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"So the sheepdogs bowed out, because they were told they were too much like wolves and any pushback was interpreted as them behaving in a wolfish manner."
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I don't believe that covers all the implications and ramifications in the sheepdog being a modified wolf
for example, it doesn't really cover the nature of the modification by an overseer who simply shifts predation to THEIR (the overseers) benefit.
(which could have imlications such as mere abstracted predation. The lack of agency of the sheepdog and the sheepdog as slave/victim)
nor does it cover dogs don't always bow out, but are shot for "worrying the livestock" (another selection)

[those are just examples and not meant to be exhaustive, there could be myriad others. That's the wonder thing about analogy, though frustrating when trying to make a single point and others find other connections within the model]

The gossman view (which the sheep, sheepdog, wolf analogy is often called) doesn't often explore the wider implications of the power structure, often completely ignoring the overseer role, the shifting of the predation, and applying a conception of "mercy" that is generated from WITHIN the system
 
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Sexy Senior Citizen said:
Something that my father taught me is the lesson of sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. Sheep are not necessarily idiots, sheeple, etc.- they are people too weak to defend themselves. Wolves are men who use their strength to prey on sheep, and sheepdogs are men who use their strength to defend sheep. My father taught me that I should be a sheepdog: I may never feel that constant fear of being raped- but it is something I am aware of and take steps to mitigate when a strange woman is in my presence (e.g., don't stare, keep interactions brief and polite, etc.) To be male is to be powerful enough to hurt others- to be a man is to be strong enough to keep that power under control, and use it to protect the weak from the strong. I feel not enough boys are taught this fundamental lesson.

I know some Kiwis will disagree with me here, but I really think the current "troons preying on women" madness derived from the feminism of the mid to late 1900s. In particular, it came from the belief that chivalry was inherently sexist- that a man using his strength to protect a woman is somehow wrong. Of course, men could have used their strength and whatever cultural hegemony they had to push back, but that would have been using their strength on women- something they had been taught not to do. So the sheepdogs bowed out, because they were told they were too much like wolves and any pushback was interpreted as them behaving in a wolfish manner. So now the real wolves are circling the flock, and there are no sheepdogs to protect the sheep.

Consider: it is largely women pushing back against the troons. Men simply don't step in unless they, or a woman they care about, is personally threatened. Otherwise, they simply watch as J. K. Rowling is #Canceled, as Jonathan Yaniv forces poor migrant women to wax his balls, and as trannies demand lesbians to suck that girldick. They sit on their hands as Labelle demands access to women's only spaces, as Kevin Gibes spouts his mysoginistic screeds under the guise of transgender rights, and as boys pretend to be girls so they can dominate women's sports. They have been told that women are equally capable as men and that using their strength to protect women is wrong, so they do nothing but watch the flock get devoured.

But men sitting by while women suffer is nothing new. Edmund Burke, an Irish stateman, saw Marie Antoinette when she was the dauphiness and firmly believed all of France would cry for war if someone even looked at her wrong. When he heard she had been dragged screaming to the guillotine, he wrote the following:



I know some people will agree, and some will disagree. This is just some old man's rambling thoughts on the topic; take them as you will.
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I think you’re onto something but I also think the problem of men not speaking out against troons also stems from how normal men just aren’t on Twitter/Facebook/social media that much unless there’s a specific reason to be, specifically for example if they’re rewarded for actively maintaining a public presence due to their role in society like if they’re an actor or politician. So you’re going to get a higher proportion of always online autists (troons/furries/deviants), cluster B women and very young, naive women, especially in the kind of networks Labelle is in, but even in the case of say JK Rowling’s comment section on Twitter.

It’s also that both normal men and women who haven’t had repeated personal interactions with trannies where the autogynephilia comes to light don’t particularly care to spend any amount of time thinking about them beyond “oh just another LGBT rights issue, sounds legit.” They might hear about people like Yaniv when high profile cases leak into the public view, but they assume cases like that are the exception and not the norm and so don’t believe trans people are predators. So in your analogy it’s more like the wolves are dressing up as sheep and half the flock tell the sheepdogs it’s really ok because those wolves are sheep on the inside, and many of the sheepdogs also think this because they don’t see the wolves in costume pick off a sheep every so often when their backs are turned.
 
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Sexy Senior Citizen said:
Something that my father taught me is the lesson of sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. Sheep are not necessarily idiots, sheeple, etc.- they are people too weak to defend themselves. Wolves are men who use their strength to prey on sheep, and sheepdogs are men who use their strength to defend sheep. My father taught me that I should be a sheepdog: I may never feel that constant fear of being raped- but it is something I am aware of and take steps to mitigate when a strange woman is in my presence (e.g., don't stare, keep interactions brief and polite, etc.) To be male is to be powerful enough to hurt others- to be a man is to be strong enough to keep that power under control, and use it to protect the weak from the strong. I feel not enough boys are taught this fundamental lesson.

I know some Kiwis will disagree with me here, but I really think the current "troons preying on women" madness derived from the feminism of the mid to late 1900s. In particular, it came from the belief that chivalry was inherently sexist- that a man using his strength to protect a woman is somehow wrong. Of course, men could have used their strength and whatever cultural hegemony they had to push back, but that would have been using their strength on women- something they had been taught not to do. So the sheepdogs bowed out, because they were told they were too much like wolves and any pushback was interpreted as them behaving in a wolfish manner. So now the real wolves are circling the flock, and there are no sheepdogs to protect the sheep.

Consider: it is largely women pushing back against the troons. Men simply don't step in unless they, or a woman they care about, is personally threatened. Otherwise, they simply watch as J. K. Rowling is #Canceled, as Jonathan Yaniv forces poor migrant women to wax his balls, and as trannies demand lesbians to suck that girldick. They sit on their hands as Labelle demands access to women's only spaces, as Kevin Gibes spouts his mysoginistic screeds under the guise of transgender rights, and as boys pretend to be girls so they can dominate women's sports. They have been told that women are equally capable as men and that using their strength to protect women is wrong, so they do nothing but watch the flock get devoured.
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Up until a year or so ago I would have disagreed. Having seen what we are up against, now I agree. Those few "sheepdogs" left, like Graham Linehan, are fundamental. Occasionally he'll use less than nice methods like digging up particularly unflattering pictures of troons and prominent terfs will gasp and remark on how radfems and gender crits need to be the bigger people... Except taking the moral high ground only helps as long as your opponents are willing to play on a moral turf; the troons abandoned it years ago.
 
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Der weiße Teufel said:
"Very Lörge"? Does he think sticking random umlauts in words makes it cool? And while I guess some young women CAN get away with wearing cutesy pyjamas, no grownup should walk around in those abominations.
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I think the creature believes that umlauts will prevent us from noticing that "LORGE" is supposed to be an UwU-so-kyoot misspelling of large. As in fat. And Labelle is definitely fat.
 
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Terfoon said:
Except taking the moral high ground only helps as long as your opponents are willing to play on a moral turf; the troons abandoned it years ago.
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To borrow a phrase from Scalia, troons are used to being able to fight freestyle, while requiring the other side to follow Marquess of Queensberry rules. I say if they want a street fight, give it to them.
 
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Acktually the lived experience of feeling threatened trumps problematic things like ‘facts’ and ‘reality’! (***As long as you are an in-vogue minority group punching up and have the correct opinions)
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Those are awfully reminiscent of toddler PJs. Just saying. Same fabric look, same kind of colors and patterns. Just add footies and stitch the crotch up. The pocket looks like a bum flap.
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I was thinking the same, it’s like he wants to emulate wearing a diaper or something since they have a very odd look, I’ve got hoodies and none of the pockets are that low, maybe it’s to hide his errection when he’s near kids or something.
 
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$79 for that? Yeah, no thanks, I'll be taking my money elsewhere and to an artist that actually gives a shit about their work and one who isn't a pedo who uses pictures of real kids to create disgusting cub art.
 
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In the wolf/sheepdog conversation:

I think its worth discussing how men have also been told by the virtue of being male they are evil and bad and the cause of everyone's suffering. I am sympathetic to things I've seen the white males in my life be told, often men who they themselves have legitimate struggle whether economic or mental health related and are essentially told their issue doesn't matter because their existence oppresses those around them.

Don't get me wrong please, I do believe men are stronger than women because I'm rational and sane, but there is something to be said of telling someone constantly how horrible they are for something they were born as and then them bowing out of the situation instead of continuing to be shit on. I think this is why you just don't see many cis-het males engaging in these communities, they've already disconnected because they were painted as the villain.

Its very easy for a sickness to grow in silence, and I think thats largely what goes on with the trans community. There is illness in beyond dysphoria that goes unaddressed and becomes their new norm and the people around them don't see it because its not their community. Then when someone does see it they're viewed as transphobic because what we see as a problem is part and parcel of the group instead of an outlier. At the end of the day, transwomen are men at their core and that is how they fight, debate, and handle conflict. And its reflected in the way they defend themselves against critique with the transmen around the edges not really getting front and center as much.
 
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Those are awfully reminiscent of toddler PJs. Just saying. Same fabric look, same kind of colors and patterns. Just add footies and stitch the crotch up. The pocket looks like a bum flap.
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I thought exactly the same thing. Maybe he’s trying to lean into the pedo- sorry, “little” - thing even more.
 
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I do believe men are stronger than women because I'm rational and sane
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There's physical strength and emotional strength, and I feel like you're conflating the two. Men are physically stronger, but emotionally?

It's interesting to see how troons retain the male ways of socialization and I think part of the 41% is that they don't really know how to build support networks with each other.

I can't speak for how the tranch operates, but Kevin is obviously and pathetically needy and not getting his emotional needs met. Tranniv is a detestable person, but he doesn't have actual friends. He's got girls he catfishes, but there's nobody he can be real with.

Like it's sad how little support is given for post-amhole care. A group of women would organize and support each other through something like that. Bring food over, help with getting in and out of the tub, watch a stupid movie while dilating, shit like that.

And I think one of the things that makes AGP troons dangerous and scary is their conflation of emotional neediness and sexual neediness. All men do this to some extent, but with AGPs they seem unable to differentiate lust and desire for companionship.
 
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Emotional strength is distinct from physical, however, the methods of debate displayed by men are normally different than women and thats not related to emotion.

EDIT: Just to clarify I don't think one sex is better at arguing than another, just that they argue in different ways so when women are confronted by troon ideology in women's spaces they approach it as is their norm. However, the troons are using their norm and it permits them to run over a lot of women who often aren't willing to get aggressive in response.
 
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