Debate vintologi about MTF HRT and feminization or whatever I seriously don't give a shit about

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This is less true than you want it to be. It's not terribly clear that HRT induces particularly meaningful psychological changes in behavior beyond reducing tending to reduce sex drive. Although, this might not reduce actual sexual behavior especially for fetishistic cases due contrary expectations and similar such things. Reducing sex drive tends to result in a marked reduction in fetishism which would be "feminizing," I suppose.
Here is an actual study showing that MTF HRT causes very significant feminization of the brain (including change in brain-size towards female proportions)

 
Here is an actual study showing that MTF HRT causes very significant feminization of the brain (including change in brain-size towards female proportions)

Why would you need drugs to 'feminize' the brain if it's already female to begin with? Are you saying those True and Honest women had male brains before taking their magic titty pills?
 
Why would you need drugs to 'feminize' the brain if it's already female to begin with? Are you saying those True and Honest women had male brains before taking their magic titty pills?
Their brains is typically somewhere in between (more to the male side) prior to HRT.

 
Here is an actual study showing that MTF HRT causes very significant feminization of the brain (including change in brain-size towards female proportions)

So it shrinks your brain? So if you are already on puberty blockers as a child and your brain is stunted anyways because puberty is essential to brain development.... hmmmmmm....
 
Their brains is typically somewhere in between (more to the male side) prior to HRT.

Jesus cheist just stop it.
You're shitting up the thread and achieving nothing besides looking like an absolute ass with massive cognitive dissonance.
Your ideology is shit and it is inconsistent.
 
How is it inconsistent?
I am not going to stay here and debate every single point of course.
But being innately a woman with a female brain and then jumping to "but I need estrogen to fully feminize my brain" seems like a inconsistency to me.

Of course your entire idea of what a female is probably comes from porn so I guess brains are an optional to you.

Go back to 4channel,faggot
 
But being innately a woman with a female brain and then jumping to "but I need estrogen to fully feminize my brain" seems like a inconsistency to me.
Here is what i wrote earlier on r/transmaxxing

You dont have a female brain prior to HRT (only subtle differences)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25720349
So your brain might already be more feminine than the male average prior to HRT but you need HRT to get an actual female brain.
 
Here is an actual study showing that MTF HRT causes very significant feminization of the brain (including change in brain-size towards female proportions)


Brain sex (or “gender”) is something that needs to die.

Listen, the brain is moulded from birth onwards and continues to be moulded through to the “cognitive cliff“ in old age when our grey cells start disappearing.

So out goes the old ‘biology is destiny’ argument. This argument effectively means that you get the brain you are born with – yes, it gets a bit bigger and better connected but you’ve got your developmental endpoint, determined by a biological blueprint unfolding along the way.

With brain plasticity, the brain is much more a function of experiences. If you learn a skill your brain will change, and it will carry on changing.

Common belief is that women are better at multitasking. Why? Many will simply say “because they’re women”, and leave it at that. No. It’s because women are more often put into more situations where multitasking is efficient than men are. If men were put in similar positions, they will learn how to multitask efficiently just like most women.The neural paths change; they become automatic pathways. The task really does become easier. It’s learned behavior, not biological.

People will say, “I have a son and a daughter, and they are different.’“ but I say, “I have two daughters, and they are very different.“ When you talk about male and female identity, people are very wedded to the idea that men and women are different. People like me are not sex-difference deniers. Of course there are sex differences. Anatomically, men and women are different. The brain is a biological organ. Sex is a biological factor. But it is not the sole factor; it intersects with so many variables.

In short, the “brain differences” many claim we have between the male and female sex through certain feats and interests are learned, not biological. As previously mentioned, a man can learn to multitask as well as most women when put in a position where it is efficient like most women have.
 
Here is an actual study showing that MTF HRT causes very significant feminization of the brain (including change in brain-size towards female proportions)

Just give them mercury at this point.
 
Brain sex (or “gender”) is something that needs to die.

Listen, the brain is moulded from birth onwards and continues to be moulded through to the “cognitive cliff“ in old age when our grey cells start disappearing.

So out goes the old ‘biology is destiny’ argument. This argument effectively means that you get the brain you are born with – yes, it gets a bit bigger and better connected but you’ve got your developmental endpoint, determined by a biological blueprint unfolding along the way.

With brain plasticity, the brain is much more a function of experiences. If you learn a skill your brain will change, and it will carry on changing.

Common belief is that women are better at multitasking. Why? Many will simply say “because they’re women”, and leave it at that. No. It’s because women are more often put into more situations where multitasking is efficient than men are. If men were put in similar positions, they will learn how to multitask efficiently just like most women.The neural paths change; they become automatic pathways. The task really does become easier. It’s learned behavior, not biological.

People will say, “I have a son and a daughter, and they are different.’“ but I say, “I have two daughters, and they are very different.“ When you talk about male and female identity, people are very wedded to the idea that men and women are different. People like me are not sex-difference deniers. Of course there are sex differences. Anatomically, men and women are different. The brain is a biological organ. Sex is a biological factor. But it is not the sole factor; it intersects with so many variables.

In short, the “brain differences” many claim we have between the male and female sex through certain feats and interests are learned, not biological. As previously mentioned, a man can learn to multitask as well as most women when put in a position where it is efficient like most women have.

Basically this. AFAIK they also found differences in the brain between heterosexuals and homosexuals. And I'm willing to bet you'd find differences in the brains of fetishsts or the mentally ill, too.

Infact, the brain still grows and changes until 25. Besides, how can a brain even be male or female? What defines it as either? Does a brain have a penis? Because braincells probably do have chromosomes, and those would fit with the rest of the body. How can a brain be a different gender from the person, when it's literally part of it? I mean, if it's a brain in a male body, doesn't it become a male brain by definition? Can you have male or female hands? Female ears? Male mouth?

And even if it were true, why fuck the body up to fit the brain rather than change the brain to fit the body? After all, the brain can change and adapt much easier anyway.

Another question: if this is true, why don't doctors do MRIs to find out if a trans person is really trans? Does the medical industry not agree with this whole "brain sex" thing? What if a doctor does an MRI on a trans person and their brain is male? Does that mean they just aren't trans? Even if they claim to be?

Also, but this is specific to Vintologis "logic". If estrogen feminizes the brain (since HRT feminizes the brain further) wouldn't that just mean they all have male brains? Because virtually none of them have inborn hormonal issues, we can assume they have normal levels of male hormones.

So yeah, trans ideology is filled with holes and inconsistincies. Either you get those questions answered half-half while trying to not actually tackle the question, or they just say "do your own research" or you just get banned from whatever hugbox you posted in.

Or my favourite one, they don't answer any question they just go "science agrees with us, we're women, deal with it"
 
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Here is an actual study showing that MTF HRT causes very significant feminization of the brain (including change in brain-size towards female proportions)

Take drugs and turn dumb.
You could have just showed us an after school special.
 
Brain sex (or “gender”) is something that needs to die.

Listen, the brain is moulded from birth onwards and continues to be moulded through to the “cognitive cliff“ in old age when our grey cells start disappearing.

So out goes the old ‘biology is destiny’ argument. This argument effectively means that you get the brain you are born with – yes, it gets a bit bigger and better connected but you’ve got your developmental endpoint, determined by a biological blueprint unfolding along the way.

With brain plasticity, the brain is much more a function of experiences. If you learn a skill your brain will change, and it will carry on changing.

Common belief is that women are better at multitasking. Why? Many will simply say “because they’re women”, and leave it at that. No. It’s because women are more often put into more situations where multitasking is efficient than men are. If men were put in similar positions, they will learn how to multitask efficiently just like most women.The neural paths change; they become automatic pathways. The task really does become easier. It’s learned behavior, not biological.

People will say, “I have a son and a daughter, and they are different.’“ but I say, “I have two daughters, and they are very different.“ When you talk about male and female identity, people are very wedded to the idea that men and women are different. People like me are not sex-difference deniers. Of course there are sex differences. Anatomically, men and women are different. The brain is a biological organ. Sex is a biological factor. But it is not the sole factor; it intersects with so many variables.

In short, the “brain differences” many claim we have between the male and female sex through certain feats and interests are learned, not biological. As previously mentioned, a man can learn to multitask as well as most women when put in a position where it is efficient like most women have.
Basically this. AFAIK they also found differences in the brain between heterosexuals and homosexuals. And I'm willing to bet you'd find differences in the brains of fetishsts or the mentally ill, too.

Infact, the brain still grows and changes until 25. Besides, how can a brain even be male or female? What defines it as either? Does a brain have a penis? Because braincells probably do have chromosomes, and those would fit with the rest of the body. How can a brain be a different gender from the person, when it's literally part of it? I mean, if it's a brain in a male body, doesn't it become a male brain by definition? Can you have male or female hands? Female ears? Male mouth?

And even if it were true, why fuck the body up to fit the brain rather than change the brain to fit the body? After all, the brain can change and adapt much easier anyway.

Another question: if this is true, why don't doctors do MRIs to find out if a trans person is really trans? Does the medical industry not agree with this whole "brain sex" thing? What if a doctor does an MRI on a trans person and their brain is male? Does that mean they just aren't trans? Even if they claim to be?

Also, but this is specific to Vintologis "logic". If estrogen feminizes the brain (since HRT feminizes the brain further) wouldn't that just mean they all have male brains? Because virtually none of them have inborn hormonal issues, we can assume they have normal levels of male hormones.

So yeah, trans ideology is filled with holes and inconsistincies. Either you get those questions answered half-half while trying to not actually tackle the question, or they just say "do your own research" or you just get banned from whatever hugbox you posted in.

Or my favourite one, they don't answer any question they just go "science agrees with us, we're women, deal with it"
Are you puprosely feeding vintologi's narcissism by pretending to be ignorant or what
 
Are you puprosely feeding vintologi's narcissism by pretending to be ignorant or what
Those differences are inherent though. If taking female hormones "feminizes the brain" by making you dumber, then hitting your head against the wall repeatedly also feminizes the brain. Just because you're male and aren't good at spatial tests doesn't mean you now have a "female brain". A brain in a male body is male by definition, your brain is not somehow external to "you" as a person, it IS you.

Just because men and women have inherent differences doesn't mean those differences are the defining factor of men and women. A women with great spatial ability is still a woman. With a female brain. Unless we're to claim that all autistic women are actually men

That's my point, like i point out, you can probably find brain differences between people with different fetishes or mental illnesses aswel

Edit: One thing I forgot, even if you subscribe to "spatial ability = male brain, verbal ability = female brain" then most MtF transexual are actually just men, and not "people with female brains"

Why? Because most transexuals are autists who cannot handle social situations well, have few friends and often times, autistic hobbies like trains, programming, videogames and anime. If anything, this whole "male and female brains are different" goes AGAINST trans ideology, not in favor of it
 
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Those differences are inherent though. If taking female hormones "feminizes the brain" by making you dumber, then hitting your head against the wall repeatedly also feminizes the brain. Just because you're male and aren't good at spatial tests doesn't mean you now have a "female brain". A brain in a male body is male by definition, your brain is not somehow external to "you" as a person, it IS you.

Just because men and women have inherent differences doesn't mean those differences are the defining factor of men and women. A women with great spatial ability is still a woman. With a female brain. Unless we're to claim that all autistic women are actually men

That's my point, like i point out, you can probably find brain differences between people with different fetishes or mental illnesses aswel
Or to put it more simply:
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The male line is closer to the "IQ score" in the middle, this shows that men are smarter.
 
Are you puprosely feeding vintologi's narcissism by pretending to be ignorant or what

Those differences are inherent though. If taking female hormones "feminizes the brain" by making you dumber, then hitting your head against the wall repeatedly also feminizes the brain. Just because you're male and aren't good at spatial tests doesn't mean you now have a "female brain". A brain in a male body is male by definition, your brain is not somehow external to "you" as a person, it IS you.

Just because men and women have inherent differences doesn't mean those differences are the defining factor of men and women. A women with great spatial ability is still a woman. With a female brain. Unless we're to claim that all autistic women are actually men

That's my point, like i point out, you can probably find brain differences between people with different fetishes or mental illnesses aswel
I would also like to point out that it isn't the sex or size of the brain that factors into intelligence, but rather the folds and ratio of brain size to body size. It's why rats are fairly smart despite having small brains (compared to humans).

Also Wikipedia is run by gendertards. Despite being a supposed source for facts, the information is likely skewed and biased. Hell, they removed the list of "trans serial killers" some time ago. With all due respect, I'd appreciate seeing this information from not Wikipedia.
 
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Also wikipedia is run by gendertards. Despite being a supposed source for facts, the information is skewed and biased. Hell, they removed the list of "trans serial killers".
Yes but that article is good enough to serve as a source for this, I'm not going to post links to five long scientific metanalalyses and expect people to read them.
 
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