Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

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I don't know what sounds sadder, Lilly sending herself an ask on the population numbers in her story, or someone legitimately asking about the specific population numbers in her story.
About the last... nah, i don't think so in this case.
But anyway, only fools can take Lily as a serious writer; she doesn't show up any proof of real change between her fanfics.
Is always with the most stupid excuse.
At least i'm glad she have not tried to do something original.
 
At least E;R's really good at editing. And doesn't steal his fuckin jokes.
I thought some of his takedowns of Korra in particular were pretty good.

Lily thought so, too, since she stole a bunch of her points from his videos.


Here's her sort of addressing (and dismissing) the "there's multiple champions" thing and her deflecting about how Anevay isn't OP
One of my favorites here is 'the logistical nightmare of following 20 characters'. It's really not that hard since it's a character-focused piece; she just has to concentrate on Anevay but acknowledge that she isn't fighting alone. Like that two-sentence 'battle' against the Horsemen up there?

Anevay drove her blade into Darrion's neck and yanked hard horizontally, a spray of blood following the arc. A terrible gurgling escaped his throat, and he slumped over, the dead weight of his body slipping free of his horse and crashing to the ground. Anevay wheeled and just barely managed to bring her blade up to deflect Nazgrim's sword. She shoved, but Nazgrim was already expecting it and pivoted on his heel, bringing the blade to the side. Anevay shifted her weight just in time to avoid the blade biting into her own neck, but caught the flat of it, sending her stumbling to the side and in the perfect position for Nazgrim's blade.

But the blade never game. Instead there was a dull yell, then a thump, Nazgrim's head was rolling to her feet.

Anevay looked up to see Jel'qoth'ur flicking her sword, spattering the ground next to her with fresh blood.

"How do you fare, Darkflare?"

Anevay grinned. "I had them, you know."

Jel rolled her eyes. "Yes, I noticed. Sorry, Darkflare. You won't be joining the Queen today."
Admittedly I'm assuming there's more of a fray and therefore more characters present, but the point stands; you just drop in incidental figures and maybe name-drop them in the day-to-day parts of the story. You don't have to actually track five million player characters.

And then you never have to mention them again! Just acknowledge that other characters exist. And your character still gets to be a badass among badasses without being, literally, the best fight in all of Azeroth who knows every fighting technique and is the best at all of them. (I'm guessing when Lily says 'Anevay isn't a superhero' she forgot that time she wrote the whole Trope list for her and said that Anevay is literally the greatest warrior who knows all of the fighting styles in Azeroth and can use any weapon and has the most powerful wolf and also

It kills me that she could've made Anevay just a girl, you know? Her statement from before is that Anevay isn't special, she justed listened to Sylvanas. Why not lean into that? Why have her be the Horde Champion as opposed to, like, a sassy barmaid that one night noticed Sylvanas was in a really bad way and offered to talk to her?

(The answer is because that the barmaid doesn't get to cut the heads off people Lily doesn't like.)

The other thing is of course her deflection: "Don't like? Don't read!"

It would be one thing if Lily were legitimately just writing for herself and Mikaila-- you know, having fun in a limited space. Writing out silly scenarios (or significant ones) in the privacy of her own home. Indulging in a fantasy and having fun with it. The difference is that she's posting it to a well-known public platform and advertising on her own platform and then getting angry when people don't respond in the numbers she wants. She specifically wants attention.

If she were just interested in sharing this with a small number of people, she'd find another way to do so-- set up a separate Tumblr and post the chapters there, or a little free website and post the chapters there, or (given the engagement rate on her personal Tumblr) just post the chapters directly there. But she WANTS attention. She threatened to stop writing ALL of her stories if she didn't get more attention. But it has to be a very specific kind of attention-- all praise, or all vapid 'oh I hate Anevay's mom!' or 'oh they're so cute!' She doesn't want actual critique, let alone criticism. The anon sending these Asks is doing a stellar job of remaining calm and making their point within the constrictions of an Ask box, and instead of taking any advice to heart it's all deflection and excuses, and when the logical writing excuses don't work she comes back to "I'm just having fun! Go away!"
 
Here's her sort of addressing (and dismissing) the "there's multiple champions" thing and her deflecting about how Anevay isn't OP
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I want to point out that even if Anevay has defeated stronger opponents, that doesn't mean that things should always be super easy from then on. You can win a fist fight once but that doesn't mean you'll win the second by default.
She acts like because Anevay managed to defeat more threatening things that means that she can defeat anything weaker instantly even though that's just not how fighting works. Especially not in a 1v4 like Anevay vs the 4 horsemen. Even if your character is stupid strong there should still be more of a fight than "in the flick of her wrist she easily slaughtered 2 warriors". At least have the characters try and defend themselves.
I mean sure, in the context of a video game if a level 50 player were to fight a level 5 player they would win instantly but that's not how fighting in the lore/story works.

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I like this anon, they bring up valid points. I feel like this is kind of a poster example of Lily deflecting. The anon makes a good point as to why she cant take criticism and why her writing is bad and all Lily has to come back with is "its not for you". As if that's a good argument. LoTR isn't for me but I can still read it and understand why its a good story even if I find it boring and somewhat uninteresting. It's true people don't have to read them but if they do and they keep coming to you over and over again to tell you it's bad, its probably bad.

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Because unlike every other fanfic author, Lily claims to be a good writer who writes legitimately good examples of strong female protagonists and denounces anything that she views as inferior writing. But the problem is her writing is actually terrible so it nullifies all of her criticisms.


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I have no real problem with the population sizes for the most part since my reference of azeroths size comes from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5vCngN6k10 which basically puts it at like 1,000x smaller than earth. While it may not be that small in reality I do definitely believe its much smaller than earth. Probably somewhere closer to earth vs mars/mercury but still significantly smaller. So earth having a population of 7 billion and Azeroth having a population of 7 million is somewhat understandable.
What's not understandable is why the forsaken have 4.5 million when they're one of the races that dies off the quickest and Sylvanas has to consciously raise more or else her troops will completely die out in a matter of years from decomposition. Maybe all together over a period of 10-20 years there's been 4.5 million but I feel like its such a stretch to say theres 4.5 million forsaken alive, especially since they didn't burn teldrassil and raise the night elves in the horde champion series.
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She did confirm that she made them up and after being asked by a couple different people on how she reached that conclusion but she just said "they're pre-industrial" and then immediately changed the subject.

Mentioning shit that ain't important here, but there are canon population numbers on the wiki. Now, I'm not going to go through and add up all the towns, but we can get a rought estimate based on their capital cities;

The Undercity (Forsaken) has a population of about 13,000, including orcs, blood elves, ect.

Stormwind (The human capitol) has a population of about 250,000, including the various forign races that stop by the city.

Now, the data might be skewed a little in Stormwinds favor because Stormwind is the central "hub" for the Alliance, but even factoring that in Stormwinds pop is over ten time greater then that of the Forsaken! I know Lily straight up admitted that she pulled these numbers out of her ass, but you think she could have taken five minutes to look up the canon population numbers. Then again, we all know this is a poorly disguised revenge fic to glorify her OC at this point, so why would Lily bother to put in the tiniest bit of effort in staying true to canon?
 
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Here's her sort of addressing (and dismissing) the "there's multiple champions" thing and her deflecting about how Anevay isn't OP
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I want to point out that even if Anevay has defeated stronger opponents, that doesn't mean that things should always be super easy from then on. You can win a fist fight once but that doesn't mean you'll win the second by default.
She acts like because Anevay managed to defeat more threatening things that means that she can defeat anything weaker instantly even though that's just not how fighting works. Especially not in a 1v4 like Anevay vs the 4 horsemen. Even if your character is stupid strong there should still be more of a fight than "in the flick of her wrist she easily slaughtered 2 warriors". At least have the characters try and defend themselves.
I mean sure, in the context of a video game if a level 50 player were to fight a level 5 player they would win instantly but that's not how fighting in the lore/story works.

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I like this anon, they bring up valid points. I feel like this is kind of a poster example of Lily deflecting. The anon makes a good point as to why she cant take criticism and why her writing is bad and all Lily has to come back with is "its not for you". As if that's a good argument. LoTR isn't for me but I can still read it and understand why its a good story even if I find it boring and somewhat uninteresting. It's true people don't have to read them but if they do and they keep coming to you over and over again to tell you it's bad, its probably bad.

https://archive.md/S9caS
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Because unlike every other fanfic author, Lily claims to be a good writer who writes legitimately good examples of strong female protagonists and denounces anything that she views as inferior writing. But the problem is her writing is actually terrible so it nullifies all of her criticisms.


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I have no real problem with the population sizes for the most part since my reference of azeroths size comes from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5vCngN6k10 which basically puts it at like 1,000x smaller than earth. While it may not be that small in reality I do definitely believe its much smaller than earth. Probably somewhere closer to earth vs mars/mercury but still significantly smaller. So earth having a population of 7 billion and Azeroth having a population of 7 million is somewhat understandable.
What's not understandable is why the forsaken have 4.5 million when they're one of the races that dies off the quickest and Sylvanas has to consciously raise more or else her troops will completely die out in a matter of years from decomposition. Maybe all together over a period of 10-20 years there's been 4.5 million but I feel like its such a stretch to say theres 4.5 million forsaken alive, especially since they didn't burn teldrassil and raise the night elves in the horde champion series.
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She did confirm that she made them up and after being asked by a couple different people on how she reached that conclusion but she just said "they're pre-industrial" and then immediately changed the subject.
WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH
Those numbers are fucking absurd, I am going to have to go DEEEP into my wow tism here.

How the hell are there more Kul Tirans than there are Stormwindians? Kul Tiras is...an Island. Stormwind has control of the majority of The Eastern Kingdoms with several settlements.
How are there more Nightborn than Gilneans? Gilneas was a FULL COUNTRY...The Nightborn were limited to a Single City.
How do 200K Lightforged Draenei Live on a single ship made for War? (I give the Normal Draenei a Pass for this because the Exodar was built for refugee resettlement)
How are there 650K Darkspear Trolls when the Darkspear have two settlements at most..and were canonically on the brink of extinction a Generation ago in Game?

Now about the Panderan Kingdom Population.

According to the Lore Pandaria had a magical mist protecting it for 10,000 Years (this would be the same time that The Night Elves blew up the Magical Font of Arcane power.) So they have been completely exempt from the entire shit show that has gone on the past 50, so No Floofy Boi Genocide for them. This means that they have had Ten Thousand Years of complete peace and isolation, and they have a gigantic valley that is kept in a constant state of peak growing season by magical waters that were an off shot of the Magical Font of Arcane power.

They have everything a Civilization needs to thrive, Peace, Stability, plenty of resources..Pandaren should be the most populous society on the planet.by a country mile.
 
WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH
Those numbers are fucking absurd, I am going to have to go DEEEP into my wow tism here.

How the hell are there more Kul Tirans than there are Stormwindians? Kul Tiras is...an Island. Stormwind has control of the majority of The Eastern Kingdoms with several settlements.
How are there more Nightborn than Gilneans? Gilneas was a FULL COUNTRY...The Nightborn were limited to a Single City.
How do 200K Lightforged Draenei Live on a single ship made for War? (I give the Normal Draenei a Pass for this because the Exodar was built for refugee resettlement)
How are there 650K Darkspear Trolls when the Darkspear have two settlements at most..and were canonically on the brink of extinction a Generation ago in Game?

Now about the Panderan Kingdom Population.

According to the Lore Pandaria had a magical mist protecting it for 10,000 Years (this would be the same time that The Night Elves blew up the Magical Font of Arcane power.) So they have been completely exempt from the entire shit show that has gone on the past 50, so No Floofy Boi Genocide for them. This means that they have had Ten Thousand Years of complete peace and isolation, and they have a gigantic valley that is kept in a constant state of peak growing season by magical waters that were an off shot of the Magical Font of Arcane power.

They have everything a Civilization needs to thrive, Peace, Stability, plenty of resources..Pandaren should be the most populous society on the planet.by a country mile.
My guess is that she did it purely out of nepotism for her favorite races. And by "my guess" I mean that's exactly what she did. The Kul Tirans have such a large number because Jaina is a Kul Tiran. She likes elves far more than worgen so there must be more of them. She likes draenai females and the trolls so there's a lot of them. She doesnt care about the pandas so she just spit something out there.

What i meant more in my original post is that the 7 million number could be accurate. We dont exactly know how big azeroth is lore wise because in game distances are so much shorter than in the lore. When you actually look at the numbers they are stupid, just like the metric of 4.5 million (literally how) forsaken. Either way she clearly does not care about the actual lore of the game like she claims to and she just writes down whatever she thinks without bothering to try and double check it.
 
My guess is that she did it purely out of nepotism for her favorite races. And by "my guess" I mean that's exactly what she did. The Kul Tirans have such a large number because Jaina is a Kul Tiran. She likes elves far more than worgen so there must be more of them. She likes draenai females and the trolls so there's a lot of them. She doesnt care about the pandas so she just spit something out there.

What i meant more in my original post is that the 7 million number could be accurate. We dont exactly know how big azeroth is lore wise because in game distances are so much shorter than in the lore. When you actually look at the numbers they are stupid, just like the metric of 4.5 million (literally how) forsaken. Either way she clearly does not care about the actual lore of the game like she claims to and she just writes down whatever she thinks without bothering to try and double check it.
I wonder if Jerry prefers draenai females for different reasons, just looking at type of troon bait coomer fuel that is churned out there might be reason. I wonder when Jerry self inserts into a fic and marries strong and inheritely psychic independent goat woman and blue skinned goat woman. I find Jerry's writing so lazy and boring that I stick to cliff notes.
 
I wonder if Jerry prefers draenai females for different reasons, just looking at type of troon bait coomer fuel that is churned out there might be reason. I wonder when Jerry self inserts into a fic and marries strong and inheritely psychic independent goat woman and blue skinned goat woman. I find Jerry's writing so lazy and boring that I stick to cliff notes.
I would say that The Draenei's popularity is that they are curvy as hell and somewhat unique, as opposed to the other "Hot" race who are all variants on Elves.
 
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I think part of it is that she's played SWTOR, which generally has a lot more solo experience where your character takes on a lot of threats on their own and gives much more of a power fantasy, and trying to apply that experience to Wow.
I was originally going to add a point about how she treats WoW as if it was SWTOR like you said, but I couldn't word it in a satisfying way. But yes, she absolutely is treating the entire game like a single player game like with how SWTOR's main story is experienced. She wants the bullshit high-level power fantasy and to feel like she's the only one that matters.

Here's her sort of addressing (and dismissing) the "there's multiple champions" thing and her deflecting about how Anevay isn't OP
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I want to point out that even if Anevay has defeated stronger opponents, that doesn't mean that things should always be super easy from then on. You can win a fist fight once but that doesn't mean you'll win the second by default.
She acts like because Anevay managed to defeat more threatening things that means that she can defeat anything weaker instantly even though that's just not how fighting works. Especially not in a 1v4 like Anevay vs the 4 horsemen. Even if your character is stupid strong there should still be more of a fight than "in the flick of her wrist she easily slaughtered 2 warriors". At least have the characters try and defend themselves.
I mean sure, in the context of a video game if a level 50 player were to fight a level 5 player they would win instantly but that's not how fighting in the lore/story works.

https://archive.md/1XsBv
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I like this anon, they bring up valid points. I feel like this is kind of a poster example of Lily deflecting. The anon makes a good point as to why she cant take criticism and why her writing is bad and all Lily has to come back with is "its not for you". As if that's a good argument. LoTR isn't for me but I can still read it and understand why its a good story even if I find it boring and somewhat uninteresting. It's true people don't have to read them but if they do and they keep coming to you over and over again to tell you it's bad, its probably bad.

https://archive.md/S9caS
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Because unlike every other fanfic author, Lily claims to be a good writer who writes legitimately good examples of strong female protagonists and denounces anything that she views as inferior writing. But the problem is her writing is actually terrible so it nullifies all of her criticisms.


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https://archive.md/HnbYT
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I have no real problem with the population sizes for the most part since my reference of azeroths size comes from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5vCngN6k10 which basically puts it at like 1,000x smaller than earth. While it may not be that small in reality I do definitely believe its much smaller than earth. Probably somewhere closer to earth vs mars/mercury but still significantly smaller. So earth having a population of 7 billion and Azeroth having a population of 7 million is somewhat understandable.
What's not understandable is why the forsaken have 4.5 million when they're one of the races that dies off the quickest and Sylvanas has to consciously raise more or else her troops will completely die out in a matter of years from decomposition. Maybe all together over a period of 10-20 years there's been 4.5 million but I feel like its such a stretch to say theres 4.5 million forsaken alive, especially since they didn't burn teldrassil and raise the night elves in the horde champion series.
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She did confirm that she made them up and after being asked by a couple different people on how she reached that conclusion but she just said "they're pre-industrial" and then immediately changed the subject.
"It goes back and forth every expansion." No, it doesn't. Everyone is always just one face in the crowd. Every major threat that has resulted in a raid has canonically been handled by heroes/adventurers (except Onyxia, she was retconned to be killed by Varian). Also, The Madness of Deathwing? Lily, that entire fight is based around us holding back a monstrously transformed Deathwing in order for the Aspects to charge the Dragon Soul again. The fight literally ends with Thrall blasting Deathwing one final time. Just more proof that she doesn't know what the actual fuck she's talking about whenever it comes to actual canon; it's all just her interpretation of the lore all the way down.
Speaking of her wrong interpretations, jesus christ those numbers. 4.5 million Forsaken? I get they're her favorite, but godamn. And yeah, if we're going on the assumption that Azeroth has a population of about 7 million, then over half would be Forsaken. Suuuuuure...
Also, Ren'dorei, Kul Tirans, and Zandalari aren't neutral. I mean, I guess if this is taking place before the events of BfA? But even then Ren'dorei are firmly Alliance.

I thought some of his takedowns of Korra in particular were pretty good.

Lily thought so, too, since she stole a bunch of her points from his videos.



One of my favorites here is 'the logistical nightmare of following 20 characters'. It's really not that hard since it's a character-focused piece; she just has to concentrate on Anevay but acknowledge that she isn't fighting alone. Like that two-sentence 'battle' against the Horsemen up there?

Anevay drove her blade into Darrion's neck and yanked hard horizontally, a spray of blood following the arc. A terrible gurgling escaped his throat, and he slumped over, the dead weight of his body slipping free of his horse and crashing to the ground. Anevay wheeled and just barely managed to bring her blade up to deflect Nazgrim's sword. She shoved, but Nazgrim was already expecting it and pivoted on his heel, bringing the blade to the side. Anevay shifted her weight just in time to avoid the blade biting into her own neck, but caught the flat of it, sending her stumbling to the side and in the perfect position for Nazgrim's blade.

But the blade never game. Instead there was a dull yell, then a thump, Nazgrim's head was rolling to her feet.

Anevay looked up to see Jel'qoth'ur flicking her sword, spattering the ground next to her with fresh blood.

"How do you fare, Darkflare?"

Anevay grinned. "I had them, you know."

Jel rolled her eyes. "Yes, I noticed. Sorry, Darkflare. You won't be joining the Queen today."
Admittedly I'm assuming there's more of a fray and therefore more characters present, but the point stands; you just drop in incidental figures and maybe name-drop them in the day-to-day parts of the story. You don't have to actually track five million player characters.

And then you never have to mention them again! Just acknowledge that other characters exist. And your character still gets to be a badass among badasses without being, literally, the best fight in all of Azeroth who knows every fighting technique and is the best at all of them. (I'm guessing when Lily says 'Anevay isn't a superhero' she forgot that time she wrote the whole Trope list for her and said that Anevay is literally the greatest warrior who knows all of the fighting styles in Azeroth and can use any weapon and has the most powerful wolf and also

It kills me that she could've made Anevay just a girl, you know? Her statement from before is that Anevay isn't special, she justed listened to Sylvanas. Why not lean into that? Why have her be the Horde Champion as opposed to, like, a sassy barmaid that one night noticed Sylvanas was in a really bad way and offered to talk to her?

(The answer is because that the barmaid doesn't get to cut the heads off people Lily doesn't like.)

The other thing is of course her deflection: "Don't like? Don't read!"

It would be one thing if Lily were legitimately just writing for herself and Mikaila-- you know, having fun in a limited space. Writing out silly scenarios (or significant ones) in the privacy of her own home. Indulging in a fantasy and having fun with it. The difference is that she's posting it to a well-known public platform and advertising on her own platform and then getting angry when people don't respond in the numbers she wants. She specifically wants attention.

If she were just interested in sharing this with a small number of people, she'd find another way to do so-- set up a separate Tumblr and post the chapters there, or a little free website and post the chapters there, or (given the engagement rate on her personal Tumblr) just post the chapters directly there. But she WANTS attention. She threatened to stop writing ALL of her stories if she didn't get more attention. But it has to be a very specific kind of attention-- all praise, or all vapid 'oh I hate Anevay's mom!' or 'oh they're so cute!' She doesn't want actual critique, let alone criticism. The anon sending these Asks is doing a stellar job of remaining calm and making their point within the constrictions of an Ask box, and instead of taking any advice to heart it's all deflection and excuses, and when the logical writing excuses don't work she comes back to "I'm just having fun! Go away!"
Yeah, writing more than one character is super hard, let alone having readers keep track and care about them. Harry Potter? Lord of the Rings? Song of Ice and Fire? Who even cares about those, amiright?

Yeah, I get that ultimately it's a vapid, inane little power fantasy that Lily is writing to have some sense of control and importance in one of her favorite settings. It's not good, but it was never meant to be good or appeal to anyone but herself and those who willingly subject themselves to her dank corner of the fandom. I really shouldn't let it bother me, but it's such an egregious bastardization of a setting I care about that gets under my skin. Her responses to anon backlash doesn't help, she's just so fucking smug and self-absorbed with all her opinions, like how the banshee is completely and totally innocent of any of her actual real crimes, but Anduin is totally a rapist, and anyone that disagrees with her is a long list of long-exhausted adjectives.

I just wish she'd make good on her threat and not share her writing anymore. Or her opinions. Or anything at all, really.
 
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Because unlike every other fanfic author, Lily claims to be a good writer who writes legitimately good examples of strong female protagonists and denounces anything that she views as inferior writing. But the problem is her writing is actually terrible so it nullifies all of her criticisms.
Okay, I've seen Jerry and his fans use this deflection tactic numerous times. This is like the go-to for them to completely deflect criticism when they get stumped,

"W- Well, you wouldn't say that to anyone else! Why aren't you criticizing everyone else for this, why only criticize Lily for this??"

And here I'm going to give my take on why this tactic is terrible.

The use of this tactic extends across the pond too, not only for writing criticism but for his media takes and whatnot, as I've seen it applied there too, but I'm gonna focus on this tactic in the context of his writings, plus the rebuttal to this deflection should easily apply to other instances it's been used, with a few tweaks

You hit the nail on the head talking about how Jerry is harshly critical of other works while simultaneously touting his work as some pinnacle of storytelling - look how defensive he always gets of his works (and views), heck, he's even said that Sith Resurgence was a total rewrite of the sequels due to how much he hated Reylo bad he believed the trilogy to be. IIRC he's even used his own fanfics to show how to properly write some of Steven Universe's stories, or something along those lines, but I know for certain he's used his Mommydagio Equals Alicorns video to showcase how to properly use certain tropes, citing his own works (Stockholm ;)) as examples.

Back to the go-to tactic though, it's such a lazy deflection, because instead of actually addressing the argument, he shifts it back onto the person making it to... discredit them, I guess? It's not really discrediting them either, I suppose it's more just accusing them of arguing in bad faith so they look bad and biased when compared to Jerry and everyone else. Because they can't quite counter the tactic and are constantly hit with snide comebacks whenever they try to say anything else, I feel like the theoretical asker is kind of gaslit into believing they're wrong just because they don't criticize other people.

The truth is that nobody has the time or patience to read every fanfiction in the world and criticize all their authors, much less to seek out very specific instances of writers who make the same exact mistakes Jerry does with their writing. So Jerry keeps raising the bar to say "you can't even criticize me in the first place because you're not criticizing everyone else!" - not to mention he doesn't even say who these other people are.

I don't think it would be a stretch to say that most of the people reading Jerry's stories and sending him actual critiques based on, let's say, relationship dynamics, are fans of his who frequent his works. So it would make sense that they're only who typically directly send him criticisms, they're the ones who he's trying to entertain with his works, otherwise what's the point of writing them, talking about them at length with fans, and publishing them on AO3 for public consumption? lmfao

I suppose I should also mention that Jerry and his fans have no way of telling if an anonymous critic in Jerry's ask box has or has not sent similar criticisms to other writers (in other words this tactic is purely based on conjecture), and how that's a prime example of how Jerry feeds into his own persecution complex ("I'm the only one being criticized like this!"), but honestly I feel like that falls under some kind of whataboutery.

This tactic they use reminds me of a fallacy that Jerry made up a while ago,

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But kind of the inverse of what he's saying, instead of deflecting and changing the subject to Jerry, they're deflecting (or just simply dodging the question) and changing the subject to everyone else who may or may not be guilty of something similar. I kind of want to take this "But Lily" Argument and, like the accursed Q-slur, repurpose it to make it mean something else. I could do something like this,

"Because it's Lily" Argument - Responding to criticism or allegations by deflecting and changing the subject onto other individuals who are supposedly guilty of the same criticism or allegation. Accuses opponent of arguing in bad faith because Lily is the one making the argument ("You're only saying that because it's Lily!"). See Dodging the Question. Common tactic by Lily and all of Lily's fans. Former common tactic by Lizzy.

and utilize it whenever this deflection tactic is used. Just for fun.
 
Okay, I've seen Jerry and his fans use this deflection tactic numerous times. This is like the go-to for them to completely deflect criticism when they get stumped,

"W- Well, you wouldn't say that to anyone else! Why aren't you criticizing everyone else for this, why only criticize Lily for this??"

And here I'm going to give my take on why this tactic is terrible.

The use of this tactic extends across the pond too, not only for writing criticism but for his media takes and whatnot, as I've seen it applied there too, but I'm gonna focus on this tactic in the context of his writings, plus the rebuttal to this deflection should easily apply to other instances it's been used, with a few tweaks

You hit the nail on the head talking about how Jerry is harshly critical of other works while simultaneously touting his work as some pinnacle of storytelling - look how defensive he always gets of his works (and views), heck, he's even said that Sith Resurgence was a total rewrite of the sequels due to how much he hated Reylo bad he believed the trilogy to be. IIRC he's even used his own fanfics to show how to properly write some of Steven Universe's stories, or something along those lines, but I know for certain he's used his Mommydagio Equals Alicorns video to showcase how to properly use certain tropes, citing his own works (Stockholm ;)) as examples.

Back to the go-to tactic though, it's such a lazy deflection, because instead of actually addressing the argument, he shifts it back onto the person making it to... discredit them, I guess? It's not really discrediting them either, I suppose it's more just accusing them of arguing in bad faith so they look bad and biased when compared to Jerry and everyone else. Because they can't quite counter the tactic and are constantly hit with snide comebacks whenever they try to say anything else, I feel like the theoretical asker is kind of gaslit into believing they're wrong just because they don't criticize other people.

The truth is that nobody has the time or patience to read every fanfiction in the world and criticize all their authors, much less to seek out very specific instances of writers who make the same exact mistakes Jerry does with their writing. So Jerry keeps raising the bar to say "you can't even criticize me in the first place because you're not criticizing everyone else!" - not to mention he doesn't even say who these other people are.

I don't think it would be a stretch to say that most of the people reading Jerry's stories and sending him actual critiques based on, let's say, relationship dynamics, are fans of his who frequent his works. So it would make sense that they're only who typically directly send him criticisms, they're the ones who he's trying to entertain with his works, otherwise what's the point of writing them, talking about them at length with fans, and publishing them on AO3 for public consumption? lmfao

I suppose I should also mention that Jerry and his fans have no way of telling if an anonymous critic in Jerry's ask box has or has not sent similar criticisms to other writers (in other words this tactic is purely based on conjecture), and how that's a prime example of how Jerry feeds into his own persecution complex ("I'm the only one being criticized like this!"), but honestly I feel like that falls under some kind of whataboutery.

This tactic they use reminds me of a fallacy that Jerry made up a while ago,

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But kind of the inverse of what he's saying, instead of deflecting and changing the subject to Jerry, they're deflecting (or just simply dodging the question) and changing the subject to everyone else who may or may not be guilty of something similar. I kind of want to take this "But Lily" Argument and, like the accursed Q-slur, repurpose it to make it mean something else. I could do something like this,



and utilize it whenever this deflection tactic is used. Just for fun.
Another aspect of this is the fact that the arguments are tailored by Lily. She has the power to just not respond/publish anything she receives. She only responds to things she either is confident in disputing or has, in her estimation, a clever or snarky comment to make. I'm sure that there have been plenty of legitimate messages she hasn't been able to dispute that she can just ignore and pretend never happened. It's the ultimate tool for shaping a narrative: never putting yourself outside of a position that allows you to control what/how things are said. Compare how Lily talks on her own tumblr vs when she was on TVTropes as morpmorp. On tumblr she's harsher, much more authoritative, snarky and insulting. As morpmorp she doesn't have the same kind of power and has to talk much more carefully and in a roundabout way to avoid suspicion (which she's fucking awful at). It's still clear that it's her, but without her precious ability to forcefully control the narrative she's entirely impudent.

She absolutely does this intentionally, too. She knows that she'll immediately be called out on her bullshit anywhere else. It's why you never see her actually talk to anyone outside of her circle, on a video or in response to a written post. I remember a while ago she made a comment about how if any other Youtuber had a problem with her they should go through her professional e-mail instead of making a video about her, or whatever. But we all know that's a performative bullshit answer. She'd never be caught dead debating/talking to someone in an environment where she doesn't have final say on whatever is discussed.

She has a need to be a despot. No one else's opinion or voice can matter around her.
 
Okay, I've seen Jerry and his fans use this deflection tactic numerous times. This is like the go-to for them to completely deflect criticism when they get stumped,

"W- Well, you wouldn't say that to anyone else! Why aren't you criticizing everyone else for this, why only criticize Lily for this??"

And here I'm going to give my take on why this tactic is terrible.

The use of this tactic extends across the pond too, not only for writing criticism but for his media takes and whatnot, as I've seen it applied there too, but I'm gonna focus on this tactic in the context of his writings, plus the rebuttal to this deflection should easily apply to other instances it's been used, with a few tweaks

You hit the nail on the head talking about how Jerry is harshly critical of other works while simultaneously touting his work as some pinnacle of storytelling - look how defensive he always gets of his works (and views), heck, he's even said that Sith Resurgence was a total rewrite of the sequels due to how much he hated Reylo bad he believed the trilogy to be. IIRC he's even used his own fanfics to show how to properly write some of Steven Universe's stories, or something along those lines, but I know for certain he's used his Mommydagio Equals Alicorns video to showcase how to properly use certain tropes, citing his own works (Stockholm ;)) as examples.

Back to the go-to tactic though, it's such a lazy deflection, because instead of actually addressing the argument, he shifts it back onto the person making it to... discredit them, I guess? It's not really discrediting them either, I suppose it's more just accusing them of arguing in bad faith so they look bad and biased when compared to Jerry and everyone else. Because they can't quite counter the tactic and are constantly hit with snide comebacks whenever they try to say anything else, I feel like the theoretical asker is kind of gaslit into believing they're wrong just because they don't criticize other people.

The truth is that nobody has the time or patience to read every fanfiction in the world and criticize all their authors, much less to seek out very specific instances of writers who make the same exact mistakes Jerry does with their writing. So Jerry keeps raising the bar to say "you can't even criticize me in the first place because you're not criticizing everyone else!" - not to mention he doesn't even say who these other people are.

I don't think it would be a stretch to say that most of the people reading Jerry's stories and sending him actual critiques based on, let's say, relationship dynamics, are fans of his who frequent his works. So it would make sense that they're only who typically directly send him criticisms, they're the ones who he's trying to entertain with his works, otherwise what's the point of writing them, talking about them at length with fans, and publishing them on AO3 for public consumption? lmfao

I suppose I should also mention that Jerry and his fans have no way of telling if an anonymous critic in Jerry's ask box has or has not sent similar criticisms to other writers (in other words this tactic is purely based on conjecture), and how that's a prime example of how Jerry feeds into his own persecution complex ("I'm the only one being criticized like this!"), but honestly I feel like that falls under some kind of whataboutery.

This tactic they use reminds me of a fallacy that Jerry made up a while ago,

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But kind of the inverse of what he's saying, instead of deflecting and changing the subject to Jerry, they're deflecting (or just simply dodging the question) and changing the subject to everyone else who may or may not be guilty of something similar. I kind of want to take this "But Lily" Argument and, like the accursed Q-slur, repurpose it to make it mean something else. I could do something like this,



and utilize it whenever this deflection tactic is used. Just for fun.
Lily is guilty of most of those. She can never answer why Rebecca Sugar has made fascist content for one thing.
- Dodging the question
- Delusions
- "But Rebecca Sugar"
 
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well, it doesn’t work because you simultaneously want to argue that the story is just for fun and shouldn’t be taken seriously, but take the time to explain why it makes sense canonically with your interpretations of the lore

this is contradictory and makes it clear that you want the story to be taken seriously, but without receiving negative criticism

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Yeah I don't believe you, because if the codependent relationship were a problem the situation of the introduction of Bonnie would have to have more panic of Clily but she was extremely happy and even Lily says that it was what Clily needed at the moment and Bonnie never becomes the center an emotional problem for Clily.

and also if it was a nightmare, she shouldn't do this
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Lily says that if they were romantic with each other it would be a disaster, but codependency and emotional / moral limits only became a problem in arbitrary times, most of the time they are seen as positive traits even outside of comedy sketches
 
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Lily is guilty of most of those. She can never answer why Rebecca Sugar has made fascist content for one thing.
- Dodging the question
- Delusions
- "But Rebecca Sugar"
The list is actually much bigger, here's an image for your convenience

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I wanted to go over these back then and how he's guilty of some of them himself but honestly I didn't (and still don't) have the motivation to do so, as it would require a level of effort similar to the effort put into the OP I did tbh

I also noted before that he's guilty of gish galloping, which honestly is enough. Lmfao
 
Has Lily “ Goblin Jews” Orchard ever apologized for her anti Semitic comments?
No because there are Jewish people themselves that think that goblins are inherntly antisemitic, so I believe she's just going by that community logic

Also, I love how she points out "when I mess up, atleast I apoglize for it"

Yet, you still cancel people within your own group who apoglize aswell?
 
It's a good thing we got heroes like Lily around.
Making excuses and dodging criticism is the bare minimum apparently.
If that's the bare minimum, just about everyone on the internet is leagues ahead of you Lily. If you held yourself accountable this day long tirade of defensiveness and snide comebacks wouldn't have happened.

I don't even know how she can accept this scrap of praise when she so constantly shits in the hand that feeds her. She blames most of her mistakes and problems on her audience, and then has the gall to say that what she does is the bare minimum.

Someone who holds themselves accountable wouldn't need sock puppets and ass pats to cope from their every mistake.
 
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