MCU Television and Animation Series on Disney + - WandaVision, FATWS, Loki, etc

I didn't get the jump on the episode like I did with WandaVision, but I thought it was a decent first episode. I thought the set up was good and while you guys insert politics into it and complain about woke shit, I'm feeling bad for Bucky because you know he has to tell Iori that he killed his son and it might end badly for their friendship. And I'm glad to be getting some backstory and character stuff for Sam and how he doesn't feel he can live up to Steve.

I'll be enjoying this for what it is and not looking for a deeper message because it's good capeshit.
 
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Stark had roughly five years to figure out something, which he seems to have done given that Natasha was running things at the start of Endgame, and she also ultimately betrayed Tony's side in Civil War.

EDIT: Although I should point out this whole financial stupidity is a fairly small plot point that I think is just meant to show another aspect of the larger theme of both Bucky and Sam having trouble adapting and re-adjusting to normal life. It's just a really stupid plot point.
That's gonna be interesting to see in her film. How the fuck she got to Russia from America so fast and with so little cash....and probably a fake passport.
 
I haven't watched this yet, but don't they know he's an Avenger?
He's one of the Avengers who became an international fugitive after Civil War, and prior to that was probably a wanted felon for stealing his flight suit from the US Air Force.

I wonder how much normal people know of Endgame. They probably know about Tony Stark and Captain America. But do they know about C-listers and tag-alongs like The Wasp, Starlord and Peter Parker? Do you think there are superheroes in the MCU claiming to have been at the battle when they weren't anywhere near it?
 
He's one of the Avengers who became an international fugitive after Civil War, and prior to that was probably a wanted felon for stealing his flight suit from the US Air Force.

I wonder how much normal people know of Endgame. They probably know about Tony Stark and Captain America. But do they know about C-listers and tag-alongs like The Wasp, Starlord and Peter Parker? Do you think there are superheroes in the MCU claiming to have been at the battle when they weren't anywhere near it?
With the way people were talking about the events of Infinity War & Endgame in WandaVision you'd think there was a documentary crew filming everything.
 
With the way people were talking about the events of Infinity War & Endgame in WandaVision you'd think there was a documentary crew filming everything.
Five years is a long time to fact check, to be fair. Not to mention there were plenty of people who survived Thanos's final attack who probably had to submit themselves for psych evals.
 
Forgive my autism but I am pretty sure if the door of a plane would fly off people wouldn't stand around inside in complete silence, other than that an okay setup episode.
 
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So I finally finished WandaVision:

Honestly, I really wanted to love this show. There are aspects of it that I totally enjoyed. In a day and age where the MCU and superhero stuff in general is has become overplayed and stale, I was REALLY digging what this show was doing.

Putting Wanda and Vision in a TV Sitcom land with all kinds of references and parodies but played earnestly gave the show a few things that separated it from normal "cape shit". It gave the show a weird and off beat feel that no other MCU project to date really has. It felt like a Twilight Zone miniseries where something weird was happening, so the mystery kept me engaged while I was also enjoying the weirdness of the situation.

Unfortunately, the plot had to kick in around episodes 4 and 5, spoiled the mystery, become one massive plot dump after another, and put the show into "typical MCU' territory and undercut what I was really enjoying. The SWORD stuff was pointless shoehorned material put there for the sake of doing what the MCU always does: 1) Connects to other movies, 2) Set up other movies and 3) Give excuses for action set pieces. I don't want to sound like I'm crapping on the MCU, because I'm not. Its just that we're at a point where the MCU is in "Been there, done that" territory, especially after the grand climax of Endgame. The TV show stuff gave me hope that there was more creativity left in the MCU, but they just went back to doing what they always do.

The last episode in particular was a giant mess. Too much action, too much of a CGI laser lights show, and cramming everything and every character in there. I mean we had three fights all going on at once (Wanda/Agatha, Vision/White Vision, and Rambeau/Fake-Silver) and then they did that Incredibles moment where the family fights the military (seriously, they even did the pose!). It all just felt bloated. Agatha, unfortunately, got reduced to just explaining stuff that's happening right in front of our eyes. Its a shame too because her reveal was one of the show's big highlights (that damn song was fantastic, lol) but in the end, she kind of got reduced to "Bad guy go grrr and qup and blow stuff up!".

And parts of it felt underdeveloped. I mean Stuffy Government asshole with SWORD (I didn't bother trying to remember his name). What exactly did he do that was illegal? Kat Dennings was all like "Have fun in jail!" but for the life of me, I can't think of anything that he did. He shot at fake kids? Made a new Vision which, as far as I can tell, isn't illegal. He's, at worst, a dickhead. Again, if you cut out all the SWORD stuff to begin with, you don't have this problem.

And Monica was a lot better when she was the friend in the sitcom. When she became super powered (how did she get powers again?), she became all about spouting generic platitudes, some of which make no sense. (Saying "Don't let him make you the villain" when Wanda already enslaved an entire town of people seems a bit off, doesn't it?).

It sounds like I'm crapping on the show, but I didn't hate it. Before getting into the stuff I liked, I wanted to point out the issues I had. It kind of felt like this show was at war with itself. It wanted to be this cool off beat and weird thing that enhanced two of The Avengers, while also adhering to the strict and rigid guidelines of what is expected from an MCU project. There was some fat that needed to be trimmed from this.

The stuff I liked? The TV show worlds that were created were fantastic. The sets were great, the feel of each show they referenced was pitch perfect, and the actors played it wonderfully. Elizabeth Olsen in particular nailed it. In the movies, she seemed like she was just somebody doing an accent and going pew pew with CGI magic, but here, she feels more like a fully fleshed out character. Her performances in the sitcom world being created was top notch. And the way they revealed Wanda's backstory and what those old shows actually meant to her really enhanced Wanda's character for me. And Paul Bettany as Vision is ALOT more charming here than he is in the movies. He fits in naturally in the sitcom worlds, and was great as kind of the moral compass of the show. Also, since he has no clue what's going on, he SHOULD have been the audience surrogate that tries to uncover the mystery...a shame they revealed the mystery midway through.

The idea of Wanda enslaving a town to live in her sugar coated sitcom fantasy was dark and tragic and for all the guff I gave the finale, that part of it worked out well. And it was heartbreaking to have her say goodbye to the family she created. But it was also appropriate that she had to leave that behind as well. I was worried they were going to have her live in the sitcom world in a self contained house in a "have their cake and eat it too" type of ending, but thankfully they didn't do that.

I'll say this. In the movies, I felt almost nothing for both Wanda and Vision, who always felt like bit players in The Avengers, and largely just there to go "pew pew" at the bad guys. Here, I felt alot more for them as a couple and as individuals, so the show achieved that for sure.

And I can't say enough how much I enjoyed all the sitcom weirdness. The theme songs, the commercials, the Agatha reveal (she was outstanding by the way), and all the uses of standard sitcom cliches from each time period was charming and fun, but also a nice cover for the darkness lying underneath.

Basically, if they had done the following things, the show would have been fantastic:
1) Drop the SWORD stuff almost entirely. It wasn't necessary. If that means losing Stuffy McDickhead, Nega Vision, and Super Powered Monica, then so be it.

2) Don't do the big revelations until the tail end. Have hints throughout. For example, I would have liked Kat Dennings' inclusion alot more if she just popped up in the show at some point and we all go "Hey, she was in the Thor movies..." and then do the reveal at the end. Let Vision trying to uncover the mystery be the payoff at the end...not a stupid fight with Nega-Vision (I know that's not his name, but I'm calling him that....or maybe even Reverse Vision. Whatever). Every episode should have been a sitcom episode of some kind until the end.

3) Basically make the Penultimate episode the last episode. Do the stuff with Agatha walking through Wanda's life with all those reveals, have a wizard's duel between her and Wanda (have the cool Rune trick at the end, but lose the CGI flying fight stuff). Then Wanda says goodbye to her family like in the finale and walking away from the fake world, and reveal that SWORD has been trying to get in the whole time but couldn't (which accounts for Monica and Darcy showing up in the sitcom).

Basically, I liked it, but I could have loved it if they had steered away from Typical MCU type of stuff.
 
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So I finally finished WandaVision:

Honestly, I really wanted to love this show. There are aspects of it that I totally enjoyed. In a day and age where the MCU and superhero stuff in general is has become overplayed and stale, I was REALLY digging what this show was doing.

Putting Wanda and Vision in a TV Sitcom land with all kinds of references and parodies but played earnestly gave the show a few things that separated it from normal "cape shit". It gave the show a weird and off beat feel that no other MCU project to date really has. It felt like a Twilight Zone miniseries where something weird was happening, so the mystery kept me engaged while I was also enjoying the weirdness of the situation.

Unfortunately, the plot had to kick in around episodes 4 and 5, spoiled the mystery, become one massive plot dump after another, and put the show into "typical MCU' territory and undercut what I was really enjoying. The SWORD stuff was pointless shoehorned material put there for the sake of doing what the MCU always does: 1) Connects to other movies, 2) Set up other movies and 3) Give excuses for action set pieces. I don't want to sound like I'm crapping on the MCU, because I'm not. Its just that we're at a point where the MCU is in "Been there, done that" territory, especially after the grand climax of Endgame. The TV show stuff gave me hope that there was more creativity left in the MCU, but they just went back to doing what they always do.

The last episode in particular was a giant mess. Too much action, too much of a CGI laser lights show, and cramming everything and every character in there. I mean we had three fights all going on at once (Wanda/Agatha, Vision/White Vision, and Rambeau/Fake-Silver) and then they did that Incredibles moment where the family fights the military (seriously, they even did the pose!). It all just felt bloated. Agatha, unfortunately, got reduced to just explaining stuff that's happening right in front of our eyes. Its a shame too because her reveal was one of the show's big highlights (that damn song was fantastic, lol) but in the end, she kind of got reduced to "Bad guy go grrr and qup and blow stuff up!".

And parts of it felt underdeveloped. I mean Stuffy Government asshole with SWORD (I didn't bother trying to remember his name). What exactly did he do that was illegal? Kat Dennings was all like "Have fun in jail!" but for the life of me, I can't think of anything that he did. He shot at fake kids? Made a new Vision which, as far as I can tell, isn't illegal. He's, at worst, a dickhead. Again, if you cut out all the SWORD stuff to begin with, you don't have this problem.

And Monica was a lot better when she was the friend in the sitcom. When she became super powered (how did she get powers again?), she became all about spouting generic platitudes, some of which make no sense. (Saying "Don't let him make you the villain" when Wanda already enslaved an entire town of people seems a bit off, doesn't it?).

It sounds like I'm crapping on the show, but I didn't hate it. Before getting into the stuff I liked, I wanted to point out the issues I had. It kind of felt like this show was at war with itself. It wanted to be this cool off beat and weird thing that enhanced two of The Avengers, while also adhering to the strict and rigid guidelines of what is expected from an MCU project. There was some fat that needed to be trimmed from this.

The stuff I liked? The TV show worlds that were created were fantastic. The sets were great, the feel of each show they referenced was pitch perfect, and the actors played it wonderfully. Elizabeth Olsen in particular nailed it. In the movies, she seemed like she was just somebody doing an accent and going pew pew with CGI magic, but here, she feels more like a fully fleshed out character. Her performances in the sitcom world being created was top notch. And the way they revealed Wanda's backstory and what those old shows actually meant to her really enhanced Wanda's character for me. And Paul Bettany as Vision is ALOT more charming here than he is in the movies. He fits in naturally in the sitcom worlds, and was great as kind of the moral compass of the show. Also, since he has no clue what's going on, he SHOULD have been the audience surrogate that tries to uncover the mystery...a shame they revealed the mystery midway through.

The idea of Wanda enslaving a town to live in her sugar coated sitcom fantasy was dark and tragic and for all the guff I gave the finale, that part of it worked out well. And it was heartbreaking to have her say goodbye to the family she created. But it was also appropriate that she had to leave that behind as well. I was worried they were going to have her live in the sitcom world in a self contained house in a "have their cake and eat it too" type of ending, but thankfully they didn't do that.

I'll say this. In the movies, I felt almost nothing for both Wanda and Vision, who always felt like bit players in The Avengers, and largely just there to go "pew pew" at the bad guys. Here, I felt alot more for them as a couple and as individuals, so the show achieved that for sure.

And I can't say enough how much I enjoyed all the sitcom weirdness. The theme songs, the commercials, the Agatha reveal (she was outstanding by the way), and all the uses of standard sitcom cliches from each time period was charming and fun, but also a nice cover for the darkness lying underneath.

Basically, if they had done the following things, the show would have been fantastic:
1) Drop the SWORD stuff almost entirely. It wasn't necessary. If that means losing Stuffy McDickhead and Super Powered Monica, then so be it.

2) Don't do the big revelations until the tail end. Have hints throughout. For example, I would have liked Kat Dennings' inclusion alot more if she just popped up in the show at some point and we all go "Hey, she was in the Thor movies..." and then do the reveal at the end. Let Vision trying to uncover the mystery be the payoff at the end...not a stupid fight with Nega-Vision (I know that's not his name, but I'm calling him that....or maybe even Reverse Vision. Whatever). Every episode should have been a sitcom episode of some kind until the end.

3) Basically make the Penultimate episode the last episode. Do the stuff with Agatha walking through Wanda's life with all those reveals, have a wizard's duel between her and Wanda (have the cool Rune trick at the end, but lose the CGI flying fight stuff). Then Wanda says goodbye to her family like in the finale and walking away from the fake world, and reveal that SWORD has been trying to get in the whole time but couldn't (which accounts for Monica and Darcy showing up in the sitcom).

Basically, I liked it, but I could have loved it if they had steered away from Typical MCU type of stuff.
I basically agree with all of this. I'm really looking forward to what happens to Wanda and Vision next.
 
The Madripoor and Zemo stuff was good in the most recent episode. Everything else was okay, I guess. With only three episodes left I'm curious as to how well they're going to be able to tie everything together and conclude it.
 
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The Madripoor and Zemo stuff was good in the most recent episode. Everything else was okay, I guess. With only three episodes left I'm curious as to how well they're going to be able to tie everything together and conclude it.
The dialogue was pretty rough this episode, but once Zemo was out of jail the episode picked up a bit. As it stands it was probably the weakest of the three episodes so far.
 
Ok Disney, you've piqued my curiosity. Let's see how you fuck it up this time.
 
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Can't help but notice they've hidden this woman's face in not one but two trailers now. Maybe that rumour about Lady Loki is true after all.
 

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The Madripoor and Zemo stuff was good in the most recent episode. Everything else was okay, I guess. With only three episodes left I'm curious as to how well they're going to be able to tie everything together and conclude it.

Well one for certain is class warfare is going to happen. Can't wait for the generic evil capitalist stand in to show up near the end bragging about how the government gimp and NotKatinessEverdeen got played like fiddles while giving us winks about how the real bad guy is the war profiteers who took advantage of the Blip to cut jobs, force people to live in pods and eating bug burgers while Falcon makes some speech about freedom and working together before Walker goes crazy.
 
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I heard a rumor Nat might show up in flashback. I hope its true but the MCU sometimes ruins things
Not to dc levels tho
 
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Episode 4 of FATWS

  • Sam is sympathetic to the Flag-Smashers' cause, but disagrees with their methods.
  • The Dora Milaje let Zemo escape by starting a fight with John Walker, then attacking Sam and Bucky for stepping in so they don't kill him.
  • This humiliation at the hands of the Dora Milaje leads to Walker taking the vial of super serum that he recovered earlier in the episode. (The rest were destroyed by Zemo.)
  • Sam's sister gets another cringey scene where she says that America doesn't represent her and she doesn't care who their mascot is.
  • We're going to get articles complaining that killing off Battlestar is problematic.
  • The final shot of the episode is John Walker holding a bloodstained shield after using it to execute one of the Flag-Smashers in the public square.
 
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