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[The Valeyard]

A new trailer for The Falcon and the Winter Solider was released.

Looks like your standard Marvel fare with some buddy cop elements thrown in.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

A new trailer for The Falcon and the Winter Solider was released.

Looks like your standard Marvel fare with some buddy cop elements thrown in.

I want a Bucky series, but why does it also have to have the fucking Falcon in it? How about Bucky and The Wasp? Bucky and Elektra? Bucky and Jubilee?

 

[Goodbye Horses]

I want a Bucky series, but why does it also have to have the fucking Falcon in it? How about Bucky and The Wasp? Bucky and Elektra? Bucky and Jubilee?

Because they want to do the whole black Captain America bit for woke points, but Anthony Mackie just doesn't have the charisma for a leading role so they're teaming him up with Sebastian Stan to stop the audience falling into a coma halfway through the first episode. Watch the second season of Altered Carbon if you want to see him have a bunch of c-list TV actors act circles round him while he stands there and scowls.

 

[Oats12345]

Because they want to do the whole black Captain America bit for woke points, but Anthony Mackie just doesn't have the charisma for a leading role so they're teaming him up with Sebastian Stan to stop the audience falling into a coma halfway through the first episode. Watch the second season of Altered Carbon if you want to see him have a bunch of c-list TV actors act circles round him while he stands there and scowls.

So that's got to be embarrassing your an actor who stars in big Hollywood super hero movies and there are c-list actors on a TV show your in that are better than you with acting.

Anyways I don't know I really didn't mind falcan becoming Captain America in the comics. So in the show itself is he refer to as the new captain America. Since the show has Falcan on the title?

 

[starborn427614]

So that's got to be embarrassing your an actor who stars in big Hollywood super hero movies and there are c-list actors on a TV show your in that are better than you with acting.

Anyways I don't know I really didn't mind falcan becoming Captain America in the comics. So in the show itself is he refer to as the new captain America. Since the show has Falcan on the title?

There isn't any evidence to point to him being Cap right now. US Agent(?) is the guy currently wielding the shield.

 

[Oats12345]

There isn't any evidence to point to him being Cap right now. US Agent(?) is the guy currently wielding the shield.

There bringing in US Agent to the MCU intresting. Hope they don't mess it up

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Unpopular opinion: Sam deserved Cap's shield more than Bucky in Endgame. Marvel and Disney's reasoning to give Sam the shield was obviously for woke points, but from a narrative perspective, I do actually think that Sam deserved it more.

Sam was with Cap every single step of the way in Winter Soldier, Civil War, and Infinity War, while Bucky was a threat/terrorist due to brainwashing and torture. Sam, to me, definitely feels more like Cap's protégé than Bucky does at this point. The Winter Soldier became a household name as a terrorist as well ... Probably wouldn't play well with that guy as the "new " Captain America.

With this series, I am most excited about Zemo. He's one of the best MCU villains ... And I hope that Baron Zemo turns out to be awesome.

 

[Goodbye Horses]

Unpopular opinion: Sam deserved Cap's shield more than Bucky in Endgame. Marvel and Disney's reasoning to give Sam the shield was obviously for woke points, but from a narrative perspective, I do actually think that Sam deserved it more.

It's not a participation trophy.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

It's not a participation trophy.

Exactly, which is why the shield shouldn't have gone to Bucky.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Exactly, which is why the shield shouldn't have gone to Bucky.

Cap is the only dude who knows how to use the shield. Falcon doesn't have the skills or the strength to use it. If you're going to give it to Falcon, at least melt it the fuck down and turn it into something he can use.

 

[starborn427614]

Cap is the only dude who knows how to use the shield. Falcon doesn't have the skills or the strength to use it. If you're going to give it to Falcon, at least melt it the fuck down and turn it into something he can use.

You see him training with the thing in the trailer. It's just a piece of metal, you need reflexes and the mental strength to calculate angles and you're good to go.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Cap is the only dude who knows how to use the shield. Falcon doesn't have the skills or the strength to use it. If you're going to give it to Falcon, at least melt it the fuck down and turn it into something he can use.

Well, first and foremost, Sam would be using it effectively enough ... By using the shield as a shield.

It looks to me that the series is giving Falcon a character arc that ultimately leads him to earning the shield (in his eyes), which is what the show should do if it's any good. I'm hoping that's the case, and that the show doesn't suck (and if it does suck, I'll definitely say it). We'll see soon enough, I guess. The training sequences that have been shown in the trailers are promising.

I still think that Sam deserves the shield more than Bucky. Firstly, Bucky could very well still be a liability due to his brainwashing. Secondly, it would be weird optics to say the least if The Winter Soldier became the next Captain America. Bucky had been in hiding post-Civil War and then "died" in Infinity War; as far as we know, Bucky is still very much an enemy to several world governments.

Steve gave Sam the shield because of his values and his sacrifices: Sam became a superhero/Avenger when he helped Cap in The Winter Soldier and then became an outlaw in Civil War for Cap ... All because he held the exact same values as Steve. If anyone adores, respects, and appreciates what Captain America means to the world, it's Sam.

At the end of the day, isn't it a much more interesting story to see a character work for the shield and the title of Captain America, rather than another super soldier using the shield easy peasy? Steve was the underdog in The First Avenger, and if this show plays their cards right, then Sam will be one as well.

 

[Oats12345]

Well, first and foremost, Sam would be using it effectively enough ... By using the shield as a shield.

It looks to me that the series is giving Falcon a character arc that ultimately leads him to earning the shield (in his eyes), which is what the show should do if it's any good. I'm hoping that's the case, and that the show doesn't suck (and if it does suck, I'll definitely say it). We'll see soon enough, I guess. The training sequences that have been shown in the trailers are promising.

I still think that Sam deserves the shield more than Bucky. Firstly, Bucky could very well still be a liability due to his brainwashing. Secondly, it would be weird optics to say the least if The Winter Soldier became the next Captain America. Bucky had been in hiding post-Civil War and then "died" in Infinity War; as far as we know, Bucky is still very much an enemy to several world governments.

Steve gave Sam the shield because of his values and his sacrifices: Sam became a superhero/Avenger when he helped Cap in The Winter Soldier and then became an outlaw in Civil War for Cap ... All because he held the exact same values as Steve. If anyone adores, respects, and appreciates what Captain America means to the world, it's Sam.

At the end of the day, isn't it a much more interesting story to see a character work for the shield and the title of Captain America, rather than another super soldier using the shield easy peasy? Steve was the underdog in The First Avenger, and if this show plays their cards right, then Sam will be one as well.

That's what I want to see be done. I want see Sam to at first feel like he's not worthy to be the next captain America, but at the very end he realizes that he is.

I actually do like Sam as a character. So I pray to God they don't screw this up.

 

[starborn427614]

That's what I want to see be done. I want see Sam to at first feel like he's not worthy to be the next captain America, but at the very end he realizes that he is.

I actually do like Sam as a character. So I pray to God they don't screw this up.

Anthony Mackie does a lot of heavy lifting for the character. I couldn't give a shit about Falcon in the comics, but his dry wit makes for an entertaining adaptation.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Bucky definitely doesn't deserve the shield but Sam being a sidekick doesn't really make him worthy of it either, though making Falcon worthy seems to be the purpose of the show. So, as long as they don't screw up it up it should work out fine.

As for USAgent I fear he'll end up like Hayward: a poorly written government goon character that becomes increasingly one-dimensional and cartoonishly evil.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

You see him training with the thing in the trailer. It's just a piece of metal, you need reflexes and the mental strength to calculate angles and you're good to go.

No, he needs physical strength to use it effectively. The real Cap was taking blows from dudes like Thor and Thanos with the shield. Falcon would get fucking flattened if he tried to deflect Mjolnir with the shield.

Bucky actually has the enhancements to use the shield effectively, but I don't know why either of them would use the shield instead of a gun or a random piece of Stark tech.

 

[Gar For Archer]

No, he needs physical strength to use it effectively. The real Cap was taking blows from dudes like Thor and Thanos with the shield. Falcon would get fucking flattened if he tried to deflect Mjolnir with the shield.

Bucky actually has the enhancements to use the shield effectively, but I don't know why either of them would use the shield instead of a gun or a random piece of Stark tech.

I mean there’s always the question of “why doesn’t literally everyone just use a custom Iron Man suit?”

In-universe, it makes no sense for the human characters to NOT all at least train to use the suits even if they don’t wear it full-time, because as they’re presented, they’re a massive boost to all of your physical abilities, PLUS the ability to fly, with zero downsides. And unlike the other supersuits (Antman & BP) there’s no artificial scarcity of material limiting how many are can be made, Tony has (well.. had) a fully-stocked armory of suits and certainly has enough money to replace the ones he blew up.

Out-of-universe, of course this’ll never happen because having all your unpowered characters get a baseline boost with Iron Man suits would be boring, and you need to do something to differentiate characters’ power sets. But there isn’t really a plot justification that can be made for all the baseline humans not wearing Iron Man suits, so it’s best to just not ask that question at all.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

I mean there’s always the question of “why doesn’t literally everyone just use a custom Iron Man suit?”

I think Iron Man 2 basically answers this: he was afraid of his designs and secrets falling into the wrong hands. With the upcoming Armor Wars series we'll probably see the results of something like that happening.

 

[Overly Serious]

A new trailer for The Falcon and the Winter Solider was released.

Looks like your standard Marvel fare with some buddy cop elements thrown in.

Is that a different actor playing Bucky or can I just not recognize people when they cut their hair?

In-universe, it makes no sense for the human characters to NOT all at least train to use the suits even if they don’t wear it full-time, because as they’re presented, they’re a massive boost to all of your physical abilities, PLUS the ability to fly, with zero downsides. And unlike the other supersuits (Antman & BP) there’s no artificial scarcity of material limiting how many are can be made, Tony has (well.. had) a fully-stocked armory of suits and certainly has enough money to replace the ones he blew up.

Human characters:

• Bucky - killed Tony's dad. No suits!
• Rhodie - does have a suit.
• Black Widow - suit doesn't play to her infiltration / sneak around skillset
• Star Lord (who?) - doesn't know Tony
• Spiderman - does have a suit.
• Dr. Strange - doesn't need a suit. Also, probably doesn't mesh well with spells and all those hand-gestures.
• Banner - would destroy suit repeatedly. Negates his best ability.
• Thor - is stronger than suit. His hammer pulls him off.
• Nebula - is a suit.
• Gamora - doesn't know Tony.
• Mantis - abilities require touch.
• Drax - wildly unneeded but would be funny.
• Captain Marvel - not going to lie, would look kind of hot. But she doesn't need it.
• Antman - has better suit.
• Hawkeye - can't use bow in suit. Could have own suit. But doesn't really want to be an avenger anyway.
• Wanda - see Captain Marvel.
• Vision - is a suit.
• Black Panther - has own suit.
• Pepper - has suit.
• Nick Fury, Maria Hill, any associate - has already tried to rip off Hydra weaponry secretly. Utterly untrustworthy with being given tech. Every time they get Stark tech, ends badly.

I could keep going, I'm just naming the heroes in the order they pop into my head. Of them Stark has given suits to several, others plainly don't need it or else it hinders them in another way. And as for just giving them to ordinary people, we see in IM2 that he doesn't trust it in other people's hands and in IM3 we see he's right not to trust others with that level of tech - look what the villain does with the fire-dna stuff.

 

[starborn427614]

Is that a different actor playing Bucky or can I just not recognize people when they cut their hair?


Human characters:

• Bucky - killed Tony's dad. No suits!
• Rhodie - does have a suit.
• Black Widow - suit doesn't play to her infiltration / sneak around skillset
• Star Lord (who?) - doesn't know Tony
• Spiderman - does have a suit.
• Dr. Strange - doesn't need a suit. Also, probably doesn't mesh well with spells and all those hand-gestures.
• Banner - would destroy suit repeatedly. Negates his best ability.
• Thor - is stronger than suit. His hammer pulls him off.
• Nebula - is a suit.
• Gamora - doesn't know Tony.
• Mantis - abilities require touch.
• Drax - wildly unneeded but would be funny.
• Captain Marvel - not going to lie, would look kind of hot. But she doesn't need it.
• Antman - has better suit.
• Hawkeye - can't use bow in suit. Could have own suit. But doesn't really want to be an avenger anyway.
• Wanda - see Captain Marvel.
• Vision - is a suit.
• Black Panther - has own suit.
• Pepper - has suit.
• Nick Fury, Maria Hill, any associate - has already tried to rip off Hydra weaponry secretly. Utterly untrustworthy with being given tech. Every time they get Stark tech, ends badly.

I could keep going, I'm just naming the heroes in the order they pop into my head. Of them Stark has given suits to several, others plainly don't need it or else it hinders them in another way. And as for just giving them to ordinary people, we see in IM2 that he doesn't trust it in other people's hands and in IM3 we see he's right not to trust others with that level of tech - look what the villain does with the fire-dna stuff.

Same dude, he just looks a bit weird with short hair.