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[IrishNightOwl]

I'm sorry but how the fuck are some people not convinced by the HoloEN identities? Sure some aren't guaranteed, but overall it is ridiculous to put them anywhere under a 50% probability. I can't believe I have to do this but here I go... this is all just off the top of my head but there's obviously a lot more:

Kiara/Keeki: Catchphrase that just happens to resemble her name, trilingual, same hair colour, same enough voice, just happens to be going back to Austr(al)ia at likely exactly the same time, pictures from around the time she went on trip with Calli, both twitter accounts post about earthquake, post weeby text emoji faces in their tweets ( ^ ° ^), pretty sure she said she was an idol in one of her past lives multiple times, backstory Kiara gave matches up very well with her roomate. And someone would have to cofirm this but since Kiara is left handed, if her roomate is too then that makes it virtually certain considering only 10% of people are lefties.

Calli/DD: Identical voice, character has the same theme, dice, cryptic tweets, collab with same artist, what more is there to say?

Ame/owo: Her voice, laughter and speaking style as well as hic tics or whatever you want to call them are very obviously from the same person which you'd see after watching 1 clip. Same gremlin tendencies. Good grasp of tech, built a PC before and just happens to be the techy one for all of EN as well as some of ID and likely JP also as long as the language barrier doesn't get in the way. Set up a twitch channel to bypass DMCA so she can have non-non-copyright music for supa sunday that isn't generic and boring playing for once which was the norm back when she streamed on twitch before all this DMCA bullshit.

Gura/zawa: similar voice, similar blue theme for character, same sense of degen humour, was stunned when she heard Ame say "meese" as it was something she discussed as zawa (here's a YT: https://youtu.be/YUjPiPt3lv8 ) , her twitter activity.

Ina is the only one I know virtually nothing about but I believe the pro artist thing. There's also that graduation video which was creepy as fuck but I believe it because you can actually see the resemblance in her face and the models usually have some resemblance to the roomate (just look at Coco you can see the similarity with her roomate around the neck/lower face as well as the way she holds her head up/posture)

 

[Cubanodun]

Tryouts are open ladies and gentlemen:

https://alt.hololive.tv/en/

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I genuinely hope this leads to a Genshin Impact ripoff featuring Hololive where Coco can eat insect-like creatures.

I remember this approach but i dont expect they picking games from that form, Hololive is a pretty good brand and game companies would go full kung fu mortal kombat for it (please dont be compile heart, fuck them in the ass), i think they are going to repeat the multimedia approach that was tried years ago with iirc a project that was about some kids time traveling (they separated the plot between past-present- future and were portrayed in light novel-manga-anime we only got the anime)

Also this kind of thing is very common in pixiv where they had Pixiv Fantasia tons of cool stuff came out of that

 

[Namesarehardtocomeupwith]

I wrote all this before we realized HoloAlt isn't an anime, but fuck it I already wrote it, enjoy me being wrong:

On the subject of the HoloAlt project.

I can't be the only one who thinks it couldn't quite work as an anime?

Sure a large chunk of them have "lore", but most of them don't have it go beyond "This one's a dog", "This one's a cat", "This one is an athletics manager that her viewers memed into believing she's a duck". Nevermind people like Matsuri who I had to actually name because from a character-lore perspective she is literally just some chick.

The ones that do have backstory have lore that isn't exactly cohesive. The 0-Year Old Princess of the Candy Kingdom, The Heir-Apparent to "Pekoland", Apprentice to the Grim Reaper who wants to pursue a rapping career instead of collecting souls. So much time would need to be spent worldbuilding that you wouldn't have room for an actual story to happen, unless you go with a multi-isekai approach and leave like all of it to "Don't worry about it too much."

I mean, it could work if they are innovative enough. Check out nijisanji fantasy tournament.

It's just 4 people brainstorming how their fellow livers would do if they got into a death match tournament for 4 hours. It just fantasy, but they elevated their backstories, what they did ever since they debuted, their relationship and much more. From shipping, to powerlevel to betrayal and suffering.
And it turns out to be fucking huge. The artist for the goblin slayer manga actually draw his interpretation of the final match.

https://twitter.com/kuroseP/status/1207208295515054080

 

[ElUltimoMohicano]

Kiara/Keeki: [...] both twitter accounts post about earthquake.

So the rest of it actually is largely convincing, but uh...two people tweeting about an earthquake that rocked a sizable chunk of an entire country is maybe not something that would hold up as evidence in a court of lol.

Might want to omit it next time.

 

[Account]

Calli/DD: Identical voice, character has the same theme, dice, cryptic tweets, collab with same artist, what more is there to say?

Not to mention the time she used the DemonDice account to start liking Calli art long enough for someone to notice and screenshot before she realized and scrubbed the likes.

 

[IrishNightOwl]

So the rest of it actually is largely convincing, but uh...two people tweeting about an earthquake that rocked a sizable chunk of an entire country is maybe not something that would hold up as evidence in a court of lol.

Might want to omit it next time.

Just threw it in there because why not, you could probably compare how they responded and at what time, but yeah its not really evidence either way but there's more than enough of that anyway. But yeah luckily I'm not taking anyone to court, I'm sure a lot of people here could do it better than I could.

 

[Pinot Pierrot]

I wrote all this before we realized HoloAlt isn't an anime, but fuck it I already wrote it, enjoy me being wrong:

On the subject of the HoloAlt project.

I can't be the only one who thinks it couldn't quite work as an anime?

Sure a large chunk of them have "lore", but most of them don't have it go beyond "This one's a dog", "This one's a cat", "This one is an athletics manager that her viewers memed into believing she's a duck". Nevermind people like Matsuri who I had to actually name because from a character-lore perspective she is literally just some chick.

The ones that do have backstory have lore that isn't exactly cohesive. The 0-Year Old Princess of the Candy Kingdom, The Heir-Apparent to "Pekoland", Apprentice to the Grim Reaper who wants to pursue a rapping career instead of collecting souls. So much time would need to be spent worldbuilding that you wouldn't have room for an actual story to happen, unless you go with a multi-isekai approach and leave like all of it to "Don't worry about it too much."

Funnily enough, the Azur Lane anime adaptation ran into similar problems by trying to be a full-fledged seasonal show, stretching its yet-incomplete story mode (which nobody pays attention to) into 20-minute episode segments and forcing characterization into certain characters because they omitted the Commander. Surprisingly, the devs listened to feedback and, instead of working on a second season, animated their official anthology Slow Ahead which is a just a yonkoma (4-panel gag) promoting the game’s events and new girls. It’s currently airing right now with episode lengths at <10 minutes each, and fans are much happier with the results.

Basically, just doubling the length of the average Holograffiti episode will be more than enough.

 

[Cubanodun]

Funnily enough, the Azur Lane anime adaptation ran into similar problems by trying to be a full-fledged seasonal show, stretching its yet-incomplete story mode (which nobody pays attention to) into 20-minute episode segments and forcing characterization into certain characters because they omitted the Commander. Surprisingly enough, the devs listened to feedback and, instead of working on a second season, animated their official anthology Slow Ahead which is a just a yonkoma (4-panel gag) promoting the game’s events and new girls. It’s currently airing right now with episode lengths at <10 minutes each, and fans are much happier with the results.

Basically, just doubling the length of the average Holograffiti episode will be more than enough.

The Azur lane anime was a production disaster, the script writer did not know what to do and went with the most generic plot ever created, the omission of the commander was just the worst part and then they asspulled shit that is nowhere in the game (Kaga summoning a huge fox familiar was the start and it went down from there) also the anime was shitted halfway and the last three episodes were released almost MONTHS after they stopped to air , Yostar decide to tell everyone to fuck themselves and created their own studio that now does the Anime PV for the events and the animation of the 4 koma

For comparison the kancolle anime actually recognize that the commander exist but you never see his face, is weird because there was a case where the player actually had a representation where you can see his face aka the Producers of Idolmaster and people did not bitched about it

 

[SmugPeko]

When you've constantly failed at everything in your life plus a touch of imposter syndrome, she'd be hypersensitive to anything as proof she is failing again even if it isn't true. Since her sub numbers aren't the best, she is a fraud and Cover is going to find that out and fire her , just like every other company she has worked for.

It was kind of creepy that a bunch of Japs sent her an Asuka Langley costume to wear when she was 15.

Her number isn't the best in HoloEN but if we count every Hololive she is doing well already. She is a fan of hololive so she should have known that cover doesn't really axe someone just because their number of subs and live viewers are low ffs.

I dont know what kiara expectations for herself is but im pretty sure cover never really expect HoloEn to be that big.

It took her like a day to reach 100k meanwhile her favorite hololive member reach 100k after 5 months and 11 days and is below her genmates except for one.


Edit : randomly browsing through r/VirtualYoutubers and saw this dude post. https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYou...nt_stop_karaoke_stream_until_1000subscribers/

I did check his stream and he seems like a pretty good singer.

It feels like theres alot of post now in that sub that ask for subs nowadays since neneka stunt is very successful huh.

 

[Deluxe]

I'm surprised nobody brought up that Goblin Slayer mangaka Kosuke Kurose and JAPANESE SHADMAN himself Mizuryu Kei are confirmed to be involved with the project.

The doujin where (you) marry Marine is now canon. Have a wonderful life!

 

[ElUltimoMohicano]

Funnily enough, the Azur Lane anime adaptation ran into similar problems by trying to be a full-fledged seasonal show, stretching its yet-incomplete story mode (which nobody pays attention to) into 20-minute episode segments and forcing characterization into certain characters because they omitted the Commander.

Oof, and at least Azur Lane has the benefit of already having a single psuedo-cohesive setting, or at least I assume so, given I don't actually play gachas but it does look like beyond guest characters there's no real huge outliers.

 

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Basically, just doubling the length of the average Holograffiti episode will be more than enough.

Or they could just remake Nichijou with a bit of Love Live and ZombieLand Saga thrown in. Just food for thought.

 

[The One And Only SALTE]

As for Calli..she literally put a dice rolling sound at the end of her debut song. She wanted people to know.

Mixmaster K's was asked about that sound and reproduced it on stream: he dropped a marble into a porcelain bowl and just liked how it sounds, hence the sample. If it was a callback to Dice, it's incredibly subtle.

Just give it a minute until Kiara has to actually leave Japan like she mentioned she has to because of her visa. If anything locks in Keeki as Kiara, it'll be that.

I was half ready to wax autistic about the "Holy shit you guys Kiara is a lefty!" doomposting, but eh. I'll just remind you that one of the huge reasons many of us are into corporate vtubers, and I do use that word deliberately, is very much because they avoid the "using their platform" shit.

Kiara is a lefty.

Kiara isn't putting the rainbow flag in her twitter profile, or dedicating a chunk of her streams to talking about George Floyd.

All of the EN girls are. Hell, I'd argue most vtubers in general are. Most are college age middle class kids. Thing is, unless you're Fangz, you keep your political leanings out of your content. It's something I picked up from good indies and the corpos.

I wrote all this before we realized HoloAlt isn't an anime, but fuck it I already wrote it, enjoy me being wrong:

On the subject of the HoloAlt project.

I can't be the only one who thinks it couldn't quite work as an anime?

Sure a large chunk of them have "lore", but most of them don't have it go beyond "This one's a dog", "This one's a cat", "This one is an athletics manager that her viewers memed into believing she's a duck". Nevermind people like Matsuri who I had to actually name because from a character-lore perspective she is literally just some chick.

The ones that do have backstory have lore that isn't exactly cohesive. The 0-Year Old Princess of the Candy Kingdom, The Heir-Apparent to "Pekoland", Apprentice to the Grim Reaper who wants to pursue a rapping career instead of collecting souls. So much time would need to be spent worldbuilding that you wouldn't have room for an actual story to happen, unless you go with a multi-isekai approach and leave like all of it to "Don't worry about it too much."

Haachama was also just supposed to be "some girl" but she's been producing her own psychological horror for weeks.

But yeah. That leak was very convincing so I'll totally take the L on that one but it is an interesting idea. I would just be really excited for a full on anime like that, especially with scene like Noel tossing Coco clear across a fucking continent.

 

[Cubanodun]

Oof, and at least Azur Lane has the benefit of already having a single psuedo-cohesive setting, or at least I assume so, given I don't actually play gachas but it does look like beyond guest characters there's no real huge outliers.

Well nope, even actual autists have problems following the lore of Azur lane because it flip flops a lot between events, Yostar decide to somehow remedy this in the shinano event where is pretty much stated that the discrepancies are just you playing in different timelines, the timeline where you are normally playing is one (the peaceful one with you prancing with your boats), the others are implied to be simulations by the sirens the only thing that is cemented is the META future, where apparently the commander died and the war went to the shit

Girls frontline is one of the few cases where the devs actually care about the plot

And for those that it say "Alternative would not work" let me explain you a precedent that i already said earlier in Pixiv Fantasia they gave artists a frame to work like "this is now hardcore medieval fantasy go wild" and then the autist invented stories, drawed things, did animation and was all fine and dandy, Alternative has the advantange that you have already a more solid frame to work, but we need to wait until cover release more information about it, i believe this is just Pixiv Fantasia but with Holos

 

[Osterry]

I'm surprised nobody brought up that Goblin Slayer mangaka Kosuke Kurose and JAPANESE SHADMAN himself Mizuryu Kei are confirmed to be involved with the project.

The doujin where (you) marry Marine is now canon. Have a wonderful life!

Finally we can deny Nanjing massacre together, pirate life for me!

 

[kadmckool]

A bit confused. Is this supposed to be the same person as Kiara? They don't really sound very similar to me.

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Also hiring a cosplayer to be a V-tuber seems kind of odd since you're not even going to be seeing the actual person anyway.

Kiara is not just a cosplayer though. She’s an actual ex idol, a huge Japanese idol weeb and nerd turn idol. Character’s “lore” had that. She was an idol who had been mistreated and driven away from the idol scene through slanderous and hate campaign because she’s a “gaijin”. You can find her interview after she get out of the idol scene somewhere around here which she gave some details on the darkness and toxic of idol cultures etc.

 

[Grass4Cats]

Collab with Kureha(zombie joined later), 4 hours and still playing.

Time for Astel's unarchived 8-10 hours singing stream.

 

[moments fade pain remains]

I saw an increase to the number of pages I had to read through and I thought "Of course, Coco reached 1 million subscribers and there is Bloom, as well. Maybe someone posted some chinks crying, or something" lol, nope.

 

[cypher3057]

Alright so here a round up of even more news:
Hololive colllab with a mobile game Ive never heard of.

AkiRose has a new song, but it’s not out yet.

And finally, they’re releasing an album


Link to the article: https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000372.000030268.html
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[Pinot Pierrot]

I'm surprised nobody brought up that Goblin Slayer mangaka Kosuke Kurose and JAPANESE SHADMAN himself Mizuryu Kei are confirmed to be involved with the project.

The doujin where (you) marry Marine is now canon. Have a wonderful life!

Kurose’s loveboner for Vtubers is famous to the point where GS fans regularly joke that the reason why recent manga chapters have been shorter compared to the first few story arcs is because he’s too busy simping for Hololive. Considering that he debuted with his own avatar recently and is involved with this project, he must be on cloud nine now.

It also gives me an excuse to post some of the fanart he's done. A couple in particular might be relevant to Alternative.