're completely self-serving under the pretense of doing good things for the oppressed.

In short, this brand of feminism is acting as a successor for the declining religious right and catering to a small minority that don't represent an entire gender.

Feminism really has become something out of a conservative's nightmare, hasn't it?

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

My main and biggest issue with affirmative consent policies is that trivializes horrible crimes of sexual assault and rape and does nothing to reduce the crimes. Instead, it gives platform to sexist bigots to pass laws that really most people don't want.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-regulating-sex.html?_r=0
In short, this brand of feminism is acting as a successor for the declining religious right and catering to a small minority that don't represent an entire gender.

Thanks for that.

I think the "No Means No" concept is the best way to frame the situation. Women should have an absolute right to say "No" to a sexual situation they do not agree to. Now, if they choose not to say "No"... is it not reasonable to question their motives? All rights come with responsibilities. If you have the right to say "no", you have the responsibility to do so when the situation warrants it. Affirmative consent has the effect of removing personal responsibility from ill-advised but still perfectly consentual sex. It also presumes that literally all sex is rape unless otherwise indicated.

... But if you say that, it basically sounds like you're "victim blaming".

Edit: I should also add that this is obviously a very personal and emotional issue, due to the very nature of what's being discussed. It's extremely difficult for anyone to analyze such topics logically and objectively, and we should acknowledge that. I think a lot of the problem comes from people who don't even try, and want to make decisions based purely on emotion, especially when those emotions are fear and anger.

 

[ZehnBoat]

I think what @Utuk_25 means is that, in addition to the existing anti-men implications, feminism will eventually cause a great deal of resentment against women too, from the general population. There are a lot of women today with very strong belief's in women's rights/equal rights, who do not identify as "feminist" because they feel the movement itself makes them look bad.

basically, feminism and "social justice" as it is now, fucks over women.
we've gone from "a woman is as good as a man" to "women are scared weak child-like people that need a strong hand to guide them"
and if you're a woman, don't you dare think differently. as a woman, you're too stupid to think on your own.
and stepping out of line makes SJWs hit you, because they love you, they just get angry sometimes.
and you will say you're a feminist, even if you say no, because you secretly want it.

 

[Ho Mo for Women]

Feminism really has become something out of a conservative's nightmare, hasn't it?

Hell, I'm as liberal as they come (by real world standards, not Tumblr standards), and frankly, I'm horrified by what the feminist movement is becoming.

It's blatantly anti-men, but if you look a bit deeper (well not too much deeper) it's also very anti-woman. While there's constant screaming about how all men are evil and out to rape and kill, there's a strong undercurrent idea that women are incapable of taking care of themselves and that if it wasn't for SJWs, they wouldn't be able form their own opinions or stand up for themselves.

Edit: @ChurchOfGodBear said it better.

Earlier in this thread (or a related thread, I'm not sure), someone posted part of an article by a prominent feminist, who said that she hates how the feminist movement is telling women that they can be strong and independent, but at the same time telling women that they are all helpless victims and always will be. And I think she made a great point. At this point, they're only fighting for equality in the sense that they're holding everybody back now.

 

[Jomadre]

Somebody probably thinks it's hot. This is the Internet, after all...

Contracts are very popular in the BDSM scene, actually.

 

[AnOminous]

Thanks for that.

I think the "No Means No" concept is the best way to frame the situation. Women should have an absolute right to say "No" to a sexual situation they do not agree to. Now, if they choose not to say "No"... is it not reasonable to question their motives? All rights come with responsibilities. If you have the right to say "no", you have the responsibility to do so when the situation warrants it. Affirmative consent has the effect of removing personal responsibility from ill-advised but still perfectly consentual sex. It also presumes that literally all sex is rape unless otherwise indicated.

The notion that affirmative consent requires a written contract is laughably obviously the product of a mind completely unfamiliar with how normal human society works. It's basically a child's idea. It's also not the law. Consent can be clear and explicit without any verbal communication at all.

This is one problem with bringing students into governance when they're legally adults but mentally children, and not even very well adjusted children at that. Nobody in their right mind would come up with this idea.

I remember the first time seeing a ridiculous set of rules like this, and the discussion of it provoked the reaction: "What's next? You'll have to have a written contract for every step of the process?" And thought that was a joke.

Ha ha. Not so funny now, is it.

 

[ZehnBoat]

The notion that affirmative consent requires a written contract is laughably obviously the product of a mind completely unfamiliar with how normal human society works. It's basically a child's idea. It's also not the law. Consent can be clear and explicit without any verbal communication at all.

these people will never last in a relationship
"i was giving you sexy eyes, what did you think i wanted to do"
"YOU_DID_NOT_STATE_YOUR_CASE_IN_A_PRINTED_CONTRACT_BEEP_BOOP!"

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

This is one problem with bringing students into governance when they're legally adults but mentally children, and not even very well adjusted children at that. Nobody in their right mind would come up with this idea.

 

[Elegantisimo]

Another day another #gate movement has been born, this time is the rise of #kimonogate. To those who have been out of the loop I will keep it short.

Recently Museum of Fine Arts in Boston, had to remove an event called " Kimono Wednesday" from their exhibition, due to SJW protesting in the gallery and online. This event was held so visitors could take a picture in front of "La Japonaise" from Monet, while wearing a kimono provided by the Museum. However, SJW deemed this event as "racism" and yelled "cultural appropiation".

Some of the SJWs tried to share when it would be "acceptable to wear a kimono", (some are but not limited to):
-Only if you do the proper research you are allowed to wear a kimono.
-Only if you have Japanese ancestry.
-Only if you are given permission by a japanese.

(Sample pic of the event, taken from The Boston Globe Website)

 

[TheMightyMonarch]

This is the guy that wrote the article

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Kinda looks like Voldemort morphed with Jeff Goldblum.

 

[Rin]

Another day another #gate movement has been born, this time is the rise of #kimonogate. To those who have been out of the loop I will keep it short.

Recently Museum of Fine Arts in Boston, had to remove an event called " Kimono Wednesday" from their exhibition, due to SJW protesting in the gallery and online. This event was held so visitors could take a picture in front of "La Japonaise" from Monet, while wearing a kimono provided by the Museum. However, SJW deemed this event as "racism" and yelled "cultural appropiation".

Some of the SJWs tried to share when it would be "acceptable to wear a kimono", (some are but not limited to):
-Only if you do the proper research you are allowed to wear a kimono.
-Only if you have Japanese ancestry.
-Only if you are given permission by a japanese.

(Sample pic of the event, taken from The Boston Globe Website)

You know, when I was in Japan, it was a big thing for a bunch of the study abroad people to buy kimono and dress up in them. The people running the group were very encouraging of this, as they basically wanted them to get a chance to experience Japanese culture (and support Japanese businesses, probably). The same thing when my sister went to India. Typically, other countries want a chance to share their culture. But I'm sure the white SJWs know more about it than the people whose actual culture it is.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

Some of the SJWs tried to share when it would be "acceptable to wear a kimono", (some are but not limited to):
-Only if you do the proper research you are allowed to wear a kimono.
-Only if you have Japanese ancestry.
-Only if you are given permission by a japanese.

I wonder if the Japanese have been careful to know when to do typically "American" things like
-Eating beef and fried chicken
-Not getting the shit bombed out of their country.

 

[Rin]

I wonder if the Japanese have been careful to know when to do typically "American" things like
-Eating beef and fried chicken
-Not getting the shit bombed out of their country.

I always laugh my head off when people complain about weeaboos "culturally appropriating" Japanese stuff. There are way more Japanese teenagers going "bai bai" and "sankyu" than there are American teenagers going "kawaii" or "arigato."

 

[Jomadre]

But the Japanese are so helpless against us violent and savage white people! We have to protect them because they are too inferior to protect themselves!

/sarcasm

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

I always laugh my head off when people complain about weeaboos "culturally appropriating" Japanese stuff. There are way more Japanese teenagers going "bai bai" and "sankyu" than there are American teenagers going "kawaii" or "arigato."

Over in Japan they love American stuff. They enjoy our music, they enjoy our food, they enjoy our movies, they even enjoy our comics and animation to an extent...

 

[ChameleonBody]

Over in Japan they love American stuff. They enjoy our music, they enjoy our food, they enjoy our movies, they even enjoy our comics and animation to an extent...

But... but.... if white ppl do it it's an exercise in privilege!!!

[That's their argument, ignoring the fact that white privilege is a practically non-existent concept in Japan and projecting American race relations onto another country is pretty damn racist in and of itself]