Debate user "Null" on whether all women want kids and other MGTOW propaganda

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Gentlemen, it behooves me to revive a thread as dead as your kids shall be shy of a century to commune with ye "imperatives" and tell you that they bemuse me as much as they hex thee. Truly, there is nothing as hilarious and petty as being preoccupied with wanting children. A cluster of cells half-salient for decades on end that become a drain on your wallet, hopes and aspirations in tandem and to no avail. I claim that most of you are idiots coaxed by societal pressures to deliver blobs upon the earth if for no other reason than to secure a perverted legacy. And what a funny thing, legacy - to think that any of it matters in a grand scheme of things! Please, procreate. I want to laugh at your healths' speedy ailments looking after little shits that didn't even ask to be born. :drink:
 
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Icasaracht said:
Gentlemen, it behooves me to revive a thread as dead as your kids shall be shy of a century to commune with ye "imperatives" and tell you that they bemuse me as much as they hex thee. Truly, there is nothing as hilarious and petty as being preoccupied with wanting children. A cluster of cells half-salient for decades on end that become a drain on your wallet, hopes and aspirations in tandem and to no avail. I claim that most of you are idiots coaxed by societal pressures to deliver blobs upon the earth if for no other reason than to secure a perverted legacy. And what a funny thing, legacy - to think that any of it matters in a grand scheme of things! Please, procreate. I want to laugh at your healths' speedy ailments looking after little shits that didn't even ask to be born. :drink:
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There's nothing wrong with wanting kids.
But there's something really autistic about deriving the need to have kids from first principles and growing banana peppers in your bachelor pad to prepare for it.
 
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I'm currently trying to have kids. I'm several steps past the banana peppers.

But not for the sake of a legacy. That is indeed dumb. I want to make people who look like me and train them to think like me in order to satisfy my vanity in the here and now.
 
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garakfan69 said:
There's nothing wrong with wanting kids.
But there's something really autistic about deriving the need to have kids from first principles and growing banana peppers in your bachelor pad to prepare for it.
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I would be surprised if Null ever has kids, at least biological. I think that would be some form of child cruelty. But that doesn't change the fact that for one, having children is a deeply rooted biological need. Sex isn't the only thing hard-wired into us to assure the human race's continued existence, we also have a great need to raise children, women moreso than men.

For two, having children is practical. There's many ways to find fulfilment in life, but your hobbies and career will only take you so far and there will be a point where you fall out of love and you will be too old and stuck in your ways to find something new. You won't have innumerable friends in your 50s, any long-term romantic relationship will dwindle eventually to make room for the care of children. If you do a good job as a parent, your kids will love you enough to be there for you when you have no one else left. There really is no apt replacement for children. Not animals, not other people, not an aging LGBTQP harem.

If you don't want children because you don't think you'd be a good parent, as many in this thread have admitted, that is a sign to work on yourself and become someone who can properly raise a child. Not throw in the rag before ever even trying. There's not a single good parent in the world who wouldn't have once been a terrible parent and there's a reason we don't want teenagers knocking each other up. Same thing goes if you're one of these people who don't like kids. Not liking kids isn't some quirk, like some people have it some people don't. It's what they call a glaring personality flaw and you should treat it like a mad temper or social anxiety. This is the sort of self-deception that allows people to ignore the true issue, that they're not mature adults. And if they can explain their refusal to raise a child as some innate trait out of their control, or some outside factor such as the pain of childbirth, then they don't need to confront themselves.

This post had barely anything to do with the user I'm replying too, I just wanted an excuse to post in a dead thread.

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Families in the traditional sense are unnecessary for procreation. Most males in nature don't stay around to raise their offspring. Enough single mothers with deadbeat dads and the kids still survive and grow up fine.
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If you want to talk about the most natural family settings, humans used to live in tribes. Children were raised by the entire tribe. Men did not bail the minute a child was born, they just weren't committed to caring for the mother specifically. The argument of males being non-monogamous is an argument against modern relationships more than it is an argument against traditional families.

Not that I'm saying we should gather up small communities to raise children because that sounds like a breeding ground for pedophiles. My point is that men have always had a strong role in the maturity of a child and kids are worse off without a strong father figure in their life.
 
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Bastard_Call said:
If you want to talk about the most natural family settings, humans used to live in tribes. Children were raised by the entire tribe. Men did not bail the minute a child was born, they just weren't committed to caring for the mother specifically. The argument of males being non-monogamous is an argument against modern relationships more than it is an argument against traditional families.
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Citation very much needed.
 
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Same thing goes if you're one of these people who don't like kids. Not liking kids isn't some quirk, like some people have it some people don't. It's what they call a glaring personality flaw and you should treat it like a mad temper or social anxiety.
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That's an interesting way to put it. I've got a mate who says he never wants kids ("I've just never looked at a kid and thought, yeah I want one of them" <- this was in response to me telling him that my wife is pregnant, classy :story:).

I always thought it was odd though, because his missus just moved in with him and brought a load of cats with her. And he always speaks glowingly of his dog ("When I walk in to the room [the dog's] face lights up, these bastard cats either ignore me or run off").

Like, if you enjoy someone's face lighting up when you enter a room, what's better than a kid? I don't understand why he draws the line at the dog in terms of having responsibility for something.
 
If the women goes through her life without wanting kids and when her eggs start running low and the panic and guilt creeps in. Then the bitch is nutty and good reason to not fuck crazy. Then again you have the sane ones who just don't want any due to their busy lives. But then again i don't run a internet forum and is censored on the internet.
 
If you don't have kids you might as well have not have existed. Reproducing your genes is one of the easiest ways of leaving your mark on the world.
 
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Islamic women should never have baby goats only because, just like white women, and dogs only bad things occur in that scenerio. In regards to actual human children though, well all things considered it is a natural biological choice to want to have children, though I don't think it's a good idea for everyone to have children. Some people are just garbage and shouldn't have the ability to propagate their trash into subsequent generations. Plus there's too many people anyways, I think we could scale back for a couple or generations to let things balance back out.
 
Not all women want kids but the fact that a woman doesn't have that instinct is a sign that something is wrong. Due to biology and evolution a normal woman with a normal female brain will want to have kids. If we studied the causes of why some women have no maternal instincts we would probably find some form of neurological disorder at the root of the problem.
 
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I don’t want kids because I’m a genetic fuckup and if I were to reproduce my kids would probably be genetic fuckups as well. I think anyone abstaining from having children for this reason is in the right, to be honest. No one wants more tards in this world.
 
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