Game of Thrones Thread

The thing that killed Game of Thrones is the same thing that's killing Star Trek: the show runners aren't real creatives but instead are the scions of (((money men))) that got control of the property due to their connections. And what did they do with this control? They did most of the writing themselves, instead of trying to find the best people available.
 
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Sithis said:
Also I forgot to even get into how let down I was by Cleganebowl. I didn't expect Sandor to survive and I liked the little emotional payoff they included where Arya addresses him by name (one of the only times I recall him actually being called Sandor in the show, usually they just call him the Hound or dog), but after expecting that fight for so long, I felt the trial by combat concept would have been better suited. As it was Sandor died an entirely pointless death because there is no way unGregor would have survived the entire roof of the red keep collapsing on him.
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Oh man, Cleganebowl. Now that's a word I haven't read in a long time.

Granted, the memes were hilarious, but the way it was handled was also terrible.
 
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CWCissey said:
And yet it still was probably the best thing in that episode but only because the opening shot looked like the cover of a fucking metal album.
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All I know is that it was pure unnecessary fan service, IIRC the whole Cleganebowl thing started because it was hinted at in the books, but D&D ran with it to appease the fans. So to me the whole thing was amusing, but bittersweet because it showed how much they catered to fans instead of being focused on decent subplots.
 
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CWCissey said:
I would have loved to see that Bran actually hang-glided out of the window.
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In retrospect it's amazing D&D DIDN'T rip off an MST3K movie for inspiration.
 
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whitepumpkin said:
I just read through this entire thread over the last week or so, and man, do I feel bad for everyone who had enjoyed this series. It's surreal to read through it from start to finish and see how it nose-dived into a trainwreck and was ruined so badly for some, they can't even read the books. (:_( It was funny to see the lead-up to the leaks on Season 8, but still. Feels to those who spent so long with the show, only to have it piss in their face.

A couple weeks ago I decided to read the books while I watched the show since I had only seen Season 1 (and forgot most of the books), and it really gave a different light on the series to me. The books are great. Even when there's a bit of rambling, you can get so engrossed you don't notice when you fly by chapters. It's not the greatest piece of literature but from the fantasy genre I can tell why it's so beloved - I think only The First Law series surpasses it in terms of engaging.

But the show I found to be lacking. I enjoyed it for the actors and the two scenes they added were fantastic, which were:

1. Tywin talking to Jamie as he skins a deer
2. Robert and Cersei talking about how their marriage sucks

And I put that solely to the actors having this presence on screen that made it believable. But so much was already being shuffled and cut in the first season. I know TV adaptation means a certain percentage needs to be unique, but you could tell from the start D&D really didn't get the characters in their episodes. The best example I can give is as if they read Rambo and thought the point was he was a killing machine and none of the other subtly. It's pretty bleak and you can see why it went off the rails when they ran out of book to the wreckage it became.

I'm going to read the books and watch the show at the same time until I run out of book, but I agree with a lot of others in this thread who say Martin isn't going to finish. Your best bet is probably fanfiction, as sad as that is. Even today you can tell GRRM would rather do Wild Cards and wished that was his magnum opus rather than ASOIAF, but I guess that just shows how the hype around something can kill it. Sometimes it's best to not adapt anything until it's wrapped up and finished.
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Must be a really weird time capsule of enthusiasm that passes through "These spoilers can't be right, look how fucking dumb this shit is!" into abject horror at the realization that it's even worse.
I guess the moment S8E3 hits, shit goes wild for a couple dozen pages.
 
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IAmNotAlpharius said:
Is this an unofficial lolcow thread for D&D as well as George Martin? Imo they’re threadworthy, especially George with his blog...
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Seems like a good use for George, think the tabletop gaming thread does it's job for D&D lolcow speculation though.
Edit: The show runners are definitely lolcows.

Also I'm just now getting around to reading Elric of Melnibone and holy fucking shit George, what else can you rip off?
 
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Mr. Manchester said:
Seems like a good use for George, think the tabletop gaming thread does it's job for D&D lolcow speculation though.

Also I'm just now getting around to reading Elric of Melnibone and holy fucking shit George, what else can you rip off?
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Sorry, I shouldn’t have used D&D to refer to Dan and Dave.
 
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I've seen IPs become irrelevant. I've seen IPs becoming unpopular. I've seen IPs being ruined. But GoT is a rare instance where something so drastic happened to an IP, it imploded so quickly and so thoroughly, it pretty much vanished from the public's minds and no one even really thinks much about it despite it dominating the media landscape for a decade.
Not even Disney's continued fuck-ups with Star Wars had this much of an effect. I still can't fathom that and I'd love to see the number of sales for merchandise over time.
Come season 8, there must be a drop in sales that makes the graph look like the cliffs of Dover.
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
I've seen IPs become irrelevant. I've seen IPs becoming unpopular. I've seen IPs being ruined. But GoT is a rare instance where something so drastic happened to an IP, it imploded so quickly and so thoroughly, it pretty much vanished from the public's minds and no one even really thinks much about it despite it dominating the media landscape for a decade.
Not even Disney's continued fuck-ups with Star Wars had this much of an effect. I still can't fathom that and I'd love to see the number of sales for merchandise over time.
Come season 8, there must be a drop in sales that makes the graph look like the cliffs of Dover.
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It's hard to know how true this is, since all streaming services are frustratingly obscure about their success, but the rumor is that HBO Max is struggling to keep up with its competitors, as it had banked on massive numbers from Game of Thrones devotees and those numbers just never showed up. I'm not sure I believe it -- they still have a ton of kids' shows, not to mention The Sopranos, Deadwood, The Wire, Sex & the City, and a host of other material (no Dream On, for some reason) -- but between newbies who've been warned away and angry fans who think the show has no rewatch value, it wouldn't be surprising.
 
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Mola Ram said:
It's hard to know how true this is, since all streaming services are frustratingly obscure about their success, but the rumor is that HBO Max is struggling to keep up with its competitors, as it had banked on massive numbers from Game of Thrones devotees and those numbers just never showed up. I'm not sure I believe it -- they still have a ton of kids' shows, not to mention The Sopranos, Deadwood, The Wire, Sex & the City, and a host of other material (no Dream On, for some reason) -- but between newbies who've been warned away and angry fans who think the show has no rewatch value, it wouldn't be surprising.
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They have Chernobyl, but it's cheaper to buy the BluRay than to subscribe to HBO. Wouldn't surprise me if D&D thrust a big dagger in HBOs back and I can't imagine that selling Jon Snow funkopops worked as well after S8 as it did before...
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
I've seen IPs become irrelevant. I've seen IPs becoming unpopular. I've seen IPs being ruined. But GoT is a rare instance where something so drastic happened to an IP, it imploded so quickly and so thoroughly, it pretty much vanished from the public's minds and no one even really thinks much about it despite it dominating the media landscape for a decade.
Not even Disney's continued fuck-ups with Star Wars had this much of an effect. I still can't fathom that and I'd love to see the number of sales for merchandise over time.
Come season 8, there must be a drop in sales that makes the graph look like the cliffs of Dover.
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I always liked comparing GoT with Darling in the Franxx in terms of how a bungled ending pretty much completely wiped a show from memory, but this post made me realize they're not even in the same league. One of these is a one-season show that was enjoyed by weebs on the Internet in a community where even good shows are regularly consoomed and forgotten in the tidal wave that is seasonal anime... The other was a legit decade-long cultural phenomenon that literally everyone in the West is aware of even if they haven't watched or read it. It was easily on the way to becoming the next Harry Potter or Star Wars with respect to its long-term cultural impact... all down the shitter because D&D wanted to fuck off and work on some Soy Wars (...allegedly). Bet that's working out real well for them now.
 
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