Game of Thrones Thread

[SmugAutist]

I've seen IPs become irrelevant. I've seen IPs becoming unpopular. I've seen IPs being ruined. But GoT is a rare instance where something so drastic happened to an IP, it imploded so quickly and so thoroughly, it pretty much vanished from the public's minds and no one even really thinks much about it despite it dominating the media landscape for a decade.
Not even Disney's continued fuck-ups with Star Wars had this much of an effect. I still can't fathom that and I'd love to see the number of sales for merchandise over time.
Come season 8, there must be a drop in sales that makes the graph look like the cliffs of Dover.

GoT was a special case, but it's so different from other examples. You can, as a Star Wars fan, choose when to stop watching Star Wars and still have a satisfying ending. Whether that's only the original trilogy or you include the prequels along with the old EU. With the Simpsons, you can say that everything went to shit after Season 10 but at least those first 10 seasons were worth seeing.

GoT's final seasons fucked up everything. You can't go back and enjoy the good times knowing what the conclusion will be. You can't enjoy the threat of the White Walkers again. You can't get enthralled about Jaimie's character progression again. You can't theorize about the potential of Jon's parentage again, etc. One bad ending fucked everything up.

I mean, not even the book fans are excited anymore.

 

[Travoltron]

all down the shitter because D&D wanted to fuck off and work on some Soy Wars (...allegedly).

I just want to correct this one error that is often repeated. D&D wanted to fuck off and work on their own show, Confederate. This was a tone-deaf show that absolutely nobody wanted or asked for, but it would have been their own IP and they thought they could get rich off of this horrible concept without having to split royalties with someone like GRR Martin.

 

[God of Nothing]

I've seen IPs become irrelevant. I've seen IPs becoming unpopular. I've seen IPs being ruined. But GoT is a rare instance where something so drastic happened to an IP, it imploded so quickly and so thoroughly, it pretty much vanished from the public's minds and no one even really thinks much about it despite it dominating the media landscape for a decade.
Not even Disney's continued fuck-ups with Star Wars had this much of an effect. I still can't fathom that and I'd love to see the number of sales for merchandise over time.
Come season 8, there must be a drop in sales that makes the graph look like the cliffs of Dover.

You perfectly described the utter catastrophe that was Season 8. I applaud you, good sir.

A part of me doesn't blame D&D, even though they are largely responsible. If George had just finished the novels instead of his spin-offs, the entire show would've been far more different. Fuck me, it'd still be seen in a good light even if they went full retard.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

You perfectly described the utter catastrophe that was Season 8. I applaud you, good sir.

A part of me doesn't blame D&D, even though they are largely responsible. If George had just finished the novels instead of his spin-offs, the entire show would've been far more different. Fuck me, it'd still be seen in a good light even if they went full retard.

It really was the combination of George being a slacker and D&D going full retard that did them in. If just one or the other fucked up there would still be fans. It’s interesting to see how even GoT YouTubers have jumped ship.

 

[God of Nothing]

It really was the combination of George being a slacker and D&D going full retard that did them in. If just one or the other fucked up there would still be fans. It’s interesting to see how even GoT YouTubers have jumped ship.

Alt Shift X is still active, though he is admittedly dull outside of his semi-drunk readings and video design.

 

[YMB]

Glad I never got into this show since by all accounts the last couple seasons were complete shit since they didn't have GRRM's novels to go off of. I really enjoyed the TellTale GoT game, though, and am sad there will never be a sequel.

 

[Gar For Archer]

If George had just finished the novels instead of his spin-offs, the entire show would've been far more different.

Fuck me, Game of Thrones is the Homestuck of mainstream media.

> be some fat boomer Hussie
> create well-liked property subverting the tropes of an existing genre, praised for being "unconventional" and for not being afraid to kill off its characters
> the story grows wildly out of scope of your original plans and you have no fucking clue how to tie the story back to the ending you'd initially planned
> wait when did this become my magnum opus?
> get bored and frustrated with your lack of progress, decide to distract yourself by working on other projects... when you finish those you'll probably get your mojo back right, haha
> nope still writer blocked
> give your author's notes to other people in hopes that they can finish your story for you after procrastinating for a few years with no news... fuck the fans are getting impatient
> they're fucking incompetent and your story devolves into a shitfest that follows all the same tropes you went out of your way to subvert earlier and god damn are the fans pissed
> those side projects didn't even work out because nobody cares about your IP anymore
> tfw

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I always liked comparing GoT with Darling in the Franxx in terms of how a bungled ending pretty much completely wiped a show from memory, but this post made me realize they're not even in the same league. One of these is a one-season show that was enjoyed by weebs on the Internet in a community where even good shows are regularly consoomed and forgotten in the tidal wave that is seasonal anime... The other was a legit decade-long cultural phenomenon that literally everyone in the West is aware of even if they haven't watched or read it. It was easily on the way to becoming the next Harry Potter or Star Wars with respect to its long-term cultural impact... all down the shitter because D&D wanted to fuck off and work on some Soy Wars (...allegedly). Bet that's working out real well for them now.

Nah, I still see some Franxx waifu posting. While even GoT memes are super rare, which is usually a sign of irredeemable media when it comes to big productions.
I think GoT is what happens when the copium wears out. It's not just a bad final season, it's that already from the halfway point it dropped sharply in quality and people thought the ending will make up for it.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

It really was the combination of George being a slacker and D&D going full retard that did them in. If just one or the other fucked up there would still be fans. It’s interesting to see how even GoT YouTubers have jumped ship.

Yeah, as long as people were waiting for the release of new books, they could stave off their impatience and frustration about Martin's shite work ethic by distracting themselves with the show. And even when important things were dumbed down or dropped, people would argue that the show has to cut corners somewhere due to its limited runtime/budget and after all, this shit will be fixed once the books come out and until then, GoT is the methadone to the ASOIAF-itch that people have.

Then the show imploded and the books are still nowhere to be seen. The entire ASOIAF/GoT-fanbase suddenly had this "The Downfall"-meme moment.

"The storyline in GoT is deviating too much from the books. They dropped various important characters and plotpoints and it's becoming a convoluted mess that slowly reinforces the tropes that ASOIAF set out to subvert."

-"The Battle for Winterfell and the ending will make up for it."
"Mein Fanbase... the Battle for Winterfell..."
>"The episode was an unmitigated desaster, the ending shapes up to be complete garbage."


"Those that have given up on this IP leave the room now."


"Fuck this shit, I should have listened to those fans that said this show went down the shitter once they ditched Tysha from Tyrion's and Tywin's last dialogue! How can these two Dumb&Dumber chucklefucks ruin the ending after wasting so many years of my life?! This show was so amazing in the early seasons, I thought they'd pull it all together towards the end, all I wanted was a decent fucking ending for this show until the books come out... Martin has started rewriting his existing script and the release of the books has been delayed indefinetly... Even if it ever comes out, it will be hot garbage. I'm done, I'm so fucking done."

Glad I never got into this show since by all accounts the last couple seasons were complete shit since they didn't have GRRM's novels to go off of. I really enjoyed the TellTale GoT game, though, and am sad there will never be a sequel.

Things started to go pear-shaped during season 4 and 5, stuff became worse but never truly bad until season 6 and 7 - and even those were still pretty watchable. Everyone was hoping for a satisfying end, that would tie up everything.

GoT/ASOIAF started out with very realistic foundations to everyday aspects such as travel times, logistics, issues of supplying troops with food and shelter and decisions had realistic and logical consequences. At a certain point, characters like Ramsay Bolton became way too powerful, illogical stuff just happened to move the plot along, bad decisions only backfired if convenient for the plot, characters were kept despite the writers having no clue what to do with them (Tyrion being the biggest offender, he spends the last 2 seasons being utterly worthless), but even so, there were glimmers of hope. S8E2 was one of my favorite episodes for showing warriors preparing for a last desperate battle. It had a nice somber atmosphere.
Then, the next episode was so utterly bad, I ditched the show even though it was only 3 more episodes - and it turns out I got out just in the nick of time before the show truly started to hit rock bottom.

And as has been said, you can't really rewatch the show from the beginning and stop watching in the middle once it goes bad, cause you'd not have closure for anything and everything that is enjoyable about those episodes (like Tyrion and Jaime's storylines) will turn to shit, so there is no way to get emotionally invested any longer.

Nah, I still see some Franxx waifu posting. While even GoT memes are super rare, which is usually a sign of irredeemable media when it comes to big productions.
I think GoT is what happens when the copium wears out. It's not just a bad final season, it's that already from the halfway point it dropped sharply in quality and people thought the ending will make up for it.

"The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference" is my favorite line when it comes to this.
Even the SW prequels got memes out the ass, with the sequels, there is nothing.
And I agree, the bad ending pulled the veil from everyone's eyes and they had to accept how bad a lot of the things had been all along. You can hope for a satisfying conclusion making up for bad decisions, but once the lackluster conclusion shits on the carpet, you just have to admit that it wasn't worth it and hasn't been worth it for a long time.

Up to S8E3, I was genuinely wondering how they'd tie up the story, causee defeating the White Walkers before defeating Cersei would never be a satisfying ending. I expected Winterfell to fall, some main characters to escape (maybe via dragon), to fall back and ultimately it ending with a siege on Kings Landing. lolno. Wine-aunt Cersei is the ultimate threat to Westeros and the literal embodiment of Death and his Army of Darkness, prophesized for Eight. Thousand. YEARS. is not even a speedbump to the protagonists.

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

The biggest disappointment for me in the end was Jaime. What was the point? I can’t even intellectualize about it now because there is no point.

They stole my autism.

My Gautism, if you will.

Now all I can sperg about is the fact that I can’t sperg about it. This has caused me material harm, obviously.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

In retrospect, even though I did not admit it to myself at the time, the moment I should’ve realized it was all going to be ruined and stopped lying to myself and making excuses is probably later than most...but it was when we finally got to see Casterly Rock, and the Ds did not even care about it.

This was so easy to get right, just have some art done that makes it look impressive. It’s supposed to be *incredible*. But the thing is, the Ds did not even realize that. That is the extent to which they weren’t fans and did not understand fans. So, Casterly Rock was treated like nothing, because they did not know it should be something.

The carelessness. The lack of quality control. Another leading indicator is when after years of following along with GRRM’s fairly realistic treatment of travel times, suddenly when they ran out of GRRM, you could pretty much live in Winterfell and commute to work in King’s Landing every day if you wanted.

The biggest disappointment for me in the end was Jaime. What was the point? Jaime’s POV during AFFC is my absolute favorite. I can’t even intellectualize about it now because there is no point.

That reminds me. The utter jettisoning of any and all character development in serieses 7 and 8.

Series 5 was kind of wonky because it was the home of the BAAAAAAAD POOSEH and the general half-arsed treatment of the Dorne plot. As well as the 3edgy5me "lol let's force Theon to watch Sanda get raped" nonsense. Yes, it's kind of in character for Ramsay to do something like that but we already knew he was an evil cunt. It just felt like they were trying to be gratuitously grimdark and that particular scene doesn't lead anywhere anyhow. There is a blip in the viewing figures as people turned off specifically from that episode.

Series 6 was actually quite good, possibly because there was actually some urgency in there to finish this thing, and GRRM's notes on what happens after A Dance with Dragons are probably fairly complete. I don't know how much of series 6 is actually his and how much is Dumb & Dumber's fan fiction, but I'd say it's a preponderance of the former. The fact that there's a deadline with the TV show actually puts some motivation to not go full Wheel of Time and have entire books where literally nothing happens (though arguably that bridge was crossed with A Feast for Crows.)

Series 7 was where the wheels started to come off. They were clearly phoning it in by then, but we gave them a pass because better it be wonky but setting up for le epic final battle than entire serieses where nothing happens, right? Wrong. We had to deal with Cersei as the final boss (lol wut), an entire episode of Dany walking up stairs, Tyrion acting like a burbling idiot, and then BOATSEX. And it still managed to be an entire series where nothing happened.

Series 8 was an utter trashfire. It started with TWO episodes where nothing happened just to prick-tease us, then the mess of stupidity that was The Long Night which was foiled solely because Arya managed to teleport somehow and was written by people who could at least have done some test runs in Total Warhammer custom battles to work out how they might beat a horde of ten million zombies that only die to fire and obsidian, and then it got worse. Jamie decided to shit all over his arc from series 3 and go back to being Cersei's boy toy, Brienne was left sobbing in a bathrobe after OATHSEX because reasons, Cersei spent the entire series looking out a window, and Daenerys gets fucking TRIGGERED BY BELLS. Come on, if you're going to have her be all le Targaryen madness, at least foreshadow it properly.

And then, the crowning turd in the waterpipe, Bran the Wheely Wheely Legs No Feely. Who didn't want anything any more. Why. Why.

Oh, and Jon Snurr goes back to the Night's Watch, and if the glad eye that that spearwife is giving him is any indication, spends the rest of his life hanging out at the wall and banging hot wildling women.

It is a sad indictment that the last actual dialogue in the series is Tyrion repeating his line about bringing a jackass and a honeycomb into a brothel.

I recently found a website from what must have been the late 1990s, early 2000s about how The Wheel of Time was shit and recommending A Song of Ice and Fire as an alternative. Let that sink in a moment. The Wheel of Time might have had its own problems to the point at which it is pretty much a meme (endless infodumps, Nevaeh or whatever the fuck her name is constantly tugging at her braid, Elmindreda being set up as a spunky action gurl then later on having entire chapters where she maunders about how she is in WUV with Rand Al'Thor, names with apostrophes in the middle, entire volumes where literally nothing happens). BUT AT LEAST IT GOT FINISHED, AND FINISHED ACCEPTABLY, IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE. Thanks to Dumb & Dumber, George R. R. Martin's massively lauded and popular trope-subverting and thoroughly inventive fantasy novel series is considered a bigger meme than the all time meme fantasy series, AND ended up having the same problems as said meme books (entire novels where nothing happens, endless infodumps, Myrish swamps and fat pink masts, Jamie being set up as the atoner than going right back to fucking his sister, names that are just random scrambles of consonants, etc.)

This is a level of epic fail that I cannot see being bettered in my lifetime.

 

[buying gf]

GoT/ASOIAF started out with very realistic foundations to everyday aspects such as travel times, logistics, issues of supplying troops with food and shelter and decisions had realistic and logical consequences.

Ehh, GRRM has some fucky time-line/travelling distances too. It mostly doesn't effect much of the plot as it happens unlike in the show, but things like all of Robert's Rebellion occurring in less than a year, where armies just zoom around the map is very silly. Tyrion leaves the Wall at roughly the same time Cat leaves King's Landing, but they both reach the Inn at the Crossroads at exactly the same time.

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

That reminds me. The utter jettisoning of any and all character development in serieses 7 and 8.

Series 5 was kind of wonky because it was the home of the BAAAAAAAD POOSEH and the general half-arsed treatment of the Dorne plot. As well as the 3edgy5me "lol let's force Theon to watch Sanda get raped" nonsense. Yes, it's kind of in character for Ramsay to do something like that but we already knew he was an evil cunt. It just felt like they were trying to be gratuitously grimdark and that particular scene doesn't lead anywhere anyhow. There is a blip in the viewing figures as people turned off specifically from that episode.

Series 6 was actually quite good, possibly because there was actually some urgency in there to finish this thing, and GRRM's notes on what happens after A Dance with Dragons are probably fairly complete. I don't know how much of series 6 is actually his and how much is Dumb & Dumber's fan fiction, but I'd say it's a preponderance of the former. The fact that there's a deadline with the TV show actually puts some motivation to not go full Wheel of Time and have entire books where literally nothing happens (though arguably that bridge was crossed with A Feast for Crows.)

Series 7 was where the wheels started to come off. They were clearly phoning it in by then, but we gave them a pass because better it be wonky but setting up for le epic final battle than entire serieses where nothing happens, right? Wrong. We had to deal with Cersei as the final boss (lol wut), an entire episode of Dany walking up stairs, Tyrion acting like a burbling idiot, and then BOATSEX. And it still managed to be an entire series where nothing happened.

Series 8 was an utter trashfire. It started with TWO episodes where nothing happened just to prick-tease us, then the mess of stupidity that was The Long Night which was foiled solely because Arya managed to teleport somehow and was written by people who could at least have done some test runs in Total Warhammer custom battles to work out how they might beat a horde of ten million zombies that only die to fire and obsidian, and then it got worse. Jamie decided to shit all over his arc from series 3 and go back to being Cersei's boy toy, Brienne was left sobbing in a bathrobe after OATHSEX because reasons, Cersei spent the entire series looking out a window, and Daenerys gets fucking TRIGGERED BY BELLS. Come on, if you're going to have her be all le Targaryen madness, at least foreshadow it properly.

And then, the crowning turd in the waterpipe, Bran the Wheely Wheely Legs No Feely. Who didn't want anything any more. Why. Why.

Oh, and Jon Snurr goes back to the Night's Watch, and if the glad eye that that spearwife is giving him is any indication, spends the rest of his life hanging out at the wall and banging hot wildling women.

It is a sad indictment that the last actual dialogue in the series is Tyrion repeating his line about bringing a jackass and a honeycomb into a brothel.

I recently found a website from what must have been the late 1990s, early 2000s about how The Wheel of Time was shit and recommending A Song of Ice and Fire as an alternative. Let that sink in a moment. The Wheel of Time might have had its own problems to the point at which it is pretty much a meme (endless infodumps, Nevaeh or whatever the fuck her name is constantly tugging at her braid, Elmindreda being set up as a spunky action gurl then later on having entire chapters where she maunders about how she is in WUV with Rand Al'Thor, names with apostrophes in the middle, entire volumes where literally nothing happens). BUT AT LEAST IT GOT FINISHED, AND FINISHED ACCEPTABLY, IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE. Thanks to Dumb & Dumber, George R. R. Martin's massively lauded and popular trope-subverting and thoroughly inventive fantasy novel series is considered a bigger meme than the all time meme fantasy series, AND ended up having the same problems as said meme books (entire novels where nothing happens, endless infodumps, Myrish swamps and fat pink masts, Jamie being set up as the atoner than going right back to fucking his sister, names that are just random scrambles of consonants, etc.)

This is a level of epic fail that I cannot see being bettered in my lifetime.

I can’t even THINK about GOT/ASOIAF anymore and clearly that is how almost everyone feels. That is the level of fail.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Yes, it's kind of in character for Ramsay to do something like that but we already knew he was an evil cunt. It just felt like they were trying to be gratuitously grimdark and that particular scene doesn't lead anywhere anyhow. There is a blip in the viewing figures as people turned off specifically from that episode.

Ramsay's torture porn and some aspects of needlessly gorey stuff (like that pregnant woman getting stabbed in the belly during the Red Wedding) actually turned me off to such a degree, I was about to ditch the show back then, but it kept drawing me back in with great characters like the Hound, Tyrion, Jaime and so on.

the mess of stupidity that was The Long Night which was foiled solely because Arya managed to teleport somehow

I can still hear that autistic screech Arya does during her attack, it's like a banshee's wail proclaiming the death of an entire IP.

Come on, if you're going to have her be all le Targaryen madness, at least foreshadow it properly.

I have to give the show this: It kind of hinted at it a little, when Dany has her dragons devour those that refused to bend the knee after she defeated Cersei's first army.

I still remember thinking to myself "If she disregards the advice of her closest friends and has her dragons eat people simply for being loyal to their liege, she's no better than the Mad King"... and lo and behold...
Then again, I don't think it was intentional. Dumb and Dumber most likely just thought it would be cool to have a scene with a dragon burning a bunch of guys and eating them.

Ehh, GRRM has some fucky time-line/travelling distances too. It mostly doesn't effect much of the plot as it happens unlike in the show, but things like all of Robert's Rebellion occurring in less than a year, where armies just zoom around the map is very silly. Tyrion leaves the Wall at roughly the same time Cat leaves King's Landing, but they both reach the Inn at the Crossroads at exactly the same time.

In his case, it could be somewhat forgiven, since it never is truly aweful. Robert's armies might have already been prepared in advance, given the Mad King's reputation, they might have anticipated a conflict and acted accordingly. In medieval history, tournaments were often used (or feared to be used) as a secret preparation for war. You have many knights and their entourage riding somewhere fully equipped for a mock-war, it's not hard to go "lol fooled you, we're here to siege the castle over there".
After all, could be the same in Westeros, maybe there just so happened to be a lot of "tournaments" close to King's Landing at the time.
Also, the first armies to mobilize were those of the Riverlands and other areas similarly/comparatively close to KL with the other armies reinforcing them over time. It's not unfeasible and as I said, it might be that the armies of the North had partially already set up close to the southern border of their region to "participate" at the "Moat Cailin tournament".

The discrepancy in travel time between Cat and Tyrion might be that Tyrion was beelining down the King's Road with a bit of a headstart while Cat was forced to make a lot of detours off the king's road to throw off any pursuers (she was traveling incognito after all)... yeah, still not very likely to meet where they did at the time they did, but there is a little bit of leeway here at least.

Meanwhile, season 7 and 8 have people literally teleporting across the continent to be wherever the plot needs them to be. Euron is easily the worst offender, as he manages to find a fleet in the middle of the ocean during a foggy night.
And there are hardly any consequences to anything the character do, unless the plot demands it. Cersei can blow up the single most holy place in all of Westeros alongside a major chunk of the nobility and a huge portion of her own city. The resulting fires alone could cause devastation greater than the explosion itself.

The most realistic outcome would be some maid strangling Cersei in her sleep and tossing her bloated wine-aunt corpse off a balcony in revenge for losing half her family during the explosion. Or some guard knifing her in the back Jamie-style as revenge for killing his comrades guarding the ceremony.

ASOIAF is very strongly into the whole "cause and effect" thing, where actions lead to logical results, GoT got further and further away from that and we end up with a show that abondons the very idea of things having a logical payoff altogether - all in the name of "HA! YOU DIDN'T EXPECT THIS, HUH?! WHAT A TWEEEEEST!"

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

GoT was a special case, but it's so different from other examples. You can, as a Star Wars fan, choose when to stop watching Star Wars and still have a satisfying ending. Whether that's only the original trilogy or you include the prequels along with the old EU. With the Simpsons, you can say that everything went to shit after Season 10 but at least those first 10 seasons were worth seeing.

GoT's final seasons fucked up everything. You can't go back and enjoy the good times knowing what the conclusion will be. You can't enjoy the threat of the White Walkers again. You can't get enthralled about Jaimie's character progression again. You can't theorize about the potential of Jon's parentage again, etc. One bad ending fucked everything up.

I mean, not even the book fans are excited anymore.

The closest analogue I can think of is Mass Effect, which effectively self-destructed after 3's abortion of an ending. You'll find many former fans stating that they can't even enjoy the first two games anymore knowing that the way it ends renders it all pointless. Almost overnight the fanbase evaporated like water in the Sahara, and even now these former fans are still pissed about it. You can't even stop at earlier entries due to the fact that they both end on cliffhangers. 3's ending was so bad it not only retroactively made everything meaningless, it also exposed many of the series' writing inadequacies in the process.

Even then though, the Mass Effect series is still limping along. It's nowhere near as big as it was, in between 3 killing all goodwill and BioWare's talent going down the shitter, but it's still alive if only just barely, what with the attempted soft reboot of Andromeda and announcement of a new game. Game of Thrones has nothing to look forward to. The books are likely never going to be finished and the show has left such a big black mark on the story that any hope for the books being any better has dried up. Not only did GoT's ending completely kill the fanbase, it also basically killed the franchise itself since there's probably never going to be anything else after it.

 

[CWCissey]

It's nowhere near as big as it was, in between 3 killing all goodwill and BioWare's talent going down the shitter, but it's still alive if only just barely, what with the attempted soft reboot of Andromeda and announcement of a new game

Rumours of some kind of media property with Henry Cavill too

 

[God of Nothing]

Rumours of some kind of media property with Henry Cavill too

You build one PC and everyone thinks you're the new face of gaming, same way D&D are for hackery. I suppose he's owed one after enduring Snyderman for so long.

 

[TheImportantFart]

The closest analogue I can think of is Mass Effect, which effectively self-destructed after 3's abortion of an ending. You'll find many former fans stating that they can't even enjoy the first two games anymore knowing that the way it ends renders it all pointless. Almost overnight the fanbase evaporated like water in the Sahara, and even now these former fans are still pissed about it. You can't even stop at earlier entries due to the fact that they both end on cliffhangers. 3's ending was so bad it not only retroactively made everything meaningless, it also exposed many of the series' writing inadequacies in the process.

Even then though, the Mass Effect series is still limping along. It's nowhere near as big as it was, in between 3 killing all goodwill and BioWare's talent going down the shitter, but it's still alive if only just barely, what with the attempted soft reboot of Andromeda and announcement of a new game. Game of Thrones has nothing to look forward to. The books are likely never going to be finished and the show has left such a big black mark on the story that any hope for the books being any better has dried up. Not only did GoT's ending completely kill the fanbase, it also basically killed the franchise itself since there's probably never going to be anything else after it.

Lost was a bit like this as well. It was a cultural phenomenon for its first few seasons and the hype around the final season was ridiculous, but the wet fart of the final episode turned loads of people off and it's now only remembered as a particularly infamous example of something that started out good but went off the rails. Interestingly enough, as with Thrones Season 4-5 was roughly the point the rot began to show.

Even with Lost though I come across people who rewatch it in a "it's not the destination, it's the journey" kind of way, because there is some strong character stuff and some good sci-fi concepts even if it doesn't really add up to anything in the end. I haven't come across anyone hankering to rewatch Game of Thrones.

 

[CWCissey]

You build one PC and everyone thinks you're the new face of gaming, same way D&D are for hackery. I suppose he's owed one after enduring Snyderman for so long.

To be fair, Henry Cavill is apparently an insane gamer. He insisted on being Geralt in The Witcher and apparently really digs RPGs, so I can see him being interested in being in any Mass Effect films or shows. Shepard or not (Personally I see the showrunners favouring FemShep, with Cavill providing voice work for Garrus)

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Lost was a bit like this as well. It was a cultural phenomenon for its first few seasons and the hype around the final season was ridiculous, but the wet fart of the final episode turned loads of people off and it's now only remembered as a particularly infamous example of something that started out good but went off the rails. Interestingly enough, as with Thrones Season 4-5 was roughly the point the rot began to show.

Even with Lost though I come across people who rewatch it in a "it's not the destination, it's the journey" kind of way, because there is some strong character stuff and some good sci-fi concepts even if it doesn't really add up to anything in the end. I haven't come across anyone hankering to rewatch Game of Thrones.

I remember that with lost. I’ve blanked a lot of it out of my memory besides my feelings of anger. I memba Heroes was big for a bit too but I can’t remember how it ended or even why I lost interest in it.