Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

[Potatis Salad]

PART 2: JOE TANGLES WITH JESSE SINGAL...AGAIN

In his first paid piece for Substack, posted today, Joe made these claims about Jesse Singal:

He has referred to trans people as a “contagion”

and:

Singal...demanded that Foreign Policy take down my essay,

People on Twitter asked Joe when and where Jesse Singal had said these things. By way of evidence, Joe eventually produced some "receipts": screenshots of the relevant excerpts of Singal's work.

Unfortunately, the screencaps showed that Singal did NOT in fact say "trans people are a contagion." He really said this:

When parents discuss the reasons they question their children's desire to transition, whether in online forums or in response to a journalist's questions, many mention "social contagion." These parents are worried that their kids are influenced by the gender-identity exploration they're seeing online and perhaps at school or in other social settings, rather than experiencing gender dysphoria.

And Singal did NOT in fact demand that Foreign Policy take down Joe's shitstain of an essay. Singal really said this:

I could go on and on, because even beyond the plainly wrong or misleading stuff in Lavery’s article, so many aspects of it struck me as bizarre, wrongheaded, and argumentatively thin (the gymnast analogy! Oh my God). Suffice it to say I think Foreign Policy should correct the most serious errors, and suffice it to say I doubt that will happen. At the very least, I hope editors understand the effect these sorts of articles likely have on readers.

Several people confronted Joe about this glaring inconsistency. Here's one dialog he attempted with a critic. If you like Socrates, well, you'll love Joe Lavery's brain diarrhea:

In a textbook narc tactic, Joe repeatedly tries to direct attention away from his own easily caught lies about Singal's work and onto the REAL issue: trying to force Singal to declare that Glinner, who has nothing to do with this, is a harasser!


There are several layers of insanity to this. The fact that Joe thought he could get away with so blatantly mischaracterizing Singal's work is bizarre by itself. There are even more weird, obvious lies in the full Substack piece which I linked at the top of this post. Joe is not stupid; he knows that tons of people will do the work of trying to verify his lurid claims. I don't understand how and why he thought he was going to get away with this. Once called out, he then spent hours doubling and tripling down trying to insist he did nothing wrong. THEN his total short circuit, screaming about Glinner and calling Singal "stupid," "coward," "fool," "viper," etc.

Let me end by saying that Jesse Singal appears to have many fans who are interested in defending everything he does. That is not my motivation here; I'm only interested in Singal as he relates to Lavery. Singal has annoying moments, but he consistently comes off as a good faith interlocutor who chooses his words carefully when he interacts with Lavery or discusses troonery in general. It's not Singal who has a seething, malicious fixation on Joe. It's the other way around.

 

[Dromedary]

Joe seems to be having some kind of meltdown. His trolling adventure with his sock puppet account was a daylong affair, and now yet again he's spent the whole day sending dozens and dozens of unhinged tweets.

PART 1: JOE BECOMES A "SUBSTACK PRO"
People are pissed that the blogging platform Substack has not banned Glinner, but instead continues to allow him to use the platform for his twansphobic screeds. Wokesters are voluntarily leaving the platform in protest, and troons are haranguing others to follow suit. See @Kirkorov's informative post in the Tranny Sideshows thread for more details.

In solidarity with his trans* sisters, and to protest the violent rhetoric of Glinner, Joe too has decided to leave Substack. Oh wait, no he didn't! He has instead chosen this moment to level up his association with Substack and get on the payroll as a "Substack Pro." Troons are throwing shade at this shockingly self-serving move. Joe has absolutely no response.
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His followers are sad and disappointed too. Joe again has no response. He decides to blame an "allergic reaction" for his inability to offer an explanation for his behavior. Strangely, this debilitating allergic reaction did not prevent him from tweeting nonstop for several more hours.
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Lavery finally comes up with something! It's OK for him to take money from the "bigot factory" Substack because it wouldn't be "politically efficacious" for him to turn it down and also, um, uhh, there's a war criminal working at UC Berkeley! Makes perfect sense?
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I think I'll break this into two parts, a bunch of shit happened with Jesse Singal and I'm still sorting out exactly what it was.

Great work! Yes, it's been a nutty, nutty day for Crazy Old Joe. As recently as an hour ago he's been in a tranny frenzy on Twitter, seemingly trying to bait Jesse Singal into saying something so Joe can scream ABUSE and.. get him kicked off Twitter? Not gonna happen, but it's the online tranny deviant MO. Jesse uses the word "colorful" and Joe shrieks "Colorful? What's THAT supposed to mean??" You know he will tell his fans that Jesse called all trans women colorful circus freaks, which they are, but another lie.

-Lavery can NOT STOP lying, constantly, on his Twitter and on Substack, and I mean just TODAY. Singal wrote about the well-known theory of social contagion. Lavery twists it to HE SAYS TRANS PEOPLE ARE A CONTAGION. And repeats this over and over like a mental patient. Multiple lies, Singal is a champ at not letting Lavery bait him though.

-Lavery's bragging? about being paid now to Substack is hilarious. Tranny advocates are all BURN TWANSPHOBIC SUBSTACK DOWN, and Joe's like, "mm. I think I will take the money as a STUNNING and BRAVE act of defiance" and his followers are hurt and confused. Joe pats them and tells them not to worry their silly little heads about it, but he can NOT divulge the financial details with Substack, he's not ALLOWED. Except that's another lie: writer Freddie de Boer has described how Substack puts absolutely no constraints on what it pays its Pro writers or how. He even displayed the financial metrics Substack provides, to the month, every dollar accounted. Receipts.

-"But Grace, how can you stay on a platform with that monster LINEHAN??". Because money, sillies! Joe is still dying to get Linehan cancelled from Substack and.. thinks he can do it from within? Addle-brained grifter thinking. He continues to mendaciously exaggerate Linehan's one word "Grooming" to an all-out accusation of pedophilia, to Lavery's mind. Certainly struck a nerve! Oh, and all day Joe has been demanding Jesse Singal.. apologize for Linehan? Again, Lavery is a sick-minded beast, it makes no sense. But it's just another way to harrass Jesse Singal, and get his bloated ghastly visage out there , a piece of the Substack "war" being waged by mendacious , dishonest trannies against more successful writers. Like Lavery, that Sady Doyle person has always beed a crank and a nutjob and also decided the other day she, a former butch lesbian, was now LGBTQIAXZ++ and so speaks for the whole spectrum of genders and sexualities everywhere. Like Joe!

- Lavery definitely reads this thread when he's not jerking off and being a Twitter pest all day. Odd attempt at "funny", mentioning he's "like an old SNL skit", which I don't think I've read anywhere but here, from me. (Blushes.) Hey Joe! Chop your tiny todger off, you coward!

 

[Dromedary]

Oh, and the Heavens have gifted us with the vision of this beautiful couple, obviously so deeply in love. Not faking the "allergies" though, he seems deathly ill!

"Oh Grace, your hair is so BEAUTIFUL, and your skin is so gorgeous! Such a pretty lady/hot chick, I'm so jealous!!"- slobbering sadfans.

 

[Trianon]

1. The Substack stuff is hilarious. Joe is breaking REALLY publicly with his trans peers, and he could have gotten away with it if they weren't in the middle of a hysterical crusade against it. That hysteria is so powerful that it temporarily broke his followers' reveries and made them snap at him for being a Traitor Token. But no, Joe doesn't care about that. He will take that Substack money, and he won't use it for any reason other than to go after his vendettas. I look forward to unhinged ransom letters directed at Substack every week, because that is what this first one reads like. I wonder what the actual offer from Substack was. It's not as if he needs the money, being bankrolled by Nicole Cliffe and all. Pleaaaase someone call him out for being bougie and pretending like he cares about the politics of poverty and labor.

2. The Jesse beef is so, so stupid. (And, I think, telling that he can't even focus on one Public Enemy No. 1 of the day. Too distractible.) Joe's correction on Substack is the snidest, nastiest thing I can imagine. The people siding with Joe are so humorless and brittle. They cannot imagine that their constant whining about gender can be both repellant and compelling for different people, that young people ESPECIALLY are easily influenced and might be more likely to think they have gender issues when ALL their friends start to have gender issues too. HOW can they base their whole worldview on gender being a social construct and then deny the idea that it can be SOCIALLY CONSTRUCTED, I'm having an aneurysm.

[Has this thread gone into the octopus fucker discourse that Joe started? Because this is almost as stupid. It was similar in that Joe and a friend of his said a marine biologist being friends with an octopus was "queer" and "erotic" and then went on DAYS of rants about how everyone was misinterpreting them and they were clearly using it ACADEMICALLY, rubes. Only in this case, Joe is pretending not to understand the academic meaning of words.]

Anyway, he can't let off Singal ever. Singal is winning the online argument (I've seen so many threads where the ENTIRE comment section is asking for ANY receipts on him , which are never provided), so they're desperately trying to find another tack to take against him. They cannot disengage. They will throw themselves bloody at this wall until there's nothing left. He tried sockpuppeting against him and now he's trying to make it seem legit and authoritative, but he spiraled on Twitter again, defeating the purpose.

 

[illhavetwo]

The entire substack discourse is so interesting because these parasites seriously don't understand that one of the main reasons substack gained traction was because of popular writers who were exiled from woke mainstream publications that fell into purity spirals. The troons are just repeating the same process that happened in traditional media. They cannibalize the medium, the good writers go somewhere else and find a large audience, the parasites follow them and start the same process again.

 

[Comrade Autogynephilia]

Singal is a man that seemingly cannot be 'peak transed'. No matter what shit the troons do to him he's still polite, respects the pronouns etc., and performs all the other hoop jumping shit they demand.
Having seen him speak his just a meek, effete, nerd. He needs to go full "41% IS NOT ENOUGH!!" imo.

 

[kaien]

Singal is a man that seemingly cannot be 'peak transed'. No matter what shit the troons do to him he's still polite, respects the pronouns etc., and performs all the other hoop jumping shit they demand.
Having seen him speak his just a meek, effete, nerd. He needs to go full "41% IS NOT ENOUGH!!" imo.

See, that would spoil it, though. The reason he survives and thrives to continue driving these people out of their minds is he never gives them that opening. It would be like the Road Runner standing still so Wile E. Coyote could finally drop the rock on him, and where's the fun in that?

 

[Chapstick4Lyfe]

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Good God, what has he been eating? Or is that a lot of alcoholic bloat, too? Look out Sapphixy, there's a new blob in town.

 

[OttoWest]

Good God, what has he been eating?

Not Mallory.

 

[kazuhiro]

Singal is a man that seemingly cannot be 'peak transed'. No matter what shit the troons do to him he's still polite, respects the pronouns etc., and performs all the other hoop jumping shit they demand.
Having seen him speak his just a meek, effete, nerd. He needs to go full "41% IS NOT ENOUGH!!" imo.

See, that would spoil it, though. The reason he survives and thrives to continue driving these people out of their minds is he never gives them that opening. It would be like the Road Runner standing still so Wile E. Coyote could finally drop the rock on him, and where's the fun in that?

Singal just doesn't seem to get that trannies and their allies aren't reasonable people with reasonable demands, though. Take this exchange, where he attacks Graham Linehan for "mock[ing] trans women," completely missing the point that the mockery was of a dating site for lesbians being infested with male troons:

Twitter exchange / archive1 / archive2

 

[Constellationzero]

Great work! Yes, it's been a nutty, nutty day for Crazy Old Joe. As recently as an hour ago he's been in a tranny frenzy on Twitter, seemingly trying to bait Jesse Singal into saying something so Joe can scream ABUSE and.. get him kicked off Twitter? Not gonna happen, but it's the online tranny deviant MO. Jesse uses the word "colorful" and Joe shrieks "Colorful? What's THAT supposed to mean??" You know he will tell his fans that Jesse called all trans women colorful circus freaks, which they are, but another lie.

-Lavery can NOT STOP lying, constantly, on his Twitter and on Substack, and I mean just TODAY. Singal wrote about the well-known theory of social contagion. Lavery twists it to HE SAYS TRANS PEOPLE ARE A CONTAGION. And repeats this over and over like a mental patient. Multiple lies, Singal is a champ at not letting Lavery bait him though.

-Lavery's bragging? about being paid now to Substack is hilarious. Tranny advocates are all BURN TWANSPHOBIC SUBSTACK DOWN, and Joe's like, "mm. I think I will take the money as a STUNNING and BRAVE act of defiance" and his followers are hurt and confused. Joe pats them and tells them not to worry their silly little heads about it, but he can NOT divulge the financial details with Substack, he's not ALLOWED. Except that's another lie: writer Freddie de Boer has described how Substack puts absolutely no constraints on what it pays its Pro writers or how. He even displayed the financial metrics Substack provides, to the month, every dollar accounted. Receipts.

-"But Grace, how can you stay on a platform with that monster LINEHAN??". Because money, sillies! Joe is still dying to get Linehan cancelled from Substack and.. thinks he can do it from within? Addle-brained grifter thinking. He continues to mendaciously exaggerate Linehan's one word "Grooming" to an all-out accusation of pedophilia, to Lavery's mind. Certainly struck a nerve! Oh, and all day Joe has been demanding Jesse Singal.. apologize for Linehan? Again, Lavery is a sick-minded beast, it makes no sense. But it's just another way to harrass Jesse Singal, and get his bloated ghastly visage out there , a piece of the Substack "war" being waged by mendacious , dishonest trannies against more successful writers. Like Lavery, that Sady Doyle person has always beed a crank and a nutjob and also decided the other day she, a former butch lesbian, was now LGBTQIAXZ++ and so speaks for the whole spectrum of genders and sexualities everywhere. Like Joe!

- Lavery definitely reads this thread when he's not jerking off and being a Twitter pest all day. Odd attempt at "funny", mentioning he's "like an old SNL skit", which I don't think I've read anywhere but here, from me. (Blushes.) Hey Joe! Chop your tiny todger off, you coward!

Jesus Christ!
This mentally ill MAN in bad makeup is a college professor?? I thought colleges and universities were supposed to be all about "research" "evidence-based" "learning" "knowledge" "ethics" "efficacy" and good "pedagogy." When I was in college, I never heard the end of professors and advisers talking about standards and ethics and maintaining a stellar reputation. They went on and on about forging good relationships and establishing good rapport with other professionals.

This mentally ill MAN is as bad as that violent faggot Kevin Allred--and he (very rightly) lost his Rutgers position...but this mentally ill, unprofessional, abusive, gaslighty, sexually deviant MAN is employed STILL as a professor? He is very, very sick and from what I'm reading, the university where he is employed must be A-OK with spousal and partner abuse as well as sexual deviancy.

Reasons one through 99 to home school your kids. Luckily my state makes that fairly easy to do.

 

[kaien]

Singal just doesn't seem to get that trannies and their allies aren't reasonable people with reasonable demands, though. Take this exchange, where he attacks Graham Linehan for "mock[ing] trans women," completely missing the point that the mockery was of a dating site for lesbians being infested with male troons:

Yeah, I often wonder to what degree he actually believes and to what degree he just understands that if he wants to make money in the media mainstream, he has to play a rigged game. He's making a hell of a lot of money walking the tightrope -- $25K Patreon, whatever he gets from Substack, etc. -- so I can't really knock it either way.

 

[Potatis Salad]

We're already aware of your affected nickname, Jos, and nobody here thinks that calling you Joe is going to distract you from cooming, uh, sorry, "retraumatize you."

However, I would discourage Kiwis from doing shit like signing Joe up for email spam. It only legitimizes his persecution complex.

New Substack article (Archive) in which he attempts to rationalize taking money from Substack. Whining about Glinner is now "civil rights work." Emphasis mine:

I have considered bringing legal action [against Glinner], and I have been informed that I have a strong chance of winning. There is no guarantee of that, however, since a case would have to be brought in the UK, where I am not resident, and where there exists a significant public bias against trans people...Plus, I have political reservations about using courtrooms to do this kind of civil rights work against institutional abuse: I would rather fight it out in the institutions where the abuse is taking place.

In this context, I received an offer of a Substack Pro contract. The offer was substantial...The money would solve a couple of the problems: first, it would actually compensate me for the financial losses I have incurred over the last year or so; second, it would empower me to consider a broader range of options in my attempt to reduce the damage that Linehan is able to do. This is in addition to the broader set of financial needs specific to being a trans woman: I am attempting to schedule two surgeries in the next year, neither of which is cheap. I do not have savings (alcoholic and drug addict) and I do not have family money. I am grateful that I do have a salary, and I do have insurance.

Stinkditch 2021!

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

Looks like Joe did a professional photo shoot. I hope we get to see some more of these, he looks hilarious.
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They're both amazingly repulsive but I love the first one. That gargantuan man-sized shoe jutting out in front of him, the ludicrous ruffle, the pained facial expression. He looks like a cross between a jowly, male Little Bo Peep and a jowly, male version of this lady from the "Pon de Floor" video:
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Seductive:
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He looks like former Irish president Mary McAleese if she were a troon.

 

[Trianon]

Joe's whole thing is wrecking his "good rapport" with other professionals. The ur-Joe Beef is probably him going after two gay professors who politely wrecked him and his entire worldview.

Original Manifesto: Christopher Reed argues that gender identity should not be included in "sex"-based protections under Title IX (and argues against enforced usage of pronouns)

1st Article: Grad School as Conversion Therapy - Grace Lavery
Highlight:

We cannot force Chris Reed to respect us. But we can see, better than he can, the ugly complicity between fascism and the liberal arts that he has taken up the mantle of defending.

2nd Article: Conversion Therapy v. Re-education Camp: An Open Letter to Grace Lavery - Christopher Castiglia and Christopher Reed
Highlight:

Your first priority is to shift the tone of the discussion to outrage. Wit — as the rich history of lesbian, gay, and queer cultures demonstrates — is the solvent of the seriousness that is the hallmark of juridical and medical authority. To deny our humor — our Camp, our irony, our relish of the sanity-saving pleasures in the ridiculous — is to deny the validity of our cultures (on the role of humor in queer culture, see Reed’s essay, titled in ridiculous homage to Djuna Barnes and Susan Sontag, “Ladies Almanack showing their Satire and Irony; Sorrow and Sentimentality; Ridiculousness in relation to Sexual Identity; as well as reflections on Alison Bechdel’s Fun Home — or, Notes not on ‘Camp.’” But that’s exactly the point, isn’t it? To deny the validity of lesbian, gay, and queer people and practices in favor of the seriousness and self-righteousness of the angry adolescent. Your characterization as “joyless” of a document leavened with wit and calling for a return to pleasure in genderplay might evidence nothing but a deficient sense of humor were it not that this move is necessary to justify your assertion that Reed’s statement of principles “solicited” your “angry and outraged attention.”

Tellingly, your refusal of our humor is phrased to lock us into stable gender categories of your own devising: “You sound nothing like Oscar Wilde, my dude,” you assert. To the extent that we, who have been playing with gender for a long time, are “dudes,” we are indeed your dudes: your fantasy antagonists whose imagined dude-iness is necessary for your claim to be “in fact, a woman” to authorize the anger you are so eager to perform.

Joe's Tweets: If this is a veiled criticism of me, I won't hear it, and I won't respond to it. - Lucille Bluth

The Christophers Are Forced to Apologize: Lessons Learned - Christopher Castiglia and Christopher Reed

Other Responses: Jane Clare Jones (anti-Joe), Joe accepts apology, Chronicle of Higher Education (pro-Joe), Kill Your Dads (pro-Joe)

"The money would solve a couple of the problems: first, it would actually compensate me for the financial losses I have incurred over the last year or so"

What financial losses? Buying too many designer pants?

 

[OttoWest]

We're already aware of your affected nickname, Jos, and nobody here thinks that calling you Joe is going to distract you from cooming, uh, sorry, "retraumatize you."

Nobody gives a shit you limey fruit.

But a search on “Jos Lavery” brought up this soytastic chinless beta shot:

You just know his classmates called him ‘Joe Lavatory’ while flushing his head in the boys toilet.

 

[homewayhalf]

The reason why Lavery doesn’t get triggered by being ~DEADNAMED is because he gets off to it. He has no gender dysphoria. This is a man who loves looking like a man, acting like a man, being a man in women’s spaces and knowing that no one will do anything about it. I don’t think his issue is autogynephilia. It’s a shockingly severe case of narcissism and a not-so-shocking case of wanting women to cower. He went from a derpy, nerdy, hideous professor to being called stunning & brave and bathing in attention (the only difference is that he is now ironically hideous). He can now talk about his fetishes, brag about his “life,” throw his public temper tantrums, and he will never be canceled because he’s now a “trans woman.” He knows he isn’t stunning, he knows he doesn’t pass, and he’s laughing his way to the bank. I’d almost give him a semper fi if I wasn’t so repelled by him.

 

[3MMA]

EDIT: ALSO, Joe has been known to create sockpuppets to argue with -- a few months ago, he did this by ANNOUNCING his sockpuppet account and directly his followers there, but now he seems to have genuinely tried to go stealth with this account: https://mobile.twitter.com/MrsGeorgeKaplan/with_replies. But it's blatantly, BLATANTLY Joe, trolling Singal, Greenwald, et al. EDIT EDIT: Aaaaaand it's gone. [waves] Hello, Joe!

Sock is unlocked

Tweets with replies by George Kaplan (@MrsGeorgeKaplan) / Twitter

archived 27 Mar 2021 01:01:09 UTC

archive.today

 

[Trianon]

Sock is unlocked

http://archive.md/btePt

holy fuck, he is going back to months-old Jesse tweets!!! LOG OFF!!

The sock is going hard at roleplaying George Kaplan/Roger Thornhill from North by Northwest, several times claiming to be an advertising executive with a secretarial staff in the 50s.

Does anyone know how to do full-size screencaps? The archived version only shows the first few tweets.

 

[gorgon]

Nobody gives a shit you limey fruit.

But a search on “Jos Lavery” brought up this soytastic chinless beta shot:
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You just know his classmates called him ‘Joe Lavatory’ while flushing his head in the boys toilet.

a real chinless wonder! I really hope the surgery he speaks of is gender affirmation via castration but he seems too much of a decrepit-dicked coomer to risk losing that ability, so idk. maybe some bolt on Mommy Milkers uwu. can't wait to find out!