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What an awful fucking chapther. I swear if Eren doesn't win this whole manga sucks.
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Is there a single long running anime that had a great ending?
Call me a snob but I keep on getting dissapointed with the endgame of every single big Japanese show over and over.
Deathnote
Gantz
Tokyo Ghoul
Dragonball Z/GT/Super
Rurouni Kenshin
Bleach
(Berserk doesn't count because it will never end)
Naruto
7 deadly sins
Hero Academia
Countless more, I bet my ass One Piece will end in a "meh" note at best.
The only time japs seam to be able to make prefect endings are with short stories like Samurai Champloo.
Maybe SNK was just a grim reminder of such in the end.
Call me a snob but I keep on getting dissapointed with the endgame of every single big Japanese show over and over.
Deathnote
Gantz
Tokyo Ghoul
Dragonball Z/GT/Super
Rurouni Kenshin
Bleach
(Berserk doesn't count because it will never end)
Naruto
7 deadly sins
Hero Academia
Countless more, I bet my ass One Piece will end in a "meh" note at best.
The only time japs seam to be able to make prefect endings are with short stories like Samurai Champloo.
Maybe SNK was just a grim reminder of such in the end.
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This isn't an anime thing, it's because all these long-running anime are adapted from long-running serialized manga. With this kind of storytelling, it's rare that the author has any more than a vague idea of how the series is going to end beyond "the main character will achieve their goal... somehow". Also, the author might not even be in control of when their story ends - either their editor pressures them to drag it on for longer than it should be, or poor sales result in an early cancellation and a premature ending. There's so, so many potential points of failure with serialized long-form storytelling and it takes a REALLY good writer to jump all the hoops.
With an original anime, the writers know exactly how many episodes they're alotted and can create their story to best fit that structure. This allows for a more tightly planned and structured story. It's not to say that disasters don't happen (hello Darling in the Franxx) but at least in those cases it's just regular ol' bad writing, not an inherent fault of the medium.
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I've read that Japanese can create really great works but they cannot close out stories very well. I think its part of them culturally, as they believe things will continue on.
So when it comes to closing things out, there's a lot less attention and detail paid to it. So you get unsatisfying endings where things seem more like continuations than actual epilogues. Like things don't close out definitively or have a similar Western story structure where the story circles around back to the beginning.
The exception to this of course is 'Ghost in the Shell' and 'Psycho Pass' (the first one). Psycho Pass begins with a rookie not knowing what she was doing, and being trained by someone straightlaced. It ends with that rookie being hardned and training a newbie..
So its sort of this ideal. Like for example, when Darling and the Frankxx ends with them all basically getting reincarnated and fated to have a romance later. Its not really a satisfying conclusion to Western audiences, but it culturally makes sense.
So you have a lot of good manga that have mediocre or just bad endings. I'm going to be elitist and pretty much say Eastern, Western Europe, South American, American and Middle Eastern storytelling while are different culture wise, can close out satisfyingly.
Japan seems to eternally have that problem because I don't believe they consider it important. To us, a story is a complete journey. A shitty ending ruins everything that game before it. To the Japanese, its ancillary, an afterthought that doesn't effect the overall quality. Which is why so many great works are marred just by fucking awful endings.
A lot of the more 'mediocre' endings typically leave more story to be told. Like Uber Blatt, there's more there to mine, but it just goes off on its own.
Sometimes its editor interference, which seems very prevalent in Japan and much less so with American authors. So I think its more of a cultural thing that they don't see as a problem. And Japan isn't going to change things for the sake of the West. I just think it greatly hampers their storytelling and is a very bad habit that few have broken out of. And yeah, I will be a gajin elitist, its fucking trash storytelling and their culture would be better served without it. If Twitter could stop talking about anime tits for 5 seconds and maybe tell the Japanese not to end their stories like fucking retards, something would get done.
Attack on Titan is not a victim of this, as it has been sustained dogshit for years now.
Also if you're talking about Gantz the anime, just read the manga. The Gantz anime suuucckkkeeedd.
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Weirdly, this is not a cultural product of Asia, but really just of Japan. China and Korea can close out stories fine. For some fucking reason Japan stubbornly just doesn't consider it important. And its not like its hard in a lot of cases.
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Kind of a shame seeing AoT get this kind of treatment, it was something that I wanted to pick up a while back, but for some reason, just like GoT, I saw everyone get on the bandwagon. After seeing what happened to GoT, I'm glad I never got on that boat.
EDIT: I really do feel like it's just a combination of editor's leashes being short and the overall lack of foresight when it comes to many of these authors, for some I can understand, but if you're gonna go big, I feel like you should be as organized as possible with it.
EDIT: I really do feel like it's just a combination of editor's leashes being short and the overall lack of foresight when it comes to many of these authors, for some I can understand, but if you're gonna go big, I feel like you should be as organized as possible with it.
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I just learned that the Malaysian version censors titan "nudity". The results are absolutely hilarious.
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I mean, to be fair, Isayama technically did the same thing when he had Armin magically regain his pants after he got torched to death.
Still, giving some to the bottom fucking thing is just baffling.
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The bottom picture is just a shitpost. You probably missed that.
I'm more baffled that they allowed the female titan to show her hair and shoulders. That's haram.
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Yeah, sorry. It's Malaysia, and they're so fucking strict about everything, even if it's really fucking stupid, that I totally believed there for a moment that that last edit was real. Frankly, I'm just shocked that AoT is even allowed in that country at all.
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Rule of thumb is that anime originals are more likely to end well. manga end meh. And LN end really badly. VN end well if they have at least a season per 20 hours of gameplay.
Edit: I think Naruto ended well (at least from what I heard) and Dragon Ball Z also had an alright ending.
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Naruto ended without ever seeing him become a hokage and the arc war lasted A LOT with madara being killed in the biggest bullshit ever just so another villain can be introduced,not even mentioning how bs was madara and how stupid the powerlevels got
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You know, I gotta say that out of everything I thought would stop Eren, baseball was not one of them.
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I don't really get the internet's belief in this "Japs can't end" trope. It's not my experience in the slightest.
I quit watching American TV because it's Hollywood that can't end things properly. The majority of the time, a show just gets abruptly canceled by the network and you're left in the lurch with no conclusion.... sometimes even on cliffhangers.
And American comic books also suffer from the same thing, or the opposite-- dragging on for 50 years after the deaths of the creators and in the hands of imbeciles.
I quit watching American TV because it's Hollywood that can't end things properly. The majority of the time, a show just gets abruptly canceled by the network and you're left in the lurch with no conclusion.... sometimes even on cliffhangers.
And American comic books also suffer from the same thing, or the opposite-- dragging on for 50 years after the deaths of the creators and in the hands of imbeciles.
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Not to be autistic but out of all of those, Hero Academia has not even ended yet and is still ongoing. As for Death Note, it's ending was a result of higher ups meddling to make sure Light loses and the manga had a better ending while the anime rushed to it.
Honestly I'm not too surprised since Zeke gets pretty autistic when it comes to baseball ever since the final arc of the pre-timeskip (and tbh the best arc in the series) with how he kept making baseball jokes while killing his enemies. But I think Isayama was trying to do a message of how the little things in life are the most valuable but I think it would've been better if there was build up to Zeke making this turnaround because it felt rushed how Armin used talk no jutsu on Zeke to get him to help Armin convince other titan shifters to help them.
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Yeah, it's all but confirmed that the creators of Death Note were forced by the higher ups to continue their story. It's kind of why L's death, and the aftermath before his successors show up feels so final, and like an actual ending. The series was supposed to end there with Light winning, but that had to be changed because of executive meddling.
True, but it really just feels incredibly stupid. Zeke might be a sperg when it comes to baseball, but so is Levi when it comes to cleaning, and tea, and it would be like if either of those things happen to save the world. Actually, the tea would make more sense given the whole leaf fucking thing.
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Naruto is a case study in executive interference. You can see where the story was meant to go but because the series was printing money it was forced to just continue. The entire ninja was just being made up as it went and shit just getting thrown in, I honestly think the author just quit giving a shit at a point.
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Exactly, the manga version of events with L's successors was decent but the way the anime handled it just rushed everything to the end, but it would've been better if it ended on L dying.
I could see what Isayama was going for with the whole spiel (since it is a good message) but there was really not enough build-up for Zeke to have this turnaround outside of probably wanting to spite Eren for betraying him. Isayama's storytelling here is honestly comparable to a mix of Prequel-era George Lucas (due to having good ideas but conveying them poorly and being very attached to the stuff that influences them) and Jordan Peele (who is also notable for focusing more on his message at the cost of not really thinking of plot holes and such).
One thing I really love from this chapter in the meta-sense is how everyone is laughing at Erenfags from the people who love the series to even the shitposters while Erenfags are seething and trying to cope that the genocide ending is not happening (I doubt Isayama is going to go through with it since there seems to be very overt messages about how precious life is even before Armin's talk no jutsu to Zeke).
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Time to add "Defeated Erin using the Founding Titan" to this speech.
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