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I like the characters, but I can't really see it beating Wandavision in terms of entertainment. I'm willing to eat
MCU Television and Animation Series on Disney + - WandaVision, FATWS, Loki, etc
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It looks like more sneering sjw shit where Winter soldier offends Falcons blackness on a regular basis and probably some female character busts both their balls and emasculates them.
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WandaVision was fun to watch as we saw different sitcom plots according in each episode. I know this show will be different and have different feeling. But I am willing to give it a shot.
I really hope they don't play the Bucky is form the 1940s, so he a little racist and sexist in him thing going on. Because it was never implied with any of the mcu movies that Bucky and Steve were racists or sexist in the past. So I hope they don't do that shit.
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I didn't get any of that from the trailers. They have different ways of going into things and Sam has a jetpack pretty much and Bucky only has super strong metal arm (that Rocket somehow never got a hold of).
I like the dynamic between Sam and Bucky though, so I'm looking forward to it in that sense seeing them go back and forth at each other. It's supposed to hint at something coming, from the lab scenes and stuff (probably Thunderbolts), so that might interesting.
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Falcon is literally the worst Avenger. He's a dude who stole a flight suit whose only notable achievement was getting humiliated by Ant-Man on Ant-Man's first day as a superhero. He should literally blow his brains out his very existence is a drain on the MCU.
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I hope they do play it up.
Sam & Bucky standing next to a water fountain. Bucky looks around, leans over to Sam and says "I won't tell anyone if you use this fountain."
Sam and Bucky get on a bus and Bucky tells him "You don't have to sit in the back, you can sit with me. I have a cyber-arm, they won't say shit."
Sam does something normal and Bucky says "I knew you could do it, black people are just as smart as regular people."
You know, really play it up.
starborn427614
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Mackie really does do some heavy lifting for the character, but I wouldn't consider him the worst or anything.
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Wait it just dawn on me in the MCU they legit had five years where people were dusted. I mean in the marvel universe is something like Covid even considered that big of of a event compare to real life. Meaning for Falcan and Winter Soldier to be referencing BLM and COVID-19 makes no since as they are in a universe where worse shit has happen.
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I don't think Covid was a thing since they're in 2023 or whatever and there doesn't seem to be any lasting damage. As for BLM, you can reference the themes without explicitly naming the group.
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I thought that article a couple pages ago said they were going to address Covid? Did I read it wrong
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I think this is what you're referring to? He just says the snap and Covid bringing people together in a way is similar. https://www.cbr.com/falcon-and-winter-soldier-black-lives-matter-pandemic-connections/
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Oh they were just comparing Covid and the snap. I miss read it as covid happing in the MCU just like in real life. My bad
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Don't forget the United States government being white supremacists for not accepting Sam as the new Captain America.
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I think that's more to do with the shield being property of the United States more than it being bad for a black man to wield it.
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It seems like it'll just be a serialized Winter Soldier style narrative, it'd be incredibly hard to fuck up. I think out of everything coming it's probably the safest bet to be good.
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Loki is the biggest wildcard of realising soonish. Especially if it's going to be dealing with alternate timelines and possibly even The Living Tribunal.
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Loki is probably going to do well just on the back of Tom Hiddleston carrying that character throughout the franchise, so it's likely to be given a hell of a free pass for whatever they do with it.
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Zero fucking awareness that Bucky "disappeared" when Smallpox, Polio, TB, mumps, whooping cough, scarlet fever and a crap load of other diseases were still an ever present danger even in the United States during the 1940ies. That is before all of the "new fascinating diseases" Allied and Japanese forces were discovering during the South Pacific compaign were known.
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Inverse published this article defending The Last Jedi because Wandavision also subverted expectations when fan theories didn’t come to pass in the finale.
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IN THE END, WANDAVISION WAS THE LAST JEDI OF THE MCU
As if knowing exactly what its audience wanted, WandaVision flipped the channel to give them what they needed.EVERYONE LOVES STAR WARS, EVEN ELIZABETH OLSEN. IN A RECENT INTERVIEW, THE ACTRESS REVEALED IT WAS THAT FAR, FAR AWAY GALAXY THAT INSPIRED HER TO TAKE ON BIG POPCORN MOVIES AS AN ACTRESS, WHICH LED TO HER AUDITION FOR WANDA IN THE MARVEL MOVIE FRANCHISE.
"I was obsessed with Star Wars," Olsen told Collider. "You couldn’t peel me away from Star Wars as a child. And so I was trying to figure out, how do I start putting that out there because I feel like all I’m getting are these really disturbed women in independent films."
It's funny how Olsen's childhood obsession connects with her present role in the Marvel Cinematic Universe — because one movie in the Star Wars pantheon shares eerie similarities to her buzzy work on WandaVision.
For all the uproar the 2017 movie Star Wars: The Last Jedi still stirs for certain fans, one thing it isn't is dishonest. The movie laid bare at several points its thematic thesis: YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE NOT CANON. This was made clear when Luke Skywalker, played by a grayed-out Mark Hamill, threw his lightsaber away like a crumpled gum wrapper. The way Luke later screams "The sacred texts!" with panic is not unlike how fans felt when he tossed a revered relic with a shrug.
With The Last Jedi, writer-director Rian Johnson did one thing: He questioned everything. WandaVision is doing the same thing for our expectations of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
It's hard to imagine the state of the fandom four years ago, but in the months leading up to The Last Jedi, there were recurring talking points: a desire for Luke Skywalker to crush the First Order, theories about Snoke as the supreme mastermind (and maybe even a Moff Tarkin clone), hopes for Rey to descend from Obi-Wan Kenobi's line.
The Last Jedi all but takes a lightsaber to those questions. It challenged fans' self-assigned expectations of what a Star Wars movie ought to be, and instead asked viewers to consider a curious, not vicious question: "Why do you want this?" The film ruminates not just on Star Wars, but fandom at large, and the well-meaning but often unrealistic expectations that come with the territory.
In its own way, WandaVision was a rumination on fandoms too. In its final episode, the Matt Shakman-directed series absorbed the many expectations fans have for the MCU AND FLIPPED THE CHANNEL. A Patrick Stewart cameo? Didn't happen. Was Doctor Strange involved? He wasn't. Mephisto ... who?
Shot like a movie (the early presence of a live studio audience aside), WandaVision aired on a strict schedule with no delays. This eliminated room for the audience and WandaVision's writers to develop an organic relationship, a well-known phenomenon of TV before seasons got dumped on streamers. And yet, WandaVision knew. Showrunner Jac Schaeffer and her team knew we would theorize the Hex out of WandaVision. For weeks, speculation ran the gamut of Doctor Strange to Mephisto to the X-Men. The finale did not deliver on any of those fronts.
And WandaVision never promised that it would.
But WandaVision never promised "surprises." Bettany's trolling aside, what WandaVisionpromoted since the beginning was an exploration of nostalgia as a coping mechanism for pain, grief, and loss. It was not a teaser for a new X-Men movie (even if it was designed to set up Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness).
It's even in the trailer, in the form of The Platters' 1958 cover of Les Brown's "Twilight Time." The lyrics tell of an eerie yearning for an absent spouse. The potent power of nostalgia and the promise of an impossible, pleasant dream — one that can't happen in reality, at least for now — is the same electricity that sparks WandaVision:
Did Marvel court the theories? Sure. Look no further than the way the studio announced WandaVision at Comic-Con in 2019 in the same breath as Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, with Olsen and Benedict Cumberbatch together on stage. It's an extravagant reveal designed to generate excitement.
But that's the frosting. WandaVision lived and died by the cake.
For nine episodes, it told the exact story it wanted to tell. A love letter to bygone television made elegiac by its central character's sorrow, WandaVision used its grieving protagonist to give us, the audience, seven words that sound like oxygen. Spoken by Vision, "What is grief if not love persevering?" is our collective pain given meaning as we keep surviving a pandemic.
The perseverance of love — that was the throughline. And to that end, WandaVisionthreaded the eye of the needle, if not the Eye of Agamotto. The show ended with the lesson that we can, surely, engulf ourselves in misery, we can hide away in artificial comfort. But when we accept reality and learn to move forward, that's when we persevere. That's the meat and potatoes of WandaVision. Whatever happens now, with Wanda as the "Scarlet Witch" and how it sets up Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, is only frosting.
Back to the galaxy far, far away. I think about how The Last Jedi told its story, whole and complete from beginning to end while still being conscious of the next storyteller in line — then Colin Trevorrow, later J.J. Abrams. The Last Jedi did not give its audience the bowl of frosting they thought they wanted. It did something that WandaVision went on to emulate years later. It gave us something we didn't know we needed, something we still need, something we will always need: A story about hope against overwhelming odds.
"I was obsessed with Star Wars," Olsen told Collider. "You couldn’t peel me away from Star Wars as a child. And so I was trying to figure out, how do I start putting that out there because I feel like all I’m getting are these really disturbed women in independent films."
It's funny how Olsen's childhood obsession connects with her present role in the Marvel Cinematic Universe — because one movie in the Star Wars pantheon shares eerie similarities to her buzzy work on WandaVision.
For all the uproar the 2017 movie Star Wars: The Last Jedi still stirs for certain fans, one thing it isn't is dishonest. The movie laid bare at several points its thematic thesis: YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE NOT CANON. This was made clear when Luke Skywalker, played by a grayed-out Mark Hamill, threw his lightsaber away like a crumpled gum wrapper. The way Luke later screams "The sacred texts!" with panic is not unlike how fans felt when he tossed a revered relic with a shrug.
With The Last Jedi, writer-director Rian Johnson did one thing: He questioned everything. WandaVision is doing the same thing for our expectations of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
It's hard to imagine the state of the fandom four years ago, but in the months leading up to The Last Jedi, there were recurring talking points: a desire for Luke Skywalker to crush the First Order, theories about Snoke as the supreme mastermind (and maybe even a Moff Tarkin clone), hopes for Rey to descend from Obi-Wan Kenobi's line.
The Last Jedi all but takes a lightsaber to those questions. It challenged fans' self-assigned expectations of what a Star Wars movie ought to be, and instead asked viewers to consider a curious, not vicious question: "Why do you want this?" The film ruminates not just on Star Wars, but fandom at large, and the well-meaning but often unrealistic expectations that come with the territory.
In its own way, WandaVision was a rumination on fandoms too. In its final episode, the Matt Shakman-directed series absorbed the many expectations fans have for the MCU AND FLIPPED THE CHANNEL. A Patrick Stewart cameo? Didn't happen. Was Doctor Strange involved? He wasn't. Mephisto ... who?
Shot like a movie (the early presence of a live studio audience aside), WandaVision aired on a strict schedule with no delays. This eliminated room for the audience and WandaVision's writers to develop an organic relationship, a well-known phenomenon of TV before seasons got dumped on streamers. And yet, WandaVision knew. Showrunner Jac Schaeffer and her team knew we would theorize the Hex out of WandaVision. For weeks, speculation ran the gamut of Doctor Strange to Mephisto to the X-Men. The finale did not deliver on any of those fronts.
And WandaVision never promised that it would.
EXPECTATIONS VS. REALITY
It's premature to know the general consensus on WandaVision. Right now, writing these words, it's 1:05 p.m. on the Friday of the finale's release. By Monday, fans may crown WandaVision the zenith of the MCU, or curse it as a waste of nine weeks. A glance on Twitter reveals a lot of favorable feelings towards the finale, but there are still those bitter who didn't get the fan theories they dreamed up come true.But WandaVision never promised "surprises." Bettany's trolling aside, what WandaVisionpromoted since the beginning was an exploration of nostalgia as a coping mechanism for pain, grief, and loss. It was not a teaser for a new X-Men movie (even if it was designed to set up Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness).
It's even in the trailer, in the form of The Platters' 1958 cover of Les Brown's "Twilight Time." The lyrics tell of an eerie yearning for an absent spouse. The potent power of nostalgia and the promise of an impossible, pleasant dream — one that can't happen in reality, at least for now — is the same electricity that sparks WandaVision:
Did Marvel court the theories? Sure. Look no further than the way the studio announced WandaVision at Comic-Con in 2019 in the same breath as Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, with Olsen and Benedict Cumberbatch together on stage. It's an extravagant reveal designed to generate excitement.
But that's the frosting. WandaVision lived and died by the cake.
For nine episodes, it told the exact story it wanted to tell. A love letter to bygone television made elegiac by its central character's sorrow, WandaVision used its grieving protagonist to give us, the audience, seven words that sound like oxygen. Spoken by Vision, "What is grief if not love persevering?" is our collective pain given meaning as we keep surviving a pandemic.
The perseverance of love — that was the throughline. And to that end, WandaVisionthreaded the eye of the needle, if not the Eye of Agamotto. The show ended with the lesson that we can, surely, engulf ourselves in misery, we can hide away in artificial comfort. But when we accept reality and learn to move forward, that's when we persevere. That's the meat and potatoes of WandaVision. Whatever happens now, with Wanda as the "Scarlet Witch" and how it sets up Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, is only frosting.
Back to the galaxy far, far away. I think about how The Last Jedi told its story, whole and complete from beginning to end while still being conscious of the next storyteller in line — then Colin Trevorrow, later J.J. Abrams. The Last Jedi did not give its audience the bowl of frosting they thought they wanted. It did something that WandaVision went on to emulate years later. It gave us something we didn't know we needed, something we still need, something we will always need: A story about hope against overwhelming odds.
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