Dr. Kathy Rumer, DO / "The Butcher of Ardmore" / Rumer Gender Surgery / Rumer Cosmetic Surgery / Delaware Valley Aesthetics, PLLC - Sex-reassignment surgeon notorious for botched surgeries, constantly suing and being sued

[gaystoner]

Can 'Genitalia Butcher' be added as one of her subtitles?

 

[Berserker Armor]

For those of you who dont know: metoid plasty reroutes the urethra and builds a megaclit or micropeen depending upon how you see it

theres actually 4 diff versions of this surgery. it also can only be done after the clit is larger from t. its considered quicker (and cheaper) then getting a inflatable meatstick and looks like you shaved a hot dog or just really moved the clit from it's hood. getting the urethea rerouted actually does not make it easier to stand up to piss and one version which seem to be the versions she has done requires sewing up the vagina with scroto which required them putting expanders in ur labia to make room for the silicone balls


source, healthline explains it well but uses coping language just call it a clit not a fucking penis

 

[theshep]

Another incompetent hack-job:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgende...b0/postop_dysphoria_with_kathy_rumer_results/

Rumer failed to remove all the erectile tissue at what was once the base of this troon's penis. So whenever he gets aroused, it bulges outward.
This is considered a really amateur mistake apparently. And she refused to do a revision, lol.

Just looking at another post from that Redditor.

Imagine that. "Oh yeah, it's totally normal for some of what's left of your genitals to die off."

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

They're insane and mindlessly defend anyone who validates their insanity. They scream down anyone mutilated by this butcher as well. Even when they don't outright join the 41% they hate themselves and those in their community so much they'd rather cover up for a butcher than risk driving away the quacks who are willing to do cock chops.

The problem with prosecuting any medical malpractice case (or any kind of malpractice against a professional such as a lawyer) is you have to argue not that the defendant acted merely negligently, but that they specifically fell short of professional standards. While these are, on paper, supposed to be actually much higher than what is expected of a normal tortfeasor, the difficulty is it requires actual testimony from a professional that knows the field in question and is willing to testify against other practitioners in that field that according to his own medical knowledge, the defendant failed to act according to professional standards.

The defendant has to find another professional willing to testify that the defendant acted according to those standards.

A mere adverse result isn't enough, especially when there's probably a foot high stack of disclaimers the patient had to sign before the surgery would happen, guaranteeing no specific result and disclosing that negative outcomes do occur. This stack of papers takes precedence over whatever nonsense the quack stated orally, or testimonials on their website from supposedly satisfied patients (I believe they often get these testimonials right after the surgery before the anesthesia wears off).

The problem with expert testimony in this field is there are effectively no objective professional standards for this crap. And there are serious and potentially career-ending political implications for a doctor who chose to take up testifying in med-mal cases against this kind of surgeon.

I do think eventually there will be a cottage industry of litigating malpractice against these butchers, but it will require a critical mass of potential plaintiffs, some fancy ambulance chasing, and enough business that at least a few doctors can basically give up their practices to be full-time expert witnesses in these cases.

Sure, but retired doctors, non-practicing doctors and surgical nurses are all usually happy to collect fat fees to give expert testimony against other doctors in malpractice cases. The anti-trans slant, you are proto-gatekeeping by testifying against a GRS surgeon is an interesting factor to consider for keeping experts from participating in cases, but I’m sure for the right price there will be willing experts. (ESP because they can frame it as “protecting the trans community” from bad surgeons.

But the battle of the experts is more key in cases where the damage is less severe or could be argued it may have occurred without any direct negligence of the doctors. When a patient is a drooling idiot, lost use of limbs, got sepsis thanks to sponges being left inside, coded on the table because a surgeon knicked their spleen/didn’t notice a hemorrhage, etc...those cases don’t hinge on experts so much and much of the damage/injury can be easily understood by the average juror or judge.

Trying to argue injury on a surgery that’s about destroying physically healthy tissue to create something to ease a psychological issue...that’s some really strange territory to enter.

I’m convinced that the patients are basically signing off on legal agreements that as long as their functioning penis is removed and they don’t die - it’s all good. The only guarantee is no more penis and balls. Like whatever they manage to do with the penis tissue- deal with it and like it because there are zero guarantees other than it will be surgically obliterated and urine will still be expelled somehow.

The fact that extreme amounts of home after care and months and years of constant dilation are required make it pretty easy to lay any issues on the doorstep of the patient not following their instructions.

If there does develop a cottage industry of lawsuits against GRS surgeons it will shut down the entire enterprise. I think the reason GRS is proliferating is because there’s almost no way to sue the doctors afterwards, save for the grossest of negligence that results in death. They can make lots of money for little risk.

For many many years there were very few doctors who performed GRS because not much money and very high risk for something seen as weird, understudied and dangerous. Most America patients went to Asia for surgery. Then Medicaid and many insurance companies started covering the procedures so suddenly you have a lot more doctors getting into the industry.

How many doctors now perform MTF surgeries in the USA? There used to be like two in the entire country. Now it seems like they are popping up in every state - esp states that allow Medicaid coverage of it.

Rumer’s entire practice has sprung up thanks to PA approving Medicaid coverage of GRS in 2016.

If you’re a poor Medicaid patient in PA she’s probably your only choice if you want your dick cut off. So her clientele skews poor which means they are less likely to have the resources to pursue legal recourse. Med-mal attorneys who work on contingency going to a jury with “my client’s frakenvag doesn’t work good and is stinky” isn’t going to win lots of sympathy or big settlements. No jury cares that a troon can’t take a 10 inch cock in their neovag. Also, pretty easy to take apart the typical troon on the stand too, make the reputation dragging they do to rape victims look like a tea party.

 

[AnOminous]

I can’t imagine another stinkditch butcher going on the stand and establishing any kind of standards that could then be used against them.

I can, but only if there were lots of money in it. Money is great lube.

Sure, but retired doctors, non-practicing doctors and surgical nurses are all usually happy to collect fat fees to give expert testimony against other doctors in malpractice cases. The anti-trans slant, you are proto-gatekeeping by testifying against a GRS surgeon is an interesting factor to consider for keeping experts from participating in cases, but I’m sure for the right price there will be willing experts. (ESP because they can frame it as “protecting the trans community” from bad surgeons.

It's the right price part that's missing so far. Even a retired doctor doesn't want to be vilified as a twanzfobic monster, an issue that does not occur in normal medical malpractice. Nobody is going to threaten to burn down the house of a doctor who testifies that another doctor who left a hemostat in someone's insides when they sutured them up actually fucked up.

 

[The Ether Is Real]

I guess we know where Yaniv stole his neovag pics from.

Trying to argue injury on a surgery that’s about destroying physically healthy tissue to create something to ease a psychological issue...that’s some really strange territory to enter.

I’m convinced that the patients are basically signing off on legal agreements that as long as their functioning penis is removed and they don’t die - it’s all good. The only guarantee is no more penis and balls. Like whatever they manage to do with the penis tissue- deal with it and like it because there are zero guarantees other than it will be surgically obliterated and urine will still be expelled somehow.

The fact that extreme amounts of home after care and months and years of constant dilation are required make it pretty easy to lay any issues on the doorstep of the patient not following their instructions.

If there does develop a cottage industry of lawsuits against GRS surgeons it will shut down the entire enterprise. I think the reason it’s proliferating is because there’s almost no way to sue the doctors afterwards, save for the grossest of negligence.

The fact that a lot of these people don't immediately go to the ER for infections and fucking NECROSIS is the most baffling part to me. I don't think people like that are the types to read a contract. Maybe we can get a look at one of her contracts somewhere. If anything this will end with a judge saying she took on too many patients, and needing to have room to revise botched surgeries. If I had to guess probably 20% of these people's patients are patients because they need revisions.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I guess we know where Yaniv stole his neovag pics from.


The fact that a lot of these people don't immediately go to the ER for infections and fucking NECROSIS is the most baffling part to me. I don't think people like that are the types to read a contract. Maybe we can get a look at one of her contracts somewhere. If anything this will end with a judge saying she took on too many patients, and needing to have room to revise botched surgeries. If I had to guess probably 20% of these people's patients are patients because they need revisions.

Yeah, I’d love to see the paperwork that is being signed by these patients. You’d think copies of all of it would be given to the patients but I bet that’s not the case. If it is then all these patients bitching about the doctor need to start uploading the paperwork ASAP.

I’d also bet the paper work is comparable in volume to a house closing. They are probably signing a fucking Bible size stack of paper that they don’t read a word of.

We do know that binding arbitration/mediation is part of it thanks to the few legal cases found so far, which say a lot about exactly what rights the troons are signing away in the doctor’s office.

 

[Putin Bot]

Don't forget that stinkditches aren't just penile skin, but also are constructed with the colon, intestinal lining, whatever the fuck they decide to put in there. I heard now they're trying to use fish skin to make neovaginas. I can't blame doctors wanting to nope out of this shit, especially because how the fuck can you fix something made with different shit taken out of your body and just shoved into a hole that was never meant to be there? I'm sure doctors are terrified of speaking out, then being told, "Well, just fix it" and then having to admit they can't, because they have no idea if they'd just further damage the patient. There is going to be a huge backlash against the medical community, and I have no doubt there will be a lot of mistrust towards doctors because of this trans shit.

And the shitty thing is, the entire medical industry will be viewed as complicit in all this. Obviously with current climate, the doctors speaking out have been fired or silenced, so it's a bit difficult for them to voice their concerns, but people will forget all that, and claim these doctors stood by and did nothing to stop it.

Yeah, I’d love to see the paperwork that is being signed by these patients. You’d think copies of all of it would be given to the patients but I bet that’s not the case. I’d also bet the paper work is comparable in volume to a house closing. They are probably signing a fucking Bible size stack of paper.

All they have to do is sign Informed Consent (sounds really creepy doesn't it?) forms, and they're good to go. Some surgeons do require that you get a shrink to sign off on it, but the troon cult will tell those seeking SRS on how to get their shrink to sign off on it. Basically Informed Consent forms state you waive all responsibility off the doctor and onto yourself. Imagine if they did this with lobotomies.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

There are very few doctors who do what they do because they enjoy making people feel better. All these people are in it for the money, that's it.

 

[DogPlant]

I guess we know where Yaniv stole his neovag pics from.


The fact that a lot of these people don't immediately go to the ER for infections and fucking NECROSIS is the most baffling part to me. I don't think people like that are the types to read a contract. Maybe we can get a look at one of her contracts somewhere. If anything this will end with a judge saying she took on too many patients, and needing to have room to revise botched surgeries. If I had to guess probably 20% of these people's patients are patients because they need revisions.

People are dumb and will believe anything someone in a lab coat tells them (see the Milgram experiment).
That's what makes the part about her insisting "die off" is normal so horrifying. She probably knows if she says it's fine, they will believe her, despite potentially life-threatening consequences.

If your patient calls you post-surgery and says "Hey, this large chuck of tissue is falling off and smells." Your response should be "Holy shit call 911."

 

[AnOminous]

If your patient calls you post-surgery and says "Hey, this large chuck of tissue is falling off and smells." Your response should be "Holy shit call 911."

But that's what a real doctor would do. A quack butcher wants to avoid any scrutiny. Take two estrogens and call me in the morning is what a troon "doctor" does. Minus the "call me in the morning" part.

 

[wopirish]

If I'm not mistaken many of the companies that produce the hormone supplements are the same ones that produced opiods? How very convenient if thats the case. But in reality this whole thing is extremely lucrative to everyone involved. This Rumer character is able to afford a near million dollar house with all the lavish bullshit she could ever dream of with absolutely none of the malpractice insurance or legal hangups/hurdles of being an actual surgeon.

Its just insulting that medicare/medicaid are covering this stuff and everyone is happy to play along and make bank off of mentally ill people instead of actually getting them the help they need.

I just can't help but imagine in about a decade when many of the most vocal proponents of the SRS end up 41% themselves and the trans community can no longer cover it up so rabidly. The glut of impressionable teenagers who say for example just wanted to be tomboys but ended up getting their tits lopped off and vag turned inside out like sausage is going to be mind boggling. I don't know, I just feel apathetic pity towards the people who end up getting the SRS though because of their actions towards others.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

theres actually 4 diff versions of this surgery. it also can only be done after the clit is larger from t. its considered quicker (and cheaper) then getting a inflatable meatstick and looks like you shaved a hot dog or just really moved the clit from it's hood. getting the urethea rerouted actually does not make it easier to stand up to piss and one version which seem to be the versions she has done requires sewing up the vagina with scroto which required them putting expanders in ur labia to make room for the silicone balls
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source, healthline explains it well but uses coping language just call it a clit not a fucking penis

"Free the clitoris from the surrounding tissue" is not something I ever want to read again. I know there's at least one hentai like that and I didn't want to believe it could be a real medical procedure.
"Skin graft from the mouth", Jesus Christ.

 

[AnOminous]

I just can't help but imagine in about a decade when many of the most vocal proponents of the SRS end up 41% themselves and the trans community can no longer cover it up so rabidly.

It wouldn't be the first time absolute quackery became publicly popular and every bit of it ended up to be nonsense. There once was an absolute lunatic named Henry Cotton, who invented a deranged theory that all mental illness was from your teeth or other insane bullshit.

He would "treat" people with mental illness by just jerking out their teeth with pliers and other crazy bullshit like that. He was a huge star in mental health treatment for this, by the way. He was basically mainstream. He didn't limit himself to teeth. He'd just remove your spleen, tonsils, cut out parts of your colon, other absolute Mengele-level shit like that, and the media loved him.

Don't believe me? Look up "Henry Cotton" and do some of your own research. If you don't come back horrified, I'll be amazed.

Psychotherapist = psycho the rapist.

The fact that troonery is now considered completely okay is no huge development in American lunacy. We have been absolutely fucking insane in the way we "treat" mental illness for a long time.

 

[sarcasticslipandslide]

Imagine if they did this with lobotomies.

It would probably be cheaper and more effective at this rate.

 

[AnOminous]

It would probably be cheaper and more effective at this rate.

Sometimes I wish we could turn the clock back so I could have a lobotomy. Imagine the fun that I could have being completely retarded instead of just half-retarded.

 

[Mediocre]

I don't know much about troon surgery but this surgeon is always responsible for the bad results I have seen posted around. She's a true butcher, I think she must secretly hate troons or something and does it for the lols.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

The problem with expert testimony in this field is there are effectively no objective professional standards for this crap.

Yep. Every genital butcher has their own technique.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't know much about troon surgery but this surgeon is always responsible for the bad results I have seen posted around. She's a true butcher, I think she must secretly hate troons or something and does it for the lols.

I'm conflicted on whether I should constantly denounce her as a monstrous Mengele or just laugh as she mutilates disgusting troons and then forces them to approve of her abominable mutilations.

I wish I could view this as mere fun and laugh at retards doing horrible things to themselves but this is actually beginning to bug me.

 

[sarcasticslipandslide]

I wish I could view this as mere fun and laugh at retards doing horrible things to themselves but this is actually beginning to bug me.

You really would hope that there was some sort of punishment for these people, be it ostracization or losing licenses, but no. I am friends with several trans-identified people and it's just sad to see how far they'll go to chase some so-called "relief" from their mental torture. The one has told me that they foresee killing themselves in the future anyways, so why not chase the dream and try to achieve happiness while they still can?