Debate user "Null" on whether all women want kids and other MGTOW propaganda

[LonesomeDud]

Men who are cucks (including stepfathers) and permanent bachelors have failed their biological imperatives in identical ways.

P.S. The only time being a stepfather is not being a cuck is basically a brady bunch situation. Two parents, both have kids, both separated due to reasons outside of relationship failure, get together and have kids together.

The spirit of adoption is not the spirit of cuckoldry/slavery.

 

[ScamL Likely]

It is baffling to me all the people in this thread somehow angry or surprised by the implicitly true statement that a person's biological imperative is to reproduce.

Literally all of us are only here because successive generations of your ancestors managed to reproduce, that includes all the failures, drunks etc. No matter how stupid they were, they managed to have a child and that's the only reason you are here.
In fact the societal virtue of having and raising kids serves an explicit civilizational purpose. Not only does it tie a sense of identity and purpose to the labor of those before you but it motivates people indirectly to think inter generationally as they now have physical collateral (their children) at stake beyond their own death.
Every great project, monumental effort or sacrifice whose fruits extended beyond the life of its creator are motivated, at least in part by the wellbeing of future generations, specifically YOUR future generations.
The imperative to reproduce is not only biological, it is an essential pillar of our civilization and it really confuses me when I see people mouth agape at this very assertion.

In any case, regardless of how fucked up things get, or how bad the collapse is, at least it will be my descendants who will have some small part in the future. When you don't have kids, your smug cost benefit analysis, vacuous name-calling or inauthentic appeals to social desirability will not change the fact that you are ceding the future to those with the basic faculties to complete the most basic biological purpose, and failing to do what even the worst of your ancestors could.

While it's not a controversial statement at all it's still easy fodder for shitposting/mockery.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Anyone else notice how "moral imperative" has been replaced by "biological imperative"?

 

[WeWuzFinns]

Kid ; Dad can we buy some slaves?
Dad ; We've got slaves at home!

Slaves at home ;

This is anti-solanumic don't you know that over gorillion died in Gorta Mór

 

[j666]

@Null How is your basil plant doing? After the plant, what kind of animal do you plan to take care of? Maybe a puppy or kitten could attract a woman, I'm sure women would have a hard time resisting cute animals.

lol it died. he mentioned it on a recent episode of his podcast, not sure which one.

 

[MrTroll]

@Null How is your basil plant doing?

More importantly, can you even smell it through the Pig-Pen-like cloud of BO and ass-stink that surely must follow anyone who spends 20+ hours a day on the internet while subsisting entirely on a diet of junk food and soda?

 

[Null]

This was in March 2020 and obviously not scripted- @Null has your opinion on this changed in any way since then?

No. That's actually a really good synopsis.

 

[Nobunaga]

Raped a girl behind an Arby's in 1986?

>null
>being capable of raping anything
Nah, he got raped in the summer of 92 longside the biggest bitch in the biz kevin nash
Kwab

 

[Null]

The spirit of adoption is not the spirit of cuckoldry/slavery.

I don't care about the spirit, the reality is the same, especially if you sacrifice your own children for it.

 

[Dyn]

This is anti-solanumic don't you know that over gorillion died in Gorta Mór

And that's why you should try to breed with somebody who knows you can eat things other than potatoes.

 

[Null]

lol it died. he mentioned it on a recent episode of his podcast, not sure which one.

Aphids from the plant nursery got it. I'm going to set up something more fancy when I move this spring. Taking care of another man's plant is basically adoption which as we've established is cuck shit.

 

[Strange Looking Dog]

I disagree with the idea that "We exist to reproduce" because you're basically saying that humans exist to continue existing in a different form. Or just that humans exist in order to exist. it's redundant and cannot explain life

From loose particles of the cosmos came a pattern which sought to make more of itself, from that pattern have we come.
You have just described life, a self fulfilling pattern —it's purpose innate. Life that does not seek to replicate will soon be death, and so it might be said that this is dying, not living. Thus there are two deaths, the death of the spirit —the death of purpose— and the final death of what little remains.

It is baffling to me all the people in this thread somehow angry or surprised by the implicitly true statement that a person's biological imperative is to reproduce.

Literally all of us are only here because successive generations of your ancestors managed to reproduce, that includes all the failures, drunks etc. No matter how stupid they were, they managed to have a child and that's the only reason you are here.
In fact the societal virtue of having and raising kids serves an explicit civilizational purpose. Not only does it tie a sense of identity and purpose to the labor of those before you but it motivates people indirectly to think inter generationally as they now have physical collateral (their children) at stake beyond their own death.
Every great project, monumental effort or sacrifice whose fruits extended beyond the life of its creator are motivated, at least in part by the wellbeing of future generations, specifically YOUR future generations.
The imperative to reproduce is not only biological, it is an essential pillar of our civilization and it really confuses me when I see people mouth agape at this very assertion.

In any case, regardless of how fucked up things get, or how bad the collapse is, at least it will be my descendants who will have some small part in the future. When you don't have kids, your smug cost benefit analysis, vacuous name-calling or inauthentic appeals to social desirability will not change the fact that you are ceding the future to those with the basic faculties to complete the most basic biological purpose, and failing to do what even the worst of your ancestors could.

Sex has been reframed as pleasure foremost, it's purpose secondary, thus the very nature of living has been obscured, and our connection to our bodies, our past, and our future severed.
If a collapse is to happen, may the future go to the savage peoples within whom the spark of life still dwells, and not to the neutered tube babies of the cult of death.


In our sophistication we have sought to trick god, but in the end only tricked ourselves.

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

Do you know how I got these kids?

My father took the turkey baster and...

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Life that does not seek to replicate will soon be death, and so it might be said that this is dying, not living.

you haven't thought about what goes on after "death." You die but where does your consciousness go? It goes to Heaven therefore you don't die you just continue life somewhere else assuming that Heaven is real.

 

[NerdShamer]

Reminder on what his dating profile looks like.

 

[WeWuzFinns]

Adoption is pretty cucked unless your twin dies and you adopt their kids as then they could genetically be your kids. There is definitively an axis of genetic similarity to adoption that determines the degree of getting cucked.

 

[SIGSEGV]

When I meet people and they try to hook me up with whatever single mother, recovering drug addict, or perenially single obese friend, I talk about "androids" as my top choice for a marriage companion. Originally it was joking, as in I wouldn't find a companion worth risking my life on until science has left me in the grave, until these dolls came around.
There is something primal, deep seated, and reactionary about how women respond to the idea of a guy forgoing their kind altogether and going for a robot. Even if you're joking, it seems to touch a real nerve in there, as if their whole ponzi scheme will be upended if someone tries out a doll and says "aw shit dude, why was I wasting so much effort dating? This is 80% of the satisfaction with none of the risk or work."

I forsee lots more of these spinsters, self-styled sexperts, eternal college student lefties and the like banding together to fight all these terrible machines. They'll say only perverts want them, that all the customers are pedos looking for a kiddie doll to practice on, that they all have torture fetishes that will be empowered by this. Maybe they'll bring back that "dolls need to be programmed to demand and receive consent prior to copulation".

Logically, women should be pumped, because the guys who go for dolls probably aren't in the desireable portion of their dating pool anyway. Who cares if the guy who should be managing the blockbuster franchise down the street has a doll? He wasn't on your radar. But there's that worry that he won't be the only one.
That nagging feeling in the back of her head as she sees a picture she was tagged in, one she didn't notice in time to suck in her paunch and push out her chest while holding her chin out in that perfect angle. That little voice worrying that even if she doesn't get into her first choice of hubby, her 'safety school' nerd friend isn't even gonna chase her now that he's got that robot.

Maybe I'm the outlier, but I've worked with dudes who travel non-stop and spend a lot of time away from home. They almost all get cheated on or tossed out by their gf/wives. I've met a couple dudes who have these dolls at home because it helps get rid of that sexual urge and it's easy on the eyes when they sit it on the couch next to them. (Or, as one dude does, put it in the back seat of your car to use the carpool lane, with limo tint on the rear it's totally normal) I knew an older dude who bought his after he lost interest in risking another divorce. He's in shape, has all his hair, is 55 and makes $20k/month in his "fun" job, and about $400k in his day job. He's a gold diggers' wet dream, and instead of risking a pregnancy scare he's pumping loads into a glob of silicone. A lifeless, soft body that can lie back and take a dick in silence.

It's sad to say, but that' is the competition that is so threatening to modern woman. They'll immediately snap with
"Oh will a doll do your laundry? Will it cook and clean? Will it welcome you home? Will it take care of your kids? HMMMM?" to which any guy who's met the modern woman can only say "Of course not, but you won't either."

In a time where just the simplest of relationship duties, talking about your day! - is backbreaking "emotional labor" tantamount to low-level abuse, just the simple act of lifeless starfish pose and allowing a titty squeeze is the silver bullet to ruin the entire female grift. It's depressing how far we've all fallen.

 

[Helvítis Túristi]

lol it died. he mentioned it on a recent episode of his podcast, not sure which one.

Aw, I didn't think it died. I remember him saying that he was going to look for plant seeds, must have forgotten.
Maybe he could try to grow tomato plants or try again with basil seeds? I'm not sure on the climate where he currently is, but my wheat and pea plants are doing good so far. Looking into growing strawberries, tomatoes, spinach, and a few other plants now the seeds are available. I think I'll have to go hunting for that gardening thread.

 

[WeWuzFinns]

Aw, I didn't think it died. I remember him saying that he was going to look for plant seeds, must have forgotten.
Maybe he could try to grow tomato plants or try again with basil seeds? I'm not sure on the climate where he currently is, but my wheat and pea plants are doing good so far. Looking into growing strawberries, tomatoes, spinach, and a few other plants now the seeds are available. I think I'll have to go hunting for that gardening thread.

Growing plants is pretty gay just grow your dick size by jelqing my dude.

 

[Bob Barker]

Null is completely right about how important having kids is and how unfulfilling your later years will be if you waste your youth on selfish pleasure and never have kids/settle down. You get a lot of hate for saying this because its calling out the narcissism of modern man and poking holes in popular narratives that tell us we don't ever have to do anything hard and selfless to be happy.

That being said, he has a very long way to go before he will realistically have a chance at having a normal healthy family.

Raising even a single kid requires a shitload of money/resources, and this site will never be profitable or a reliable source of income. Even if he gave the site away today and started pursuing a normal career, he's 28 with essentially negative job experience due to how this site clashes with the current social climate any industry he has skill relevant to. Its not impossible for him to afford supporting a kid in the future, but he has a long and hard journey to get to that point.

Then there is finding a woman to have kids with. If you want a trad family you need a wife who can be a life partner. Someone reliable, level headed, and who shares enough of your values that there won't be major conflicts in raising kids. There are a good number of women like this, but they are going to have high standards for men as well. Null is no where near a passable trad husband right now, both in terms of personality and position in life (see above, this not only effect his ability to support kids, but his ability to attract a woman who wants kids). Oh and he's fat. Like the first point, all of these issues can be improved upon, but it will take time and hard work.

Finally there is actually raising kids, which isn't easy or simple. It takes a shit load of patience, kindness, understanding, wisdom and responsibility to do it right. Null isn't exactly known for being patient or having life experience, so again he has a long way to go here before he should be thinking about raising kids.

For what it's worth, I do hope that he figures all this out and has a big happy family. But honestly I don't really see that happening so long as he runs this site and spends his free time using it to argue with fat single women about traditional values.