Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Mister Dongs]

 

[cow-wannabe]

When the inevitable, terrible story about Liam imaginary baby comes along just try and be sensitive and don't, whatever you do, think, say, or tweet "Maybe a Dingo ate your baby."

EDIT
Also, replying to @sKr0n post above (which I don't know how to do in an edited message). That was the guy who was supposedly responsible for leaking the private lewds of Mandy.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

Liam was honeypotted. That's a word now.

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Don't you have to be a fed to set a honeypot? Nerd Wonder being generally nice and conflict-avoidant is not baiting someone into committing a felony.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Don't you have to be a fed to set a honeypot? Nerd Wonder being generally nice and conflict-avoidant is not baiting someone into committing a felony.

I've never seen the word used before outside of IT security but in the IT world a honeypot is very useful for research, allowing you to track attackers and their methods along with generally wasting a whole bunch of their time. I'm not a Fed and I use them.

Apparently in the sexual blackmail/extortion/investigations world it's more commonly referred to as a HoneyTrap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_trapping

Honey trapping is an investigative practice involving the use of romantic or sexual relationships for interpersonal, political (including state espionage), or monetary purpose. The honey pot or trap involves making contact with an individual who has information or resources required by a group or individual; the trapper will then seek to entice the target into a false relationship (which may or may not include actual physical involvement) in which they can glean information or influence over the target.

Private investigators are often employed to create a honey pot by wives, husbands, and other partners usually when an illicit romantic affair is suspected of the "target", or subject of the investigation.[1] Occasionally, the term may be used for the practice of creating an affair for the purpose of taking incriminating photos for use in blackmail. A honey trap is used primarily to collect evidence on the subject of the honey trap. Honey trap is used in getting a new user addicted to illegal drugs and also for drug smuggling

It's silly on it's face since it was Liam who made the (multiple) advances while the girl turned him down flat and not the other way around.

These are not smart people.

 

[Absurdity]

It's more like a fruit trap. Liam couldn't let go of the orange before it was too late. He tried to freshly squeeze her, but she was a bitter and now the juice was traced back to him and low and behold he has led us to water once again... the tears of Liam.

Even I know not to put all your oranges into one basket case. CG has been a bountiful harvest, but Liam has now become the main supplier.

 

[Captain Manning]

When the inevitable, terrible story about Liam imaginary baby comes along just try and be sensitive and don't, whatever you do, think, say, or tweet "Maybe a Dingo ate your baby."

I laughed way too hard at this. Imagine this and Liam being the only two things some Americans know about Australia. I feel sorry for the Aussies. Smug Pug needs to do something about this shit. The Farms is already at war with New Zealand because of rampant faggotry from that hemisphere.

THE DINGO ATE LIAM'S BAY-BAY!

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I laughed way too hard at this. Imagine this and Liam being the only two things some Americans know about Australia. I feel sorry for the Aussies. Smug Pug needs to do something about this shit. The Farms is already at war with New Zealand because of rampant faggotry from that hemisphere.

THE DINGO ATE LIAM'S BAY-BAY!

Nobody gets to choose their parents. The kid's life will be hard enough without kiwifarms dunking on that easy 5ft rim. Liam is fair game though.

 

[Absurdity]

I laughed way too hard at this. Imagine this and Liam being the only two things some Americans know about Australia. I feel sorry for the Aussies. Smug Pug needs to do something about this shit. The Farms is already at war with New Zealand because of rampant faggotry from that hemisphere.

THE DINGO ATE LIAM'S BAY-BAY!

Yes! How could I have forgotten that ancient Aussie meme!!

First: Dingo ate my baby!
Next: Dingo drew my manga!

 

[Analog Devolved]

I am not meaning the double post but, I just saw this on twitter. The Liam / Ody thing just got worse.

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Here is the original tweet: https://twitter.com/YourNerdWonder/status/1363185282208653315

He's a total creep. He cyber sexually harassed a freelance employee. I know Liam is a disgusting drama whore but he's clearly crossed the line here and he will again. Liam finally got the tiniest shred of legitimacy then screwed over his artist and tried e-rape Nerd Wonder.

As annoying as Feminists in comics can be, this just goes to show that they've got a point. Imagine being a young woman and accepting work from Liam Grey, only to have this happen to you.

The funniest part is that he makes his "romantic" pass, she flatly turns him down. No interest. None. Liam then worries that he's blown their friendship, and she, probably hoping to keep her gig, reassures him and gives him an inch. He takes a mile. "fUcK yOuR bRaInS oUt!!!"

I also liked Liam's confession that most women only like him because he's "good at sex and has money."

Liam is going to try to blame gay ops for being outed as a sex pest. He's going to try this approach with every woman that works with him.

He's never dropping any DM's. If he was ever going to be "assed", not "asked", it would be now when the accusation is fresh. Saying he can't be bothered to defend himself says a shit ton about what sot of "evidence" he has to pull himself out of this mess.

Liam has no evidence to defend himself with. He's desperately trying to find anyone to blame.

I have a family. I don't DM chicks creepy shit.

How did Liam not realize his rapey DM's would surface? This made up story about having a wife and a kid now and his wife being harassed is straight out of the schizophrenia playbook.

 

[Absurdity]

Liam's manic for sure. He's the kind of guy who exists almost entirely based on other people's weaknesses and his propensity for taking full advantage of them. When you find him stealing, sleazing, or larping you can be assured he will retaliate with some variation of schizo-conspiracy theories, bald-faced lying, false-flagging, or... more grand standing. The man is stuck in a no self-worth self-fulfilling prophecy cycle. Comicsgate might as well have been a gigantic neon welcome sign for him and now that he managed to garner some actual success for himself by roping in an extremely talented but naive artist, he's ready to finance his very own chapter and slagging every other person who isn't completely in his camp. He's like a mini Ethan only far more dependent on the talents of others and far, far, far more idiotic and volatile.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Liam's manic for sure. He's the kind of guy who exists almost entirely based on other people's weaknesses and his propensity for taking full advantage of them. When you find him stealing, sleazing, or larping you can be assured he will retaliate with some variation of schizo-conspiracy theories, bald-faced lying, false-flagging, or... more grand standing. The man is stuck in a no self-worth self-fulfilling prophecy cycle. Comicsgate might as well have been a gigantic neon welcome sign for him and now that he managed to garner some actual success for himself by roping in an extremely talented but naive artist, he's ready to finance his very own chapter and slagging every other person who isn't completely in his camp. He's like a mini Ethan only far more dependent on the talents of others and far, far, far more idiotic and volatile.

IMO you're giving him way too much credit. Liam isn't some Bane-level supervillain any more than Frog is. Dude has real mental/brain-damage issues that fuel his delusions of grandeur. The internet allows that - amplified by us - enabled by places like this - that exist solely to complain and laugh at people like him. Call it the circle of Internet Life or whatever. We make Liam famous. It would be tragic if it weren't so fucking funny.

 

[Absurdity]

IMO opinion you're giving him way too much credit. Liam isn't some Bane-level supervillain any more than Frog is. Dude has real mental/brain-damage issues that fuel his delusions of grandeur. The internet allows that - amplified by us - fueled by places like this - that exist solely to complain and laugh at people like him. Call it the circle of Internet Life or whatever. We make Liam famous. It would be tragic if it weren't so fucking funny.

Ethan actually made Liam famous, we help keep him in the mix. More than laughing or complaining, it's usually a good idea to have extra eyes on the bad acts of the world. Neither one are supervillains, you're right about that. At the core level they both have a compulsion to use people. That's my main issue at any rate. You don't have to be super smart, you just have to be willing to lie to people's faces and twist the knife when they trust you enough to turn their back. You can't be a complete moron but you still have to have the ability to convince people to give you a shot. Ethan as I've said before has a few legitimate hooks to snag with. Liam's first major hook was latching onto Ethan's flipper. But as we seen in previous breaches, Ethan eventually splashed him off. What got Liam in the door with EVS was that he was a die-hard simp and he also had the amazing good fortune in meeting up with Ody and made sure he didn't lose him before the monga was completed.

Ethan for his part does follow through with the actual production of the comic book and makes sure he pays the people who work for him and delivers the promised product without any problems to report. All the drama with Ethan is in the promotion and the marketing. He'll use it to find cover for the gayops, but if you are vital to his operation he won't use it. Liam's drama is all consuming, he doesn't have that major hook of being "the most talented voice in Comicsgate" (EVS) anymore. He's got enough cunning to get where he's at, though Ody has seen the light... somewhat. I'm thinking it won't be long now, but he could always surprise me. Cecil has been keeping out of trouble lately so there is that.

Maybe it's true that we turn into the worst versions of ourselves not when times are rough but when they're the best days we've ever had. Since his intro to CG and especially right now, Liam has been riding on a high of critical and financial success. His overconfidence could really come into play here. Liam's got that perfect balance of pride, malice and ineptitude that may in time blossom into our very own version of Ethan Ralph. We haven't seen chemical dependency yet, but he can always pick that up as his mental health spirals further down the internet asylum. In the meantime his creative bellyflops are nearly of equal entertainment value.

 

[damian]

Liam was honeypotted. That's a word now.

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Honeypotted is basically the same as catfishing, you intentionally flirt with someone to get something from them. Seeing as NW didn't get payed for her work and kept shooting down his advances, Lydilol2 is a dumbass.

#TrustThePlan

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Liam's got that perfect balance of pride, malice and ineptitude that may in time blossom into our very own version of Ethan Ralph. We haven't seen chemical dependency yet, but he can always pick that up as his mental health spirals further down the internet asylum. In the meantime his creative bellyflops are nearly of equal entertainment value.

Go look at his twittererrs. He just posted a wall's worth of somebody else's song lyrics that I couldn't screencap in one shot and make fit. It's like 3 pages. Plagiarist Poet Laureate. "On Fiirrreee". Things aren't going well.

https://twitter.com/RetroBoy1983/with_replies

 

[Jub-Jub]

Malin's fulfillment service runs $10/book and includes gemini mailer and postage. So $8k instead of $27k-$29k plus his supplies/postage

I think the issue is the book length. I don't see how it's possible to pay an artist the equivalent standard page rate on a profit-share agreement for a 200-page book as opposed to the usual 48-page book.

Would Ody have a valid complaint if Xenotype were only 48-pages?

People told Liam he was retarded for mailing out of Australia and IIRC that includes people in this thread. I don't know exactly how Liam chose to package up his parcel or the exact weight, but an online estimate using printninja standard GN settings puts it over 500g for the book alone. Using Auspost online calculator that puts him in the medium satchel category at $36.9AUD (~$29US) per package to US/CAN/UK and at Dongs final estimate.

If it was a 48page book I'd assume the final backing total would've been lower so it's hard to tell, but the shipping would still have been a bitch. If going the 48pg route he might have been able to get it in as a <500g letter (book and gemini estimate) for $20AUD a parcel and a ~$15k AUD P&H bill.

As creators do read this thread, let this be another reason for the importance of proper budgeting to minimise costs / taxes, maximise profits, and the importance of contracts.

I'm having a hard time believing a female was willing to spread her legs to fornicate with the rampaging, unending autism that is Liam Gray.

I don't believe Liam got his leg over, but Australia is full of Bogans that might give him a chance.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

If it was a 48page book I'd assume the final backing total would've been lower so it's hard to tell, but the shipping would still have been a bitch. If going the 48pg route he might have been able to get it in as a <500g letter (book and gemini estimate) for $20AUD a parcel and a ~$15k AUD P&H bill.

You're right about shipping. My book length posit was about Ody's beef. He spent three years drawing 200+ pages for a pittance per page. It wouldn't have been such a pittance or taken as long had it only been 48 pages. His virtual equivalent page rate based on the profit-split would've made more sense.

 

[Newman's Own]

I have a family. I don't DM chicks creepy shit.

No one asked.

No one cares.

EDIT:
Just read the Monster MD/Shinobi Sasquatch crossover. It's about what I expected. Cheesy dialogue, multiple awkward exposition dumps and next to no story. About as good as the worst written team up stories you read from Marvel, DC or Image back in the day.

The art is decent though. It'd be cool to read something with this artist and an actual writer. Hoping Shinobi Sasquatch comes out more professional if the art ever gets finished and the book ships.

Spoiler: Exposition dump/cheesy dialogue

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

Even with all the drama, this is why we need comicsgate.

 

[Marissa Moira]

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Even with all the drama, this is why we need comicsgate.

Isn't that the angry crying wojak face in a wig?

 

[cow-wannabe]

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Even with all the drama, this is why we need comicsgate.

Art looks pretty good, and if the story's good then I'm sold. A black lass talking about her problems with the mental health system should be an interesting read.

The reason CG was supposed to exist was an alternative to cookie-cutter corporate comics that use the illusion of 'trendy politics' to sell substandard shite from hypocritical corporations. It was supposed to be a stand against race-to-the-bottom art and writing, and a return to quality and originality, not to mention a return to respect for the customer and the creator, and call for value for money for the buyers and value of work for the producers.

I'm sorry Jon, but your vision of CG as a series of 'serial-numbers filed off' fan-wanks devoid of originality and offering nothing but nostalgia is one of the things that sent CG spiralling into the gutter.