Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

[homewayhalf]

Holy shit Joe is gonna knock up Mallory with his girldick. The “pregnant man” would bring him so much of the attention he craves.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Holy shit Joe is gonna knock up Mallory with his girldick. The “pregnant man” would bring him so much of the attention he craves.

No, that would give Mallory too much focus and attention.

But I could see Joe being one of those sickos who takes thousands of chemicals so he can force a baby to drink a few drops of his “milk” to prove what a true and honest woman he is.

Thank god he probably sterile from all the horse piss and breeding is too close to “sliding into mere heterosexuality” to appeal to them.

 

[3MMA]

I don’t think it’ll be StinkDitch 2021, as for the two, expensive, surgeries Joe supposedly has coming up.

That man loves his dick.

It’s gonna be a double bout of lipo, I’d put money on it.

I’ll have to eat my words when StinkDitch happens, of course.

If anything, he’d get an orchidectomy & lipo, or orchi & boobs. I’ve heard from reliable sources that after the orchidectomy, some troon’s can still get hard enough to penetrate.

I’d still put money on double helpings of lipo, first.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I don’t think it’ll be StinkDitch 2021, as for the two, expensive, surgeries Joe supposedly has coming up.

That man loves his dick.

It’s gonna be a double bout of lipo, I’d put money on it.

I’ll have to eat my words when StinkDitch happens, of course.

If anything, he’d get an orchidectomy & lipo, or orchi & boobs. I’ve heard from reliable sources that after the orchidectomy, some troon’s can still get hard enough to penetrate.

I’d still put money on double helpings of lipo, first.

He’s a pervy narc, so I’ll guess a boob job and lipo/facelift.

Given how haggard, bloated and melted he looks he’s probably hoping spending money on surgery will fix the fat middle aged alcoholic look he’s rocking. But I definitely think he wants a tit job given all his gross moob photos.

 

[Umaibae]

Reading those tweets makes my blood pressure go up. I can't explain why I hate it so much more than Joe's normal tweets. It's just the epitome of "I'm not touching you."


With a friend's kid Mallory's nephew:

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Solvang is a cool place, and I’m happy they had none of this trans cosplay bullshit.

 

[Constellationzero]

It’s strange to watch the entire LGBT community get co-opted by narcissists with severe personality disorders.

Who knew cross dressers could be such a toxic nightmare once they weren’t shamed into keeping their fetish private.

To be fair, it was always co-opted by narcs. Read any old issue of Curve or Out. They never gave a platform to people like Phyllis Lyon and Del Martin. The faces were always the worst and most degenerate examples of gaydom: Johnny Weir, Martina Navratlova, Lea DeLaria, Phrank...

The constant whining about muh ghey marriage and muh ghey rights, and month after month after month, the platform was given to serial daters/fuckers/AIDS spreaders, gheys and lesbians with eleventy palimony suits lobbed against them because they pretty much had to fuck everybody because...societehhh, domestic abusers, and pedophiles with arrest records. How could any relatively sane gay or lesbian compete with such fine examples held before our government?

Even without troons retconning Stonewall, Stonewall was bad ENOUGH. They just sashayed on in and re-wrote it to make it even more degenerate. It's like troons waltzed in, cut a huge fart, and walked back out of the room.

 

[OttoWest]

He’s a pervy narc, so I’ll guess a boob job and lipo/facelift.

Given how haggard, bloated and melted he looks he’s probably hoping spending money on surgery will fix the fat middle aged alcoholic look he’s rocking. But I definitely think he wants a tit job given all his gross moob photos.

I’m going with hairline lowering/hair transplant.

 

[Trianon]

Also here's a TERF write-up of Joe's latest talk, tweeted out by him: https://the-lies-they-tell.org/2021/03/27/grace-lavery-discusses-pleasure-and-efficacy-techniques-of-trans-feminist-criticism/ Includes the detail that the allergies are caused by his new dog, a thoroughly ill-looking purebred Japanese chin.

 

[Potatis Salad]

Also here's a TERF write-up of Joe's latest talk, tweeted out by him: https://the-lies-they-tell.org/2021/03/27/grace-lavery-discusses-pleasure-and-efficacy-techniques-of-trans-feminist-criticism/ Includes the detail that the allergies are caused by his new dog, a thoroughly ill-looking purebred Japanese chin.

The context of how he tweeted out this TERF blog entry:

The hypocrisy of spending whole days calling people "stupid," "idiot," "fraud," "dumbass," "worst people in the world," "viper," "motherfucker," "philistine," and then whining about it when a TERF laughs at his sneezes. "This is 'feminism' apparently," he snivels. No, you fucktard, it's not "feminism." It's just making fun of a MAN.

Joe's academic presentation sounded horrendous and the TERF wrote a lengthy takedown. She offered some feminist critiques, some general critiques, and one small aside about Joe's nasty horking sneezing fit. It wasn't all good (Joe isn't trying to hypnotize anyone ) but she clearly sat through the whole presentation and is genuinely engaging with his work.

Joe denies having any sock puppets. This is interesting. If the MrsGeorgeKaplan account isn't Joe, then it's someone intentionally aping him and doing a very good job. I think it is actually possible that it's an impostor.

That white knight tries to imply that Joe is not interested in Katie Herzog. Hilarious. Joe is obsessed with Katie Herzog.

In these dark days, there is one bright light in Joe's world:
Wait, the thing that gives him hope is his fucking grad students? Joe, who is a professor, never ever EVER mentions his students. All evidence points to the fact that he does not think about them and does not consider teaching and mentoring to be a priority in his life. His moobs, Twitter squabbles, jacking off to his own selfies, watching TV, shopping, his dogs...these are Joe's interests. Teaching is definitely not even in the top 10.

 

[Trianon]

I like that he has to mention that his students mostly completely disagree with him. Lmao.

At least the sock shows that Joe speaks like no living human if someone could confuse him for a Hitchcock character.

Joe trying to trans George Eliot is an ongoing crusade for him. His talk is basically projecting all his own issues onto women again.

 

[Constellationzero]

The context of how he tweeted out this TERF blog entry:
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The hypocrisy of spending whole days calling people "stupid," "idiot," "fraud," "dumbass," "worst people in the world," "viper," "motherfucker," "philistine," and then whining about it when a TERF laughs at his sneezes. "This is 'feminism' apparently," he snivels. No, you fucktard, it's not "feminism." It's just making fun of a MAN.

This alone should have gotten the attention of his department head, the Dean, Provost, and HR at his University because this shows how disturbingly unqualified an individual like this is to teach. It also shows how uncaring, irresponsible, and SADISTIC the university is with their gleeful willingness to employ a gravely mentally ill man and allow him unfettered access to students including vulnerable natal women.

When the idea of looking "progressive" has become far, FAR more important than doing the right thing...

 

[Potatis Salad]

Joe is an expert on 19th century British novels, so maybe GeorgeKaplan isn't him?

The account is currently unlocked if anyone wants to take a look.

 

[mrae]

I wondered if it was Mallory, doing her master's bidding, since it sort of reminded me of her writing voice. But I'm not sure either way.

 

[Trianon]

I wondered if it was Mallory, doing her master's bidding, since it sort of reminded me of her writing voice. But I'm not sure either way.

Good point. This is very much up Mallory's alley. Everything she's ever written is in the voice of some pop culture character.

 

[Greyfield]

It's funny how when you get passed the bullshit, they're the most boring couple imaginable. An abusive, domineering man has found a young woman to humiliate and control. Doesn't get more basic than that.

 

[Existential MD]

It's funny how when you get passed the bullshit, they're the most boring couple imaginable. An abusive, domineering man has found a young woman to humiliate and control. Doesn't get more basic than that.

It's sad, but if you look at the most ardent FtM troons they tend to be weak women with no sense of self. The AGPs are similar of course. But Mallory has given so much terrible advice to so many people I can't feel too bad for her.

The real victim in all this is Emily Yoffe imho

 

[Trianon]

Armchair psych time: Mallory is not a good advice columnist because she is all or nothing in her own life. She never established appropriate boundaries with her own family: they would give her tasks that she would forget about instead of saying "no" at the start (when she lost her sister's wedding dress, allegedly), and it was assumed that they would all help keep the secret that one or two of the family members were pedophiles. It was an environment that made Mallory more a part of a unit than her own person. So when shit does hit the fan, she cuts them off completely. When she thinks about being more masculine, she goes all the way. When she falls in love, she subsumes herself into the relationship. Her advice columns are full of wild suggestions like "quit your job as a prison librarian because prisons are immoral" or "don't worry if a janitor is stealing your food, he probably is poor and it would be rude to tell him no." The advice is always to give yourself up for someone else, become a vessel for the Cause, which is just a spin on "become a vessel for the family image."

 

[Norman B. Normal]

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Joe: Katie, please answer my affectedly polite sealioning question posed in bad faith?
Katie: Zing
Joe: KATIE HERZOG IS A COWARD AND A FRAUD because I thought I was being clever and she zinged me I'M NOT MAD YOU'RE MAD

Also here's a TERF write-up of Joe's latest talk, tweeted out by him: https://the-lies-they-tell.org/2021/03/27/grace-lavery-discusses-pleasure-and-efficacy-techniques-of-trans-feminist-criticism/ Includes the detail that the allergies are caused by his new dog, a thoroughly ill-looking purebred Japanese chin.

Hey, Joe finally has a chin!

 

[Frances Kiwi Farmer]

Wow, this thread is moving so fast now! Sorry for all the incoming l8:

Joe was a fan of The Toast and started corresponding with Mallory online. They eventually met irl because he wanted her to speak to one of his classes at Berkeley. I'm sure one of them has written about it in detail; I'll keep trying to find it.

Meanwhile, I found this (Archive) in Mallory's blog. It seems like the general consensus from elsewhere on the internet is that she was gay before trooning out, but she denies it:

..as you know, I was not a lesbian before I transitioned! ...I was a bisexual lady who wore a lot of Diane von Furstenberg wrap dresses. Nice DVF wrap dresses, that suited my shape and complemented my coloring!

My mind is still a little blown that Mallory isn't a lesbian. For years, she so clearly and intentionally cultivated her online public persona as a quirky semi-authority on lesbianism and her denial of it is pure gaslighting. You can tell she knows it, too, with her "I just don't know why everyone would think this weird thing!" tone and suggestion that her fondness for DvF wrap dresses clearly telegraphed her bisexuality to the world.

I'm not the kind of lesbian who feels the need to constantly dunk on bisexual women, but I'm doubting now that Mallory is actually into women at all. +1 for autoandrophilia, she's basically a fujo for William Shatner. My remaining sympathy for her -- which was largely based on the massive cognitive dissonance she, as a lesbian, must experience when she tries to convince herself that Joe is a pretty lady -- has evaporated.

This interview also talks about the Kirk stuff, and she gets into autoandrophilia.

+100 for autoandrophilia.

Found another pic from Joe's photo shoot. Incredibly, there was a professional stylist, hairstylist, and makeup artist on set to achieve this result:
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The photographer says (in the caption) that Joe wanted to look like an "edgy, dykey MILF." Ugh.

He doesn't look bad at all in that picture with the bleached blond hair and aviators. Trooning out is always going to make a guy look disgusting, but Joe has really deteriorated. Only three years later, his face flab has increased by a factor of ten.

Joe has been obsessed with describing himself as a "dyke MILF" lately, presumably as a way to cope with his molten appearance while further fabricating his "leading lady in a schlocky porno" lesbian persona. (I actually think that Joe is less delusional about his appearance as other MtFs, given that he's described himself as "melted" before. I think that, jowls aside, he mostly likes the way he looks now and thinks that once he gets FFS he's going to go from "hot edgy dyke MILF" --> "SUPER hot edgy femme.")

He fancies himself the titular character from the movie/book Carol who is, sure, MILF-esque, but I'm having a hard time imagining any actual lesbian describe herself as a MILF -- isn't that a pretty straight guy porn fantasy? Also, he so clearly gets off on saying "dyke" as often as he possibly can. It's the sweet taste of forbidden fruit to him, a word I'm sure he longed to say before he transitioned, but for the threat of social censure. Now he can say it all he wants and those fucking dykes can't even give him the hairy eyeball.

There are several layers of insanity to this. The fact that Joe thought he could get away with so blatantly mischaracterizing Singal's work is bizarre by itself. There are even more weird, obvious lies in the full Substack piece which I linked at the top of this post. Joe is not stupid; he knows that tons of people will do the work of trying to verify his lurid claims. I don't understand how and why he thought he was going to get away with this. Once called out, he then spent hours doubling and tripling down trying to insist he did nothing wrong. THEN his total short circuit, screaming about Glinner and calling Singal "stupid," "coward," "fool," "viper," etc.

One of my favorite things about Joe is his pathological inability to admit he is wrong, ever, even when it would benefit him to do so. Which is a pretty classically male maladaptive trait, imo. Like clockwork, whenever his ego is wounded by, say, Moonlit Piglet on Twitter dot com, his pretense of breezy condescension is immediately replaced with seething impotent rage -- only made better by the fact that Joe has failed to vampirize Mallory's wit (not for lack of trying) and so can only resort to name-calling when intellectually bested.

Stinkditch 2021!

I know earlier in this thread he complained that his FFS had been rescheduled due to covid, so surely that's one of the surgeries. I don't understand why he's going to get his face done when he can't even be bothered to get laser removal on his beard, but ok.

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Also here's a TERF write-up of Joe's latest talk, tweeted out by him: https://the-lies-they-tell.org/2021/03/27/grace-lavery-discusses-pleasure-and-efficacy-techniques-of-trans-feminist-criticism/ Includes the detail that the allergies are caused by his new dog, a thoroughly ill-looking purebred Japanese chin.

Whether the George Kaplan sock is Joe's or not (I could see it being Mallory), I love that this is what Joe is choosing to do with his sabbatical -- spending hours raging on Twitter, backstabbing Sady Doyle et al to post Substack screeds about Jesse Singal, and giving nonsense Zoom lectures to a handful of people. Time well spent.

 

[Trianon]

He fancies himself the titular character from the movie/book Carol

Fact-check: true. The fact that he desperately wants to sleep with moms is also a tell.

One of my favorite things about Joe is his pathological inability to admit he is wrong, ever, even when it would benefit him to do so. Which is a pretty classically male maladaptive trait, imo. Like clockwork, whenever his ego is wounded by, say, Moonlit Piglet on Twitter dot com, his pretense of breezy condescension is immediately replaced with seething impotent rage -- only made better by the fact that Joe has failed to vampirize Mallory's wit (not for lack of trying) and so can only resort to name-calling when intellectually bested.

Exhibit A:

Joe has been seething all day because TERFs are pushing back against his attempts to trans George Eliot, which, as I said, is an ongoing mission of his. He does this by defining "trans" in the most elastic possible way so it includes anyone who wants their writing to stand on its own without preconceptions. Eliot was pretty straightforwardly an ahead-of-her-time feminist who had a successful career as an editor and likely wanted to separate her novel writing from her daily life, especially since she had a lot of negative things to say about "women's novels," the 1800s' "chick lit." As Charlotte Bronte did before her, she probably just wanted to get out of the way of the words on the page and see if they would be well-received without worrying that she was being ignored or placated because she was a woman/or that her private life would overshadow the work. There are no cross-dressing episodes or secret letters or anything of the sort that would indicate George Eliot was anything other than a cool-sounding penname.

Joe argues that he is the only true Eliot whisperer who knows what she was really trying to say when she picked a name. No details on whether this makes nemesis Rowling trans as well.

Joe tries very hard to be breezily witty and cruel, just says a lot of words in a jumble.

I suspect the real reason Joe wants George Eliot as his own is because he cannot truly admire a woman unless he can become her, or turn her into himself.