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Ruining your childhood, one franchise at a time
Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off
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Personally for me, those fandom menace people hyping the Daily Wire as some kind of future rival to Hollywood is easily for me the most cringeworthy thing I've heard them do. There is no way Ben Shapiro and his little cadre are ever going to compete with Hollywood. It's like believing indie game developers will be able to compete with triple A gaming companies.
It also doesn't help that there is no guarantee there will even be another season of that show with or without Gina. I mean seriously, how long could they drag that stuff on anyway? And yet these folks expect cast members and staff to speak up for her? I mean...that'd be nice sure. Battista, for god knows what reason, spoke up in favor of James Gunn after his dumbass comments were found, but even so, what exactly would be the point of her cast members speaking up for her when there probably won't be a show anymore anyway (also forget any issue with NDAs or simply "Hollywood politics")?
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Gary is maybe the worst of the Fandom shits due to sheer laziness.
No. Jon's just as culpable in all this. No one's putting a gun to his head to work at Disney Lucasfilm. Fuck Jon, for stealth trying to rehab the sequel trilogy.
No one who cared about Star Wars would canonize Chuck Wendig's fanfic.
It sure isn't.
I wonder why...
Could be that the finale was underwhelming and he ran out of characters to cameo? Yes, he cynically brought deepfake Luke in for five minutes. He still winds up on an island drinking blue titty milk.
Because he thought she was charismatic and would be liked. Which she was. Gina was a rising star.
No. It's not safe to assume anything. If you are pissed off, either shit or get off the toilet.
He's sitting there, giving it his tacit approval. A bunch of cuck wonders is how we got here. Men who didn't want to speak up. Fuck em.
But it's not just Kathy....
The KK stuff is so tedious. Everyone acts like she's the problem....
We've gotten a raft of saviours. Iger, Lucas, Filoni, Favreau. Every Goddamned time it goes the same. None of these people disagree with her except maybe George. And he isn't in the fucking building anymore. There's not going to be a magic bullet. Firing Kennedy worn't save Star Wars because everyone there is infected. There is not white saviour riding a pale horse.
Everyone like...
I be like...
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Did you even read my comment? The guy I was criticizing was saying almost the same thing as you. I disagree with both of you.
I think the Daily Wire will be surssccesful as in they could like Lionsgate or Blumhouse making good movies with good actors. I'm not talking about Disney level.
Also Hollywood is weaken now. Most movie theaters or shut down and most people are terrified to go into them now. Everything is is on streaming. Which is perfect for the Daily wire.
There will be more people like Gina who are canceled for stupid shit that the daily wire can employee. I am seeing people who don't even like Shapiro that much that are willing to surpport the Daily wire for Gina.
Also have you seen indie comics lately.
since Comicsgate indie comics prices are doing amazingly well against Marvel and DC.
You want to be rape by Woke entertainment be my guess. Not me I'm supporting alternatives.
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Firing KK won't fix anything when the entire company is overrun with SJW fruitcakes. All the old Lucasarts vets and old Lucasfilm people are either fired, retired, or kept in a place where they can't change much. Sure, KK can get fired, but you know what that will lead to? Another SJW fruitcake taking her place. Maybe even someone who's more leftist/radical than KK was. Removing KK is like chopping off a head from a hydra, two more heads will take its place.
On another note, this:
On the one hand, he does raise a valid point with how Stormtroopers are treated under Disney.
On the other, expecting Disney to change anything at this point is futile. Which at least, he's good enough to recognize.
It's even funnier when you consider that Stormtroopers are supposed to be precise, accurate warriors:
And yet the average dumb fan makes Stormtrooper jokes about them missing all the time. Not that it's just on Disney, plenty of other works, even parts of the EU partook in this misconception.
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After all of this, I am fine with everything ending with Luke and R2 and the child leaving in the elevator.
We dont need anything else to continue the Star Wars story on screen (we sure as hell dont need to see anymore Mandalorian). Yes, the Luke scene can be seen as "fan boy dreams" or whatever, I guess, but what it did, is replace the last demeaning image we saw of Luke on screen during the TLJ, so at least it did that. We leave with Luke the warrior and our friend R2.
Back in December I was amused to see what the Book of Boba Fett was, but not anymore. Now I dont want any of it and I sure as hell do not want to see what horrors they dream up for Obi Wan.
It never should have taken the Gina issue to be the last straw, but that is what happens when star wars has been important to me since I was a child. I let it pull me back in, but at this point this current "thing" isnt Star Wars.
I am not interested in what people who hate me deem to allow us to view.
We dont need anything else to continue the Star Wars story on screen (we sure as hell dont need to see anymore Mandalorian). Yes, the Luke scene can be seen as "fan boy dreams" or whatever, I guess, but what it did, is replace the last demeaning image we saw of Luke on screen during the TLJ, so at least it did that. We leave with Luke the warrior and our friend R2.
Back in December I was amused to see what the Book of Boba Fett was, but not anymore. Now I dont want any of it and I sure as hell do not want to see what horrors they dream up for Obi Wan.
It never should have taken the Gina issue to be the last straw, but that is what happens when star wars has been important to me since I was a child. I let it pull me back in, but at this point this current "thing" isnt Star Wars.
I am not interested in what people who hate me deem to allow us to view.
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Heck, to me, the Jedi Knight games were the perfect capstone to the Original Trilogy, ESPECIALLY Jedi Academy. We see the final attempts of the Empire to regain its power be foiled by a New Jedi Order that Luke Skywalker set up, we see how Luke has evolved from that farmboy in Tatooine to the new Yoda, and we see a Jedi Knight from this new order defeat an Ancient Sith Lord whom the Imperials were trying to revive, bringing things back to full circle considering the fact that this series started with Sith Lords plotting the Old Republic's demise, and Jedi Academy ends it with an Ancient Sith Lord being defeated by a Jedi Knight who works for the New Republic.
It really drives home the title of the last OT movie, "Return of the Jedi", by having the Jedi return for good and start rebuilding the old order of things that the Sith destroyed in the movies. The Empire withers away, the Sith are wiped out for good, and the rebuilt Jedi Order ensures that the New Republic's rise is inevitable, sealing the success of the Original Trilogy heroes as permanent, forever ensuring that the battles and struggles in the OT mattered in the long run.
If I was writing Star Wars, I would have closed the book there. The Empire eventually surrenders and becomes part of the New Republic, they crush the Yuuzhan Vong by the balls in the Outer Rim, and there's no Corellian insurrection, nor would there be another Sith movement considering that Luke's Jedi Order allows emotional ties, marriages, Jedi taking up positions of power in government, and the use of the Dark Side, which sinks the need for a Sith Order to begin with. (The original Dark Jedi rebels who broke off and took over the Sith people rebelled because they wanted to use the Dark Side and amass worldly power, Luke's Jedi Order has no problems with Jedi having political power or using the Dark Side.)
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It's not Trump's fault you got crappy scripts
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Oh for the love of God. How mentally disturbed are these people. They won, they have won everything and control everything, but yet it is still all of us racist bigots that manage to hold everyone down.
By the way, its painfully obvious when this guy was in the Chewbacca suit, he does not move correctly and above all he has no concept of how Peter was the eyes of Chewbacca. Im not really that concerned on what he thinks about anything.
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that right there is my planned 'personal canon ending' as far as I'm concerned...or perhaps just ending with Jedi Outcast since that story, for me, is at least on par with the likes of KOTOR. there's just something about Luke's final words to Kyle Katarn at the end, when he's being hard on himself for good reasons: "You were never a failure" that genuinely feel like this is something that Yoda would never have said. which is a good thing, since it actually gives hope that this Jedi Order will not make the mistake of every last one before it - persecuting dark side use to the point of instigating a significant darksider faction to split off
(works in the context of the stories they tell too, since the only reason the two main antagonists get so many force users to follow them in those last two games is because they artificially infused them with the force to begin with. and while Desann might've genuinely been a beast of a force user, he gets buffed by the Valley of the Jedi while Tavion with Marka Ragnoses unded spirit so...it's very debatable as to how strong this form of cheating actually made them).
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And bad games are the fault of gamergate naturally.
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It kind of is, considering that after the Orange Man got into the White House, all Hollywood can think of is how to get him out.
Because even in victory, they can still taste the bitter defeat they suffered back in 2016. That, and their victory has been as effective for them as winning the Mandalorian Wars were for the Republic.
-Other countries are waking up and are moving to limit the Left's corporate power in their lands.
-Their puppet president has all the popularity of a gay man in China, and his legislation has caused even more defections from the Left.
-The right-wingers are even more defiant as ever, and they're not going away anytime soon.
Heck, I'd say that letting Trump win 2020 would have been the better move for them, so that they can keep casting blame on Trump instead of showing themselves to be ten times more incompetent than him.
Gamergate. The phantom that never dies! XD
To me, it's the ending of Jedi Academy, since Marka Ragnos feels like a better final boss than Darth Caedus, the Vong, Darth Krayt, Abeloth, or any of the other losers who become the big bad after Jedi Academy. That, and the Jedi finally learned their lesson from Anakin's fall since the new order doesn't prohibit Dark Side teachings, only telling people to control themselves while using said powers. The story started with Sith Lords plotting the Republic's downfall in the films, and the film characters' story ends with their student taking down a mighty Sith Lord from the Sith Empire's golden age.
As a wise man once said, "It's like poetry, it rhymes."
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you are a racist bigot everytime you choose not to consoom Disney Wars, and a double bigot if you yo ho ho it.
I always hated that. Not knocking you MM, but I don't equate lewd with adult. Mara and Luke, the Rogue/Wraith books to name a few were filled with death and romance.
I think the content got darker and meaner.
Most flew over my head.
That's what hits me. This is Disney. Unlike Star Wars before. The Mouse is synonymous with kids.
I've noticed this too. Zahn and Luceno especially. all the old timers that get back in seem to want to ignore that the old EU was nuked when its convenient.
Then there's this. Most of Troy's stuff went over my head. I wasn't looking for it. But that's not innuendo or normal human sexuality.
Have I finally met someone else who doesn't like JK Rowling as a writer!
Yeah.
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I didn't think JK Rowlings was as untouchable as say, Mick McCormac or even Stephen King.
Her worldbuilding was garbage, and she sorely needed an editor for the last few entries of Harry Potter.
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It's all down to personal preference. "Darker and meaner" is what I live for, being a fan of grimdark stories layered with existential dread. It's why I love New Jedi Order and its sequels so much.
Although, I'll be the first to say that Fate of the Jedi aims for a much lighter tone than its predecessors, which I found surprisingly palatable, as I'll detail in my full coverage.
I'd even argue that Rowling isn't on the creative level of the kind of authors who write tie-in consumer fiction for franchises like Trek, Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms or Halo. People like to scoff at the prose and writing craft of people like Troy Denning, Greg Bear, R.A. Salvatore, and Karen Traviss...because their writing output amounts to almost exclusively tie-in books. They're accused of only being capable of churning out juvenile consumer fiction, of being incapable of breaking out on their own to get famous off of their own original ideas.
And yet for all of their personal writing foibles (Lord knows Denning and Traviss have plenty), I'd still posit that they're leagues above Rowling, because they at least know how to flesh out a world, and write compelling characters. They're capable of introducing moral greys, and creating drama that actually bridges on being compelling.
J.K. Rowling is only capable of pumping out trite one-dimensional characters and constructs fantasy settings with all the depth and nuance of a puddle. She's someone who aimed her first few books at children, and then conscious of that audience growing into adolescence, tried to "darken" the story with a more hostile setting, threatening conflict, and character deaths...all while failing to mature her writing style, plotting and character-writing to match. You read the later HP books, and it still feels like a Children's Author writing dark and edgy situations for her painfully simple characters/concepts, because her style never evolves, and her skills never improve. It's like if the authors of The Magic Treehouse dropped Jack and Annie into the jungles of Vietnam, started included violent and harrowing content, but didn't change the writing style or the depth of the characters. Harry Potter 5-7 feel exactly like this: Rowling tries to have war and death, struggle and trauma, romance and break-ups between characters...but it's all still written with the paper-thin characterizations and shallow world-building of the earlier, kiddier books. I think the moment it became painfully obvious that she was trying to bite off more than she could chew was when she tried introducing things like the Chosen One Prophecy, the Horcruxes and the Elder Wand...because that's precisely where her creative ineptitude and childish inexperience with world-building really showed. There were a wealth of vapid contrivances around all of these major plot points, where she'd even sacrifice the logical consistency of the rules she created to allow for stale, shallow drama between the characters, just like every YA author does.
And speaking of YA incompetence: Fuck me, does this woman not know to write romance. Every single time she tries to depict the relationships between all of her dinky teenaged characters, her writing takes a fucking nosedive. It was something that showed up in bursts in Book 5, but when she decided to make it the predominant emotional focus of Book 6, the book where it's mostly teenagers getting into aimless, spergy romantic feuds with each other, it became fucking unreadable. I mean, fuck, when you have the actual childish, mouth-breathing, scar-wearing, wand-waving autist fans collectively agreeing that the Harry and Ginny relationship came the fuck out of nowhere, you know Rowling fucked up. Within the confines of the story, their romance takes on drama and stakes that haven't been organically earned--with these characters having no relationship for the first five out of seven books, only to inexplicably start making doe eyes at each other and getting their jimmies rustled whenever they see the other person "snogging" (take a shot every time THAT word turns up in Half-Blood Prince). Rowling's romances are rushed and complete cringe, and what's worse is that she doubled down on it in Deathly Hallows, as if inexplicably convinced that she's good at it. I have troubling news for you, Rowling...you're not. You never have been. Please refrain from trying to mold your children's fiction writing ability to allow for mature situations, because you clearly can't do it.
And speaking of YA incompetence: Fuck me, does this woman not know to write romance. Every single time she tries to depict the relationships between all of her dinky teenaged characters, her writing takes a fucking nosedive. It was something that showed up in bursts in Book 5, but when she decided to make it the predominant emotional focus of Book 6, the book where it's mostly teenagers getting into aimless, spergy romantic feuds with each other, it became fucking unreadable. I mean, fuck, when you have the actual childish, mouth-breathing, scar-wearing, wand-waving autist fans collectively agreeing that the Harry and Ginny relationship came the fuck out of nowhere, you know Rowling fucked up. Within the confines of the story, their romance takes on drama and stakes that haven't been organically earned--with these characters having no relationship for the first five out of seven books, only to inexplicably start making doe eyes at each other and getting their jimmies rustled whenever they see the other person "snogging" (take a shot every time THAT word turns up in Half-Blood Prince). Rowling's romances are rushed and complete cringe, and what's worse is that she doubled down on it in Deathly Hallows, as if inexplicably convinced that she's good at it. I have troubling news for you, Rowling...you're not. You never have been. Please refrain from trying to mold your children's fiction writing ability to allow for mature situations, because you clearly can't do it.
People claim that Rowling's spergy lack of talent only came into light once unreadable bile like Cursed Child and Fantastic Beasts came about (to say nothing about her social media revelations about Wizard Feces), but I disagree. This woman always had an extremely limited range of creative talent...it just became more apparent the second she tried her hand at adding narrative sophistication, depth, and maturity to her work.
I would take Karen Traviss and her retarded Mandalorian-fixated creative impulses over Rowling any day of the week...fuck, I'd even take Claudia Grey. Because despite both being waist-deep in a quagmire of misguided authorial whims, they can at least write decently on occasion. In fact--and this may shock all of you--I think Christie Golden is a better writer than Rowling.
Don't believe me? Well, when I cover FOTJ in the coming days, I'll prove it. Because Golden actually tries to add awkward, adolescent romance to Star Wars in the same way Rowling tried to do with Harry Potter...only far more competently, and in a way that actually enhanced the story instead of being a blight on it.
TL ; DR - Rowling is a prime example of the kind of creatively-inept cat ladies who entertain the delusion that she can write for adults just as well as children, when she absolutely fucking can't.
That's why she lacks merit as an author, not because she hurt tranny feelings on Twitter.
I get you. I meant I don't see being Darker and meaner as mature. But there is absolutely value in it. Hell, I enjoy ol' Gen the Butcher's stuff sometimes.
Look forward to it.
I'm not one of those. I think craft is craft.
I'd put Troy, Karen and RA Salvatore into competent craftsmen and woman.
Telling a story. Rowling's books are filled with blabble. No sense for pacing or tension. Her language is lazy. I did not at any point through the slog of the Potter books ever need a thesaurus or to pause to digest things.
I still couldn't figure out when half the romances in those books begin. Speaking of complexity, there's nothing along the line of Boromir or of Gollum. Nothing of nuance.
She was clearly influenced by Lewis' Narnia. But while those books are preachy, they're very good at having children being children. Some things don't need to be complex, but if you choose that don't change half way through. Snape is an asshole. I'm not going to feel for him because you try to spend a few pages doing what should have been done across seven damned telephone books!
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Wow. Y'know. If it was Traviss cum Hard contact I agree.
I...actually read some of that and I really liked the stuff there. One of the few real missed opportunities with the death of the EU. If you're talking about what I think you are.
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They were until George had to do his Vietnam parallel with teddy bears while completing ignoring North Vietnam was actively supported by USSR, China and "can't bomb an outhouse without my say so" LBJ.
Normies, casuals, and even fans have shit poor hearing, reading for closed captions/subtitles and language comprehension abilities when ANH blatantly spelled it out to the audience the stormtroopers were suppose to miss. Plus if we put in real life militaries including the special forces to the same criteria we put on stormtroopers on accuracy they do would also suck.
EU post W.E.P went full retard including Zahn on destroying the creditability of the post Battle of Endor Empire by going on easy mode. If anything killing Palpatine, Vader and the destruction of DSII should've the easy part for the Rebellion. This is where ripping off history (Alexander the Great Empire or Battletech for the cliffnote version (dissolution of Star League after the Ameris war). Leaving the Rebellion in an extremely precarious state trying to survive when everyone friend and foe either sees them as direct threat or a liable loose-end that need to be tied up.
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Well, that's just it; bleak and grimdark don't inform the quality of the prose or story...they inform the tone. And a bleaker tone is something I appreciate, but not the expense of the writing. I'm of the opinion that the Del Rey post-Endor series like NJO and beyond were able to have one while preserving the other.
Tonally-dark storytelling with nuance and depth is stuff like Berserk. Tonally-dark storytelling without them is the kind of shallow edgelord nonsense that Zack Snyder pinches out of his talentless asshole.
Personally, I feel that the Del Rey Post-Endor Stories fall into the former category and not the latter. I'm probably the only one who feels that way, especially where LOTF is concerned...but, hey, I can still enjoy things that plenty of other people don't, a fact that I'm sure you can empathize with, and even respect.
Having that kind of thick skin separates us from the whining ST Defense Force on Reddit.
It's quite telling that I find myself finding a bigger need to consult a thesaurus when reading the work of Kevin J. Anderson than Rowling.
Jedi Academy and Darksaber aren't Steinbeck novels by any stretch, but they still have the dim illusion of being written by an adult. Rowling's books read with the diverse vocabulary of someone who just finished fourth grade. Which, again, is fine for the childish, overly-simplistic style of the early books...but by Order of the Phoenix, Rowling is trying to tackle things like whirlwind romance, government conspiracies, ancient artifiacts and prophecies, and a full-scale wizard war with loss and trauma.
All while still having the vocabulary and depth of prose of books made for children.
In all likelihood, neither does Rowling.
The "new" romance in the books, the one that blooms between Ben Skywalker and the "other character", is exactly what I'm talking about. And it's probably my favorite part of FOTJ so far, so rest assured, you aren't alone in your appreciation of it.